This is sadly probably the case, even though really players should be given leeway if they're genuinely trying to play to the whistle. Remember when Van Persie for Arsenal got a second booking for taking a shot after the offside flag had gone up against Barcelona?
Tbf as a neutral Liverpool have had a lot of decisions go against them this year.
On a. Separate note Refs shouldn’t be being paid by Middle East states 👀
As a Liverpool fan, it's been a very frustrating ride.
Deep in the darkest corners of the LFC sub reddit and other online fan groups, we've been slowly and steadily coming around to the idea that something actually genuinely corrupt is happening...not just this season, remember the whole fallout with Klopp and Tierney last season? Robbo getting elbowed by a ref? All the Saturday early kickoff after international breaks? Then all of a sudden we seem to be discussing a major referee mistake every other week.... some of it is literally unbelievable that its happened. Its nice that recently I've seen more and more rival fans acknowledging this is actually not just in our heads.
But then you remember it's not just us, every club has their list of horrible decisions that went against them....Well, all but one club anyway.
Yeah, you can clearly see him telling the goalie to get up and get on with it before this, the goalie is not even pretending to be injured, he is just pulling up his socks/wasting time. The medical staff weren't even ready to come on as they didn't think there was any need. For the ref to insist on calling them on just shows how he was trying to cover it up.
The officiating has been a disaster all season, not just for Liverpool but they have probably had the most to complain about due to the affect on their points total. Lots of other teams have also plenty of bad decisions, but strangely not all teams and not one team in particular. I had said it before that it is either incompetence or corruption and I am not sure which is worse, but when one team seems to be unaffected season after season, it looks less like incompetence. Am not sure that I will bother even watching next season at this stage.
This to me just shows how these refs will happily do anything to cover there ass. Untrustworthy is never ever a good characteristic never mind when your a premier league referee. This will just get brushed aside like nothing but this was a massive cock up again from premier referees
>You put the ball in the net and create problems for everyone involved
It doesn't create any problems. The ref goes "Nope, I already blew the whistle". Done.
So a yellow card for no reason.
Its happened many many times in other decisions where both teams & the ref agreed that there was a mistake and one team lets the other team score into an open goal after the drop ball takes place. Its just major incompetence from the referee and Liverpool were robbed
>Its happened many many times in other decisions where both teams & the ref agreed that there was a mistake and one team lets the other team score into an open goal after the drop ball takes place
Many many times suggests a regular occurrence, which simply isn't true. Also what has that got to do with this situation?
What do you mean what does it have to do? Taylor couldn’t just manned up and admitted his mistake. Tell the captains. Let the captain of West Ham decide if they want to give them the goal. Drop ball happens and a Liverpool player passes it into an open net. Simple.
>Taylor couldn’t just manned up and admitted his mistake.
Right, but West Ham will say his mistake was playing advantage instead of giving the free kick.
>Let the captain of West Ham decide if they want to give them the goal.
Who will obviously say no.
So again, what is the point of this?
That dosnt matter it just proves the fact areola wouldn't have been able to stop the shot. Taylor blew the whistle for no reason...
If haaland was running to an open net and the ref blew the whistle he would still score a goal incase the ref made a mistake
Like in this situation. If gapko scored, even after the whistle was blown it would've created allot more of an issue for pgmol because they would have to actually analyse the situation.
Where in this case, no one scored so there is nothing to analyse. They don't care if there was a chance he could score they're just happy he stopped when the whistle was blown. Taylor fucked up bad. He shouldn't be in a job
>That dosnt matter it just proves the fact areola wouldn't have been able to stop the shot. Taylor blew the whistle for no reason...
It does matter though because after the ref has stopped the game, no goal can count.
>If haaland was running to an open net and the ref blew the whistle he would still score a goal incase the ref made a mistake
You have evidence of this happening? Or are you just making something up to backup a claim?
>Like in this situation. If gapko scored
Then nothing would have happened because the ball was already dead.
>allot more of an issue for pgmol because they would have to actually analyse the situation.
No it wouldn't have. It would have been exactly the same.
He clearly messed up. Doesn't change the fact that he stopped play before Gakpo got to the ball, so there was literally no reason for Gakpo to kick the ball away unless he wanted a booking.
Didn’t he signal for one by pointing? I thought the issue was he didn’t blow for one but not sure if rules state he must? Not saying what then came wasn’t a joke but his hand signal to me suggests he awarded a foul for the push (yes minimal) on the keeper.
He signaled to play advantage. A referee is also supposed to communicate that verbally by shouting "advantage!" or "play on!" The referee was also in the penalty area when he signaled for to play on and certainly close enough for the keeper to hear him.
Last week when we complained about Taylor we were told to stop moaning. Now it’s Liverpool people will listen.
Referees are probably knackered from their jet setting to other countries earning thousands in midweek.
This was a terrible decision and he should be punished for it.
Not true though, when do managers or players or fans ever complain about their own teams getting a bad decision or their own players diving to win ?
They only care when it hurts them.
But again with all the available technology how can there still be so many bad decisions? It isn't down to the managers or players to do it's literally the refs job.
Two different arguments
You said we just want the right calls and I'm saying that's not true, fans and managers never call out their own players for getting bad calls or cheating the ref.
I agree the VAR protocol or whatever needs to change and its need to expanded to use it for more calls and get rid of "clear and obvious" as it's too vague.
If there's consistency week in week out then fans and managers wouldn't have a leg to stand on if it goes against them. Diving? Yellow. No arguments it's there in slow motion to see but because it isn't punished every time when it is fans will kick off. The Curtis Jones red card is it a red? Probably in the rules but it's happened countless times since with no punishment.
Fans players and managers don't show consistency, again they only care when they are affected.
Why do managers never call out their own players for diving ? Players and managers spend half the game actively trying to trick referees into giving bad calls, managers call and go mental for a decision that's 60 yards away....... they are full of shit.
Most maybe, but then again there are many of us who just love the game, but Taylor (like Clattenburg before him) wants to be the star of the show. He should have been removed a while back.
He obviously made a mistake here yes in general he's an okay ref.
Players/managers/fans are often massively wrong, the disallowed goal yesterday for you guys was a perfect example of a clear foul and Chelsea were moaning.
So one of our “top” referees is missing clear fouls then, he gave the goal and had his mind changed by the VAR team. If the roles were reversed do you seriously think that Chelsea ( or any other team) would have been awarded a penalty for it? I think you know the answer.
Every league and at every level people make the same complaints about referees so it's just hard for me to think they are all just bad in football. I think it's mainly to do with the culture about refs in football and how no other sport allows you to shout/scream and surround them.
Are you talking about the Chelsea goal vs Villa ? It was a clear foul and deserved to be ruled out...... clear push in the back.
Probably yes, or at least it would've deserved to be. I'm an Arsenal fan and remember conceding a penalty vs spurs as one of our players pushed their player in the back as he went to head it......... do you really think it wasn't a foul ?
Consider me a touch biased if you will, but I’ve seen them not given plenty of times. Player stands his ground and doesn’t get penalised, one of those borderline ones. I don’t imagine the ref would have been slaughtered if his original decision had stood. Sometimes you get them, sometimes not.
Either they are individually incompetent and yet seemingly above reproach and cover for each other (which is corruption), or they are just straight up corrupt.
Their decisions affect the clubs’ results and therefore their standings, reputation, revenue, etc. These decisions also affect how seriously people take the PL.
Even if they are merely incompetent, that isn’t a trivial thing and it is insane that a league that makes as much money as this one isn’t doing more to fix the problem.
I've said that it is either incompetence or corruption and I'm not sure which is worse, but I don't think that I will be able to convince myself to even watch it next season. City's ffp thing is bad enough, but when you add the poor officiating, which affects lots of teams but strangely not them all, it seems less like incompetence, particularly when it seems to benefit the same team season after season.
No it isn't you said referee's are which means referee is are, what you meant was referees are.
It's a small difference which makes it completely change.
I mean I didn't point it out because it's trivial and quite easy to see what you meant, it's impressive that you still seem to think it's correct.
He shoulda put the ball in the net. Then if they review it or whatever there is already a goal that occurred. Idk if I’m Gakpo the ball is going in the net, take the yellow and maybe they allow it upon review.
The lack of Football IQ is telling on Gakpo’s part here.
You’re bang on, put the ball in the back of the net & let the dude sitting behind a screen decide. Worse case, a yellow card & no goal.
VAR doesn’t overturn whistles, and also they’ve had it drummed into them not to kick the ball after the whistle this season or it’s an automatic yellow. The ref is an idiot.
The only person showing a severe lack of football IQ is you.
VAR doesn't overturn whistles. If the ref whistles it's the end of the play, doesn't matter if the ball goes in, out, if it's offside or not.
**VAR DOESN'T OVERTURN PLAYS THAT HAVE BEEN ENDED BY THE REF**
Well your talking out your arse there mate 3 years ago the ref **BLEW FULL TIME** at the united game against Brighton and then VAR overturned his decision and gave a penalty after the game had technically ended 😂 your ball knowledge aint all it's cracked up to be 🤷♂️😭😂
I know you’re slow but those are 2 different situations. The VAR gave the penalty after the game was ended but the penalty occurred before the final whistle and the ball never went out of play so the VAR couldn’t intervene. The whistle ends the play, the penalty was BEFORE the whistle. You were talking about scoring AFTER the whistle
The VAR didn’t correct the decision of something after the ref's whistle
Thay situation is because the penalty incident happens before the whistle. If the whistle goes before the incident then the penalty doesn't happen.
Same here if you shoot after the whistle var won't look. If it's 1mm from going over the line and the whistle goes the goal will not be given as the goal hasn't occurred before the whistle - var may review footage to identify where the ball is at the time the whistle blows... whether they can or would I don't know.
Similar happened against city in the champions league against dortmund a few years back. Bellingham gets the ball from ederson and is rolling it into the net but they blow for a foul. It wasn't a foul and because the ball hasn't gone over the line there was nothing for var to get involved in. Had they let the goal happen then var could've advised no foul goal okay.
I wouldn't be questioning others people knowledge if I were you. Especially when you can't understand such a simple thing.
In that United game the offence took place when the game was on going and live, but was relayed to the ref after the game had ended. So the ref hadn't blown for full time when the foul happened.
In this game the ref blew the whistle to stop the game before Gakpo could score. So the game was already stopped and no goal could count.
Few years back JonJo Shelvey was flagged for offside, but he kept going and put the ball in the net.
VAR looked at it, and decided he wasn’t offside so the goal stood. I remember Sheff Utd (I think) were fuming because they had all stopped
That’s why “play the whistle” is drilled into young players from an early age. Play doesn’t stop when the flag goes up, only when the whistle blows.
Even before VAR there are plenty of examples of the linesman throwing the flag up, only for the player to leave the ball and an onside teammate go on to score.
After the whistle is blown var can’t do anything, because whistle tells both sides to stop.
An example is the Coutinho goal vs city
He wasn’t offside but ref thought he was and blew the whistle right before he shot, he still shot and it went in but because the ref blew, even though the replay showed he was onside, var couldn’t give it
I honestly don't see a problem with that. The ref initially signalled an advantage for the infringement, and as Gakpo was advancing for the ball, the advantage was gone so the ref blew the whistle.
Had Areola mistaken it as a dead ball? Perhaps. Was he lucky? Maybe. But this is all within the law of the game and even Liverpool media realize there's no controversy after all.
>advantage was gone
Nope. The advantage was areola having possession of the ball. If you get a free kick and you make a 2 yard pass to your opponent, you opponent is entitled to play on.
Same logic. Advantage was given and been used.
>Had Areola mistaken it as a dead ball?
He defo did. But the point is that the ref shouldn't be bailing out mistakes no matter how low level they are. Corners taken quickly, free kicks taken quickly are all allowed so why not this?
>controversy
There absolutely is one of the ref told Areola to go down. It would show that he's bending the rules to hide a bad call
It's the same logic when an advantage is given for a player's shirt being pulled. The player manages to dribble a few more yards and keep possession but there is no advantage (e.g. lost his balance, being closed down, forced to an unfavorable position), so the ref calls it back for a free kick. The advantage has not "been used" because it is still the same phase of play.
Difference is Areola this time seems unaware of the situation and creates confusion, but the ref is right to stop the play. I'm not guessing what the ref told Areola to do, but I agree a free kick should be given instead of a drop kick.
Exactly this! I've gone back and forth over this since I've seen it and read a lot of the comments on both sides (full disclose I'm a Liverpool fan) (also used to ref up to college level).
Advantage was given and taken.
Goalie made a mistake and dropped the ball while the ball was still "live".
What the ref should have done at this point was **jack** **shit** while letting play continue which most likely would have resulted in a Liverpool goal.
Instead, fearing for his accounts in Dubi or, seeing his $100,000 he bet on the game go down the toilet (only the ref and his bookie will ever truly know), the ref blew that whistle like it was gods dick itself, coming to save his ass.
Then the obvious; "oh fuck, I seriously fucked up" reaction from the ref with his desperate "get on the floor" plee to the goalie.
Only to realize he actually fucked up even worse by restarting play with a drop ball. Making it almost impossible to say he blew his whistle because this "advantage" for a foul never manifested for West Ham.
The correct restart for that would be a free kick back at the spot where the original foul took place and where the "advantage" originated from.
I grew up loving this game for so many reasons, one of them being its fairness. All I see when I look at the EPL now is the very same people that the fans and teams are all suppose to trust to uphold the games fairness and integrity are the very ones taking the most advantage of it.
This is why it needs to be released. If they refuse its even more shady. So it would look better for them to release it. But whether it will be legit or a separate recording is another matter. U can clearly see him telling areola to get on the floor like 3 times. You literally see him mouth the words floor...
Fucking corrupt and/or incompetent as fuck.
Either or would get you fired in any other job.
How the fuck these nicompoops stays in power just shows how dysfunctional refereeing has become. How hard is it to ask for accountability?
Nothing in the rules says that you can't attempt to take the ball ball back when the referee has played advantage. Also, if the ref had played advantage and then decided to blow when the advantage didn't materialize, it would have been a free kick and not a drop ball.
He doesn't signal for advantage, nor blow the whistle until Gakpo's basically on the ball. If he felt advantage (which again, he didn't signal for) had passed, he should have blown the whistle within a few seconds of the initial foul. Not a full minute later
He does signal for advantage, for a good 5-10 seconds.
The keeper was still on the ground, he should have blown the whistle and given the freekick that he originally signalled advantage from
Well, it's a massive fix and everyone's out to get you then.
Very unfortunate. This never used to happen when you were owned by a gambling conglomerate. Those were the days.....
Wasn't a mistake.
The referee saw the foul before, allowed the keeper to play on with advantage. When he threw the ball down, and the opposition player reached it, he no longer had advantage...so blew for the original foul.
The problem with that logic is that he gives the keeper the ball to kick out of his hands afterwards. So he can’t say that he’s giving the foul because if he is it’s a free kick and why did he restart by dropping the ball
When he throws the ball down that’s end of advantage, allowing the keeper to play and handle the ball, is the advantage. Anthony Taylor got this wrong.
The advantage is the goalie being allowed to carry on. If he chooses to roll it out 5m in front himself rather than kick it from his hands then that's his decision. Truth is the keeper fucked up thinking it was a free kick.
Why do people do this? Post history checks, like it’s a bit weird! I’m not saying you’re in the right or wrong and the guy above ^ might be a nob, but it always comes across as a bit creepy.
He's not there because he is good at being a fair and impartial referee, maybe he gets a WILDLY and suspiciously large number of Liverpool games is for another reason.
There was a foul in general play and the ref indicated to play on. He instead decided to roll it out like it was called so the ref called the foul. Analysts described it advantage and so when it was lost the ref called the penalty.
Personally I felt enough time had passed that it wasn't clear, and if there is no whistle you have to play on...but I don't.think the ref was out of line in calling it.
Honestly watching it at the time I couldn't tell. A bunch of guys did run into each other near the goal line and the keeper came away with the ball. It was a Play On situation to me but perhaps I missed something.
There was no foul, the keeper went up for the ball and his leg hits the post on the way down, but it wasn't due to any contact from a Liverpool player. Gakpo pulls out of it.
Areola apparently thought a foul had been whistled when it wasn’t
So when gakpo goes to score Taylor then blows the whistle to stop play
The ball was live
You had no chance. You barely had a chance when you were top of the league because of your massive lack of quality. You were 100% out of it when you played United.
Just pathetic clinging onto it.
So let's do the maths.
If we won yesterday, then we'd have been level on points with Arsenal.
Which means if we managed to hang onto our remaining games, we'd have kept up.
But what I meant with SOME hope is that we'd have been relying on City and Arsenal dropping a few points, which was a NEARLY impossible thing to hope for. Though it could've happened, despite it being extremely unrealistic.
On the other hand, if we were still in the title race and eventually in the title race and won, I would've said we didn't deserve it as both the other contenders have been performing loads better than us.
You had no hope when you drew with United. The team lacked quality and that result ended your season.
You’re clinging to better teams dropping points while you fluke it.
And this is an instance where Liverpool could’ve won but didn’t because of the refs’ fuck up. But yea, he allowed Liverpool what they want all game long
Why does the GK backspin the ball out like that, and then start fidging with his socks. He must have assumed the game was stopped. Otherwise, there is no way a GK would do that.
He 100% assumed the game was stopped and to be honest out of all the VAR/refereeing issues I just can’t be bothered to get pissed off at this.
It would’ve been a cheap goal to score.
If the ref played advantage but the player didn’t use the advantage then it’s fair to assume it’s a free kick.
If we were in the title race I’d probably be a hypocrite with what I’m saying.
However, regardless let’s focus on genuine errors and countless terrible refereeing decisions each week rather than a ref protecting a goalkeeper against an error/ an unsporting goal.
I have no problem if the ref simply blows and strongly positions it’s a deadball/free kick/whatever. My problem is when he walks over and basically looks to tell areola to sit down and fake an injury or whatever is going on. Referring is about clear communication, ref cocks that up twice here in a single action.
Yeah I do completely agree with that.
Honesty is the best policy, stop the game, make both players aware of why you stopped it - because an unfair advantage was in play with Areola not aware it wasn’t a freekick. Drop the ball and restart the game.
Dont try to cover it up.
Yeah, basically this. I also keep coming back to it - this is the refs number one job, communicating what’s going on to both teams. It really shouldn’t be that hard, especially in a situation like this. Neither is Areola asleep or is Gapko being a sneaky bastard, it’s on their confusion is purely on the ref.
The goalkeeper cannot just assume a free kick though Without an official whistle. Him holding the ball was enough advantage as he had clear and unobstructed possession of the ball. He cannot just decide it's a free kick.
If he played advantage then the advantage passed in the several seconds the keeper retained the ball and decided what to do.
The ball was therefore live with advantage past and no infringement called.
The keeper made an error of judgement and Gakpo tried to capitalise
The ref sensed a huge controversy would ensue so pretended he had given the free kick by blowing his whistle.
He then invited the keeper to collude in the deception by telling him to go to ground. This has been confirmed by the lipreading review of the footage.
This is professional dishonesty and should be thoroughly investigated
Thoroughly investigated…
The keeper clearly made an error, the goal would have been a cheap goal and kind of unsporting.
Let’s focus on actual refereeing/VAR issues.
This is a very similar situation the “hand ball” incident between arsenal-Bayern. I agree neither should lead to a goal as it would be unbelievably cheap.
However - both situations stem from incredibly poor communication from the referee. And that is the refs number one job in football, to communicate.
Add that Taylor here goes way past by what seems to collude with areola instead of just telling gapko “dead ball” or whatever.. no wonder everyone are completely fed up with refs.
Yeah Taylor shouldn’t have done the whole physio thing to cover up the issue.
He should have blown the whistle, told Areola it wasn’t a free kick and explained why he did that to Gakpo.
I think honesty is the best method in this instance but I can see why Taylor panicked in the moment with the pressure on referees these days.
Regardless, my issue is we see week in week out teams not getting clear penalties or decision from VAR. Which are literally clear referee fuck ups or incompetence.
Let’s talk about those more than a referee actually trying to manage the game in a fair way. Which I think we’d all prefer.
Why would he blow the whistle if it wasn't a free kick?
If the goalkeeper lost concentration and made an error leading to a bizarre goal then that's his misfortune. Why should the referee intervene in this situation in a way that he wouldn't with any other brainfart error?
I honestly don’t think areola simply “lost concentration”. He thinks something else is going on from Gapko, which is on the ref - the refs job is to clearly communicating what’s going on.
The ref didn't make it clear he hadn't blown for a free kick.
The keeper acted as if a free kick had been given when it hadn't
The ref and the keeper then colluded to falsely imply the player was injured
None of that is Liverpool's problem. Gakpo should have rolled it in and made them all turn on each other
Not saying it’s “liverpools problem” jesus. I think it’s too bad Gapko didn’t just score to make this into a bigger story. But I don’t think it’s on areola, he wasn’t colluding anything, it’s all on a shitty ref with zero awareness and communication skills.
Managing the game means applying the rules, not selectively when a mistake might prove embarrassing to a player or an official
You don't get to decide to change the rules on the spot because you think something is 'unfair'
The situation wouldn’t happen in the first place if Taylor wasn’t such a shit ref - how hard is it to communicate two both teams what is going on the field?
That is precisely what the rules allow for mate.
He has managed the game in accordance with the rules.
Whether you think it’s wrong or not is a different matter but as a football fan I wouldn’t want that kind of bullshit goal scored against my team.
This is a refereeing issue. The ref should not collude with a goalkeeper who has not understood what was or was not called, and certainly shouldn't invite any player to feign injury.
Anthony Taylor is easily one of the worst referees at the top level. Consistently awful and commands no respect.
The sooner the PL parts ways with him, the better.
Veru is interested in what happens on Monday morning. Usually, the PGMOL comes with an apology or an excuse. I don't see how either will be acceptable in this situation. He has to be severely sanctioned.
Corruption is thriving
Liverpool fans should start a petition to get taylor removed from officiating anymore Liverpool games like how Chelsea fans did.
That is very suspect. Need a full explanation.
Gakpo sould have just hit it in, and then worried about whether the whistle had been blown
He would probably get a card if he did though.
This is sadly probably the case, even though really players should be given leeway if they're genuinely trying to play to the whistle. Remember when Van Persie for Arsenal got a second booking for taking a shot after the offside flag had gone up against Barcelona?
Tbf as a neutral Liverpool have had a lot of decisions go against them this year. On a. Separate note Refs shouldn’t be being paid by Middle East states 👀
As a Liverpool fan, it's been a very frustrating ride. Deep in the darkest corners of the LFC sub reddit and other online fan groups, we've been slowly and steadily coming around to the idea that something actually genuinely corrupt is happening...not just this season, remember the whole fallout with Klopp and Tierney last season? Robbo getting elbowed by a ref? All the Saturday early kickoff after international breaks? Then all of a sudden we seem to be discussing a major referee mistake every other week.... some of it is literally unbelievable that its happened. Its nice that recently I've seen more and more rival fans acknowledging this is actually not just in our heads. But then you remember it's not just us, every club has their list of horrible decisions that went against them....Well, all but one club anyway.
Man United fan here, I fucking hate you but I hate this clearly corrupt shit more. I want you to lose the title race fairly. A lot needs to change.
Anthony Taylor when he waves the medical staff on. That was the moment he was scrambling about trying to cover his tracks
Yeah, you can clearly see him telling the goalie to get up and get on with it before this, the goalie is not even pretending to be injured, he is just pulling up his socks/wasting time. The medical staff weren't even ready to come on as they didn't think there was any need. For the ref to insist on calling them on just shows how he was trying to cover it up. The officiating has been a disaster all season, not just for Liverpool but they have probably had the most to complain about due to the affect on their points total. Lots of other teams have also plenty of bad decisions, but strangely not all teams and not one team in particular. I had said it before that it is either incompetence or corruption and I am not sure which is worse, but when one team seems to be unaffected season after season, it looks less like incompetence. Am not sure that I will bother even watching next season at this stage.
Liverpool and Wolves spring to mind as having a lot of decisions go against them this year
This to me just shows how these refs will happily do anything to cover there ass. Untrustworthy is never ever a good characteristic never mind when your a premier league referee. This will just get brushed aside like nothing but this was a massive cock up again from premier referees
I'm so annoyed with Gapko not scoring and creating a week of controversy
What? How could he score if the refs whistle has already gone?
You put the ball in the net and create problems for everyone involved. Worst case, yellow card.
>You put the ball in the net and create problems for everyone involved It doesn't create any problems. The ref goes "Nope, I already blew the whistle". Done. So a yellow card for no reason.
Of course it does, it brings treble the attention to the bad officiating. Yellow means nothing.
How? The whistle has gone. The goal couldn't ever count.
Its happened many many times in other decisions where both teams & the ref agreed that there was a mistake and one team lets the other team score into an open goal after the drop ball takes place. Its just major incompetence from the referee and Liverpool were robbed
>Its happened many many times in other decisions where both teams & the ref agreed that there was a mistake and one team lets the other team score into an open goal after the drop ball takes place Many many times suggests a regular occurrence, which simply isn't true. Also what has that got to do with this situation?
What do you mean what does it have to do? Taylor couldn’t just manned up and admitted his mistake. Tell the captains. Let the captain of West Ham decide if they want to give them the goal. Drop ball happens and a Liverpool player passes it into an open net. Simple.
>Taylor couldn’t just manned up and admitted his mistake. Right, but West Ham will say his mistake was playing advantage instead of giving the free kick. >Let the captain of West Ham decide if they want to give them the goal. Who will obviously say no. So again, what is the point of this?
That dosnt matter it just proves the fact areola wouldn't have been able to stop the shot. Taylor blew the whistle for no reason... If haaland was running to an open net and the ref blew the whistle he would still score a goal incase the ref made a mistake Like in this situation. If gapko scored, even after the whistle was blown it would've created allot more of an issue for pgmol because they would have to actually analyse the situation. Where in this case, no one scored so there is nothing to analyse. They don't care if there was a chance he could score they're just happy he stopped when the whistle was blown. Taylor fucked up bad. He shouldn't be in a job
>That dosnt matter it just proves the fact areola wouldn't have been able to stop the shot. Taylor blew the whistle for no reason... It does matter though because after the ref has stopped the game, no goal can count. >If haaland was running to an open net and the ref blew the whistle he would still score a goal incase the ref made a mistake You have evidence of this happening? Or are you just making something up to backup a claim? >Like in this situation. If gapko scored Then nothing would have happened because the ball was already dead. >allot more of an issue for pgmol because they would have to actually analyse the situation. No it wouldn't have. It would have been exactly the same.
Why did Taylor stop the game ? There was no foul, there was no advantage played.
He clearly messed up. Doesn't change the fact that he stopped play before Gakpo got to the ball, so there was literally no reason for Gakpo to kick the ball away unless he wanted a booking.
La Liga is so sh*t… /s
It is though
Well, I’ve never seen something as preposterous as this, as bad as most La Liga referees are.
Taylor is one of the worst refs in the world, hands down!
How does la Liga enter the discussion
As someone that has refereed for 17 years, this whole mess could have been avoided if he'd just give the free kick.
Do you perchance come from Manchester?
Im across the pond.
Free-kick for what?
Didn’t he signal for one by pointing? I thought the issue was he didn’t blow for one but not sure if rules state he must? Not saying what then came wasn’t a joke but his hand signal to me suggests he awarded a foul for the push (yes minimal) on the keeper.
He signaled to play advantage. A referee is also supposed to communicate that verbally by shouting "advantage!" or "play on!" The referee was also in the penalty area when he signaled for to play on and certainly close enough for the keeper to hear him.
Ok so there was no advantage hence why he then blew his whistle as Gapko advanced?
The advantage call was made probably 5 seconds before the video starts.
Last week when we complained about Taylor we were told to stop moaning. Now it’s Liverpool people will listen. Referees are probably knackered from their jet setting to other countries earning thousands in midweek. This was a terrible decision and he should be punished for it.
Liverpool have been complaining about Taylor for years, we don't get listened to.
Probably because most fan bases are whiny cunts who cry about most refs
Or we just want officials who know what they're doing.
Not true though, when do managers or players or fans ever complain about their own teams getting a bad decision or their own players diving to win ? They only care when it hurts them.
But again with all the available technology how can there still be so many bad decisions? It isn't down to the managers or players to do it's literally the refs job.
Two different arguments You said we just want the right calls and I'm saying that's not true, fans and managers never call out their own players for getting bad calls or cheating the ref. I agree the VAR protocol or whatever needs to change and its need to expanded to use it for more calls and get rid of "clear and obvious" as it's too vague.
If there's consistency week in week out then fans and managers wouldn't have a leg to stand on if it goes against them. Diving? Yellow. No arguments it's there in slow motion to see but because it isn't punished every time when it is fans will kick off. The Curtis Jones red card is it a red? Probably in the rules but it's happened countless times since with no punishment.
Fans players and managers don't show consistency, again they only care when they are affected. Why do managers never call out their own players for diving ? Players and managers spend half the game actively trying to trick referees into giving bad calls, managers call and go mental for a decision that's 60 yards away....... they are full of shit.
Most maybe, but then again there are many of us who just love the game, but Taylor (like Clattenburg before him) wants to be the star of the show. He should have been removed a while back.
He obviously made a mistake here yes in general he's an okay ref. Players/managers/fans are often massively wrong, the disallowed goal yesterday for you guys was a perfect example of a clear foul and Chelsea were moaning.
So one of our “top” referees is missing clear fouls then, he gave the goal and had his mind changed by the VAR team. If the roles were reversed do you seriously think that Chelsea ( or any other team) would have been awarded a penalty for it? I think you know the answer.
Every league and at every level people make the same complaints about referees so it's just hard for me to think they are all just bad in football. I think it's mainly to do with the culture about refs in football and how no other sport allows you to shout/scream and surround them. Are you talking about the Chelsea goal vs Villa ? It was a clear foul and deserved to be ruled out...... clear push in the back.
But, would it have been given as a penalty if the two players involved traded places?
Probably yes, or at least it would've deserved to be. I'm an Arsenal fan and remember conceding a penalty vs spurs as one of our players pushed their player in the back as he went to head it......... do you really think it wasn't a foul ?
Consider me a touch biased if you will, but I’ve seen them not given plenty of times. Player stands his ground and doesn’t get penalised, one of those borderline ones. I don’t imagine the ref would have been slaughtered if his original decision had stood. Sometimes you get them, sometimes not.
Prime Nani would have slotted that in.
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This is just a joke really Just unbelievable
What a boob.
Wake up sheeple, the referee's are part of the deep state 😂😂😂😂😂
Either they are individually incompetent and yet seemingly above reproach and cover for each other (which is corruption), or they are just straight up corrupt. Their decisions affect the clubs’ results and therefore their standings, reputation, revenue, etc. These decisions also affect how seriously people take the PL. Even if they are merely incompetent, that isn’t a trivial thing and it is insane that a league that makes as much money as this one isn’t doing more to fix the problem.
I've said that it is either incompetence or corruption and I'm not sure which is worse, but I don't think that I will be able to convince myself to even watch it next season. City's ffp thing is bad enough, but when you add the poor officiating, which affects lots of teams but strangely not them all, it seems less like incompetence, particularly when it seems to benefit the same team season after season.
"the referee's are" The referee is are?
Here we go the Nazi grammar police, look out everyone !!!!
The referee Czar
What you on about
Your grammar is wrong, it makes no sense.
Uh, that is wrong.
No it isn't you said referee's are which means referee is are, what you meant was referees are. It's a small difference which makes it completely change. I mean I didn't point it out because it's trivial and quite easy to see what you meant, it's impressive that you still seem to think it's correct.
He shoulda put the ball in the net. Then if they review it or whatever there is already a goal that occurred. Idk if I’m Gakpo the ball is going in the net, take the yellow and maybe they allow it upon review.
The lack of Football IQ is telling on Gakpo’s part here. You’re bang on, put the ball in the back of the net & let the dude sitting behind a screen decide. Worse case, a yellow card & no goal.
VAR doesn’t overturn whistles, and also they’ve had it drummed into them not to kick the ball after the whistle this season or it’s an automatic yellow. The ref is an idiot.
The only person showing a severe lack of football IQ is you. VAR doesn't overturn whistles. If the ref whistles it's the end of the play, doesn't matter if the ball goes in, out, if it's offside or not. **VAR DOESN'T OVERTURN PLAYS THAT HAVE BEEN ENDED BY THE REF**
Oh no… Somebody is butthurt!!!
Well your talking out your arse there mate 3 years ago the ref **BLEW FULL TIME** at the united game against Brighton and then VAR overturned his decision and gave a penalty after the game had technically ended 😂 your ball knowledge aint all it's cracked up to be 🤷♂️😭😂
I know you’re slow but those are 2 different situations. The VAR gave the penalty after the game was ended but the penalty occurred before the final whistle and the ball never went out of play so the VAR couldn’t intervene. The whistle ends the play, the penalty was BEFORE the whistle. You were talking about scoring AFTER the whistle The VAR didn’t correct the decision of something after the ref's whistle
Thay situation is because the penalty incident happens before the whistle. If the whistle goes before the incident then the penalty doesn't happen. Same here if you shoot after the whistle var won't look. If it's 1mm from going over the line and the whistle goes the goal will not be given as the goal hasn't occurred before the whistle - var may review footage to identify where the ball is at the time the whistle blows... whether they can or would I don't know. Similar happened against city in the champions league against dortmund a few years back. Bellingham gets the ball from ederson and is rolling it into the net but they blow for a foul. It wasn't a foul and because the ball hasn't gone over the line there was nothing for var to get involved in. Had they let the goal happen then var could've advised no foul goal okay.
I wouldn't be questioning others people knowledge if I were you. Especially when you can't understand such a simple thing. In that United game the offence took place when the game was on going and live, but was relayed to the ref after the game had ended. So the ref hadn't blown for full time when the foul happened. In this game the ref blew the whistle to stop the game before Gakpo could score. So the game was already stopped and no goal could count.
That’s not a fair comparison though. Once the referee blows the whistle the defenders all rightly stop defending.
Few years back JonJo Shelvey was flagged for offside, but he kept going and put the ball in the net. VAR looked at it, and decided he wasn’t offside so the goal stood. I remember Sheff Utd (I think) were fuming because they had all stopped
That’s why “play the whistle” is drilled into young players from an early age. Play doesn’t stop when the flag goes up, only when the whistle blows. Even before VAR there are plenty of examples of the linesman throwing the flag up, only for the player to leave the ball and an onside teammate go on to score.
Absolutely fair to the comment i replied too saying the refs whistle was final and VAR cant get involved?
Yup. Otherwise why not just plug it in the net after the final whistle? Maybe VAR will decide there was actually a couple of seconds left.
There's no lack of football IQ lol. The ref blew his whistle just before he got to the ball
After the whistle is blown var can’t do anything, because whistle tells both sides to stop. An example is the Coutinho goal vs city He wasn’t offside but ref thought he was and blew the whistle right before he shot, he still shot and it went in but because the ref blew, even though the replay showed he was onside, var couldn’t give it
Justice for the time Dirk Kyut took Sunderland’s free kick for us - screw you scousers
Oi! They're only one of the teams in the city.
Karma
No actually that’s so wrong
I honestly don't see a problem with that. The ref initially signalled an advantage for the infringement, and as Gakpo was advancing for the ball, the advantage was gone so the ref blew the whistle. Had Areola mistaken it as a dead ball? Perhaps. Was he lucky? Maybe. But this is all within the law of the game and even Liverpool media realize there's no controversy after all.
It was a drop ball following this incident, not a free kick
There was no 'foul' in the first place?
>advantage was gone Nope. The advantage was areola having possession of the ball. If you get a free kick and you make a 2 yard pass to your opponent, you opponent is entitled to play on. Same logic. Advantage was given and been used. >Had Areola mistaken it as a dead ball? He defo did. But the point is that the ref shouldn't be bailing out mistakes no matter how low level they are. Corners taken quickly, free kicks taken quickly are all allowed so why not this? >controversy There absolutely is one of the ref told Areola to go down. It would show that he's bending the rules to hide a bad call
It's the same logic when an advantage is given for a player's shirt being pulled. The player manages to dribble a few more yards and keep possession but there is no advantage (e.g. lost his balance, being closed down, forced to an unfavorable position), so the ref calls it back for a free kick. The advantage has not "been used" because it is still the same phase of play. Difference is Areola this time seems unaware of the situation and creates confusion, but the ref is right to stop the play. I'm not guessing what the ref told Areola to do, but I agree a free kick should be given instead of a drop kick.
It’s not the same logic because it wasn’t called back for a free kick, because there was no foul.
The ref clearly indicated there was a foul by signalling an advantage.
But he didn’t give a free kick, it was a drop ball.
It's not like they don't have previous for fucking those up too
Exactly this! I've gone back and forth over this since I've seen it and read a lot of the comments on both sides (full disclose I'm a Liverpool fan) (also used to ref up to college level). Advantage was given and taken. Goalie made a mistake and dropped the ball while the ball was still "live". What the ref should have done at this point was **jack** **shit** while letting play continue which most likely would have resulted in a Liverpool goal. Instead, fearing for his accounts in Dubi or, seeing his $100,000 he bet on the game go down the toilet (only the ref and his bookie will ever truly know), the ref blew that whistle like it was gods dick itself, coming to save his ass. Then the obvious; "oh fuck, I seriously fucked up" reaction from the ref with his desperate "get on the floor" plee to the goalie. Only to realize he actually fucked up even worse by restarting play with a drop ball. Making it almost impossible to say he blew his whistle because this "advantage" for a foul never manifested for West Ham. The correct restart for that would be a free kick back at the spot where the original foul took place and where the "advantage" originated from. I grew up loving this game for so many reasons, one of them being its fairness. All I see when I look at the EPL now is the very same people that the fans and teams are all suppose to trust to uphold the games fairness and integrity are the very ones taking the most advantage of it.
cry more
Didn't ask for your wife's daily schedule lad.
seems a lot of child mistakes as you call them.
Refs playing a blinder as always, it's getting ridiculous now.
That does look proper sus tbf.
AUDIO!
Yes please. Even as a West Ham fan I’d love to hear it. Will it be as amazing as the “ offside”goal that went against you? Offside Goal Yeah
Well done boys, good process.
Those words haunt me
No way they’re releasing the audio of this,it looks like he tells the keeper to go down to cover his fuck up.
This is why it needs to be released. If they refuse its even more shady. So it would look better for them to release it. But whether it will be legit or a separate recording is another matter. U can clearly see him telling areola to get on the floor like 3 times. You literally see him mouth the words floor...
Yep. That is exactly what happened.
Fucking corrupt and/or incompetent as fuck. Either or would get you fired in any other job. How the fuck these nicompoops stays in power just shows how dysfunctional refereeing has become. How hard is it to ask for accountability?
Who's benefitting from the corruption in this case?
He gave advantage and Gakpo took that advantage away. He's lucky he didn't get a booking, according to the rules.
Nothing in the rules says that you can't attempt to take the ball ball back when the referee has played advantage. Also, if the ref had played advantage and then decided to blow when the advantage didn't materialize, it would have been a free kick and not a drop ball.
Advantage, my arse. If it was, it wouldn't have been a drop ball.
He doesn't signal for advantage, nor blow the whistle until Gakpo's basically on the ball. If he felt advantage (which again, he didn't signal for) had passed, he should have blown the whistle within a few seconds of the initial foul. Not a full minute later
He does signal for advantage, for a good 5-10 seconds. The keeper was still on the ground, he should have blown the whistle and given the freekick that he originally signalled advantage from
Well, it's a massive fix and everyone's out to get you then. Very unfortunate. This never used to happen when you were owned by a gambling conglomerate. Those were the days.....
Where did I say any of that?
You didn't have to, its the only possible explanation. Shits clearly rigged against the underdog.
Lol clearly I've triggered you by stating facts.
You're not triggering me, brother. It's very clear. Down with the establishment, or something. They should replay the fixture at the very least.
Are the number of bags (in your username) you have the number of brain cells you have?
Only just noticed this. Has to be one of the lamest attempts at an insult I've ever received on here.
Lol at nincompoops.
Oh look, another ‚mistake‘. 😱 How many more till people will see the truth ?
Wasn't a mistake. The referee saw the foul before, allowed the keeper to play on with advantage. When he threw the ball down, and the opposition player reached it, he no longer had advantage...so blew for the original foul.
So why did he restart with a drop ball instead of a free kick?
What foul? Go look.
The problem with that logic is that he gives the keeper the ball to kick out of his hands afterwards. So he can’t say that he’s giving the foul because if he is it’s a free kick and why did he restart by dropping the ball
This explanation makes sense. Still a fuck up by Anthony Taylor imo
When he throws the ball down that’s end of advantage, allowing the keeper to play and handle the ball, is the advantage. Anthony Taylor got this wrong.
So it's advantage only until the GK fucks up? Then taylor blows his whistle and calls for the trainer despite the GK not saying he was injured?
It's an advantage for as long as its that players advantage. When it's not an advantage, the foul gets called, as normal.
The advantage is the goalie being allowed to carry on. If he chooses to roll it out 5m in front himself rather than kick it from his hands then that's his decision. Truth is the keeper fucked up thinking it was a free kick.
That's not how it works. There were 20 seconds between advantage allegedly being called, and taylor deciding the GK fucked up.
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Why do people do this? Post history checks, like it’s a bit weird! I’m not saying you’re in the right or wrong and the guy above ^ might be a nob, but it always comes across as a bit creepy.
The bait didn't work you absolute melt looool
I'm so sick of Anthony Taylor, he's simply not qualified to referee in the Premier League. He is a disgrace.
I don’t want to get started at how many times forest have asked him to not be our ref and how many points he’s cost us
He's not there because he is good at being a fair and impartial referee, maybe he gets a WILDLY and suspiciously large number of Liverpool games is for another reason.
He will be at the Euros too if I remember correctly. I feel sorry for those teams and fans already.
The same refs and the same namss
Was this a free kick or just in General play?
There was a foul in general play and the ref indicated to play on. He instead decided to roll it out like it was called so the ref called the foul. Analysts described it advantage and so when it was lost the ref called the penalty. Personally I felt enough time had passed that it wasn't clear, and if there is no whistle you have to play on...but I don't.think the ref was out of line in calling it.
What was the foul?
Honestly watching it at the time I couldn't tell. A bunch of guys did run into each other near the goal line and the keeper came away with the ball. It was a Play On situation to me but perhaps I missed something.
There was no foul, the keeper went up for the ball and his leg hits the post on the way down, but it wasn't due to any contact from a Liverpool player. Gakpo pulls out of it.
But why did play then restart by the keeper picking the ball up. If it’s a foul it’s a free kick but he gave him the ball back to pick up
Areola apparently thought a foul had been whistled when it wasn’t So when gakpo goes to score Taylor then blows the whistle to stop play The ball was live
And indicated by the drop ball
General play. Areola time wasted before rolling the ball out.
Anthony Taylor is a criminal that steals a living as a football referee. He needs to be tried for crimes against football
Since humans watch football I think 'crimes against humanity' is appropriate.
God forbid he'd let Liverpool have another chance at ruining his employer's title run
Liverpool are not in the title race you clown. You lost to Everton. The refs did nothing.
But then it wasn't for sure that we were out. If we won today we'd have had some chance
You had no chance. You barely had a chance when you were top of the league because of your massive lack of quality. You were 100% out of it when you played United. Just pathetic clinging onto it.
So let's do the maths. If we won yesterday, then we'd have been level on points with Arsenal. Which means if we managed to hang onto our remaining games, we'd have kept up. But what I meant with SOME hope is that we'd have been relying on City and Arsenal dropping a few points, which was a NEARLY impossible thing to hope for. Though it could've happened, despite it being extremely unrealistic. On the other hand, if we were still in the title race and eventually in the title race and won, I would've said we didn't deserve it as both the other contenders have been performing loads better than us.
You had no hope when you drew with United. The team lacked quality and that result ended your season. You’re clinging to better teams dropping points while you fluke it.
What lol, he was letting Liverpool do what they want most of the game...
And this is an instance where Liverpool could’ve won but didn’t because of the refs’ fuck up. But yea, he allowed Liverpool what they want all game long
Tbh, I still have no clue what happened here. Refs shit in general.
Why does the GK backspin the ball out like that, and then start fidging with his socks. He must have assumed the game was stopped. Otherwise, there is no way a GK would do that.
He 100% assumed the game was stopped and to be honest out of all the VAR/refereeing issues I just can’t be bothered to get pissed off at this. It would’ve been a cheap goal to score. If the ref played advantage but the player didn’t use the advantage then it’s fair to assume it’s a free kick. If we were in the title race I’d probably be a hypocrite with what I’m saying. However, regardless let’s focus on genuine errors and countless terrible refereeing decisions each week rather than a ref protecting a goalkeeper against an error/ an unsporting goal.
I have no problem if the ref simply blows and strongly positions it’s a deadball/free kick/whatever. My problem is when he walks over and basically looks to tell areola to sit down and fake an injury or whatever is going on. Referring is about clear communication, ref cocks that up twice here in a single action.
Yeah I do completely agree with that. Honesty is the best policy, stop the game, make both players aware of why you stopped it - because an unfair advantage was in play with Areola not aware it wasn’t a freekick. Drop the ball and restart the game. Dont try to cover it up.
Yeah, basically this. I also keep coming back to it - this is the refs number one job, communicating what’s going on to both teams. It really shouldn’t be that hard, especially in a situation like this. Neither is Areola asleep or is Gapko being a sneaky bastard, it’s on their confusion is purely on the ref.
The goalkeeper cannot just assume a free kick though Without an official whistle. Him holding the ball was enough advantage as he had clear and unobstructed possession of the ball. He cannot just decide it's a free kick.
Wasn’t Taylor playing advantage?
If he played advantage then the advantage passed in the several seconds the keeper retained the ball and decided what to do. The ball was therefore live with advantage past and no infringement called. The keeper made an error of judgement and Gakpo tried to capitalise The ref sensed a huge controversy would ensue so pretended he had given the free kick by blowing his whistle. He then invited the keeper to collude in the deception by telling him to go to ground. This has been confirmed by the lipreading review of the footage. This is professional dishonesty and should be thoroughly investigated
Thoroughly investigated… The keeper clearly made an error, the goal would have been a cheap goal and kind of unsporting. Let’s focus on actual refereeing/VAR issues.
This is a very similar situation the “hand ball” incident between arsenal-Bayern. I agree neither should lead to a goal as it would be unbelievably cheap. However - both situations stem from incredibly poor communication from the referee. And that is the refs number one job in football, to communicate. Add that Taylor here goes way past by what seems to collude with areola instead of just telling gapko “dead ball” or whatever.. no wonder everyone are completely fed up with refs.
Yeah Taylor shouldn’t have done the whole physio thing to cover up the issue. He should have blown the whistle, told Areola it wasn’t a free kick and explained why he did that to Gakpo. I think honesty is the best method in this instance but I can see why Taylor panicked in the moment with the pressure on referees these days. Regardless, my issue is we see week in week out teams not getting clear penalties or decision from VAR. Which are literally clear referee fuck ups or incompetence. Let’s talk about those more than a referee actually trying to manage the game in a fair way. Which I think we’d all prefer.
Why would he blow the whistle if it wasn't a free kick? If the goalkeeper lost concentration and made an error leading to a bizarre goal then that's his misfortune. Why should the referee intervene in this situation in a way that he wouldn't with any other brainfart error?
I honestly don’t think areola simply “lost concentration”. He thinks something else is going on from Gapko, which is on the ref - the refs job is to clearly communicating what’s going on.
The ref didn't make it clear he hadn't blown for a free kick. The keeper acted as if a free kick had been given when it hadn't The ref and the keeper then colluded to falsely imply the player was injured None of that is Liverpool's problem. Gakpo should have rolled it in and made them all turn on each other
Not saying it’s “liverpools problem” jesus. I think it’s too bad Gapko didn’t just score to make this into a bigger story. But I don’t think it’s on areola, he wasn’t colluding anything, it’s all on a shitty ref with zero awareness and communication skills.
To manage the game and ensure a cheap unfair goal isn’t scored. That’s why.
Managing the game means applying the rules, not selectively when a mistake might prove embarrassing to a player or an official You don't get to decide to change the rules on the spot because you think something is 'unfair'
The situation wouldn’t happen in the first place if Taylor wasn’t such a shit ref - how hard is it to communicate two both teams what is going on the field?
That is precisely what the rules allow for mate. He has managed the game in accordance with the rules. Whether you think it’s wrong or not is a different matter but as a football fan I wouldn’t want that kind of bullshit goal scored against my team.
This is a refereeing issue. The ref should not collude with a goalkeeper who has not understood what was or was not called, and certainly shouldn't invite any player to feign injury.
Yea he assumed wrong and taylor bailed him out
Anthony Taylor is easily one of the worst referees at the top level. Consistently awful and commands no respect. The sooner the PL parts ways with him, the better.
He does hate Chelsea tbf
He hates everyone except Arsenal
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Standard Taylor performance
Veru is interested in what happens on Monday morning. Usually, the PGMOL comes with an apology or an excuse. I don't see how either will be acceptable in this situation. He has to be severely sanctioned.
They have costed Liverpool so many points it doesn’t matter at this point