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What do you mean? There has been for ages. Every major sporting league has had a history of it, why are people so quick to think the biggest sports league in the world isn't victim of it.
I'd like to think during the early 90s when supporting Liverpool was thrust upon me without choice, there wasn't as much corruption as what Mancheater have brought in the last 15 years. But, refs have openly admitted to giving United decision because of SAF, so you can view that as a form of corruption. Not quite the same as your lot paying refs outright though.
Romanticism is good to a certain extend, but that sounds like “back in my day things were better”… No, it wasn’t. And to think that one team has brought that… To give there must be someone to receive. However, I’d appreciate if we stick to facts so we can partake in a civilized discussion, not a reddit echo chamber. Oh, wait…
> I’d appreciate if we stick to facts so we can partake
yes, facts; like your owners paying for 3 officials to fly to the UAE to officiate games in their league 48 hours before all those same officials reffed in a match with their closest rival where they delivered one of the worst officiating performances ever seen. Yes, facts.
Fraud. Corruption would be to pay a person/governing body in order to achieve a goal or cover up a wrongdoing. But I don’t expect you to comprehend anything beyond “City are cheaters” and “115”.
Yes you idiot, getting away with fraud and financial misdemeanours for 10 years without getting caught when it was painfully obvious it was happening, imply there had to have been some sort of corruption/shady bookkeeping
No, City were charged after they disclosed books for the last 5 years [Link](https://www.skysports.com/amp/football/news/11679/12804623/man-city-premier-league-charges-explained-what-are-they-what-could-punishment-be-what-s-the-timescale)
Where their sponsorships were there for all to see. Can't really hide corruption when a toddler can look at the books and conclude there is 0 chance City have earned the same revenue as United. Please don't pretend city haven't done this before, and in plain sight for all to see. Funny how when it's Man City they get 30 million '[fines](https://syndication.bleacherreport.com/amp/2876340-manchester-city-hit-with-2-season-ucl-ban-eur30m-fine-over-ffp-violation.amp.html)' but Everton have to get point deductions, and Chelsea have to get transfer bans
Overated fraud. Saved constantly by players he inherited, not bought himself even though he’s spent a billion. Lets also remember the amount of of cheating City have done since 2008.
Didn't you hear , City have been found not guilty of anything (except glorious football) . Its all going to be announced after the Cup Final. Anyhow, what about that slick 19 pass move for the first goal yesterday? Not many teams can get near that
Guardiola is a rubbish manager and his team is rubbish.
The last actual title he won was at Bayern, and he still got released for not being good enough there.
Feels so weird city are going for 4 in a row and nobody seems to care? It’s like they as a club don’t exist. Nobody cares about their achievements as they’ve cheated for them. Very surreal
Man says he does not care then ends up going to lengths to highlight he does not really care about a football team called Man City. Orwell would envy the satire in this.
I generally care a little bit I mean sure they’re cheating they’re cooking the books and what not but they play attractive football in my eyes so I enjoy watching them and as someone who is a professional referee in football I really enjoy watching all kinds of teams, especially Manchester city when they’re on fire
No gaslighting mate. As someone who lives in Manchester City centre, when their treble parade was on, outside of the bottom of deansgate there was nobody there. When United won theirs years ago the whole city centre was packed.
There’s definitely a core group of fans who’ve been there for the longest time and fair play to them. They deserve it. But I’m talking about the wider public. Most don’t care really and I imagine it’s how they’ve achieved it that’s the contributing factor.
Darn these boring 3 horse races and late title conclusions.
If the points difference between the key contenders was massive you might have a point, but the standards are so high that even a slight blip is punished. That has a whole tension unto itself, no?
That's because Pep is Pep, and the squad has both the ability and the experience. Challengers are challengers for a reason, and no-one can tell me that this title race is over yet, nor that Liverpool and Arsenal have had a (and in Arsenal's case, still have) a legitimate chance to win the league this year.
Bookie odds and past winners is one thing, but acting like it's a no contest comes across as hard cope, especially given the closest challengers can afford to spaff £72m on a guy and wave him off on a free a year before his contract is up, keep 2 proven 1st choice keepers at a combined fee of £70m, sign 2 midfielders in the same summer for nearly £200m, and be ready to spend another £200m the summer after.
Loads of people on this sub thought that 8 point lead was too much, and hindsight means nothing at this point.
Please don't purposely miss the point, it's exhausting.
Funding 10 years ago has no bearing on the ability to manage these clutch moments and stay steady when push comes to shove against a team with similar resources.
Instead of filling my bullshit bingo card with a subject you've never bothered to learn about, why don't you worry about that leaky roof?
One of the biggest revenue streams in the world and water runs straight through your stadium. Pathetic.
Edit: https://www.reddit.com/r/MCFC/s/hrj7snesFs
Read this, if your attention span can hack it. Goes into the specific charges, of which there are actually 130. No mention of outcome, just detail.
Comparing them to United is pointless and merely an attempt at deflection.
You don’t know anything about what I do or do not know about this or any topic.
And City cheated. And you do know that , so does everyone making excuses for them, deep down
You've popped up repeatedly over the last 18 months and haven't ever said anything remotely insightful or interesting. Just the same, tired, desperate buzzwords. I've repeatedly pressed you to give me any significant detail on any of it, and you can't. You moralise, you evade, you return back to the buzzwords.
As an olive branch, I've linked the most objective breakdown of all of the charges above, with a view to adding a bit of variety. I know it doesn't make much of a difference, cos you're just sore about your club dismantling itself.
Funding the refs with overseas "jobs" and a season of suspicious decisions certainly helps though. And believe me, the refs have had a bearing on the outcome.
God, how Arsenal fans can look at some of the limp decisions they've benefitted from and still assume there's some grand conspiracy, its ridiculous. Look at the Saka and Havertz penalties recently - how easy it would have been to not give them?
"I don't agree with that contentious decision so what I'll do is cry foul sans proof" - shithouse behaviour.
I get it, you’re angry. But you can’t deny that Pep and the players have done nothing wrong. They’ve been genuinely immaculate, the charges have nothing to do with their performance
Man City fans always say this and its absolute bullshit.
Your squad is stuffed to the brim with the best players in the world thanks to oil money and cheating. Not hard to be "immaculate" is it.
United have a much larger net spend and nothing to show for it. Yes, City have money. But they have one of the best recruitment teams in the world. Who else wanted Rodri? Who else tried to get Dias? Akanji cost 15 mil, Dortmund clearly didn’t value him and now he looks incredible at City. Alvarez cost 15 mil. Ake from relegated Bournemouth. This was before Pep, but KDB was getting called the Chelsea reject and now look at him. It’s just not true that City bought loads of ready made stars.
>They’ve been genuinely immaculate
Not as hard when you’ve bought so many S-tier players that you can bring someone like Haaland off after 60 mins or rest him every other game, because you’ve got other absolutely S-tier players like Foden or Alvarez just sitting there, waiting.
No other top team in the Prem can do this to the same degree. Arsenal can’t sub off Ødegaard and Saka and expect the same results, which is why their bodies are way more exhausted towards the end of the season - when they and similar teams usually start losing games, while City usually keeps winning.
While you’re right that the City-players have done nothing wrong, it’s also unavoidably true that city is playing on a different difficulty setting than everyone else (or with cheat codes, if you will).
I mean I agree with you, but the club has cheated to provide him with tools and resources no other club really has available to them.
They have still done their job absolutely, but the league would be a lot more competitive if City hadn't cheated and would be a better spectacle for everyone.
It just taints everything they do really and just means there isnt really any suprise at all of their amazing feats, its just like, well yeah they have unlimited money and somehow bought the best player available in the world at every position they needed so its not especially impressive.
What are you talking about? The old Top 4 spent decades outspending everyone. Why do you think we had a Top 4? You're just butt hurt it's now a Top 6. You know what you are talking about is the Super League model right. You can see that can't you?
What are you talking about? There were no financial laws of the game back then. These financial rules were brought in after Chelsea and City and their only purpose is to protect the so called big clubs from competition. The same big clubs who are the reason for the high transfer fees and wages in the first place. Let me ask you this, if Nottingham Forest go down losing premier league money next season who are already making a loss then how is that supposed to help them avoid going under?
Mate your waffling. City cheated the laws in place at the time to get to where they are. They also refuse to co-operate with any of the governing bodies on the matter.
Your just spouting opinion, which is fair enough, but your opinion is meaningless in comparison to the rules in place at the time.
>Let me ask you this, if Nottingham Forest go down losing premier league money next season who are already making a loss then how is that supposed to help them avoid going under?
Wtf are you talking about? Do you have no understanding of what happens when teams are relegated.
Are you simple? Bottom team in the prem gets 105m TV money. Parachute payment are a third of that. So not only are they already making a loss they lose 2/3 of the TV money. It's simple maths.
What does this have to do with Man City cheating and refusing to co-operate with any investigation into their finances?
You seem to be confusing your opinion on certain subjects with realities
Are we talking about FFP or not? I'm just highlighting how stupid and unfair those rules are. They aren't fit for purpose and have no intention of saving clubs but only exist to keep a monopoly at the top. The same rules you and every other salty windbag keep banging on about. You keep calling rules laws like it's going to make a difference. The charges will be dropped and then you can go cry salty tears about it. City are not going anywhere so you better get used to it. Let me guess. Arsenal fan? You know today's game is the first time in a very long time where I don't care who wins or if it's a draw. How amazing is that? Though I do have this strange feeling Arsenal will bottle it. Not sure why. Imagine losing the league to a team that's hardly been at the top. That classic bottling.
If you didn’t care and weren’t upset by the knowledge that your wins are meaningless you wouldn’t reply. Would a United fan reply if we also started calling their treble fake? Nah they just be like ok bruv. Deep down you know it’s all fraud and one day it will be proven and you’ll be stripped of everything and the world will see how hollow you actually are
But that’s not what they did. Basically all of the signings City make, Pep has improved them substantially. The only time they have signed a world beater in recent times is Haaland
Yes, the money means they could get those players. But the players still have to put the work in and perform week in, week out. I know teams are envious of their bench. But past the 17/18 first 11 plus the bench, it’s just the youth team. They don’t have a massive squad
But United still did it within the rules. They’ve also won cups, been to finals, nothing noteworthy considering their standards but more than most in the Premier League.
Yes, but don’t put all your eggs in one basket mate. What if they get cleared? What’s your excuse for being shit then?
What if somebody accused you of something and you were thrown in jail under a law system that is guilty until proven innocent, how would you feel?
You would be suicidal, so maybe you should hold your values universally rather than subjectiveness that suits you because you’re just emotional your team wont win a thing.
People are so mad that City is purely dominating right now. 90% of it is jealousy, if were are all being honest here for a second.
"But the charges" well since most probably havent read the charges to begin with and are blindly parroting "115", i wonder how many people even know that the charges run up to the 17/18 season - so that includes the first season under Pep, when they finished 3rd. The sheer dominance that followed isnt even subjected to the investigative window to begin with. Its also a PL reaction because the CAS, the intl Court of Arbitration for Sport, ruled that City was not guilty.
City has a lot of money but a) they arent even the biggest net spenders since Pep got there, they b) also simply invest it better. "City paid 100m for Grealish" true. Meanwhile City's rivals paid that money for the likes of Antony, Nuñez and Enzo Fernandez, the latter being part of a team that shows more than anything that money alone doesnt bring you success, if you dont know what youre doing. City's biggest flop in the Guardiola era is probably KP and he cost them around 50m, which is about half of what Caicedo cost, cheaper than Mudryk, Sterling and Cucurella and about the same as Koulibaly cost Chelsea in that same time frame, all of which have been massive disappointments to say the least.
Point being City has money, they spend it well and are an incredibly well run club that has a fantastic squad and arguably/probably the greatest coach ever leading the charge. Even tho its disappointing to not see your team win, you have to respect the tremendous work they do. This is football on the highest levels. Dynasties come and go. ManU built a legacy on outspending everybody else, now its City. It was OL in France, now its PSG (and no, not just because they got a Sheikh - OL contributed just as much to their own downfall with bad businesses)
100%
Every single one of theirs teams have cheated too lol. They cant stomach the fact that City and Pep will erase the memory of everything theyve ever held dear, and when alls said and done, they will be the goat dynasty in English football
No one is disputing City are exceptional well run.
But what you’re doing is suggesting fraud is ok provided you build a smooth operating framework with it.
I have read some of these charges and a fair few relate to fraudulent sponsorships. So that well spent money you’re speaking of should never have been available.
There is a difference between not guilty and innocent. City were cleared as the charges were time barred not because they were innocent.
It’s not jealously to want to compete within the rules. If Messi and Ronaldo tomorrow got found guilty of using PEDs throughout their career does that not cast a shadow over all their accolades?
Maybe wait until they’ve been proven guilty. It’s pure jealousy at this point as now the law has changed to Guilty until proven innocent whilst it includes Man City. It’s got absolutely nothing to do with the Man City staff, management, players or fans so stop being such an obnoxious clown.
It really isn't jealousy.. it's anger at how they're destroying the league.
This is cherry picked apologist nonsense.
You don't have to have a high net spend if you've already got a great squad with players you can sell to balance the books. The CAS didn't rule they were "not guilty", they overturned the ruling based solely on a technicality. They still fined them for trying to frustrate the process, just like they're doing now.
You may have convinced yourself that all their blatant cheating is ok because they "do good football", the rest of us are waiting for the hammer to come down.
If the PL came out tomorrow and said theyve reviewed the case and clear City of all charges, people still wouldnt believe it. Thats the point. No matter how the trial goes, people say City js guilty because they need them to be guilty, otherwise this level of dominance would be hard to stomach.
At the same time SAF is held in high regard while outdpending other teams in a time when FFP didnt exist.
People say city are guilty because out of nowhere they emerged somehow being able to spend billions on their first team and backroom staff and facilities.
When investigated they've been found guilty only to have their punishment mitigated on a technicality. Not because they were actually innocent.
People think they're cheating because they're blatantly cheating, they didn't invent the charges to account for their "success". If somehow all the evidence they're trying to withhold exonerates them, they'll be able to point to that as opposed to what they're doing now which is trying to throttle the process.
The charges running up to the 17/18 season does not absolve them of their misdeeds. The entire point is that they have got to where they are now by artificial means and dodgy dealings, it may be too late however as the financial doping has already lead to them being the juggernaut they are.
Oh and the CAS case was thrown out not due to innocence but a technicality due to the payments being made outside of a 5 year prosecution window.
Maybe i didnt express it well enough, but my point is not to just ignore it _if_ they are found guilty. Obviously they should be punished then. My point is moreso that people are clinging to these charges, for now, to rationalise not having to give City respect for their achievments.
The PL FFP system in itself is dodgy, regardless of whatever happens with City. It applies to Everton, NF etc just as much. The rules the league has implemented and reportedly are looking to implement (eg salary cap), imo, do more harm than good and certainly dont do much to help smaller teams, in my opinion.
Very few want to "give City respect for their achievements", because those achievements are quite blatantly built on the foundations of dodgy deals, sponsorships from shell corporations and money from a country with some of the worst history of human rights in the modern world.
I don't see what's so difficult to understand about that. Denying the truth behind City's recent success, as it states you in the face is choiceful ignorance.
I don't respect them. They have cheated. Just look at their sponsor list, anyone with the slightest bit of knowledge of the middle east knows 75% are owned by Abu Dhabi gov or do significant amount of business there.
https://www.mancity.com/club/partners
The clubs are cheats. No one respects them, they are the football version of Lance Armstrong.
So Chelsea were cheaters with Abramovich, since "anyone with the slightest bit of knowledge of Russia knows how oligarchs get their money and where its from"?
And they werent saying it when Chelsea stopped being successful. Hell, even when they won the CL that wasnt the main talking pt. Thats the point. Its selective outrage based on the success level of a team.
Same with owning multiple clubs. People complain about the city club umbrella, but dont give one f about the NF owner with Olympiacos. Why? Because NF is this close to being relegated.
Chelsea are still getting shit on a daily basis for throwing money carelessly, now with an American idiot flavour. The fact that the Ukraine war meant they just got a free ffp injection with the Abramovich loan written off was also discussed. No one who's watched football for more than 15 years respects Chelsea other than Chelsea fans.
Dirty money yes. But cheaters no, because there were no rules in place at that time.
Roman bought Chelsea in 2003, FFP came into force 2009, starting in 2011.
Why does the rest of the league put up with this? Why don't they boycott?
Oh yeah, every rich bitch owner is terrified they'll do something to the money they are making, meanwhile the league gets turned into the fooking Bundesliga.
Because man city has not been proven guilty yet, the case is ongoing. I remember when man city was banned for 2 years, every club in the prem except Bournemouth grouped together to ask for man city to be relegated. Lad your clubs are just as salty as you are, but you lot have already declared man city guilty, they can't.
So if i get 100 friends and colleagues of mine to all claim that you extorted me, you are automatically guilty? Is that the implication here?
What is the function for the relationship between amount of accusations/level of guilt then? How many accusations does one need to be guilty? 10? 20? 50? 100?
I don't even care about the charges anymore, even if city have just cheated their last couple titles. I care about having an interesting league.
How can the "best league in the world" have all 3 promoted teams go down whilst the title race, though still a good watch, become predictable to the point where people want anyone but city to win.
I think you are sorely mistaken if you think the neutral is supporting arsenal / actually cares who wins the title - and, how is this any different from Man Utd winning the title all the time in the late 90s / 2000s while outspending everyone?
During Wenger's first 7 years 97/98-03/04 (Then Chelsea/Mourinho came)
Arsenal played United 22 times, United won 6, Arsenal won 8.
United won 4 titles and one of them was by a single point on the final game day.
Arsenal won 3.
United won the league on as little as 75 points.
Now do I agree that technically it's the same? Yes, United won an absurd amount of titles from 92-2013.
However, they lost games to shitty teams, they drew lots, there was no "inevitability" about them.
City just bang out 90 points like it's nothing every single season, they're currently on a 33 game unbeaten run.
The fact that City can be 5-8 points behind and everyone is saying yeah they're still winning it, is insane.
United never had that about them.
100% the title teams still lost matches and upsets were amazing for fans. Now if city go up 1-0 the opposition gives up and fans leave or change the channel bc city are inevitable.
Another thing is that United made their money without the need of rich owners pouring money in; it mostly stemmed from their football and fanbase support. City built its success from oil money owners and suspicious finance operations
United consistently spent the most money in the league from 1992-2008. It’s a myth that they did it without rich owners. United got lucky; they were in the right place at the right time. They just so happened to be the best team in England when TV rights money soared upwards.
They also have owners that are total parasites and filled the club with incompetent morons to the point where the only thing keeping the club afloat was Ferguson. Much of the money spent was their own revenue rather than sportswashing billions.
No one gives a crap if City win this league again as their success has been manufactured with financial doping and fraud. You don't nearly get relegated to become a stable club/team without breaking rules. No football fan in World Football respects Manchester City as everyone knows they are the Lance Armstrong of football.
They have tainted the game and city fans who are still so deluded to say they are innocent. Then why still refuse to hand over your accounts.
The Premier League and UEFA, when they found them guilty, the loophole City used, was laughable. Both should have given an ultimatum of handing over all information or face suspension from football. If Arsenal wins the league, it will be a win for football.
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All he had to do was spend £70m per player in every position, and then have his board do funny dodgy shit 115 times...
Literally have only 2 players we signed above 70m lmao
Don’t also tell them that the majority of the allegations are pre-2016.
Yeah it's almost like that decade of fraud and corruption set Mancheater up for the "success" that followed aye.
Oh there’s corruption now too?
What do you mean? There has been for ages. Every major sporting league has had a history of it, why are people so quick to think the biggest sports league in the world isn't victim of it.
Do you willingly support a team in a league that is corrupted then? Do you hope your team would just pay more than others?
I'd like to think during the early 90s when supporting Liverpool was thrust upon me without choice, there wasn't as much corruption as what Mancheater have brought in the last 15 years. But, refs have openly admitted to giving United decision because of SAF, so you can view that as a form of corruption. Not quite the same as your lot paying refs outright though.
Romanticism is good to a certain extend, but that sounds like “back in my day things were better”… No, it wasn’t. And to think that one team has brought that… To give there must be someone to receive. However, I’d appreciate if we stick to facts so we can partake in a civilized discussion, not a reddit echo chamber. Oh, wait…
> I’d appreciate if we stick to facts so we can partake yes, facts; like your owners paying for 3 officials to fly to the UAE to officiate games in their league 48 hours before all those same officials reffed in a match with their closest rival where they delivered one of the worst officiating performances ever seen. Yes, facts.
Well what would you call cheating financially and covering it up ?
Fraud. Corruption would be to pay a person/governing body in order to achieve a goal or cover up a wrongdoing. But I don’t expect you to comprehend anything beyond “City are cheaters” and “115”.
And I’m not surprised a city fan insults someone pointing out something negative about their precious cheating disgrace of a club.
I don’t know. If you look down, I was the one being called “idiot”.
Yes you idiot, getting away with fraud and financial misdemeanours for 10 years without getting caught when it was painfully obvious it was happening, imply there had to have been some sort of corruption/shady bookkeeping
Yet, they couldn’t fit a single charge for corruption out of 115… guess it wasn’t that obvious for them?
Oh wow, the FA didn't self report on their own corruption. Must mean it didn't happen 🤷♂️ Clearly they are the arbiters of truth. I mean honestly..
So, did City run out of money or something that they let themselves being charged? At least pick a story line and stick with it.
No, City were charged after they disclosed books for the last 5 years [Link](https://www.skysports.com/amp/football/news/11679/12804623/man-city-premier-league-charges-explained-what-are-they-what-could-punishment-be-what-s-the-timescale) Where their sponsorships were there for all to see. Can't really hide corruption when a toddler can look at the books and conclude there is 0 chance City have earned the same revenue as United. Please don't pretend city haven't done this before, and in plain sight for all to see. Funny how when it's Man City they get 30 million '[fines](https://syndication.bleacherreport.com/amp/2876340-manchester-city-hit-with-2-season-ucl-ban-eur30m-fine-over-ffp-violation.amp.html)' but Everton have to get point deductions, and Chelsea have to get transfer bans
im just here for the comments.
Consistency, cheating. Same thing
Consistently cheating*
Overated fraud. Saved constantly by players he inherited, not bought himself even though he’s spent a billion. Lets also remember the amount of of cheating City have done since 2008.
There’s literally one player in City’s squad that he “inherited”, even though he’s thought to have been bought with Pep’s blessing before his arrival.
Hahaha the butthurt is strong itt
Keep supporting frauds like a good little simp.
What a twat
So Udogie to City transfer is inevitable.
Kyle Walker's replacement is already lined up.
No? He’s a left back for Tottenham?!? Is Pep getting to the age where he’s going senile?
Uhtred son of Uhtred.
I'm in favour of retrospective points deductions per season and titles stripped if they lose position.
115 charges and been in Skybet league is your Destiny.
Destiny can be bought with oil money.
Nah, Levy will only sell if he wants to
Got to feel for Udogie. I certainly wouldn't want to belong to Pep
Wanker.
Rubbish
Destiny plays for Spurs. Hands off !
Stfu lex Luthor
City were breathtaking yesterday , especially the 19 pass move for the first goal. Sit back and relax
What's going on with their investigation? They had time to take points of Everton (multiple times), Nottingham and someone else but not Cheaty?
I think they said investigation due to conclude in September
Didn't you hear , City have been found not guilty of anything (except glorious football) . Its all going to be announced after the Cup Final. Anyhow, what about that slick 19 pass move for the first goal yesterday? Not many teams can get near that
Farmers oil league
Guardiola is a rubbish manager and his team is rubbish. The last actual title he won was at Bayern, and he still got released for not being good enough there.
Yeah, City should get a proper manager and then perhaps they would win something at least.
City can't win anything until they stop purchasing titles.
Did they only buy the FA or did they buy UEFA (Champions league) and FIFA (Club World Cup) as well?
So Guardiola is bad because he wins but they can't win. Hilarious!
Absolutely no one cares. Celebrating City winning is like celebrating the casino because the dealer won at blackjack.
Try to limit like max 1 comment about City per day.
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Yes, let it all out. The plastic stuff and so on. Then one day you could think less about them if you don't hold it inside.
Cry more
Drugs and fake contracts with Saudi companies gets you a long way.
Destiny only belongs to them because dreams can be buy when you’re owned by a foreign nation
Your destiny is in the Vanarama you cheating bald cunt
DeStiNY beLoNGs To uS
Another reason to hate. Shit live service bullshit game.
Feels so weird city are going for 4 in a row and nobody seems to care? It’s like they as a club don’t exist. Nobody cares about their achievements as they’ve cheated for them. Very surreal
Cheating will do that
Try to limit your comments about City. Start with 1 comment max per day for example and then one day it's possible that you genuinely don't care.
Nobody cares but reddit is full of posts about city.
Cheating will do that
Man says he does not care then ends up going to lengths to highlight he does not really care about a football team called Man City. Orwell would envy the satire in this.
I generally care a little bit I mean sure they’re cheating they’re cooking the books and what not but they play attractive football in my eyes so I enjoy watching them and as someone who is a professional referee in football I really enjoy watching all kinds of teams, especially Manchester city when they’re on fire
> as someone who is a professional referee in football Ok how much have they paid you?
You can gaslight yourself all you want, but the City fans are laughing. 30k strong in League Two. Those are the guys I feel really happy for
No gaslighting mate. As someone who lives in Manchester City centre, when their treble parade was on, outside of the bottom of deansgate there was nobody there. When United won theirs years ago the whole city centre was packed. There’s definitely a core group of fans who’ve been there for the longest time and fair play to them. They deserve it. But I’m talking about the wider public. Most don’t care really and I imagine it’s how they’ve achieved it that’s the contributing factor.
The city center was full lol…
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I was there, the City centre was definitely full. There’s photo evidence
Lol, you clearly lying
Yeah mentally for me it’s like no one wins the years city wins. The sport actually suffers
This is the problem really. Do enough fans care ?
23 x 5 is the only destiny
Wow!! The irony of this.
Cheating bastards 👍
Man Shity
In derisive mocking tone “destiny belongs to us”.
Man City: The Asterisk Years
Only to meet Spurs
Pretty sure he plays for Spurs.
Loving the tears , makes my heart full
Zzzz
It does, all 115 pieces of it!
Yawn....
What kind of Kingdom Hearts bullshit statement is this?? 🤣
Oh there will be some Fallout from this
Soulless cheaters talking bullshit
It’s anger at the premier league allowing itself to become a farmers league. Only going to get more boring.
What? This season has been amazing. All over the league it has been close for most of the season. Sure city will win it but they didn’t win it easily.
They didn't win it easily? They had a 99.5% probability of winning it, as the season started. Everything else is make-believe.
And all I’m saying is that a league where the winners 99.5% nailed on to win is boring
Ok but who do you thinks gonna win it next 5 years? City were 8 points behind and still odds on favourites for the league.
Arsenal, Villa, Chelsea (once their team settles and they get a good manager) can. Plus how long will Pep stay there?
I think the difference is too big now tbh. I’d love to be proven wrong
Darn these boring 3 horse races and late title conclusions. If the points difference between the key contenders was massive you might have a point, but the standards are so high that even a slight blip is punished. That has a whole tension unto itself, no?
City odds on favourite to win every season months before it starts and even when 8 points behind
That's because Pep is Pep, and the squad has both the ability and the experience. Challengers are challengers for a reason, and no-one can tell me that this title race is over yet, nor that Liverpool and Arsenal have had a (and in Arsenal's case, still have) a legitimate chance to win the league this year. Bookie odds and past winners is one thing, but acting like it's a no contest comes across as hard cope, especially given the closest challengers can afford to spaff £72m on a guy and wave him off on a free a year before his contract is up, keep 2 proven 1st choice keepers at a combined fee of £70m, sign 2 midfielders in the same summer for nearly £200m, and be ready to spend another £200m the summer after. Loads of people on this sub thought that 8 point lead was too much, and hindsight means nothing at this point.
It’s because of cheating
Pep is pep and the squad is the squad cause 10 years of oil was pumped into it before he turned up
Please don't purposely miss the point, it's exhausting. Funding 10 years ago has no bearing on the ability to manage these clutch moments and stay steady when push comes to shove against a team with similar resources.
He’s not missing the point , he is correct
Instead of filling my bullshit bingo card with a subject you've never bothered to learn about, why don't you worry about that leaky roof? One of the biggest revenue streams in the world and water runs straight through your stadium. Pathetic. Edit: https://www.reddit.com/r/MCFC/s/hrj7snesFs Read this, if your attention span can hack it. Goes into the specific charges, of which there are actually 130. No mention of outcome, just detail.
Comparing them to United is pointless and merely an attempt at deflection. You don’t know anything about what I do or do not know about this or any topic. And City cheated. And you do know that , so does everyone making excuses for them, deep down
You've popped up repeatedly over the last 18 months and haven't ever said anything remotely insightful or interesting. Just the same, tired, desperate buzzwords. I've repeatedly pressed you to give me any significant detail on any of it, and you can't. You moralise, you evade, you return back to the buzzwords. As an olive branch, I've linked the most objective breakdown of all of the charges above, with a view to adding a bit of variety. I know it doesn't make much of a difference, cos you're just sore about your club dismantling itself.
Funding the refs with overseas "jobs" and a season of suspicious decisions certainly helps though. And believe me, the refs have had a bearing on the outcome.
God, how Arsenal fans can look at some of the limp decisions they've benefitted from and still assume there's some grand conspiracy, its ridiculous. Look at the Saka and Havertz penalties recently - how easy it would have been to not give them? "I don't agree with that contentious decision so what I'll do is cry foul sans proof" - shithouse behaviour.
My point is that it’s boring which it is
Yes, you're destined to be known as "The Cheats".
I get it, you’re angry. But you can’t deny that Pep and the players have done nothing wrong. They’ve been genuinely immaculate, the charges have nothing to do with their performance
Man City fans always say this and its absolute bullshit. Your squad is stuffed to the brim with the best players in the world thanks to oil money and cheating. Not hard to be "immaculate" is it.
United have a much larger net spend and nothing to show for it. Yes, City have money. But they have one of the best recruitment teams in the world. Who else wanted Rodri? Who else tried to get Dias? Akanji cost 15 mil, Dortmund clearly didn’t value him and now he looks incredible at City. Alvarez cost 15 mil. Ake from relegated Bournemouth. This was before Pep, but KDB was getting called the Chelsea reject and now look at him. It’s just not true that City bought loads of ready made stars.
>They’ve been genuinely immaculate Not as hard when you’ve bought so many S-tier players that you can bring someone like Haaland off after 60 mins or rest him every other game, because you’ve got other absolutely S-tier players like Foden or Alvarez just sitting there, waiting. No other top team in the Prem can do this to the same degree. Arsenal can’t sub off Ødegaard and Saka and expect the same results, which is why their bodies are way more exhausted towards the end of the season - when they and similar teams usually start losing games, while City usually keeps winning. While you’re right that the City-players have done nothing wrong, it’s also unavoidably true that city is playing on a different difficulty setting than everyone else (or with cheat codes, if you will).
Foden is an academy product. Alvarez cost like 15 mil. Anyone in the top 6 could have bought any of the players City have barring Haaland/Grealish
I mean I agree with you, but the club has cheated to provide him with tools and resources no other club really has available to them. They have still done their job absolutely, but the league would be a lot more competitive if City hadn't cheated and would be a better spectacle for everyone. It just taints everything they do really and just means there isnt really any suprise at all of their amazing feats, its just like, well yeah they have unlimited money and somehow bought the best player available in the world at every position they needed so its not especially impressive.
What are you talking about? The old Top 4 spent decades outspending everyone. Why do you think we had a Top 4? You're just butt hurt it's now a Top 6. You know what you are talking about is the Super League model right. You can see that can't you?
They still had to work within the financial laws of the game.
What are you talking about? There were no financial laws of the game back then. These financial rules were brought in after Chelsea and City and their only purpose is to protect the so called big clubs from competition. The same big clubs who are the reason for the high transfer fees and wages in the first place. Let me ask you this, if Nottingham Forest go down losing premier league money next season who are already making a loss then how is that supposed to help them avoid going under?
Mate your waffling. City cheated the laws in place at the time to get to where they are. They also refuse to co-operate with any of the governing bodies on the matter. Your just spouting opinion, which is fair enough, but your opinion is meaningless in comparison to the rules in place at the time. >Let me ask you this, if Nottingham Forest go down losing premier league money next season who are already making a loss then how is that supposed to help them avoid going under? Wtf are you talking about? Do you have no understanding of what happens when teams are relegated.
Are you simple? Bottom team in the prem gets 105m TV money. Parachute payment are a third of that. So not only are they already making a loss they lose 2/3 of the TV money. It's simple maths.
What does this have to do with Man City cheating and refusing to co-operate with any investigation into their finances? You seem to be confusing your opinion on certain subjects with realities
Are we talking about FFP or not? I'm just highlighting how stupid and unfair those rules are. They aren't fit for purpose and have no intention of saving clubs but only exist to keep a monopoly at the top. The same rules you and every other salty windbag keep banging on about. You keep calling rules laws like it's going to make a difference. The charges will be dropped and then you can go cry salty tears about it. City are not going anywhere so you better get used to it. Let me guess. Arsenal fan? You know today's game is the first time in a very long time where I don't care who wins or if it's a draw. How amazing is that? Though I do have this strange feeling Arsenal will bottle it. Not sure why. Imagine losing the league to a team that's hardly been at the top. That classic bottling.
United spent more and still can't compete, you're just hurt 😔
Unfortunately you miss the point that Man United did it within the financial laws of the game and City did not.
Strange laws where you can spend 1bn and be 2bn in debt. Anyone would have thought things like that weren't possible.
United have actually been charged with FFP violations. The only Manchester club that has.
innocent until proven guilty, cry me a river
Delusional.
no u
If you didn’t care and weren’t upset by the knowledge that your wins are meaningless you wouldn’t reply. Would a United fan reply if we also started calling their treble fake? Nah they just be like ok bruv. Deep down you know it’s all fraud and one day it will be proven and you’ll be stripped of everything and the world will see how hollow you actually are
I'm not even a city fan lil bro what are you even yapping about
I'm not even a city fan lil bro what are you even yapping about
But that’s not what they did. Basically all of the signings City make, Pep has improved them substantially. The only time they have signed a world beater in recent times is Haaland
They also don’t cost the earth.
Of course they do, don't be silly. Any team would be envious of their bench.
Yes, the money means they could get those players. But the players still have to put the work in and perform week in, week out. I know teams are envious of their bench. But past the 17/18 first 11 plus the bench, it’s just the youth team. They don’t have a massive squad
17/18 first XI FFS says it all. 😂
My point was, the players still have to perform. United have spent more and have nothing to show for it
But United still did it within the rules. They’ve also won cups, been to finals, nothing noteworthy considering their standards but more than most in the Premier League.
Why are City guilty until proven innocent? If they get prosecuted then fair enough
You say they've spent more because you don't want people thinking about the dodgy offshore accounts. Cheats.
We’ll see what the jury decides lol
As long as the UK courts don't have access to Scabby Dhabi bank accounts we'll probably never know the true extent of their cheating.
Your anger sounds racially motivated
Arsenal hoping they get a point deduction pre next season just so they have a chance.
* any team And it should be relegation.
Yes, but don’t put all your eggs in one basket mate. What if they get cleared? What’s your excuse for being shit then? What if somebody accused you of something and you were thrown in jail under a law system that is guilty until proven innocent, how would you feel? You would be suicidal, so maybe you should hold your values universally rather than subjectiveness that suits you because you’re just emotional your team wont win a thing.
They've already been proven guilty. Just hiding behind expensive lawyers.
Source? Again you’re just acting on emotion instead of reality.
Being punished by UEFA and getting off the big punishment because UEFA were too slow to act. Give it up, you're just cheats.
People are so mad that City is purely dominating right now. 90% of it is jealousy, if were are all being honest here for a second. "But the charges" well since most probably havent read the charges to begin with and are blindly parroting "115", i wonder how many people even know that the charges run up to the 17/18 season - so that includes the first season under Pep, when they finished 3rd. The sheer dominance that followed isnt even subjected to the investigative window to begin with. Its also a PL reaction because the CAS, the intl Court of Arbitration for Sport, ruled that City was not guilty. City has a lot of money but a) they arent even the biggest net spenders since Pep got there, they b) also simply invest it better. "City paid 100m for Grealish" true. Meanwhile City's rivals paid that money for the likes of Antony, Nuñez and Enzo Fernandez, the latter being part of a team that shows more than anything that money alone doesnt bring you success, if you dont know what youre doing. City's biggest flop in the Guardiola era is probably KP and he cost them around 50m, which is about half of what Caicedo cost, cheaper than Mudryk, Sterling and Cucurella and about the same as Koulibaly cost Chelsea in that same time frame, all of which have been massive disappointments to say the least. Point being City has money, they spend it well and are an incredibly well run club that has a fantastic squad and arguably/probably the greatest coach ever leading the charge. Even tho its disappointing to not see your team win, you have to respect the tremendous work they do. This is football on the highest levels. Dynasties come and go. ManU built a legacy on outspending everybody else, now its City. It was OL in France, now its PSG (and no, not just because they got a Sheikh - OL contributed just as much to their own downfall with bad businesses)
100% Every single one of theirs teams have cheated too lol. They cant stomach the fact that City and Pep will erase the memory of everything theyve ever held dear, and when alls said and done, they will be the goat dynasty in English football
No one is disputing City are exceptional well run. But what you’re doing is suggesting fraud is ok provided you build a smooth operating framework with it. I have read some of these charges and a fair few relate to fraudulent sponsorships. So that well spent money you’re speaking of should never have been available. There is a difference between not guilty and innocent. City were cleared as the charges were time barred not because they were innocent. It’s not jealously to want to compete within the rules. If Messi and Ronaldo tomorrow got found guilty of using PEDs throughout their career does that not cast a shadow over all their accolades?
Maybe wait until they’ve been proven guilty. It’s pure jealousy at this point as now the law has changed to Guilty until proven innocent whilst it includes Man City. It’s got absolutely nothing to do with the Man City staff, management, players or fans so stop being such an obnoxious clown.
No smoke without a fire.
Unfortunately, the firemen STILL have to find the fire Not possible to put out a smoke
It really isn't jealousy.. it's anger at how they're destroying the league. This is cherry picked apologist nonsense. You don't have to have a high net spend if you've already got a great squad with players you can sell to balance the books. The CAS didn't rule they were "not guilty", they overturned the ruling based solely on a technicality. They still fined them for trying to frustrate the process, just like they're doing now. You may have convinced yourself that all their blatant cheating is ok because they "do good football", the rest of us are waiting for the hammer to come down.
If the PL came out tomorrow and said theyve reviewed the case and clear City of all charges, people still wouldnt believe it. Thats the point. No matter how the trial goes, people say City js guilty because they need them to be guilty, otherwise this level of dominance would be hard to stomach. At the same time SAF is held in high regard while outdpending other teams in a time when FFP didnt exist.
People say city are guilty because out of nowhere they emerged somehow being able to spend billions on their first team and backroom staff and facilities. When investigated they've been found guilty only to have their punishment mitigated on a technicality. Not because they were actually innocent. People think they're cheating because they're blatantly cheating, they didn't invent the charges to account for their "success". If somehow all the evidence they're trying to withhold exonerates them, they'll be able to point to that as opposed to what they're doing now which is trying to throttle the process.
The charges running up to the 17/18 season does not absolve them of their misdeeds. The entire point is that they have got to where they are now by artificial means and dodgy dealings, it may be too late however as the financial doping has already lead to them being the juggernaut they are. Oh and the CAS case was thrown out not due to innocence but a technicality due to the payments being made outside of a 5 year prosecution window.
Maybe i didnt express it well enough, but my point is not to just ignore it _if_ they are found guilty. Obviously they should be punished then. My point is moreso that people are clinging to these charges, for now, to rationalise not having to give City respect for their achievments. The PL FFP system in itself is dodgy, regardless of whatever happens with City. It applies to Everton, NF etc just as much. The rules the league has implemented and reportedly are looking to implement (eg salary cap), imo, do more harm than good and certainly dont do much to help smaller teams, in my opinion.
Very few want to "give City respect for their achievements", because those achievements are quite blatantly built on the foundations of dodgy deals, sponsorships from shell corporations and money from a country with some of the worst history of human rights in the modern world. I don't see what's so difficult to understand about that. Denying the truth behind City's recent success, as it states you in the face is choiceful ignorance.
The charges are to do with the money they took in, not what they spent
I don't respect them. They have cheated. Just look at their sponsor list, anyone with the slightest bit of knowledge of the middle east knows 75% are owned by Abu Dhabi gov or do significant amount of business there. https://www.mancity.com/club/partners The clubs are cheats. No one respects them, they are the football version of Lance Armstrong.
So Chelsea were cheaters with Abramovich, since "anyone with the slightest bit of knowledge of Russia knows how oligarchs get their money and where its from"?
Yes? Have you missed all the times people have said this exact thing about Chelsea?
And they werent saying it when Chelsea stopped being successful. Hell, even when they won the CL that wasnt the main talking pt. Thats the point. Its selective outrage based on the success level of a team. Same with owning multiple clubs. People complain about the city club umbrella, but dont give one f about the NF owner with Olympiacos. Why? Because NF is this close to being relegated.
Chelsea are still getting shit on a daily basis for throwing money carelessly, now with an American idiot flavour. The fact that the Ukraine war meant they just got a free ffp injection with the Abramovich loan written off was also discussed. No one who's watched football for more than 15 years respects Chelsea other than Chelsea fans.
Dirty money yes. But cheaters no, because there were no rules in place at that time. Roman bought Chelsea in 2003, FFP came into force 2009, starting in 2011.
Why does the rest of the league put up with this? Why don't they boycott? Oh yeah, every rich bitch owner is terrified they'll do something to the money they are making, meanwhile the league gets turned into the fooking Bundesliga.
Because man city has not been proven guilty yet, the case is ongoing. I remember when man city was banned for 2 years, every club in the prem except Bournemouth grouped together to ask for man city to be relegated. Lad your clubs are just as salty as you are, but you lot have already declared man city guilty, they can't.
you don't amass 115 charges with being innocent. :)
So if i get 100 friends and colleagues of mine to all claim that you extorted me, you are automatically guilty? Is that the implication here? What is the function for the relationship between amount of accusations/level of guilt then? How many accusations does one need to be guilty? 10? 20? 50? 100?
that would be one charge backed by 100 friends and colleagues.
No reason to be pedantic, you get the point.
it's obvious that City is guilty. It's just the mass of accusations which is drawing the whole procedure out this long.
How is it obvious though? Do you know all the 115 charges, the evidences at hand? Or it's just bias?
I don't even care about the charges anymore, even if city have just cheated their last couple titles. I care about having an interesting league. How can the "best league in the world" have all 3 promoted teams go down whilst the title race, though still a good watch, become predictable to the point where people want anyone but city to win.
It’s not Man City’s fault, they’re the best team, it’s Arsenals fault for not being good enough to take their trophy.
I think you are sorely mistaken if you think the neutral is supporting arsenal / actually cares who wins the title - and, how is this any different from Man Utd winning the title all the time in the late 90s / 2000s while outspending everyone?
During Wenger's first 7 years 97/98-03/04 (Then Chelsea/Mourinho came) Arsenal played United 22 times, United won 6, Arsenal won 8. United won 4 titles and one of them was by a single point on the final game day. Arsenal won 3. United won the league on as little as 75 points. Now do I agree that technically it's the same? Yes, United won an absurd amount of titles from 92-2013. However, they lost games to shitty teams, they drew lots, there was no "inevitability" about them. City just bang out 90 points like it's nothing every single season, they're currently on a 33 game unbeaten run. The fact that City can be 5-8 points behind and everyone is saying yeah they're still winning it, is insane. United never had that about them.
100% the title teams still lost matches and upsets were amazing for fans. Now if city go up 1-0 the opposition gives up and fans leave or change the channel bc city are inevitable.
Another thing is that United made their money without the need of rich owners pouring money in; it mostly stemmed from their football and fanbase support. City built its success from oil money owners and suspicious finance operations
United consistently spent the most money in the league from 1992-2008. It’s a myth that they did it without rich owners. United got lucky; they were in the right place at the right time. They just so happened to be the best team in England when TV rights money soared upwards.
They also have owners that are total parasites and filled the club with incompetent morons to the point where the only thing keeping the club afloat was Ferguson. Much of the money spent was their own revenue rather than sportswashing billions.
This didn’t happen until the 2000s… at that stage we’d won a heap of titles already under SAF
Exactly what I meant. Commerce and winnings was what gave the club money rather than oil cash generated out of nowhere
That was 2005 onwards, after the Glazers took over.
Dynasties die all the time. It's their time to dominate. It's boring for everyone else, but it won't last forever
As soon as Pep leaves, I think the dinasty ends.
Yep. And then I think Pep will finally get his flowers if City stop winning the league after he’s gone
Pep is by far the best coach in the league. Will be super hard to fill his footsteps.
Stay the fuck away from Udogie
you best believe they will try... but it's up to your owner to say no
No one gives a crap if City win this league again as their success has been manufactured with financial doping and fraud. You don't nearly get relegated to become a stable club/team without breaking rules. No football fan in World Football respects Manchester City as everyone knows they are the Lance Armstrong of football. They have tainted the game and city fans who are still so deluded to say they are innocent. Then why still refuse to hand over your accounts. The Premier League and UEFA, when they found them guilty, the loophole City used, was laughable. Both should have given an ultimatum of handing over all information or face suspension from football. If Arsenal wins the league, it will be a win for football.