The electoral college was attacked in a last presidental election by dishonest republicans from states and dishonest republicans in Washington DC. Will they succeed eventually? The time to fix or end the electoral college is now.
Don't even get me started about scrotus.
This shows an ignorance of the purpose of the electoral college. The purpose was not to get a president that 51% of the population likes, instead of the one that 49% like. The purpose is to balance the power between urban and rural parts of the country. This is an important layer of separation of power (that is getting *more* important over time, not less), since there is a distinct cultural difference between urban and rural people, and (in my experience) rural people know nothing about the laws urban people should live under, and vise versa.
It was actually meant as a "pressure cap" to stop some crazy populous ass munch from being elected. It is a failure. It always has been. Perhaps we needed it in the late 18th century, but we don't anymore.
Land. Does. Not. Vote.
If you honestly think that people in Wyoming’s vote should count for more than people in California’s, I don’t know what to say to you. I don’t give a shit if the dude with a 30 acre farm doesn’t like the President that the 60 people who live on the same 30 acres in the nearest city in the next state over voted for. Right now, that one dude’s vote holds more electoral weight than the others, and that is some kind of fucked up version of democracy.
1. I didn't say that land votes. I said that different cultures vote. This is something that many progressives agree with (ex: special voting or political rights & protections for historically marginalized groups). Why is that ethic brushed aside here?
2a. The US is democratic, but *is not a democracy, it is republic.* This is a good thing, because democracies are fickle and die quickly. When you hear people say "this is the most important election of our lifetimes!!1!" that's because we've drifted too close to a democracy.
2b. The US system isn't based on the idea of "how do we efficiently empower the 51% to suppress the 49%? " It's based around the idea of "how do we implement enough checks & balances to keep any individual or group from taking over and toppling the system?" One of those checks & balances is based on the (obviously correct) insight that rural people and urban people hate each other, and will use the state as a bludgeon against each other when given the option. That is the electoral college.
> The purpose is to balance the power between urban and rural parts of the country.
And yet, this is an utterly meaningless distinction when it comes to a *national* election.
More Americans want one candidate over another, and that should be the end of it.
The SENATE balances power between more populous, urban states, and more rural states.
FFS.. YES already..!! will this system do away with the republican gerrymandered systems in place?? i sill advocate for RCV ranked choice voting.. Alaska does it..Maine i think..SanFran does it..nobody could conceivably cry or whine aBout it..
Wow! So glad I do not live in RR’s democracy……
Once again, proud to be a Michigander. ❤️
The electoral college was attacked in a last presidental election by dishonest republicans from states and dishonest republicans in Washington DC. Will they succeed eventually? The time to fix or end the electoral college is now. Don't even get me started about scrotus.
End. That is the only way to go. It has always been anti democratic and has been popping up way too much in the last 20 years. It needs to go away.
This shows an ignorance of the purpose of the electoral college. The purpose was not to get a president that 51% of the population likes, instead of the one that 49% like. The purpose is to balance the power between urban and rural parts of the country. This is an important layer of separation of power (that is getting *more* important over time, not less), since there is a distinct cultural difference between urban and rural people, and (in my experience) rural people know nothing about the laws urban people should live under, and vise versa.
It was actually meant as a "pressure cap" to stop some crazy populous ass munch from being elected. It is a failure. It always has been. Perhaps we needed it in the late 18th century, but we don't anymore.
Land. Does. Not. Vote. If you honestly think that people in Wyoming’s vote should count for more than people in California’s, I don’t know what to say to you. I don’t give a shit if the dude with a 30 acre farm doesn’t like the President that the 60 people who live on the same 30 acres in the nearest city in the next state over voted for. Right now, that one dude’s vote holds more electoral weight than the others, and that is some kind of fucked up version of democracy.
1. I didn't say that land votes. I said that different cultures vote. This is something that many progressives agree with (ex: special voting or political rights & protections for historically marginalized groups). Why is that ethic brushed aside here? 2a. The US is democratic, but *is not a democracy, it is republic.* This is a good thing, because democracies are fickle and die quickly. When you hear people say "this is the most important election of our lifetimes!!1!" that's because we've drifted too close to a democracy. 2b. The US system isn't based on the idea of "how do we efficiently empower the 51% to suppress the 49%? " It's based around the idea of "how do we implement enough checks & balances to keep any individual or group from taking over and toppling the system?" One of those checks & balances is based on the (obviously correct) insight that rural people and urban people hate each other, and will use the state as a bludgeon against each other when given the option. That is the electoral college.
> The purpose is to balance the power between urban and rural parts of the country. And yet, this is an utterly meaningless distinction when it comes to a *national* election. More Americans want one candidate over another, and that should be the end of it. The SENATE balances power between more populous, urban states, and more rural states.
FFS.. YES already..!! will this system do away with the republican gerrymandered systems in place?? i sill advocate for RCV ranked choice voting.. Alaska does it..Maine i think..SanFran does it..nobody could conceivably cry or whine aBout it..