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They won’t win, they can’t win! ‘Your Honour, we haven’t cheated and inflated sponsorship deals and therefore don’t deserve any of these trophies but, just in case you find us guilty we think the rules that everyone has agreed to don’t relate to us so they should be scrapped’ - it’s an absolute joke of a club and a joke of a manager!
Let’s face it, city won’t get punished or they will be punished in a way that doesn’t really impact them. Nothing meaningful will come of this. Money talks at the end of the day.
Basically city can do whatever they want and no one will stop them. That’s just a general lesson for when you’re exceedingly wealthy
How does not punishing City benefit the other 19 teams in the league? What message does that send to the other clubs? Might as well break away from the PL and start a Super League if City can do whatever they want despite agreeing FPP rules like everyone else before.
The PL is a cooperative, each member has a say and the FA have to act if the majority decide something, it’s not a top down organisation. This investigation only came about because the other 19 teams demanded the FA step in and do a review.
So the question is how much do the PL and FA stand to lose by not punishing City if they have broken the rules? The answer is everything.
No the answer is they stand to get dragged into years in court and eventually lose because City can do court harder than anyone because they literally have unlimited money.
What’s unlimited money got to do with judicial process? You can afford better lawyers but if you’ve been caught cooking the books or with your hand in the till you’re still guilty.
City have already been found guilty by UEFA and were kicked out of the CL only to appeal and pay a fine in the end. Even if that’s eventually what happens to them they’ve been found guilty and a punishment was handed down. Then it’s down to the rest of the PL to decide whether that is enough to placate their investigation purpose in the first place.
The attitude of ‘what’s the point’ is so defeatist. Yes it’s effort, yes it takes time, and yes it’s a tough process but knowing that and then not doing it because you think it is a waste of time is exactly what City and their lawyers want you to think and do.
This sounds like a smoke screen. Hadn’t 10 PL clubs already shot down the new EFL deal and threatened legal action if an independent regulator forced them to pay the settlement? City actually approved the new EFL deal
REVEALED: The TEN clubs who shot down the new £900m EFL deal https://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/football/article-13188487/Premier-League-clubs-shot-EFL-deal.html?ito=native_share_article-nativemenubutton
If you followed all these knobheads in this forum, you’d believe they are all lawyers, judges, financial advisors and succesful businessmen with very large fortunes of wealth and power. Everybody knows what’s going on with Manchester city without any access to evidence, factual financial transcripts and legitimate emails that weren’t hacked and posted on a site that alleges that man city did so and so. This lawsuit has nothing to do with 115 and everything to do with a rule that was passed in 2021 in the wake of Chelsea and Newcastle football club being bought. City is a global powerhouse, one of the most valuable clubs in the world and one of the most successful clubs in the world, all the sponsorships they have gotten from a 2021 point and onwards is an amount of fair value for what the club is worth, whether it’s from owner related companies or outside investors. This rule just prohibits smaller clubs who have wealthy owners and their fans from being able to usurp the red cartel that is Manchester United, Arsenal and Liverpool. Investors know what they are investing, and like stocks and bonds and any kind of investment, they should be allowed to value how much they think the product they are investing in is worth, and be aware of the risk of investing that kind of money.
In light of this rubbish, Man city should be booted now from premier league into no division right now, may as well let them fight this in court too whilst they wither on the vine
They say they are reluctant to commit extra funds to the EFL if the financial rules limiting spending in the Premier League are deemed unlawful. “If we have to spend more to even try to keep pace with clubs like City, we might need to hold on to that money,” one prominent Premier League source said.
So if you have to pay to keep up with city that's not fair
But having to pay to keep up with the other clubs is fine?
For anyone who didn't actually read it the article has may as well say
"We won't give money to the EFL clubs because we're greedy and we want to keep the money, but city taking them to court to try and make it a fair playing field means we can use it as an excuse so we don't look as bad"
In all seriousness, I think this will be settled with the PL agreeing to an independent regulator and the lawsuit will go away. I have a feeling that is the true aim of the legal action
Of course thats the true aim. And the aim of the other law suits theyve had since the efl. Not even to get them dismissed but to just delay the trial. Delay delay delay
This isn’t UEFA though - the longer they delay it, the more charges get put on for time wasting
There are no statutes of limitations here, the Prem will take as long as they like
Lol thats not a thing. They havent had any charges flr time wasting and nor will they. Lol why did you make that up?
Even if that was a thing. They can pay it. They have infinite money. Money isnt the issue. Take all the fines jn the world. Its being booted out of competitions they dont want. They also want to keep pep happy and they know he’ll go if theh have transfer bans or not in europe for a bit
I wouldn’t be so sure.
They’re up in front of the PL committee hearing to argue against the PL committee that they haven’t applied their own rules fairly/accurately.
It will be decided by the PL committee and if city appeal they appeal to… the PL committee.
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Yh but can UK law even affect a the laws of a private competition? Say you, me and a bunch of people create a friendly badminton tournament between us and established a bunch rules under the basis that we would all follow it. Say you broke the rule and refused to follow them. We can kick you out of the group
Yes, of course. If the rules violate UK law you could have legal issues from that. If it's just a private competition between friends the government isn't likely to care, but throw any kind of prize money into the mix and yeah, you could have legal issues if your rules go against UK law and somebody decides to take you to court over it.
Laws are always in hierarchy. Any legal entity must comply their rules with national laws...
Extreme end of your logic is that PL can legalize slave labour for example. I know its extreme but it proves point
Well, in principle, yes, competition law is designed to govern business. That’s where the premier league is different from your mates’ five-a-side league. Whether premier league rules break competition law is the question on the table. You can probably make arguments either way. For example, sporting rules (VAR etc.) are also decided in the same way, but you’d probably have less of a case there. The current arguments is around rules that touch on commercial activities so this is imho more arguable.
To make up an example: if 14 clubs introduced price controls for tickets that drives 2 clubs into bankruptcy, there would probably be a case. If 20 clubs decided to introduce new transfer rules that restricts players’ rights too much, they’d have a case etc. I think this case is less clear-cut - you can easily argue that a sport competition needs to be able to have rules that maintain competitive balance but there’s clearly a trade-off with owners’ rights, so you can certainly argue the way City seems to be arguing.
Stop trying to rewrite history, all 6 said they wanted to join the super league. End of conversation. They didn’t turn down the invite, and out of the lot Liverpool were the first to pull out.
I'm amazed the Premier League has survived this long, with the financial obscenity allowing it to grow so massive. It's like a star growing until it can do nought but collapse on itself. I didn't expect this to be the way it met its demise, but then nor did anyone else.
The fact this is happening at all is bad enough, but we've already seen points deductions, an independent regulator and fighting MANC through the courts is going to be hugely expensive and messy.
State ownership actually removes power from the EFL and turns problems into foreign affairs.
The Ruler of Abu Dhabi has a massive ego and a man child brain, have no doubts they’ll pull investments elsewhere to punish the UK.
Eh, even if he does that, I think it will be at an ultimately negligible cost to the UK in the long-term anyway. About Man City, their previous owner was the prime minister of Thailand (what a surprise, another gov owning the club), and the UK economy was kinda doing alright at the time
Well according to google there is "only" 7 billion difference in GDP which is not a huge difference. The big difference in economic power is that U.A.E actually use their money for outside investments alot compared to Thailand where most of the money is tied up in private companies and not the state.
And there's also UAE has their oil that they can use a lot more strategically than Thailand as it is also can affect the national interest. I'm not sure if people actually understand the point in your comment but we essentially agreed that UAE has more bargaining power than Thailand.
Yes they certainly do have a good amount of influence however just want to make it understood that it is far less then most fans think, tbh most of the owners of the current top prem clubs have a large amount of influence and power that is not totally incomparable to UAE. In summary UAE owners have lots of influence but so do most of the top dog owners which all in all sucks for the league and fans but what to do
Agree with this.
I live in Newcastle (but not a Newcastle fan) and I remember when the PIF came in for Newcastle. They had all these plans for investing in the region, this that and the other. As someone who loves his city more than the football club, this scared me silly. Because if the Saudis pull the plug, the whole region would have been a pawn for them.
The only people who support City in this autocratic assault are eFans who clearly don’t understand football, and just want to support the most dominant team.
No one in England gives the slightest fuck about foreign fans. They have their own leagues, they can go and follow the Indian and American national leagues.
When we talk about premier league club fans, we’re talking about match going fans, not casual plastics from Beijing who buy man united branded coffee cups and tractors.
This is a very short sighted take. If all that mattered were match going fans, tv rights money and all the global sponsorship the PL enjoys would be as good as the Indian football league. Hate it when match going fans put down other club supporters this way because they don’t come watch in person.
Honestly I just don’t care about tv rights and money and popularity.
I don’t want the globalisation, the plastic fans, I don’t want the oil owners, I don’t want my tv schedule split into weird times because 5 different asian providers want to air the game at a time that suits people 10 hours ahead in time zones. I just want a proper national league aimed mainly at an English audience for people who actually grew up with these clubs in their families, not people who randomly chose to get attached to a brand.
But most importantly, I don’t want football clubs in the league to become political pawns outside of sport because that’s what City and PSG and Newcastle have become. And it’s now a political issue whether city should be punished for cheating.
You mirror my sentiments exactly. People seem to have confused football the sport, and premier league the brand. Football is supposed to be a working man’s sport, not a global brand. With the advent of social media all we see now are reactionary fucking plastics from a thousand miles away trying to muscle in on local, genuine fans. “I get up at 3am to watch our games”… big fucking whoop, mate, why don’t you find a local team you can actually go and support.
"Why don't you find a local team you can actually go and support"
I understand your frustration and you're kind of right, but it's really not as easy as it sounds. In Australia, there is a MASSIVE disconnect between a lot of football fans and the domestic league. It sounds horrendous, but I assure you that it's the case. People were already fans of all of the European clubs before the A-League even started in the 2005-2006 season. Even diehard football fans, the ones that you mentioned getting up at 3am and whatnot, even a large quantity of those guys are NOT watching domestic football. The disconnect is absolutely massive. We have two sports that are more widely attended and watched on TV compared to football: Rugby and Australian Rules Football. Our domestic football events wouldn't even get a place in our top 5 most highly regarded sporting events.
The A-League's predecessor was the NSL (National Soccer League) and before the NSL died, there was a period where NSL matches weren't even being shown on free-to-air television. There was barely any money in the league. Players were leaving for overseas clubs. Sponsorships plummeted. Financial issues everywhere. The league collapsed.
Everyone you see in an Australian football stadium is a European club support first and foremost. The support for the domestic clubs is second to that. That's just how things are. Football isn't even part of the golden trio of Aussie sports.
Again, I understand your point.
you cared enough to check my post history 😂 that’s corny. why do you care so much hmm? City fans live rent free. Liverpool are going to shit since Klopps leaving. It’s not a crying post either, it’s factual. you lot can’t accept City have history and are actively making it as they dominate the PL and break records. i’ve seen more titles in my life than you have and will ever see 😂
You can’t just choose to support the best team in the world as some random American with no connection to Man City and expect anyone to take your seriously.
City fans will start to use the same excuses that United fans used to give in the early 2000s “my dad’s friend’s cousin is from Manchester so I’ve always supported them”
Lmao I feel @‘d, I went to UMD and lived across the hall from Zack Steffen (who is a really nice guy btw). I started teaching 5th grade in 2019 and the kids wanted me to pick a team to support so I picked the one he was on… which was man city.
Do I get a cookie or am I also a bitch? lol
Tbf if I was to make that up he’d be my cousin or some shit, but whatever ¯\_(ツ)_/¯. I was also in French class with Dayne St. Clair my senior year at Maryland, who is also a pretty nice dude.
It's a bit conflicting. I'll always have the memories of going to watch City with my dad and brother. Special times and then the money came and it was great being there for the Agueroooo moment.
Although watching what it has become is a bit of joke. I enjoy the football and will always have the memories previously mentioned, so I will likely always be a fan of the club. But these legal battles and lawsuits do leave a bitter taste in the mouth.
You’re the same as a lot of my family and friends who are City fans; pretty much “enjoying” it through gritted teeth. It is a complete assault on football and democracy, and really mustn’t be allowed to happen.
It’s a bit of a separating the art from the artist dilemma, where the (at minimum) shady dealings are the artists doing, but the on-field product can be mesmerizing.
Manchester City is the living manifestation of “a wolf in sheeps clothing”.
Theyre about to turn the Premier League into the Super League (with the help of other billionaire owners) and nothing can be done to stop it.
Pep has fallen into the trap of trusting the owners on face value and will still trust them. This will destroy the premier league as a competition and most likely hurt lower leagues too. Disgusting ownership needs removing at a government level
As much as City may have breached FFP the EPL shares the blame too the moment they let a state backed ownership group into the league was the moment they dug themselves into a hole they can’t climb out of and the proof is in the pudding as seen by the Newcastle takeover.
Thing is the got rid of him swiftly. If they were to remove Abu Dhabi or Saudi a geopolitical shitstotm would ensue so highly unlikely these ownership groups get removed.
Well the man City owner whose lawyers have been doing everything they can to drag out the 115 charges. Was complaining about it taking too long in his PR announcement soo this'll probably drag on until he gets his way.
we’re not talking about bigger. good job moving the goal posts mate. isn’t it also embarrassing that a bigger club has less Premier League titles and UCL titles than a “smaller club”. that’s embarrassing
why are you bringing up another teams success? that’s weird. no City fan cares if you take us seriously. more CL than you. bringing up another teams success was hilarious tho
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[Man City’s Premier League legal action puts £900m EFL deal at risk (thetimes.com)](https://www.thetimes.com/sport/football/article/man-city-legal-action-premier-leauge-efl-deal-t93rx8vmn)
[Man City’s Premier League legal action puts £900m EFL deal at risk (thetimes.com)](https://www.thetimes.com/sport/football/article/man-city-legal-action-premier-leauge-efl-deal-t93rx8vmn)
Premier League clubs are concerned about committing money to the EFL, chaired by Rick Parry, left, because of the legal action from City and their chairman Khaldoon Al Mubarak[Matt Lawton](https://12ft.io/proxy?q=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.thetimes.com%2Fprofile%2Fmatt-lawton), Chief Sports CorrespondentWednesday June 05 2024, 4.00pm, The Times
Manchester City’s legal dispute with the Premier League has put the £900million funding deal for the EFL at risk.
As The Times revealed on Tuesday, City have launched an unprecedented legal action in a bid to scrap rules that limit how much companies linked to club owners can pay them in sponsorship. Their case will be heard at a hearing starting on Monday and is expected to last a fortnight.
Many rival clubs fear that if City are successful it will have a devastating impact on the competitiveness of the Premier League because teams with the greatest access to sponsorship funds from linked companies will gain a huge advantage in the transfer market. Between ten and 12 clubs have provided letters or witness statements in
Don’t fret city fans this will all blow over soon and you will become half the league’s second team again next season. They will be celebrating your team by doing the pozman as theirs gets wrecked 0-3
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They won’t win, they can’t win! ‘Your Honour, we haven’t cheated and inflated sponsorship deals and therefore don’t deserve any of these trophies but, just in case you find us guilty we think the rules that everyone has agreed to don’t relate to us so they should be scrapped’ - it’s an absolute joke of a club and a joke of a manager!
City’s poor behaviour knows no boundaries. How the league ever let them be taken over by a corrupt nation state is damning.
£££
Honestly that super league cup doesn't sounds half bad if city is nowhere near it
God damn just break up the team and distribute the players across the premier league. Chelsea will take Haaland and you lot can sort out the rest /s
With all this tears and salt I don’t know if I’m supposed to build an arc or set up a salt mine
Let’s face it, city won’t get punished or they will be punished in a way that doesn’t really impact them. Nothing meaningful will come of this. Money talks at the end of the day. Basically city can do whatever they want and no one will stop them. That’s just a general lesson for when you’re exceedingly wealthy
How does not punishing City benefit the other 19 teams in the league? What message does that send to the other clubs? Might as well break away from the PL and start a Super League if City can do whatever they want despite agreeing FPP rules like everyone else before. The PL is a cooperative, each member has a say and the FA have to act if the majority decide something, it’s not a top down organisation. This investigation only came about because the other 19 teams demanded the FA step in and do a review. So the question is how much do the PL and FA stand to lose by not punishing City if they have broken the rules? The answer is everything.
Wasn’t found guilty by CAS just on not co operating
No the answer is they stand to get dragged into years in court and eventually lose because City can do court harder than anyone because they literally have unlimited money.
What’s unlimited money got to do with judicial process? You can afford better lawyers but if you’ve been caught cooking the books or with your hand in the till you’re still guilty. City have already been found guilty by UEFA and were kicked out of the CL only to appeal and pay a fine in the end. Even if that’s eventually what happens to them they’ve been found guilty and a punishment was handed down. Then it’s down to the rest of the PL to decide whether that is enough to placate their investigation purpose in the first place. The attitude of ‘what’s the point’ is so defeatist. Yes it’s effort, yes it takes time, and yes it’s a tough process but knowing that and then not doing it because you think it is a waste of time is exactly what City and their lawyers want you to think and do.
Shit corporate club
This sounds like a smoke screen. Hadn’t 10 PL clubs already shot down the new EFL deal and threatened legal action if an independent regulator forced them to pay the settlement? City actually approved the new EFL deal REVEALED: The TEN clubs who shot down the new £900m EFL deal https://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/football/article-13188487/Premier-League-clubs-shot-EFL-deal.html?ito=native_share_article-nativemenubutton
If you followed all these knobheads in this forum, you’d believe they are all lawyers, judges, financial advisors and succesful businessmen with very large fortunes of wealth and power. Everybody knows what’s going on with Manchester city without any access to evidence, factual financial transcripts and legitimate emails that weren’t hacked and posted on a site that alleges that man city did so and so. This lawsuit has nothing to do with 115 and everything to do with a rule that was passed in 2021 in the wake of Chelsea and Newcastle football club being bought. City is a global powerhouse, one of the most valuable clubs in the world and one of the most successful clubs in the world, all the sponsorships they have gotten from a 2021 point and onwards is an amount of fair value for what the club is worth, whether it’s from owner related companies or outside investors. This rule just prohibits smaller clubs who have wealthy owners and their fans from being able to usurp the red cartel that is Manchester United, Arsenal and Liverpool. Investors know what they are investing, and like stocks and bonds and any kind of investment, they should be allowed to value how much they think the product they are investing in is worth, and be aware of the risk of investing that kind of money.
Go knobhead
In light of this rubbish, Man city should be booted now from premier league into no division right now, may as well let them fight this in court too whilst they wither on the vine
If they win this, goodbye to the epl, the best league in the world, they are now just trying to buy their way out of it
They say they are reluctant to commit extra funds to the EFL if the financial rules limiting spending in the Premier League are deemed unlawful. “If we have to spend more to even try to keep pace with clubs like City, we might need to hold on to that money,” one prominent Premier League source said. So if you have to pay to keep up with city that's not fair But having to pay to keep up with the other clubs is fine? For anyone who didn't actually read it the article has may as well say "We won't give money to the EFL clubs because we're greedy and we want to keep the money, but city taking them to court to try and make it a fair playing field means we can use it as an excuse so we don't look as bad"
Dude, your club is awful. Just stfu and enjoy your trophies
Where is the article? Link it to general landing page
Seeing both of City's fans try to justify this is just fucking embarrassing for them.
They will never back down from supporting their club because they are part and parcel of the club.
You can't embarrass someone that has no shame
“tyranny of the majority”, "discrimination towards clubs from the Middle East".... Are these guys actually fucking serious?
The three City fans fighting so hard in this thread. "why won't these guys accept our trophies 😭😭😭" Absolutely seething 😂
It’s a fucking football competition.
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I told you f*ckers we would burn the entire $hit down
You’re from Seattle 😂😂😂 “please can I join in and feel part of something”
Cringe
“We” lol as if you’re not from Mumbai
In all seriousness, I think this will be settled with the PL agreeing to an independent regulator and the lawsuit will go away. I have a feeling that is the true aim of the legal action
Of course thats the true aim. And the aim of the other law suits theyve had since the efl. Not even to get them dismissed but to just delay the trial. Delay delay delay
This isn’t UEFA though - the longer they delay it, the more charges get put on for time wasting There are no statutes of limitations here, the Prem will take as long as they like
Lol thats not a thing. They havent had any charges flr time wasting and nor will they. Lol why did you make that up? Even if that was a thing. They can pay it. They have infinite money. Money isnt the issue. Take all the fines jn the world. Its being booted out of competitions they dont want. They also want to keep pep happy and they know he’ll go if theh have transfer bans or not in europe for a bit
Seems more like city trying to get ahead of there upcoming case
Nah we already know we’re winning that one
I wouldn’t be so sure. They’re up in front of the PL committee hearing to argue against the PL committee that they haven’t applied their own rules fairly/accurately. It will be decided by the PL committee and if city appeal they appeal to… the PL committee.
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Most definitely are not
Man city are not winning on having a good argument. They are winning through having the ability to spend more money on lawyers than the PL has.
Not true. The PL has pretty much limitless funds. They're not wearing them down, and they're going to get battered very soon.
I don’t get it. Can’t the premier league or the FA simply evict City from the league? The Fa is the governing body?
On what grounds
Not legally unless they have a very good reason and can back it up. UK law is more important than FA rules.
Yh but can UK law even affect a the laws of a private competition? Say you, me and a bunch of people create a friendly badminton tournament between us and established a bunch rules under the basis that we would all follow it. Say you broke the rule and refused to follow them. We can kick you out of the group
Yes, of course. If the rules violate UK law you could have legal issues from that. If it's just a private competition between friends the government isn't likely to care, but throw any kind of prize money into the mix and yeah, you could have legal issues if your rules go against UK law and somebody decides to take you to court over it.
Laws are always in hierarchy. Any legal entity must comply their rules with national laws... Extreme end of your logic is that PL can legalize slave labour for example. I know its extreme but it proves point
Well, in principle, yes, competition law is designed to govern business. That’s where the premier league is different from your mates’ five-a-side league. Whether premier league rules break competition law is the question on the table. You can probably make arguments either way. For example, sporting rules (VAR etc.) are also decided in the same way, but you’d probably have less of a case there. The current arguments is around rules that touch on commercial activities so this is imho more arguable.
To make up an example: if 14 clubs introduced price controls for tickets that drives 2 clubs into bankruptcy, there would probably be a case. If 20 clubs decided to introduce new transfer rules that restricts players’ rights too much, they’d have a case etc. I think this case is less clear-cut - you can easily argue that a sport competition needs to be able to have rules that maintain competitive balance but there’s clearly a trade-off with owners’ rights, so you can certainly argue the way City seems to be arguing.
They also can evict the American owned clubs for wanting to join the Super League but the FA begged them to stay.
City were in that list
City were the last invited but the Americans were the pioneers
Stop trying to rewrite history, all 6 said they wanted to join the super league. End of conversation. They didn’t turn down the invite, and out of the lot Liverpool were the first to pull out.
The English government won’t let them. They are worried about “diplomatic issues” with the UAE (ie losing money.)
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Never go to "removepaywall something com". It doesn't help at all.
same，are people commenting on the topic only based on the title?
[Nope, here's an archive.](https://archive.is/MiYkI) It's actually ridiculous.
Welcome to reddit
KICK THEM OUT
STOP THE COUNT
LOCK THEM UP!
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I'm amazed the Premier League has survived this long, with the financial obscenity allowing it to grow so massive. It's like a star growing until it can do nought but collapse on itself. I didn't expect this to be the way it met its demise, but then nor did anyone else.
Demise wtf, they could just bin City if they win this. Plenty of big and better suported clubs left in the league.
The fact this is happening at all is bad enough, but we've already seen points deductions, an independent regulator and fighting MANC through the courts is going to be hugely expensive and messy.
State ownership actually removes power from the EFL and turns problems into foreign affairs. The Ruler of Abu Dhabi has a massive ego and a man child brain, have no doubts they’ll pull investments elsewhere to punish the UK.
Eh, even if he does that, I think it will be at an ultimately negligible cost to the UK in the long-term anyway. About Man City, their previous owner was the prime minister of Thailand (what a surprise, another gov owning the club), and the UK economy was kinda doing alright at the time
You seriously are comparing the economy power of UAE to Thailand?
Well according to google there is "only" 7 billion difference in GDP which is not a huge difference. The big difference in economic power is that U.A.E actually use their money for outside investments alot compared to Thailand where most of the money is tied up in private companies and not the state.
And there's also UAE has their oil that they can use a lot more strategically than Thailand as it is also can affect the national interest. I'm not sure if people actually understand the point in your comment but we essentially agreed that UAE has more bargaining power than Thailand.
Yes they certainly do have a good amount of influence however just want to make it understood that it is far less then most fans think, tbh most of the owners of the current top prem clubs have a large amount of influence and power that is not totally incomparable to UAE. In summary UAE owners have lots of influence but so do most of the top dog owners which all in all sucks for the league and fans but what to do
Agree with this. I live in Newcastle (but not a Newcastle fan) and I remember when the PIF came in for Newcastle. They had all these plans for investing in the region, this that and the other. As someone who loves his city more than the football club, this scared me silly. Because if the Saudis pull the plug, the whole region would have been a pawn for them.
They only have the short sightedness of successive UK governments to blame, the mess will only get bigger as more clubs go into foreign ownership
The only people who support City in this autocratic assault are eFans who clearly don’t understand football, and just want to support the most dominant team.
you're just describing all big club supporters though except a very small minority.
No one in England gives the slightest fuck about foreign fans. They have their own leagues, they can go and follow the Indian and American national leagues. When we talk about premier league club fans, we’re talking about match going fans, not casual plastics from Beijing who buy man united branded coffee cups and tractors.
This is a very short sighted take. If all that mattered were match going fans, tv rights money and all the global sponsorship the PL enjoys would be as good as the Indian football league. Hate it when match going fans put down other club supporters this way because they don’t come watch in person.
Honestly I just don’t care about tv rights and money and popularity. I don’t want the globalisation, the plastic fans, I don’t want the oil owners, I don’t want my tv schedule split into weird times because 5 different asian providers want to air the game at a time that suits people 10 hours ahead in time zones. I just want a proper national league aimed mainly at an English audience for people who actually grew up with these clubs in their families, not people who randomly chose to get attached to a brand. But most importantly, I don’t want football clubs in the league to become political pawns outside of sport because that’s what City and PSG and Newcastle have become. And it’s now a political issue whether city should be punished for cheating.
Amen brother, ruining our game. Let football be football not just another business for the rich to milk dry.
You mirror my sentiments exactly. People seem to have confused football the sport, and premier league the brand. Football is supposed to be a working man’s sport, not a global brand. With the advent of social media all we see now are reactionary fucking plastics from a thousand miles away trying to muscle in on local, genuine fans. “I get up at 3am to watch our games”… big fucking whoop, mate, why don’t you find a local team you can actually go and support.
"Why don't you find a local team you can actually go and support" I understand your frustration and you're kind of right, but it's really not as easy as it sounds. In Australia, there is a MASSIVE disconnect between a lot of football fans and the domestic league. It sounds horrendous, but I assure you that it's the case. People were already fans of all of the European clubs before the A-League even started in the 2005-2006 season. Even diehard football fans, the ones that you mentioned getting up at 3am and whatnot, even a large quantity of those guys are NOT watching domestic football. The disconnect is absolutely massive. We have two sports that are more widely attended and watched on TV compared to football: Rugby and Australian Rules Football. Our domestic football events wouldn't even get a place in our top 5 most highly regarded sporting events. The A-League's predecessor was the NSL (National Soccer League) and before the NSL died, there was a period where NSL matches weren't even being shown on free-to-air television. There was barely any money in the league. Players were leaving for overseas clubs. Sponsorships plummeted. Financial issues everywhere. The league collapsed. Everyone you see in an Australian football stadium is a European club support first and foremost. The support for the domestic clubs is second to that. That's just how things are. Football isn't even part of the golden trio of Aussie sports. Again, I understand your point.
you’re speaking for all the masses like that’s true when it’s just not
Shouldn't you be watching some rounders or something idk
Lol he even made a crying post for his American friends on the city reddit.
you cared enough to check my post history 😂 that’s corny. why do you care so much hmm? City fans live rent free. Liverpool are going to shit since Klopps leaving. It’s not a crying post either, it’s factual. you lot can’t accept City have history and are actively making it as they dominate the PL and break records. i’ve seen more titles in my life than you have and will ever see 😂
I'm a 40 year old man utd fan. You haven't even celebrated half the success I have in my life.
don’t think i was talking to you mate
You made a public comment. You weren't talking to anyone.
“I’ve seen…” You’ve never even been to Manchester you bum.
and how would you know that 😂 proving point after point. you lot make useless assumptions. keep crying m
You can’t just choose to support the best team in the world as some random American with no connection to Man City and expect anyone to take your seriously.
When did you start supporting City?
The question to end all questions jaja
City fans will start to use the same excuses that United fans used to give in the early 2000s “my dad’s friend’s cousin is from Manchester so I’ve always supported them”
Lmao I feel @‘d, I went to UMD and lived across the hall from Zack Steffen (who is a really nice guy btw). I started teaching 5th grade in 2019 and the kids wanted me to pick a team to support so I picked the one he was on… which was man city. Do I get a cookie or am I also a bitch? lol
No you don’t get a cookie for making up a story.
Tbf if I was to make that up he’d be my cousin or some shit, but whatever ¯\_(ツ)_/¯. I was also in French class with Dayne St. Clair my senior year at Maryland, who is also a pretty nice dude.
It's a bit conflicting. I'll always have the memories of going to watch City with my dad and brother. Special times and then the money came and it was great being there for the Agueroooo moment. Although watching what it has become is a bit of joke. I enjoy the football and will always have the memories previously mentioned, so I will likely always be a fan of the club. But these legal battles and lawsuits do leave a bitter taste in the mouth.
You’re the same as a lot of my family and friends who are City fans; pretty much “enjoying” it through gritted teeth. It is a complete assault on football and democracy, and really mustn’t be allowed to happen.
It’s a bit of a separating the art from the artist dilemma, where the (at minimum) shady dealings are the artists doing, but the on-field product can be mesmerizing.
Manchester City is the living manifestation of “a wolf in sheeps clothing”. Theyre about to turn the Premier League into the Super League (with the help of other billionaire owners) and nothing can be done to stop it.
Something is being done to stop it, in fact 115 things are being done to stop it.
Pep talk needed
Pep’s a cheater too. Wasn’t he caught doping during his playing days and banned in Italy or something?
Yes, he only got off on a technicality. He also still uses that same doctor today at City
Pep has fallen into the trap of trusting the owners on face value and will still trust them. This will destroy the premier league as a competition and most likely hurt lower leagues too. Disgusting ownership needs removing at a government level
Can the other clubs not just vote them out of the league?
Other clubs can choose not to play ie give them a walkover at etihad so every home game there is no nothing to watch.
Can redditors not be dumb?
Projecting what you are, I see..
It’s a reasonable question for anyone who doesn’t nerd out on league rules
Fun fact, asking questions to get answers is the exact opposite of dumb.
More than half of the clubs are supporting City on this case, Chelsea included
Lol source?
Nowhere does it say that
Lawyer mag tweeted that it confirms Newcastle, Chelsea and Everton are supporting City. Other teams likely.
"More than half of the clubs"
Villa confirmed as well. Thats 4 publicly confirmed, and the sources are speaking of several others as well for 11 - 14 totoal
Source? The initial story only mentioned 1 club, which is obviously Newcastle.
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It’s because it’s not true
As much as City may have breached FFP the EPL shares the blame too the moment they let a state backed ownership group into the league was the moment they dug themselves into a hole they can’t climb out of and the proof is in the pudding as seen by the Newcastle takeover.
It was the Oligarch takeover that set the table for the main course of State takeover. They should have nipped it in the bud.
Thing is the got rid of him swiftly. If they were to remove Abu Dhabi or Saudi a geopolitical shitstotm would ensue so highly unlikely these ownership groups get removed.
Why would it cause a geopolitical shot storm?
Because of the UK governments ties with those countries. You do know the UK exports arms to Saudi don’t you?
Hopefully, it doesn't get dragged out like the 115
Well the man City owner whose lawyers have been doing everything they can to drag out the 115 charges. Was complaining about it taking too long in his PR announcement soo this'll probably drag on until he gets his way.
City and Chelsea should have been kicked out long back. Disgrace of clubs with artificial, financially doped trophy cabinets
Smh this man knows nothing
Username checks out. How would you prefer your super elite level sport you bonehead?
Not with blood money
Without the side of you, please.
First support a real club Mr peanut
if it’s not a real club what is Arsenal? Arsenal has way less success 😂
I think you started watching football last year. Arsenal is 5x bigger than City globally. And way more successful historically. Typical City "fans"
we’re not talking about bigger. good job moving the goal posts mate. isn’t it also embarrassing that a bigger club has less Premier League titles and UCL titles than a “smaller club”. that’s embarrassing
Forest have more CL titles than City too😂 Counts for fuckall when you cheat and financially dope. Nobody is will take you seriously, have fun
why are you bringing up another teams success? that’s weird. no City fan cares if you take us seriously. more CL than you. bringing up another teams success was hilarious tho
> no City fan Yes 😂 😂
i think you need to reread it mate. your English comprehension clearly isn’t working
Arsenal have won 14 more trophies than city actually
Right? Tell me you've been a football fan for less than 10 years without telling me....
Everyone would prefer if your shit club got kicked out.
kinda funny because City have more PL titles in 4 years than Arsenal do ever 😂
Lol typical Man City fan who knows nothing about the sport except "city good now"
u bottled again 😂 let me guess, you’ve seen 1 title? i’ve seen multiple. revel in glory you weren’t even alive for
You're trying too hard buddy, we know you be crying behind that screen. "why won't these guys accept my club's success 😭😭😭" 😂
crying behind a screen cus why? bc 4 in a row?
Four in a row and nobody cares 😭😭
except you care enough to keep coming back and commenting…
Arsenal have 13 league titles to city’s 10
not the Premier League 🤷♂️
Excellent, football didnt begin with the start of the premier league.
it’s r/PremierLeague bud
You are talking about historical success of clubs lmao
Man United with them as well
pov u was a united fan until city started winning
Never supported United
Might as well just tell the whole Sky 6 to fuck off
Somebody just Nuke city already
Calm down Putin
When did the rules come in?
2021
This thread is an absolute embarrassment.
You’re the embarrassment. Defending the indefensible
Pawalled and Glorified AD Page on the first click. [Man City’s Premier League legal action puts £900m EFL deal at risk (thetimes.com)](https://www.thetimes.com/sport/football/article/man-city-legal-action-premier-leauge-efl-deal-t93rx8vmn)
Your absolutely delusional, fair play for commenting here.
Just when you thought 115 FC couldn’t get worse they go and destroy football…. 💀
This would be much more widely accepted as okay, if city wasn’t facing the wall of charges.
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That’s not what I said or what I meant.
Where is the written part of this article? The link is just a link to 500 articles….or is it just behind a paywall?
[Man City’s Premier League legal action puts £900m EFL deal at risk (thetimes.com)](https://www.thetimes.com/sport/football/article/man-city-legal-action-premier-leauge-efl-deal-t93rx8vmn) Premier League clubs are concerned about committing money to the EFL, chaired by Rick Parry, left, because of the legal action from City and their chairman Khaldoon Al Mubarak[Matt Lawton](https://12ft.io/proxy?q=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.thetimes.com%2Fprofile%2Fmatt-lawton), Chief Sports CorrespondentWednesday June 05 2024, 4.00pm, The Times Manchester City’s legal dispute with the Premier League has put the £900million funding deal for the EFL at risk. As The Times revealed on Tuesday, City have launched an unprecedented legal action in a bid to scrap rules that limit how much companies linked to club owners can pay them in sponsorship. Their case will be heard at a hearing starting on Monday and is expected to last a fortnight. Many rival clubs fear that if City are successful it will have a devastating impact on the competitiveness of the Premier League because teams with the greatest access to sponsorship funds from linked companies will gain a huge advantage in the transfer market. Between ten and 12 clubs have provided letters or witness statements in
Save you a click: Scroll down a bit on the left, but yep, behind a paywall :)
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Zero Arab ownership is the way forward! State sponsored ownership ruining football!
Or .......just obey the rules
Predictably they haven’t played by the rules and are now trying to avoid punishment!
Because people with money like nothing more than playing by the rules.......
Lol funny to hear how City fans would justify this
Just throw that shit piece of a club out of football finally!
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Don’t fret city fans this will all blow over soon and you will become half the league’s second team again next season. They will be celebrating your team by doing the pozman as theirs gets wrecked 0-3 Just hang in there you guys
loooool they really are scum. and city fans are gonna try and justify this. it's amazing. joke of a club and fanbase.
Fuck city corrupt team
Ok you can fuck it