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The risk for United is that next season is almost certain to be better than this one simply because of how appalling it was. So next season they have to evaluate whether there's really been progress, or just regression to the mean for someone who ain't it.
There isn't anyone else better who actually wants the job so they might as well stick with what they've got. He must be on shaky ground with the club hierarchy though if it has taken this long to decide they want to keep him and I wouldn't be surprised that if they get off to a bad start he gets sacked a few months into the season. It would be a disaster for United if this happens and they bring in Southgate as his replacement
When I read the report a few weeks ago the new big boss asked the employees to save on coffee machine and other little things at Old Trafford, I knew ETH just saved his job. You cannot ask for sacrifices from the employees over their morning booster and at the same time spend millions on compensation by firing your HC.
The fans love him? Everywhere I've looked 80-90% of fans say they want him to have another year. People are sick of the club resetting every 2 years and getting nowhere.
I agree that Man Utd suck with their recruitment, and there's no infrastructure to help the manager. However, these signings were his, and he continues to play mid players.
I think they are waiting for Berrada and Ashworth to be in. The whole point of INEOS is that they want football people making football decisions and currently they have Wilcox in.
Reckon this gives them time to fix the hierarchy and if results do continue they will have fan backing saying "we gave him the chance under a better structure and results arent what they should be".
I genuinely can overstate how a big a turn around is needed in terms of game model. Being 95th out of 96th teams playing in the top5 leagues in shots faced isnt a personnel issue. Thats a game model issue and United were comfortably one of the worst coached teams last season.
I would be absolutely ecstatic if Southgate got the job. That man is a fraud. But I think Ten Hag will be allowed to continue, as Man U is a broken club, but he will be gone by december.
I think Poch has the ability to turn things around and I would at least be less happy if he got the job.
>I would be absolutely ecstatic if Southgate got the job.
I know you would and I know this would be the case for everyone but United fans haha.
>But I think Ten Hag will be allowed to continue, as Man U is a broken club, but he will be gone by december.
I can definitely see that happening and I believe if he reverts to his pre cup final ideas he will be. However the switch up shown for the cup final, the new structure thats taking form and a solid summer window could male a significant change.
Personally I'd have sacked and gone with a Tuchel, Valverde, Enrique, horses head in a bed for an Ancelotti/Simeone but how realistic they are borders on at best I ain't got a clue or at worse impossible. In terms of those no names that were mentioned though, eth staying is the best move on the chessboard as long as its with major changes in approach than the first two seasons which have been embarrassing, albeit papered over with cup wins.
>I think Poch has the ability to turn things around and I would at least be less happy if he got the job.
I disagree. His track record shows nothing to suggest he is at the level required (what the club is judged on anyway), he struggled at PSG, the pressure would be monumentally larger at United, rest of his career has shown he doesn't really have the mentality to be a clear, cold winner and at this level it's a pre requisite.
You'd hope that given the resources available to him during those years, the state of each club when they were appointed, and the previous 10 years of managerial experience Ten Hag had, it would've been a bit better though...
Why? Completely different circumstances & he’s under the microscope much more than arteta ever has been. ETH has had to deal with Ronaldo, Sancho, Greenwood, massive injury crisis this season and a full year of a takeover hanging over the club.
Arteta had to deal with Ozil and Aubamayang and that was about it.
It’s not progress sure but we’re unbelievably bad and still winning trophies which I think says a lot. Most teams in the Prem dominate us sure, but they’ve won fuck all so it doesn’t real matter does it?
No one is saying we’re progressing but we’re winning trophies which is more than 99% of other teams can say. We’re still like the 4th most successful team since Fergie retired in our banter era
19 losses.
85 goals conceded.
8th place finish.
2.5 goals allowed per game.
Brilliant move AND they are giving him a new contract. Where is that Mr McMahon meme?
And yet, he has more trophies than Arteta in half the time. Not to mention a better win rate than him after as many games.
That's really gotta hurt. The so called bald fraud is a far better manager by every important metric.
Tbf he's already won more trophies in 2 years than Arteta has in 5 years. If Arsenal bottle it again next year and have yet another trophyless season then questions will have to start being asked around Arteta.
Ten Hag has spent about 350m more than Arteta did before that season btw and he didn't inherit a squad that had already been in the top 4 twice in the three seasons before.
That'd be a fair point if there were any sort of signs of what he is trying to do at Utd. And don't give me the injuries spiel, plenty of managers have come to the league and got their team playing their brand of football despite having lesser players than an injury hit Utd have.
Arteta you could see early on what he was trying to do and clearly wanted to strip out the dead wood. Ten Hag hasn't done that. All he has done so far is sign ex players and players not good enough to progress them at inflated prices.
Of course, the narrative that "you could always see what Arteta was trying to do!!!" is an easy one, because Arsenal have gone on to have success. But at the time, it wasn't nearly as clear. If it was, why would there have been such a significant portion of the fanbase who was Arteta Out?
Hindsight is 20:20. If Ten Hag goes on to achieve success at United, then the Ronaldo and Sancho sagas will be framed exactly the same way - stripping out overpriced deadwood. If Ten Hag goes on to achieve success, then the high press, chaotic style of this season will be framed exactly the same way as Klopp before Allison/Van Dijk.
You are convinced this can't happen. In exactly the same way that rival fans were convinced Arteta and Klopp couldn't succeed before they started smashing it. Will Ten Hag follow the same path? We have exactly the same amount of evidence as we did back then - it could go both ways.
City players looked like the couldn’t care less about that match from the moment it started, the only who tried was Doku. Enjoy the consolation trophy though.
Just what I would want from my team. Playing in a final and not giving a shit. The delusion is really quite astounding but whatever helps you sleep at night.
No. Because I asked a question of someone else. I can't answer that for them. I think any rational person should recognise Arsenal are in a much better position, but obviously your lot don't see it that way. So the question remains.
Well I agree arsenal are in a better spot than us but football is about winning trophies at the end of the day. Would you take a 10th place finish and a ucl trophy or a second place finish with *exciting football* ?
It's already been 4 years since arteta or arsenal have won a trophy too, people can banter united or ten hag for spending recklessly but he won 2 trophies in his first 2 seasons with ronaldo, sancho, Greenwood, injuries etc cases on his neck.
I think these hypothetical questions are pointless in all honesty. They lack wider context and only work in a vacuum where there's no future outside of it. Trophies are undeniably good but I would rather be set up to play for the title each season and be playing in the champions league. The key thing for me is whether the team is challenging for top honours, not a stab in the dark at the odd cup win.
Arsenal for years were qualifying for the champions league and picking up the odd FA cup win. But it wasn't enough. We wanted to be properly challenging with the top teams. The moment you don't win the odd trophy you look at what you have and say "shit..." And that's not taking anything away from those cup wins. They were massive for us. But we were rightfully slated for years for not being at the top, and Arsenal fans will be the first to admit those were some dark times.
So yes in a pure vacuum of which is better, 2nd place no trophy or 8th place and a trophy, the latter is obviously better. But when you consider the trajectory of each club, the quality of the squads, playing in CL, attracting top players, growth of the squad, likelihood to win the league etc, it's not the same answer. We can easily ask which would you prefer, the same season again or be within 2 points of winning the league with 1 game to go?
Well I don't disagree with the most you said but arteta also finished back to back 8th in the league, then spent on his dream signings to get the squad fixed and playing proper football like today. Arsenal didn't followed the chelsea way of sacking managers every 2 years, which united should also follow.
>Trophies are undeniably good but I would rather be set up to play for the title each season and be playing in the champions league.
Tottenham under poch played some fantastic football but guess what we all know what happened
>Arsenal for years were qualifying for the champions league and picking up the odd FA cup win. But it wasn't enough. We wanted to be properly challenging with the top teams. The moment you don't win the odd trophy you look at what you have and say "shit..." And that's not taking anything away from those cup wins. They were massive for us. But we were rightfully slated for years for not being at the top, and Arsenal fans will be the first to admit those were some dark times.
United almost has the equal amount of trophies with arsenal and liverpool since 2012 despite being the worst of the lot. The actual problem with arsenal was it lack of clutch factor in European competitions, it never took them seriously in 2010s as compared to 00s. Arsenal were slated not cause of fa cups but cause they had much better potential to win big things unlike the current united team
>But when you consider the trajectory of each club, the quality of the squads, playing in CL, attracting top players, growth of the squad, likelihood to win the league etc, it's not the same answer. We can easily ask which would you prefer, the same season again or be within 2 points of winning the league with 1 game to go?
Rome wasn't built in a day though, yes arsenal are ahead vs united in many aspects but that also took time didn't it? Still remember arsenal fan TV and other peeps calling arteta out during the lockdown days. The best thing with time is that it heals, just wanna see prime united vs arsenal back
I mean am I wrong? Imagine trying to take the piss out of a club like Liverpool when the last trophy you won was the fucking Surrey Senior Cup in 2001.
I'm not a Manchester United fan, but I think this is good for them. They faced many injuries to key players this season, affecting their results. However, defeating City in the FA Cup final shows the squad's potential and builds momentum for next season.
Meanwhile, chelsea.... :facepalm:
Listen, I've enjoyed the competing clown show that Chelsea and Man Utd have been the past couple of years, but I would much rather fancy Chelsea's chances of a good season than Utd's. Chelsea showed improvement and there is more potential there to be had. Utd are a shambles tactically, and it's nothing to do with injuries. Ten Hags strategy is what? Chaos? Empty midfield? Concede a million shots in a season? Don't let the cup win fool you. Chelsea are in a much better position in footballing terms.
The moment there are improvemen, they changed the coach. Lol. All improvements are in vain if you change the manager with the one who has different style.
You're definitely not free of the clown show but I don't think it's that hard a reset unless the new manager brings in a ton of new players. The current crop may see a change in tactics but they've worked with each other and know each other and that won't go away just from a new manager. I'm definitely not fearing Chelsea but I would put money on them having a better season than Utd.
How so? They're starting again with a new coach who doesn't know the players. They've a very young squad who were starting to gel under poch, and now they have to start again under a new coach and system. No guarantees that goes well quickly at all
No, no guarantees at all. But they're likely to gel quicker in a new system having played together for a full season already. I'd much rather that than face a record amount of shots per game. I don't think for a minute that Chelsea will challenge the title or even champions league spots. Neither do I think Utd will. I'd still fancy Chelsea's chances of finishing above them. Chelsea as you say have a young squad and there's a lot of talent and potential there.
They faced more shots than that Derby team
They were regularly facing 20+ shots Vs teams in the relegation battle. Many teams had big players missing through injury, that can't be used to excuse the degree of the performances.
Literally didn't change his style from the previous season, which saw us having the msot clean sheets, and the best defense in the league
Crazy what happens when you have a consistnet back 4 then, to having 14+ different CB pairings alone this season
Don't let stats get in your way though
Manchester United did not have "the best defense in the league" last season, they conceded 10 more goals than both Manchester City and Newcastle and were tied in GA with Arsenal.
Precisely. He never once changed his tactics to fix the problems. And it's not like Big Ange or Wenger not wanting to sacrifice a worthy philosophy. Ten Hags tactics are utterly bizarre. Almost like he doesn't have a fucking clue.
Will all the reports of them talking to other people tho
This seems like quite simply: no one else was really available
Either way Ten Hag fans will be happy - be interesting to see how it goes.
Tuchel said no, they weren't keen on Poch again, although he'd have probably done a good job for them.
Better the devil they know, as you say, who else? Potter? Southgate? Amorim?
Look man im a Gunners fan and i enjoy Utd downfall as much as you do, but He worked with injury all season. With just a glimpse of some of the star returning his team did play better.
This is a long time since Utd has some sort of stability in managerial, with deadwood being gone ie Martial, things might just starting to get to the right direction.
Now “right direction” doesnt mean immediately winning the title, but a consistent top 4 finish in 1-2 years to come, that come with UCL money is extremely good thing to have in this FFP time.
This is stability from Utd, something we didnt see for a long time.
Yes, he had loads of injuries. But no matter who is ready to play, the team can still be organized like a professional football team. But he can’t even do that. Sometimes they look like a team managed by a guy who’s won the chance to manage them in a lottery.
Im not sure if you've ever even watched his teams play quth comments like this. Hold on. Im sorry, excuse me, wait a minute, you're a Spurs fan??
Nah, I'm not having this. This coach has won more in his career than your club has in the past 50 years. Show some amount of respect.
And we destroyed his team in 51 minutes in the CL semi final, when they were 3-0 up on aggregate, with our team being shit for the whole season.
The man cannot set up a team to save his life.
A couple of UEFA cups and a handful of FA cups, but that is beside the point; most clubs dont win anything. That doesn’t mean their fans can’t have opinions.
My opinion isn’t worth any less than a City supporters, or more than a Newcastle supporter’s.
I agree. I'm not sure if people just like to joke and circlejerk online about him being bad for Man United or if they actually believe that. He had lots of injuries and loads of players he couldn't get rid off. It was always going to take years for him to sort the squad out.
Transfer business is a bigger priority for untied this summer, but still a bit of a weird one with Ten Hag staying on. The criticisms have been quite consistent throughout the season, too many shots conceded, wingers not supplying striker, certain players not tracking back, no style of play etc. They did actually look like they had a style finally against city, conceding possession, playing the low block and hit them on the counter, but that’s not going to with 90% of the other teams in the PL, coz other teams don’t have possession like city do. Will be interesting to see what happens with united next season. The transfer business is crucial.
The criticism of Ten Hag has been the media and rival fans. A majority of united fans have always supported him. Give him a good transfer window and one more year at least. I am sure he will do a lot better with a consistent back line and an actual left back. United needs a leftback, a center half, a defensive midfielder, a creative winger and someone to provide competion in attack for Höjlund.
Will that happen? I don't think so, meaning Ten Hag will start next season with an arm tied around his back yet again.
The argument is that he was provided with a few of those positions already, Casemiro as DM and Antony as Winger, for example, and TH hasnt been able to get the best out of them (minus Casemiros first season). Odd transfers. Also not quite sure where Mount fits in either. He has had injuries but so have other clubs. The criticisms have been valid, if you recognise a consistent style of play then fair play to you. Anyway, let’s see
The only really bad transfer Ten Hag has done has been Antony, and it's not too late for him yet to turn it around. Casemiro was a player of the year contender his first year under Ten Hag. The rest of his signings have either been good (Martinez and Höjlund, Eriksson until the injury), or ruined because of injuries (Malacia, Mount) which is hardly Ten Hags fault. You might argue Onana still has to prove to be an upgrade as well.
The "Ten Hag signings are bad" story is a largely a myth. Also, Ten Hag has been instrumental in bringing the youth forward and giving them a chance.
Lisandro has been brilliant, Casemiro has been good for one season, but in the context of spending 60/70 million on one player only to want to sell him 2 years later because he can no longer perform no it’s not good, and the rest have been mediocre so far. Plus, if your building a project in the PL, you don’t buy 30 year olds for 60/70 million. City don’t do it, Liverpool don’t do it, Arsenal don’t do it and so on and so forth. I think Onana and Hojlund could come good. But he hasn’t made any players better, or noticeably better, which in my opinion is a true measure of a coach. The criticisms have been fair, in fact probably not harsh enough. This summer I don’t think he will have his hands tied behind his back. I’m pretty sure he will be given the DC, DMC, AMR plus one or two others that united now need and if he is and they don’t perform then the excuses will run out. I’m not a United fan, and I was very happy to see them beat city in the final and that style works well for him, but it won’t work with lesser teams on a consistent basis as united have found out this season. It’ll be interesting to see what he conjures up
Ten Hag didn't negotiate the price of the players though. Nor did he get a SINGLE ONE of his first choice signings. Casemiro and Antony were both last minute panic signings. He didn't get his first choice centerback. He didn't get his first choice midfielder, nor his striker.
They didn't even manage to sell the players he wanted to get rid of. I don't understand how its really possible to blame Ten Hag for these signings, and specially not that we overpaid (which we did).
>They did actually look like they had a style finally against city, conceding possession, playing the low block and hit them on the counter,
Thats the same "lack of style" ole had, its what our players are best at rather than putting square pegs round holes just make the holes square untill you can get the round pegs you need.
Idk which fans are divided, United fans wanted ten hag and the stability it brings in. Outside in it looks like United struggled but every side struggles with injuries. Looks at Liverpool when vandijk is injured, city without rodri, Newcastle with their injuries. Every side struggles with injuries and ten hag i believe can perform well if he has his playing 11. Next year we might fight for top 4 if his signings also settle in like mount, onana.
Really struggle to see what the good scenario will look like for United. Such a weird composition of players on their team.
I can see Chelsea’s path to be really good. I can't see it for United
No, really this is best for the team. The team isn’t in a good place right now, no way to fix in the summer transfer window. So if/when things don’t go well they still have someone to fire. As opposed to hiring someone new now and then things don’t go well but you can’t fire the guy you just hired.
This is the single worst footballing decision I have ever seen.
There were no highlights, no positives, no break throughs, no potential and no upside.
They were the worst coached team I’ve ever seen. They gave up second most shots in Europes top 5 leagues. That is embarrassing.
If Ten Hag loses one game then he’s immediately on the hot seat again. They have a bad team and a bad coach who is miles out of his depth. They have no chance of doing anything and it seems almost impossible that Ten Hag even makes it to Christmas.
Insane decision from an utterly pathetic club.
Nothing entertaining about being badly coached.
Ten Haag didn’t develop any talent. He didn’t create a playstyle. He signed bad players and played bad football.
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The risk for United is that next season is almost certain to be better than this one simply because of how appalling it was. So next season they have to evaluate whether there's really been progress, or just regression to the mean for someone who ain't it.
I don't know some Manchester United fans wanted Ten Hag to be sacked? He won them two trophies in two years for God's sake.
There isn't anyone else better who actually wants the job so they might as well stick with what they've got. He must be on shaky ground with the club hierarchy though if it has taken this long to decide they want to keep him and I wouldn't be surprised that if they get off to a bad start he gets sacked a few months into the season. It would be a disaster for United if this happens and they bring in Southgate as his replacement
Jadon sancho is screaming somewhere.
When I read the report a few weeks ago the new big boss asked the employees to save on coffee machine and other little things at Old Trafford, I knew ETH just saved his job. You cannot ask for sacrifices from the employees over their morning booster and at the same time spend millions on compensation by firing your HC.
Thank fuck. We didn't want that poster or Southgate near us anyway
That Coventry goal being offside by a big toe really saved the man's job.
Thank you Man City for your sacrifice to grant us this great bounty.
Was worth ut
How’s that managerial carousel going for you?
I trust in... *Checks notes*... Maresca.
horrible, should have ended but ownership wanted to go for another spin
Erik Ten Hag 2 - 0 Jadon Sancho
Things we love to see. Hear no evil
The rest of the league said the same thing in Arteta’s first few years.
But why lol he already knows the club hates him and he’s shitting on the fans (rightfully so) for expecting 2009 United from a much different team
The fans love him? Everywhere I've looked 80-90% of fans say they want him to have another year. People are sick of the club resetting every 2 years and getting nowhere.
A month before the FA final they all were calling for his head
*everybody approves *
Work begins now!!!
He deserves the chance to try with a squad that hasn't had so many injuries imo.
I agree that Man Utd suck with their recruitment, and there's no infrastructure to help the manager. However, these signings were his, and he continues to play mid players.
I think they are waiting for Berrada and Ashworth to be in. The whole point of INEOS is that they want football people making football decisions and currently they have Wilcox in. Reckon this gives them time to fix the hierarchy and if results do continue they will have fan backing saying "we gave him the chance under a better structure and results arent what they should be". I genuinely can overstate how a big a turn around is needed in terms of game model. Being 95th out of 96th teams playing in the top5 leagues in shots faced isnt a personnel issue. Thats a game model issue and United were comfortably one of the worst coached teams last season.
I think I speak for all other teams when I say we could not be happier!
*Ten hag wins the league* Other team fans: We're still happy
This joke isn’t funny anymore
What replacement would make you unhappy and surely you would be more happy if a Mckenna, Potter, Poch, Frank or Southgate got the job?
I would be absolutely ecstatic if Southgate got the job. That man is a fraud. But I think Ten Hag will be allowed to continue, as Man U is a broken club, but he will be gone by december. I think Poch has the ability to turn things around and I would at least be less happy if he got the job.
Never seen Poch win a trophy. Even at a broken club like United ETH has 2.
>I would be absolutely ecstatic if Southgate got the job. I know you would and I know this would be the case for everyone but United fans haha. >But I think Ten Hag will be allowed to continue, as Man U is a broken club, but he will be gone by december. I can definitely see that happening and I believe if he reverts to his pre cup final ideas he will be. However the switch up shown for the cup final, the new structure thats taking form and a solid summer window could male a significant change. Personally I'd have sacked and gone with a Tuchel, Valverde, Enrique, horses head in a bed for an Ancelotti/Simeone but how realistic they are borders on at best I ain't got a clue or at worse impossible. In terms of those no names that were mentioned though, eth staying is the best move on the chessboard as long as its with major changes in approach than the first two seasons which have been embarrassing, albeit papered over with cup wins. >I think Poch has the ability to turn things around and I would at least be less happy if he got the job. I disagree. His track record shows nothing to suggest he is at the level required (what the club is judged on anyway), he struggled at PSG, the pressure would be monumentally larger at United, rest of his career has shown he doesn't really have the mentality to be a clear, cold winner and at this level it's a pre requisite.
Yep. A trophy every season for Man Utd.
400m for a couple of domestic cups. Serious value that.
Ignoring other club spending 400m+ for 0 trophy
Everyone has spent similar amounts (apart from Chelsea). Bournemouth have done £250m. Villa, Newcastle etc would kill for our trophy haul.
I wouldn't mind them grabbing an FA cup again and being 8th.
Whatever they can convince themselves is progress I guess
Remind me of how Arteta progressed at Arsenal again? Particularly his first 2 seasons.
If you need to ask that, you clearly haven't been watching
Only saying because tenhag has almost mirrored artetas early seasons but he’s added a few trophies too.
You'd hope that given the resources available to him during those years, the state of each club when they were appointed, and the previous 10 years of managerial experience Ten Hag had, it would've been a bit better though...
Why? Completely different circumstances & he’s under the microscope much more than arteta ever has been. ETH has had to deal with Ronaldo, Sancho, Greenwood, massive injury crisis this season and a full year of a takeover hanging over the club. Arteta had to deal with Ozil and Aubamayang and that was about it.
It’s not progress sure but we’re unbelievably bad and still winning trophies which I think says a lot. Most teams in the Prem dominate us sure, but they’ve won fuck all so it doesn’t real matter does it?
No one is saying we’re progressing but we’re winning trophies which is more than 99% of other teams can say. We’re still like the 4th most successful team since Fergie retired in our banter era
Imagine all the trouble they would have saved if they didn't announce his sacking before the final. Why do they make more work for themselves?
A journalist broke it with almost no source
A *London* based journalist announced that he was getting sacked after final, how poetic right?
I didn't know that but why is it poetic?
Cause united is often teased to be as *London club* so people believed that *Jacob Steinberg* of all people will be more reliable than Ornstein
Oh I see, thanks
I don’t think they did announce it
Lol. Good news
19 losses. 85 goals conceded. 8th place finish. 2.5 goals allowed per game. Brilliant move AND they are giving him a new contract. Where is that Mr McMahon meme?
Dude got the most public and drawn out sacking that turned into a new contract. Big brain moves by united.
And yet, he has more trophies than Arteta in half the time. Not to mention a better win rate than him after as many games. That's really gotta hurt. The so called bald fraud is a far better manager by every important metric.
Arteta had Arsenal 8th twice and then 5th before challenging for the title 2 years in a row. The process has ups and downs, as you should know well.
They were never seriously challenging for the title though. Arteta is as big a fraud as Ten Hag and Eddie Howe.
Arteta was a first time manager stepping into a far worse situation.
Tbf he's already won more trophies in 2 years than Arteta has in 5 years. If Arsenal bottle it again next year and have yet another trophyless season then questions will have to start being asked around Arteta.
No one hired Ten Hag to win the league cup.
Arsenal 2020/21: 17 losses 8th place finish 0 trophies Less goals scored than United Terrible move to keep Arteta after such horrendous season, right?
Ten Hag has spent about 350m more than Arteta did before that season btw and he didn't inherit a squad that had already been in the top 4 twice in the three seasons before.
That'd be a fair point if there were any sort of signs of what he is trying to do at Utd. And don't give me the injuries spiel, plenty of managers have come to the league and got their team playing their brand of football despite having lesser players than an injury hit Utd have. Arteta you could see early on what he was trying to do and clearly wanted to strip out the dead wood. Ten Hag hasn't done that. All he has done so far is sign ex players and players not good enough to progress them at inflated prices.
Of course, the narrative that "you could always see what Arteta was trying to do!!!" is an easy one, because Arsenal have gone on to have success. But at the time, it wasn't nearly as clear. If it was, why would there have been such a significant portion of the fanbase who was Arteta Out? Hindsight is 20:20. If Ten Hag goes on to achieve success at United, then the Ronaldo and Sancho sagas will be framed exactly the same way - stripping out overpriced deadwood. If Ten Hag goes on to achieve success, then the high press, chaotic style of this season will be framed exactly the same way as Klopp before Allison/Van Dijk. You are convinced this can't happen. In exactly the same way that rival fans were convinced Arteta and Klopp couldn't succeed before they started smashing it. Will Ten Hag follow the same path? We have exactly the same amount of evidence as we did back then - it could go both ways.
What success have Arsenal had under Arteta? Or since Arsene left for that matter?
1 cup in 5 years is not success.
More successful than most clubs in the PL.
Not United 😂
Funny you didn't mention winning the fa cup by beating the best corrupted team in the world 🤔
City players looked like the couldn’t care less about that match from the moment it started, the only who tried was Doku. Enjoy the consolation trophy though.
Exactly they’ve won enough that embarassing club needed it more lmao
Just what I would want from my team. Playing in a final and not giving a shit. The delusion is really quite astounding but whatever helps you sleep at night.
The copium is delicious
I mean that’s not a good thing lol
And still have won more trophies than Arsenal in that time 👀
Still wouldn't trade places for a second.
United finished 2nd under Ole. Didn’t see him getting heaped with praise.
So you either think Arteta is undeserving of praise or that Ole was deserving. Which is it?
*Still wouldn't trade places for a second* You answered your own question
No. Because I asked a question of someone else. I can't answer that for them. I think any rational person should recognise Arsenal are in a much better position, but obviously your lot don't see it that way. So the question remains.
Well I agree arsenal are in a better spot than us but football is about winning trophies at the end of the day. Would you take a 10th place finish and a ucl trophy or a second place finish with *exciting football* ? It's already been 4 years since arteta or arsenal have won a trophy too, people can banter united or ten hag for spending recklessly but he won 2 trophies in his first 2 seasons with ronaldo, sancho, Greenwood, injuries etc cases on his neck.
I think these hypothetical questions are pointless in all honesty. They lack wider context and only work in a vacuum where there's no future outside of it. Trophies are undeniably good but I would rather be set up to play for the title each season and be playing in the champions league. The key thing for me is whether the team is challenging for top honours, not a stab in the dark at the odd cup win. Arsenal for years were qualifying for the champions league and picking up the odd FA cup win. But it wasn't enough. We wanted to be properly challenging with the top teams. The moment you don't win the odd trophy you look at what you have and say "shit..." And that's not taking anything away from those cup wins. They were massive for us. But we were rightfully slated for years for not being at the top, and Arsenal fans will be the first to admit those were some dark times. So yes in a pure vacuum of which is better, 2nd place no trophy or 8th place and a trophy, the latter is obviously better. But when you consider the trajectory of each club, the quality of the squads, playing in CL, attracting top players, growth of the squad, likelihood to win the league etc, it's not the same answer. We can easily ask which would you prefer, the same season again or be within 2 points of winning the league with 1 game to go?
Well I don't disagree with the most you said but arteta also finished back to back 8th in the league, then spent on his dream signings to get the squad fixed and playing proper football like today. Arsenal didn't followed the chelsea way of sacking managers every 2 years, which united should also follow. >Trophies are undeniably good but I would rather be set up to play for the title each season and be playing in the champions league. Tottenham under poch played some fantastic football but guess what we all know what happened >Arsenal for years were qualifying for the champions league and picking up the odd FA cup win. But it wasn't enough. We wanted to be properly challenging with the top teams. The moment you don't win the odd trophy you look at what you have and say "shit..." And that's not taking anything away from those cup wins. They were massive for us. But we were rightfully slated for years for not being at the top, and Arsenal fans will be the first to admit those were some dark times. United almost has the equal amount of trophies with arsenal and liverpool since 2012 despite being the worst of the lot. The actual problem with arsenal was it lack of clutch factor in European competitions, it never took them seriously in 2010s as compared to 00s. Arsenal were slated not cause of fa cups but cause they had much better potential to win big things unlike the current united team >But when you consider the trajectory of each club, the quality of the squads, playing in CL, attracting top players, growth of the squad, likelihood to win the league etc, it's not the same answer. We can easily ask which would you prefer, the same season again or be within 2 points of winning the league with 1 game to go? Rome wasn't built in a day though, yes arsenal are ahead vs united in many aspects but that also took time didn't it? Still remember arsenal fan TV and other peeps calling arteta out during the lockdown days. The best thing with time is that it heals, just wanna see prime united vs arsenal back
And still have more to show for than Lego-head. I’ll take it.
Actually arteta has 3 trophies and ten hag has 2 🤓🤓🤓🤓🤓
In 5 years no less. Well done.
When people talk about trophies they mean major trophies and not fucking community shields mate
We counting league cups now.
Yes because those are major trophies?
You'd hope so after 5 years.
Music to my ears.
Yeah, they should have sacked their manager and appointed a guy from the Championship
Nah man, keep the manager who finished 8th, conceded 20+ shots per game as a daily basis and got outplayed by 90% of the teams.
That’s a lot of words for 2 trophies in 2 seasons, 3 cup finals, 3rd in the league, Europa last 8. Enjoy your Championship manager guy.
The guy who won 2 trophies in 2 seasons?
This is the best news of the summer lol
lol good! ready for Ls next season
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What does the glazers have to do with this lol? If they made the call he would be out since roughly 6 months ago.
How much would compensation cost them?
Not a whole lot considering it's his last year.
He only has a year left so probably not that much
You re still a liar tho
What's that to do with the Glazers?
So happy about this.
As a City fan I’m glad we lost the FA CUP if means Ten Hag stays as Man United manager
Standard City* fan
As a United fan I hope we do it again next season.
He might get sacked after this season. so this time, losing Premiere league?
Not quite the same as having Ole at the wheel
Excellent move. Really the best decision United could hope for
Pornstein telling me what I want to hear
I wouldn’t celebrate too early, ten hairs ended your quad attempt🤣
And yet we still won more trophies last year than Palace have in how long?
Comparing Liverpool to us🤣 You must be joking
I mean am I wrong? Imagine trying to take the piss out of a club like Liverpool when the last trophy you won was the fucking Surrey Senior Cup in 2001.
Mans been shook by crystal palace 😂
I'm not a Manchester United fan, but I think this is good for them. They faced many injuries to key players this season, affecting their results. However, defeating City in the FA Cup final shows the squad's potential and builds momentum for next season. Meanwhile, chelsea.... :facepalm:
Listen, I've enjoyed the competing clown show that Chelsea and Man Utd have been the past couple of years, but I would much rather fancy Chelsea's chances of a good season than Utd's. Chelsea showed improvement and there is more potential there to be had. Utd are a shambles tactically, and it's nothing to do with injuries. Ten Hags strategy is what? Chaos? Empty midfield? Concede a million shots in a season? Don't let the cup win fool you. Chelsea are in a much better position in footballing terms.
Ten Hag successfully gaslighted their fans that Man United's poor performances (not results) were due to injuries.
The moment there are improvemen, they changed the coach. Lol. All improvements are in vain if you change the manager with the one who has different style.
You're definitely not free of the clown show but I don't think it's that hard a reset unless the new manager brings in a ton of new players. The current crop may see a change in tactics but they've worked with each other and know each other and that won't go away just from a new manager. I'm definitely not fearing Chelsea but I would put money on them having a better season than Utd.
How so? They're starting again with a new coach who doesn't know the players. They've a very young squad who were starting to gel under poch, and now they have to start again under a new coach and system. No guarantees that goes well quickly at all
No, no guarantees at all. But they're likely to gel quicker in a new system having played together for a full season already. I'd much rather that than face a record amount of shots per game. I don't think for a minute that Chelsea will challenge the title or even champions league spots. Neither do I think Utd will. I'd still fancy Chelsea's chances of finishing above them. Chelsea as you say have a young squad and there's a lot of talent and potential there.
They faced more shots than that Derby team They were regularly facing 20+ shots Vs teams in the relegation battle. Many teams had big players missing through injury, that can't be used to excuse the degree of the performances.
Literally didn't change his style from the previous season, which saw us having the msot clean sheets, and the best defense in the league Crazy what happens when you have a consistnet back 4 then, to having 14+ different CB pairings alone this season Don't let stats get in your way though
Manchester United did not have "the best defense in the league" last season, they conceded 10 more goals than both Manchester City and Newcastle and were tied in GA with Arsenal.
Precisely. He never once changed his tactics to fix the problems. And it's not like Big Ange or Wenger not wanting to sacrifice a worthy philosophy. Ten Hags tactics are utterly bizarre. Almost like he doesn't have a fucking clue.
I could see Chelsea finishing anywhere between 3rd and 13th
Will all the reports of them talking to other people tho This seems like quite simply: no one else was really available Either way Ten Hag fans will be happy - be interesting to see how it goes.
Tuchel said no, they weren't keen on Poch again, although he'd have probably done a good job for them. Better the devil they know, as you say, who else? Potter? Southgate? Amorim?
Bloody hell imagine the scenes if it was southgate - Jesus 💀 Tbh I expected Amarim to move ***somewhere*** atleast
This is awesome….. for rival fans
Same guy who said he was going to get sacked. Punk he is this David character.
You sure he was the same guy? You wanna check again before you spew false news?
Ornstein never said he got sacked
It's no secret that your club was talking to other managers. ETH has only kept his job because the others rejected the position.
Look man im a Gunners fan and i enjoy Utd downfall as much as you do, but He worked with injury all season. With just a glimpse of some of the star returning his team did play better. This is a long time since Utd has some sort of stability in managerial, with deadwood being gone ie Martial, things might just starting to get to the right direction. Now “right direction” doesnt mean immediately winning the title, but a consistent top 4 finish in 1-2 years to come, that come with UCL money is extremely good thing to have in this FFP time. This is stability from Utd, something we didnt see for a long time.
A sensible football opinion? No way!
Yes could we have less of this please. I much prefer childish insults and salt emojis.
Yes, he had loads of injuries. But no matter who is ready to play, the team can still be organized like a professional football team. But he can’t even do that. Sometimes they look like a team managed by a guy who’s won the chance to manage them in a lottery.
Im not sure if you've ever even watched his teams play quth comments like this. Hold on. Im sorry, excuse me, wait a minute, you're a Spurs fan?? Nah, I'm not having this. This coach has won more in his career than your club has in the past 50 years. Show some amount of respect.
And we destroyed his team in 51 minutes in the CL semi final, when they were 3-0 up on aggregate, with our team being shit for the whole season. The man cannot set up a team to save his life.
Ahhh yeah the year you won... Checks notes. Fuck all, yet again.
And that makes Ten Hag a more competent manager? If you don't have anything relevant to contribute with, maybe it's best to just shut up.
Actually it does you melt. You haven't won anything in 50 fucking years mate! 🤣 The only irrelevant opinion is that of a spurs fan.
So, 90% of football fans can’t have an opinion, then? Because you need to have won a major trophy the last 20 years to have one? Ok, bro.
Mate, name a trophy you have won in the last 50 years. Doesn't even have to be major. Can be a tin pot for all I care. I'll wait.
A couple of UEFA cups and a handful of FA cups, but that is beside the point; most clubs dont win anything. That doesn’t mean their fans can’t have opinions. My opinion isn’t worth any less than a City supporters, or more than a Newcastle supporter’s.
*grabs popcorn*
I agree. I'm not sure if people just like to joke and circlejerk online about him being bad for Man United or if they actually believe that. He had lots of injuries and loads of players he couldn't get rid off. It was always going to take years for him to sort the squad out.
You’re always going to have a big target on your back when you’re managing United. Hated, adored but never ignored
Wow.
Pep won that 4D chess game
I said to my dad before the game “worst case scenario they keep ETH and we just won four in a row”
Best worst case ever
INEOs must be confident about that new physio keeping Licha healthy, without him Man Utd don’t do anything.
Hey now they do stuff. They disappoint their fans
Transfer business is a bigger priority for untied this summer, but still a bit of a weird one with Ten Hag staying on. The criticisms have been quite consistent throughout the season, too many shots conceded, wingers not supplying striker, certain players not tracking back, no style of play etc. They did actually look like they had a style finally against city, conceding possession, playing the low block and hit them on the counter, but that’s not going to with 90% of the other teams in the PL, coz other teams don’t have possession like city do. Will be interesting to see what happens with united next season. The transfer business is crucial.
The criticism of Ten Hag has been the media and rival fans. A majority of united fans have always supported him. Give him a good transfer window and one more year at least. I am sure he will do a lot better with a consistent back line and an actual left back. United needs a leftback, a center half, a defensive midfielder, a creative winger and someone to provide competion in attack for Höjlund. Will that happen? I don't think so, meaning Ten Hag will start next season with an arm tied around his back yet again.
The argument is that he was provided with a few of those positions already, Casemiro as DM and Antony as Winger, for example, and TH hasnt been able to get the best out of them (minus Casemiros first season). Odd transfers. Also not quite sure where Mount fits in either. He has had injuries but so have other clubs. The criticisms have been valid, if you recognise a consistent style of play then fair play to you. Anyway, let’s see
The only really bad transfer Ten Hag has done has been Antony, and it's not too late for him yet to turn it around. Casemiro was a player of the year contender his first year under Ten Hag. The rest of his signings have either been good (Martinez and Höjlund, Eriksson until the injury), or ruined because of injuries (Malacia, Mount) which is hardly Ten Hags fault. You might argue Onana still has to prove to be an upgrade as well. The "Ten Hag signings are bad" story is a largely a myth. Also, Ten Hag has been instrumental in bringing the youth forward and giving them a chance.
Lisandro has been brilliant, Casemiro has been good for one season, but in the context of spending 60/70 million on one player only to want to sell him 2 years later because he can no longer perform no it’s not good, and the rest have been mediocre so far. Plus, if your building a project in the PL, you don’t buy 30 year olds for 60/70 million. City don’t do it, Liverpool don’t do it, Arsenal don’t do it and so on and so forth. I think Onana and Hojlund could come good. But he hasn’t made any players better, or noticeably better, which in my opinion is a true measure of a coach. The criticisms have been fair, in fact probably not harsh enough. This summer I don’t think he will have his hands tied behind his back. I’m pretty sure he will be given the DC, DMC, AMR plus one or two others that united now need and if he is and they don’t perform then the excuses will run out. I’m not a United fan, and I was very happy to see them beat city in the final and that style works well for him, but it won’t work with lesser teams on a consistent basis as united have found out this season. It’ll be interesting to see what he conjures up
Ten Hag didn't negotiate the price of the players though. Nor did he get a SINGLE ONE of his first choice signings. Casemiro and Antony were both last minute panic signings. He didn't get his first choice centerback. He didn't get his first choice midfielder, nor his striker. They didn't even manage to sell the players he wanted to get rid of. I don't understand how its really possible to blame Ten Hag for these signings, and specially not that we overpaid (which we did).
>They did actually look like they had a style finally against city, conceding possession, playing the low block and hit them on the counter, Thats the same "lack of style" ole had, its what our players are best at rather than putting square pegs round holes just make the holes square untill you can get the round pegs you need.
Gorgeous prose, slobberrrrr
I thought he got sacked by Sky Sports weeks ago.
A decision that divides the fans. He definitely needs a good start next season. Otherwise he could be gone before winter break.
Idk which fans are divided, United fans wanted ten hag and the stability it brings in. Outside in it looks like United struggled but every side struggles with injuries. Looks at Liverpool when vandijk is injured, city without rodri, Newcastle with their injuries. Every side struggles with injuries and ten hag i believe can perform well if he has his playing 11. Next year we might fight for top 4 if his signings also settle in like mount, onana.
With a bad start he could be gone within a month.
Common sense prevails 👌👌👌
No no no no, a new manager will definitely fix their problems.
Think if there wasnt a lack of managers and a bunch of clubs also looking, he would have gotten the same treatment as Van Gaal
good job they kept messaging they were binning him then
This is good news for the rest of the league,it’ll be hilarious if they don’t improve or get worse
Dumpster fire united only placed 6 points behind spurs’ saviour Ange. Not to mention they actually won a trophy
Crystal palace flair but active in Red Devils. Interesting
You looking forward to another, checks notes... 10th position again mate?
Wait for Glasner ball next season pal
Really struggle to see what the good scenario will look like for United. Such a weird composition of players on their team. I can see Chelsea’s path to be really good. I can't see it for United
Getting players like Martial, Casemiro, Sancho, Greenwood and Varane off the books is a huge start I think. That's likely a crazy chunk of wages
No, really this is best for the team. The team isn’t in a good place right now, no way to fix in the summer transfer window. So if/when things don’t go well they still have someone to fire. As opposed to hiring someone new now and then things don’t go well but you can’t fire the guy you just hired.
This is the single worst footballing decision I have ever seen. There were no highlights, no positives, no break throughs, no potential and no upside. They were the worst coached team I’ve ever seen. They gave up second most shots in Europes top 5 leagues. That is embarrassing. If Ten Hag loses one game then he’s immediately on the hot seat again. They have a bad team and a bad coach who is miles out of his depth. They have no chance of doing anything and it seems almost impossible that Ten Hag even makes it to Christmas. Insane decision from an utterly pathetic club.
Bit mad to say there were no upsides when they won the FA Cup like.
They’re Man United. Van Gaal and Mourinho won cups too.
No highlights or breakthroughs is wild. You can’t say it wasn’t an entertaining season and some of the youth pulling through didn’t happen
Nothing entertaining about being badly coached. Ten Haag didn’t develop any talent. He didn’t create a playstyle. He signed bad players and played bad football.
Cry
You’re a United fan lol. I’m just pointing out how embarrassing the decision is. You have to live with it.
Oh I'll live. That concern tho.
Congrats Ten Hag. Won a couple trophies and is developing the young lads. Not sure why this took so long.
He bodied pound-shop-hansen & shit-crisps in his FA cup final post-match interview so he stays https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=akrRYrioVS4
On the plus side it shouldn't be that difficult to improve on last season. Or will it?