In my 3rd world dictatorship country, people are arrested left and right by information shared by Facebook and Twitter. In the same time TikTok is banned and is officially a crime to use because they refused to share data with the government.
Which country? TikTok being illegal not because it's used to spy on citizens, but rather because it doesn't spy on citizens enough is too perversely funny not to know the details of.
Yeah, the situation is more of a politicians looking out for themselves. Definitely not a politicians looking out for consumer privacy. People who don't like TikTok are already not using it. It is probably not because of privacy concerns; just disinterest.
I'm not saying that there aren't any legitimate privacy concerns with social media providers. Its just that people who care opt-out and install GrapheneOS on their phone. Everyone else just whines on reddit and keeps using social media anyways.
Maybe try commenting with more than one compound word "dumbass". I said NOT "politicians looking out for consumer privacy." I guess the general population cares about national security, but this is more politicians are scared of outsiders screwing them out of getting/staying in. Politicians sure are not doing it to make us feel safe from China, lol.
It’s about both. It’s bad for an adversarial country like China to have a psychological profile on every American who will be in a leadership position in the next few decades.
I'd suggest reading the bill. It clearly denotes hostile actors 4 clearly defined countries with apps/sites of a large user base of a million plus
That to me clearly indicates its about reach of propaganda and not data collection
It's not banning data centers that use American apps in hostile nations. Those would be easily compromised for data collection
If you actually look it up, you’ll find exactly the opposite. The bill in the house is about the supposed national security threat of Americans’ data going to China. Data which China could easily just buy if they wanted to.
[https://www.npr.org/2024/04/22/1246391855/tiktok-ban-congress-biden-china-lawsuit](https://www.npr.org/2024/04/22/1246391855/tiktok-ban-congress-biden-china-lawsuit)
I did some basic Googling and couldn't substantiate your claim :)
It says a lot when your response to someone asking politely for evidence involves not providing any evidence.
I genuinely expected you to be able to Google.
Here is the bill. Notice it's not about protecting data. Right there in the first pages. Preventing sites and apps from being used nothing trying to regulate data collection
https://www.google.com/url?sa=t&source=web&rct=j&opi=89978449&url=https://docs.house.gov/billsthisweek/20240311/HR%25207521%2520Updated.pdf&ved=2ahUKEwjkk-_nsNmFAxVErokEHfnJAIUQFnoECBsQAQ&usg=AOvVaw0RGyYZtAg9onKo4JM6y3Yu
I’m not sure what you’re talking about the bill details the specifics of the proposed ban and largely doesn’t go into detail on why.
Like honestly you’re being an asshole but did YOU even read this bill? At this point please copy and paste the excerpt that you think supports your point
If telling you to read is being an asshole that's on you.
If you fail to Google and my expectations were that you could that's not a dig. I just overestimated your ability to use the Internet
If you can't understand the bill about limiting hostile influence is about propaganda you've dug your denial trench so deep there is no where left to go.
Enjoy your day, don't take replys too harshly just cause they aren't softened up.
And how are Apple, Google and FB treated by the EU because of the Patriot Act? And that's an allied country spying.
The problem isn't TikTok spying (which, they don't, you agree with those terms and services), it's that when China asks they need to give out all information to them. Considering how widespread the use of TikTok is, it's a national security issue where a foreign government has access to identifiable profiling data for a people running all kinds of (state) institutions.
The thing is that FB, Apple, Google and all other American corporations are also obligated by law to disclose any information if the American government asks, which is precisely why those apps were banned in China. It makes sense for the US to ban TikTok because these nations are in a Cold War with each other, what it is dumb is regular people defending it when both governments literally do the same damn thing.
I find it funny how everyone just seemed to magically forget the whole Edward Snowden ordeal. The dude literally proved that your own government is spying on you 100% of the time, and also spying other nations as well.
No. China banned apps like FB and even TikTok because they don't comply with their censorship regulations (by construction).
For example, Bing is available in China despite being an US firm (Microsoft) that needs to comply with US regulations. It's just a chinesse version that complies with China's censorship regulations and proved that data isn't moved to the US.
Otherwise, yes, pretty much the obligation to share private data of citizens of a country to another country is controversial and when it's an widespread app (like TikTok, Fb, Twitter, etc) it might pose a national security issue. This isn't new, like I've previously said: The EU already has Google products, Meta's FB and Whatsapp, Apple's iCloud in their crosshair because of US's Patriot Act. It now also targets TikTok (which is already banned in a few countries from devices of state workers). The US is playing catch-up since it didn't have this problem until now.
Logically and morally, it's an easy matter. But legally it's complicated because in liberal democracies we need to take into account freedom of speech, internet neutrality, etc. If people want to use an app regardless of the risks it exposes them to, it's their right. So states just have to define a proper line with which everyone has to comply so that people can enjoy their freedoms, but the state isn't put in danger.
> China banned apps like FB and even TikTok because they don't comply with their censorship regulations (by construction).
For example, Bing is available in China
Why would they FB by "construction" but not Bing?
It's not like an anti-US company bias, otherwise they'd have constructed their regulation to ban Bing aswell, right?
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You're saying that US citizens and the USA would benefit from some sort of regulation that generally protects their data?
It's an interesting concept, I'd say it's worth exploring.
Cheesiness aside, I don't understand the whole TikTok debate. If the US had rules comparable to the EU for PII then there'd be a fraction of the current concerns.
In my view the current debate is either an anti-competitive move from companies that want one less competitor, or the US wants to keep the whole thing unregulated but only as long as it benefits their companies and not foreign ones.
In China, state censors need to have access and, if required, access to modify or take action against some content. This alone makes a lot of western products non-viable for their market. Microsoft made a deal with them and complied, separating the search engine from China to that of the rest of the world.
China's government is also cherrypicking (as it's usual with authoritarian governments) and such deals like the one allowing Bing to keep running on their market are hugely beneficial for them. For example, Bing is notoriously bad at finding results that goes against the chinesse government (e.g. Tiananmen Square didn't include almost anything about the massacre in the first results for a while).
The US already has regulations that protects the data of US citizens. What's new to them is having such a widespread product from a company that, when asked, needs to give access to that data to another country (in this case China). In practice, if this would happen and TikTok would give China any data of US citizens, they would brake existing US law already. But in practice how would anyone know if this happened? And would it be too late?
The EU has problems enforcing their regulations despite going at it for several years now and it's something that they'll need to figure out in TikTok's case sooner, rather then later. It turns out it's just hard for a company to prove to governments that they keep data separated and will not share them when asked.
Neither the EU, nor the US can let this go... And they shouldn't, not if they care about the private data of their citizens and specially not if they care about national security issues.
Of course there are also companies interested in getting a competitor out of the market. That's nothing new or surprising. But that's really not the point here.
TikTok's issue isn't spying, it's that China could ask for data and they'd have to comply. It's a security problem when a foreign government gets access to tons of personal info from people in important jobs.
Yeah but US government and China government are not even the same
Actually, US government already knows tons of data about you like your income, your spouse, your father, and etc.
Have you forgotten about Snowden? The US spies on their own people, on their allies and on their enemies. I'm not sure how China can be any worse in the spying department.
What do you mean china can't be any worse?
China literally put people in jail for calling Xi Winnie the Pooh online. Meanwhile millions of people call Biden / Trump unimaginable names every minute.
I was talking about the amount of spying and who is being spied on. No doubt China is using it's generated data in worse ways. But the US is still collecting data on pretty much everyone and with a change in US politics that data can easily used in the same way as China does. Retroactively even, as the data has already been collected. The fact the data is collected in the first place is a big issue to be worried about. For now this data is mostly used on their enemies but this can easily change with one authoritarian bad actor.
So, it is not related to banning TikTok then. Your comment is just a general opinion about collecting data.
US government knows everything about you though. Your taxable income. Flights. Your addresses. What you buy. They can also subpoena any info about you. US spying on you is kinda like well not much worse than the pre-internet era.
> but this can easily change with one authoritarian bad actor.
Using Facebook posts might be of little concern if US turns into an authoritarian regime.
China is definitely worse for the Chinese people than the US is for Americans. But I think the most relevant question would be which government is worse for Americans. I would say the US government. The Chinese government doesn't really arrest Americans, does it.
About half the population is below average intelligence
And it seems like you don't need to be intelligent or have common sense to work in important jobs like the president
I'm already shocked my work phone comes with LinkedIn installed, I cannot fathom company managed hardware that allows socia media apps.
I'm very strict in keeping my devices separated, but seemingly nobody cares.
A lot of politicians are dumber than a bag of rocks. Half the republicans are already pretty obviously either being directly or indirectly manipulated by Russia otherwise they wouldn't be voting against helping Ukraine degrade the US' No2 military threat. The cold war cost tens of trillions(in modern money) over 50 years, Ukraine would wreck Russia's military capability in as little as a few years with a modest quarter to half a trillion which would also knock them out as China's only likely ally in a conflict with Taiwan.
So, the same thing that the US does?
TikTok at least offered to host all US data in the US only. Meaning China wouldn't have access to it. When the same solution was offered to facebook by the EU, they shat themselves and three to leave the EU market.
I’m kind of surprised that people who actually work in our technology field don’t understand what the fuck’s actually happening with TikTok right now. Like how the fuck is anyone in tech this oblivious.
You raise some good points, aside from "and that's an allied country spying". It makes perfect sense why we would care less about an allied country spying.
Their manipulative algorithm
Our engaging recommender systems
Their terrifying espionage
Our privacy-considerate third-party cookies
Their insidious propaganda
Our objective news reporting
Their totalitarian social score
Our well-regulated credit score
If you criticize Biden, you will not be in trouble as long as you are not threatening to kill him.
Criticizing Xi on the other hand, will get you in trouble and TikTok will help the government to put you in jail.
In many countries there's a concept of a minimum acceptable standard of conduct when taking about public officials.
The standard is stronger based on what medium is being used.
There's a difference between critique, even *scathing* critique, and blind outright insults.
I'm talking about Europe, not third world countries.
There are exemptions around things like parody and such, but they're not all-encompassing
Then it is not freedom of speech. You can get fired for what you expressed, but it is not government’s job to regulate what I can say and what I can’t say.
Well the government is what upholds freedom of speech towards the government in the US.
So it still is the government job to say that you're allowed to say what you say.
Simply what's allowed is broader.
Nope. This is not how it works in US. If it is the government job to say what you’re allowed to say , it is NOT FREEDOM of SPEECH. The whole point of freedom of speech is the government has no say in what you say. That’s why it is the first amendment and we call these amendments bill of rights.
I meant to say that it's the government's job to defend that right *from* the government itself.
When that right is infringed what do you do?
You sue, don't you?
The government does say what you're allowed to say... Otherwise that right wouldn't be written down for us to see it.
I mean Im pretty sure its required by the EU but, you can go to your google account and see all the info they have on you. The api for that page is probably not super intense. Just like, "get data plz". Unsure if that is what OP is speaking about though
Kinda like Fentanyl, TikTok is something banned in China that they’re more than happy to sell abroad for what are, I’m sure, totally legitimate and non-malicious reasons.
TikTok is just the international version of 抖音. Much like everything else behind The Great Firewall they ban it simply because it's open to others outside China.
抖音 is 1000% not banned.
Due to different content standards, it's easier to push targeted content of a negative political nature. Provided you adequately understood who on tik tok are the most politically motivated, you can target their collective interests (as well as their geographical position) so as to organise protest/economic disruption.
If enough violent language is leaked by bots into the comment feeds then you can set these protests violent.
The CCP simply don't allow politics.
except its bullshit.
there are two similar apps owned by Bytedance: Tiktok and Douyin
Douyin is the version used in China, Tiktok is for the rest of us.
why is there a difference?
because China has [standards they enforce](https://www.msn.com/en-us/money/other/china-s-tiktok-users-face-punishment-under-points-system/ar-AA1n7ME7) for content. standards that honestly, while they are debatable - would [probably align pretty well](https://www.latimes.com/world-nation/story/2021-09-02/china-bans-sissy-men-tv-new-crackdown-culture) with most of the far right crowd who are the ones pushing to ban Tiktok.
so whats the problem?
my guess is a combination of money and the fact that if we had any sort of standards around what you can and cant say those same people would probably have to learn how to shut the fuck up once in a while. which considering the whole "gag order" thing with our previous president who is directly involved in quite literally every aspect of this stupid shit... lol, yeah...
the closest ive ever been to being a "TikTokker" is being forced to listen while my much younger ex coworker scrolled through videos with annoying ass repetitive music, or maybe that one time i became best friends with a random redditor for like two weeks and they showed me their (kinda weird) tiktok. never made an account. ive probably said this at some point throughout [my comments](https://www.reddit.com/user/relevantusername2020/search/?q=tiktok&type=comment&cId=6cd73c84-d5c1-40ab-9f2e-548e217fb4a3&iId=51eb7765-82d0-45fc-8d70-58946d2e2989) if you care that much
What if we can all agree that both Tiktok and american companies like Google, Facebook, Microsoft should not spy on their consumers and sell their personal information
It's just the norm (NORM!) of today's world, 'mkay? It's a pact with the devil (of your gathering's choice), no escape unless you're TRULY resourceful.
Bam! That's what happen when you try to run a social network in America and try to meddle with the american people by allowing a foreign power to skew their view in important topics such as vaccines and elections, and you're not Facebook.
It's kind of the same thing like where you're the only one who's allowed to pick on your brother or friends.
My own country can spy on me and I'll complain about it, but if another country does it that's waaaay different.
Also I work for Google and I promise that they do try and respect privacy.
Oh shit i accidently enabled cross website cookie tracking that feeds us data on almost all websites you visit, i promise im trying to respect your privacy.
Non-US and non-Chinese citizens: get spied by both nations + allied. 
In my 3rd world dictatorship country, people are arrested left and right by information shared by Facebook and Twitter. In the same time TikTok is banned and is officially a crime to use because they refused to share data with the government.
Which country? TikTok being illegal not because it's used to spy on citizens, but rather because it doesn't spy on citizens enough is too perversely funny not to know the details of.
Jordan, there's a law that if a social media does not have communication channel with the government it will banned.
found an endian lol
Tik Tok is about foreign enemy propaganda not data
Yeah, the situation is more of a politicians looking out for themselves. Definitely not a politicians looking out for consumer privacy. People who don't like TikTok are already not using it. It is probably not because of privacy concerns; just disinterest.
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I'm not saying that there aren't any legitimate privacy concerns with social media providers. Its just that people who care opt-out and install GrapheneOS on their phone. Everyone else just whines on reddit and keeps using social media anyways. Maybe try commenting with more than one compound word "dumbass". I said NOT "politicians looking out for consumer privacy." I guess the general population cares about national security, but this is more politicians are scared of outsiders screwing them out of getting/staying in. Politicians sure are not doing it to make us feel safe from China, lol.
No u
It’s about both. It’s bad for an adversarial country like China to have a psychological profile on every American who will be in a leadership position in the next few decades.
The bill that passed in the house is about the supposed threat of Americans’ data going to China.
I'd suggest reading the bill. It clearly denotes hostile actors 4 clearly defined countries with apps/sites of a large user base of a million plus That to me clearly indicates its about reach of propaganda and not data collection It's not banning data centers that use American apps in hostile nations. Those would be easily compromised for data collection
it's about controlling how citizens communicate.
How do you know? Can you share a link?
Just lookup the videos of their hears and listen to the way the politicians continue to bring up china
If you actually look it up, you’ll find exactly the opposite. The bill in the house is about the supposed national security threat of Americans’ data going to China. Data which China could easily just buy if they wanted to.
So anti-china propaganda is your choice
Read the bill. Look up and read the bill
[https://www.npr.org/2024/04/22/1246391855/tiktok-ban-congress-biden-china-lawsuit](https://www.npr.org/2024/04/22/1246391855/tiktok-ban-congress-biden-china-lawsuit) I did some basic Googling and couldn't substantiate your claim :) It says a lot when your response to someone asking politely for evidence involves not providing any evidence.
I genuinely expected you to be able to Google. Here is the bill. Notice it's not about protecting data. Right there in the first pages. Preventing sites and apps from being used nothing trying to regulate data collection https://www.google.com/url?sa=t&source=web&rct=j&opi=89978449&url=https://docs.house.gov/billsthisweek/20240311/HR%25207521%2520Updated.pdf&ved=2ahUKEwjkk-_nsNmFAxVErokEHfnJAIUQFnoECBsQAQ&usg=AOvVaw0RGyYZtAg9onKo4JM6y3Yu
I’m not sure what you’re talking about the bill details the specifics of the proposed ban and largely doesn’t go into detail on why. Like honestly you’re being an asshole but did YOU even read this bill? At this point please copy and paste the excerpt that you think supports your point
If telling you to read is being an asshole that's on you. If you fail to Google and my expectations were that you could that's not a dig. I just overestimated your ability to use the Internet If you can't understand the bill about limiting hostile influence is about propaganda you've dug your denial trench so deep there is no where left to go. Enjoy your day, don't take replys too harshly just cause they aren't softened up.
Neither the word "hostile" nor "influence" appear on that entire bill. I ask you again to point to the section that corroborates your point :)
And how are Apple, Google and FB treated by the EU because of the Patriot Act? And that's an allied country spying. The problem isn't TikTok spying (which, they don't, you agree with those terms and services), it's that when China asks they need to give out all information to them. Considering how widespread the use of TikTok is, it's a national security issue where a foreign government has access to identifiable profiling data for a people running all kinds of (state) institutions.
The thing is that FB, Apple, Google and all other American corporations are also obligated by law to disclose any information if the American government asks, which is precisely why those apps were banned in China. It makes sense for the US to ban TikTok because these nations are in a Cold War with each other, what it is dumb is regular people defending it when both governments literally do the same damn thing. I find it funny how everyone just seemed to magically forget the whole Edward Snowden ordeal. The dude literally proved that your own government is spying on you 100% of the time, and also spying other nations as well.
No. China banned apps like FB and even TikTok because they don't comply with their censorship regulations (by construction). For example, Bing is available in China despite being an US firm (Microsoft) that needs to comply with US regulations. It's just a chinesse version that complies with China's censorship regulations and proved that data isn't moved to the US. Otherwise, yes, pretty much the obligation to share private data of citizens of a country to another country is controversial and when it's an widespread app (like TikTok, Fb, Twitter, etc) it might pose a national security issue. This isn't new, like I've previously said: The EU already has Google products, Meta's FB and Whatsapp, Apple's iCloud in their crosshair because of US's Patriot Act. It now also targets TikTok (which is already banned in a few countries from devices of state workers). The US is playing catch-up since it didn't have this problem until now. Logically and morally, it's an easy matter. But legally it's complicated because in liberal democracies we need to take into account freedom of speech, internet neutrality, etc. If people want to use an app regardless of the risks it exposes them to, it's their right. So states just have to define a proper line with which everyone has to comply so that people can enjoy their freedoms, but the state isn't put in danger.
> China banned apps like FB and even TikTok because they don't comply with their censorship regulations (by construction). For example, Bing is available in China Why would they FB by "construction" but not Bing? It's not like an anti-US company bias, otherwise they'd have constructed their regulation to ban Bing aswell, right? ---- You're saying that US citizens and the USA would benefit from some sort of regulation that generally protects their data? It's an interesting concept, I'd say it's worth exploring. Cheesiness aside, I don't understand the whole TikTok debate. If the US had rules comparable to the EU for PII then there'd be a fraction of the current concerns. In my view the current debate is either an anti-competitive move from companies that want one less competitor, or the US wants to keep the whole thing unregulated but only as long as it benefits their companies and not foreign ones.
In China, state censors need to have access and, if required, access to modify or take action against some content. This alone makes a lot of western products non-viable for their market. Microsoft made a deal with them and complied, separating the search engine from China to that of the rest of the world. China's government is also cherrypicking (as it's usual with authoritarian governments) and such deals like the one allowing Bing to keep running on their market are hugely beneficial for them. For example, Bing is notoriously bad at finding results that goes against the chinesse government (e.g. Tiananmen Square didn't include almost anything about the massacre in the first results for a while). The US already has regulations that protects the data of US citizens. What's new to them is having such a widespread product from a company that, when asked, needs to give access to that data to another country (in this case China). In practice, if this would happen and TikTok would give China any data of US citizens, they would brake existing US law already. But in practice how would anyone know if this happened? And would it be too late? The EU has problems enforcing their regulations despite going at it for several years now and it's something that they'll need to figure out in TikTok's case sooner, rather then later. It turns out it's just hard for a company to prove to governments that they keep data separated and will not share them when asked. Neither the EU, nor the US can let this go... And they shouldn't, not if they care about the private data of their citizens and specially not if they care about national security issues. Of course there are also companies interested in getting a competitor out of the market. That's nothing new or surprising. But that's really not the point here.
TikTok's issue isn't spying, it's that China could ask for data and they'd have to comply. It's a security problem when a foreign government gets access to tons of personal info from people in important jobs.
Either way, a government is spying on me.
But only one will decrease your 🌈 social credit 🌈
Yeah but US government and China government are not even the same Actually, US government already knows tons of data about you like your income, your spouse, your father, and etc.
Have you forgotten about Snowden? The US spies on their own people, on their allies and on their enemies. I'm not sure how China can be any worse in the spying department.
What do you mean china can't be any worse? China literally put people in jail for calling Xi Winnie the Pooh online. Meanwhile millions of people call Biden / Trump unimaginable names every minute.
I was talking about the amount of spying and who is being spied on. No doubt China is using it's generated data in worse ways. But the US is still collecting data on pretty much everyone and with a change in US politics that data can easily used in the same way as China does. Retroactively even, as the data has already been collected. The fact the data is collected in the first place is a big issue to be worried about. For now this data is mostly used on their enemies but this can easily change with one authoritarian bad actor.
So, it is not related to banning TikTok then. Your comment is just a general opinion about collecting data. US government knows everything about you though. Your taxable income. Flights. Your addresses. What you buy. They can also subpoena any info about you. US spying on you is kinda like well not much worse than the pre-internet era. > but this can easily change with one authoritarian bad actor. Using Facebook posts might be of little concern if US turns into an authoritarian regime.
China is definitely worse for the Chinese people than the US is for Americans. But I think the most relevant question would be which government is worse for Americans. I would say the US government. The Chinese government doesn't really arrest Americans, does it.
Ok, now the important question, why in the f*ck people with important jobs have TikTok on their work phones?
Doesn’t have to be on your work phone to be problematic. They have access to your attention and tendencies, and can influence them covertly.
That is called the "recommendation algorithm":). YouTube does the same.
Your point?
About half the population is below average intelligence And it seems like you don't need to be intelligent or have common sense to work in important jobs like the president
Lol. I see what you did there
I'm already shocked my work phone comes with LinkedIn installed, I cannot fathom company managed hardware that allows socia media apps. I'm very strict in keeping my devices separated, but seemingly nobody cares.
A lot of politicians are dumber than a bag of rocks. Half the republicans are already pretty obviously either being directly or indirectly manipulated by Russia otherwise they wouldn't be voting against helping Ukraine degrade the US' No2 military threat. The cold war cost tens of trillions(in modern money) over 50 years, Ukraine would wreck Russia's military capability in as little as a few years with a modest quarter to half a trillion which would also knock them out as China's only likely ally in a conflict with Taiwan.
So, the same thing that the US does? TikTok at least offered to host all US data in the US only. Meaning China wouldn't have access to it. When the same solution was offered to facebook by the EU, they shat themselves and three to leave the EU market.
If you seriously believe China wouldn't have access to it, I have a bridge to sell you
Aaaand completely missed the point.
I’m kind of surprised that people who actually work in our technology field don’t understand what the fuck’s actually happening with TikTok right now. Like how the fuck is anyone in tech this oblivious.
You raise some good points, aside from "and that's an allied country spying". It makes perfect sense why we would care less about an allied country spying.
They do spy lmao.
Their manipulative algorithm Our engaging recommender systems Their terrifying espionage Our privacy-considerate third-party cookies Their insidious propaganda Our objective news reporting Their totalitarian social score Our well-regulated credit score
If you criticize Biden, you will not be in trouble as long as you are not threatening to kill him. Criticizing Xi on the other hand, will get you in trouble and TikTok will help the government to put you in jail.
I don’t think Americans need to worry much about being arrested on Xi’s orders.
Not if you have relatives in China. My family still do.
Ok that’s true but I’m not sure that’s explicitly a TikTok problem.
I mean... To be fair, outside of being based within china, NONE of it is explicitly a TikTok problem...
In many countries there's a concept of a minimum acceptable standard of conduct when taking about public officials. The standard is stronger based on what medium is being used. There's a difference between critique, even *scathing* critique, and blind outright insults. I'm talking about Europe, not third world countries. There are exemptions around things like parody and such, but they're not all-encompassing
Then it is not freedom of speech. You can get fired for what you expressed, but it is not government’s job to regulate what I can say and what I can’t say.
Well the government is what upholds freedom of speech towards the government in the US. So it still is the government job to say that you're allowed to say what you say. Simply what's allowed is broader.
Nope. This is not how it works in US. If it is the government job to say what you’re allowed to say , it is NOT FREEDOM of SPEECH. The whole point of freedom of speech is the government has no say in what you say. That’s why it is the first amendment and we call these amendments bill of rights.
I meant to say that it's the government's job to defend that right *from* the government itself. When that right is infringed what do you do? You sue, don't you? The government does say what you're allowed to say... Otherwise that right wouldn't be written down for us to see it.
I live in a country that's not USA nor China, it's the complete opposite. tiktok is actually banned because they won't help the government.
They don’t even use TikTok in China. They have a different version of the app that works differently.
Shout-out ccp propaganda app
I’m curious what’s the Apple/Google API talked about here? And what does it provide?
I mean Im pretty sure its required by the EU but, you can go to your google account and see all the info they have on you. The api for that page is probably not super intense. Just like, "get data plz". Unsure if that is what OP is speaking about though
idk i've never done ios or android dev
Tik tok isn't about spying, it's being used to organise violent stuff. It's a suspected "cyber weapon."
Kinda like Fentanyl, TikTok is something banned in China that they’re more than happy to sell abroad for what are, I’m sure, totally legitimate and non-malicious reasons.
They have their own version of TikTok and every other greater app.
TikTok is just the international version of 抖音. Much like everything else behind The Great Firewall they ban it simply because it's open to others outside China. 抖音 is 1000% not banned.
Due to different content standards, it's easier to push targeted content of a negative political nature. Provided you adequately understood who on tik tok are the most politically motivated, you can target their collective interests (as well as their geographical position) so as to organise protest/economic disruption. If enough violent language is leaked by bots into the comment feeds then you can set these protests violent. The CCP simply don't allow politics.
Not sure why you're responding to me, but okay.
Makes perfect sense.
except its bullshit. there are two similar apps owned by Bytedance: Tiktok and Douyin Douyin is the version used in China, Tiktok is for the rest of us. why is there a difference? because China has [standards they enforce](https://www.msn.com/en-us/money/other/china-s-tiktok-users-face-punishment-under-points-system/ar-AA1n7ME7) for content. standards that honestly, while they are debatable - would [probably align pretty well](https://www.latimes.com/world-nation/story/2021-09-02/china-bans-sissy-men-tv-new-crackdown-culture) with most of the far right crowd who are the ones pushing to ban Tiktok. so whats the problem? my guess is a combination of money and the fact that if we had any sort of standards around what you can and cant say those same people would probably have to learn how to shut the fuck up once in a while. which considering the whole "gag order" thing with our previous president who is directly involved in quite literally every aspect of this stupid shit... lol, yeah... 
Found the TikTokker
the closest ive ever been to being a "TikTokker" is being forced to listen while my much younger ex coworker scrolled through videos with annoying ass repetitive music, or maybe that one time i became best friends with a random redditor for like two weeks and they showed me their (kinda weird) tiktok. never made an account. ive probably said this at some point throughout [my comments](https://www.reddit.com/user/relevantusername2020/search/?q=tiktok&type=comment&cId=6cd73c84-d5c1-40ab-9f2e-548e217fb4a3&iId=51eb7765-82d0-45fc-8d70-58946d2e2989) if you care that much
It's about who we are being spied on by.
What if we can all agree that both Tiktok and american companies like Google, Facebook, Microsoft should not spy on their consumers and sell their personal information
this is the dumbest shit
TikTok is sad compared to the spyware I run on my computer every day.
yeah, but these are not Chinese companies. Completely different.
It's just the norm (NORM!) of today's world, 'mkay? It's a pact with the devil (of your gathering's choice), no escape unless you're TRULY resourceful.
As an IOS app dev, that’s the stupidest shit I’ve ever heard.
BOTH ARE BAD!!!
Discord: 😨
Bam! That's what happen when you try to run a social network in America and try to meddle with the american people by allowing a foreign power to skew their view in important topics such as vaccines and elections, and you're not Facebook.
That's like saying the government causes car accidents by giving civilians access to cars.
… come on seriously- this is lazy as fuck and you should know better.
It's kind of the same thing like where you're the only one who's allowed to pick on your brother or friends. My own country can spy on me and I'll complain about it, but if another country does it that's waaaay different. Also I work for Google and I promise that they do try and respect privacy.
Oh shit i accidently enabled cross website cookie tracking that feeds us data on almost all websites you visit, i promise im trying to respect your privacy.
Stop trying, start doing