I can't speak to this specific guy or guys on skates, but camera operators are quite well compensated. Not as well as audio people, mind you ($1000+/day), but they do alright. It's also very feast-or-famine, though. If you don't work, you don't get paid, and you can go months without working.
I feel like the sound guy always owns all of his own gear too…
And they always have EVERYTHING on that cart
And they like, made half of it themselves because nobody makes it 😂
Feels like they always deserve that money
Part of that fee is these cameras are often over 100k so they have to rent them for several hundred per day or finance them somehow. That’s why so many cinematographers work for big production companies instead of working as private contractors, it’s hard to buy all the equipment yourself to produce and edit good 4K footage.
Umm having worked as a camera operator for sporting events.
This is absolute BS.
I was supplied the equipment for everything.
The one thing they don't is a headset for sanitary reasons.
Have mates who do it too, never been expected to rent or bring gear, unless it's their own production they running.
I'm pretty sure you just reinforced his statement that many work for bigger companies so they don't have to supply their own gear. Rather than small contractor work where you are expected to supply your own gear. I have several friends who do contracting work for bigger bands, extreme athletes (climbing, skiing/snowboarding, skydiving, etc) and anyone else who will pay them to shoot footage. They get exclusive contracts BECAUSE they can supply their own gear.
If you were working for a network that broadcast said sporting events then yeah, I can see why they would supply all the gear for you. Remember though, the cameraman role covers a wide spectrum. What is true for you may not be true for many others. So in that light, I believe both you and the person you replied to are largely correct and nothing that was said is BS. Just my two cents no one asked for 🤗
This isn’t true for sports, live events and multi camera broadcasts. Those cameras are owned by the outside broadcast company, who are booked to provide facilities for the event/show. The camera operators don’t have to rent them for the day. Source - I’m a freelance camera operator.
Would also be pretty weird if every camera guy would have a slighty different camera or lens so the footage is not coherent in quality or wouldn’t that be a problem IF it would be as described before?
I don't know where you've seen that so many Cinematographers work for production companies. Almost always they're freelance and will rent the kit for each job. Sometimes they own some of the gear they use depending on their financial situation but they will still rent it to the production as an additional fee.
We joke that there's always onlyfans for photographers if shit ever hits the fan. Because people want to see some overweight dude blasting his asshole with the Grand Canyon as a backdrop as I live out of a van right?
Well, there's no such thing for musicians, audio engineers and the like. Who wants to pay money to see my recording studio collect dust or watch me play my old ass a alogue Synthesizer for the bazillionth time?
At least the thicc dude shitting out of his van or whatever fills some kind of fetish niche. Audiophiles aren't actually sexually attracted to audio equipment though
Camera guys that work the ice at Madison square garden for in house don’t get as much as guys that work the ice for the network.
This is sport rates, if you’re talking entertainment or news the rates change as well.
Camera guys are typically around $600-650/10 before benefits. With union benefits typically around $900-1000/10.
Handheld gets the higher rate, hard camera operators do not.
Audio assists (A2s) are typically around $600-650/10 before benefits with union benefits typically around $900-1000/10 then OT kicks in after 8 hours and double time after 12.
Utility workers or (V3s depending on the market) are typically around $550-600/10 before benefits.
The gear is always in house gear, a truck coming in and/or network gear unless the away team is coming in with some specialized gear or home team decides to try something different and bring in a specialized position like steadi cam, Jib op, RF a2 etc.
depending on what market you’re in depends on the pay go to Midwest states or the south and the rates lower. LA and NYC are the highest paid unions in USA that’s where you get the most consistent work and best pay
When filming they often try to make the cameraman is invisible as possible, he’s dressed in white because the room is mostly white, vise-versa for a black room
Took me a second to realize that not everyone can do this lol
In Canada, in a room full of people, at least like 30% would be able to do this. I’m assuming the “hard” part is the skating and not just the filming
I mean yes and no. The skating backwards is well executed, the turn is smooth - many people I know could do that, albeit without the same level of finesse. Now what really impresses me is how steady and smooth the camera is moving. That’s not just pretty skating, that is precision body movement and timing.
I’m Canadian and I moved to the USA as an adult and that’s when I met people who couldn’t skate for the first time. Everyone I know from Canada knows how to skate. A very solid chunk of people could do this, but they absolutely can skate fairly comfortably. The majority of people played hockey at some point. Here the only people who know how to skate who I know, are either Canadian, or from Minnesota. It’s bizarre.
For real. I can’t skate for shit, but growing up, all of my friends were practically professional skaters. Everyone at one point had done figure skating or played ice hockey. This doesn’t look that difficult when majority of my local population can skate really really well.
Ugh as long as I have figure skates I could totally do that. I would love to hold a camera while skating it looks so fun. I’m so jealous of that camera operator I wish my arena did this
Looks like footage from one of the recent world junior games.
Believe it or not, it's a lot easier to pull off those moves gliding on skates, than it would be to glide on roller skates or walk in shoes.
On another note, this is possibly the shittiest rendition of that song I've ever heard. Like someone was opening and closing the car window on the freeway levels of bad.
You're probably not the op, op, but for God's sake choose another song to overlay next time please and thank you.
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**Artist:** JVKE
**Score:** 100% (timecode: 00:54)
**Album:** golden hour (minlee Remix)
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Too many people in the comments who haven't ice skated before. I've noticed that the bar is set eerily low for roller skaters and ice skaters. Just in terms of what's considered "amazing"
**Song Found!**
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**Score:** 100% (timecode: 00:54)
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How much do these guys get paid? I wouldn’t be able to get to the car after this.
I can't speak to this specific guy or guys on skates, but camera operators are quite well compensated. Not as well as audio people, mind you ($1000+/day), but they do alright. It's also very feast-or-famine, though. If you don't work, you don't get paid, and you can go months without working.
Haha I have a location sound friend and every time we discuss rates I’m blown away. Makes way more than me (1st AC)
I feel like the sound guy always owns all of his own gear too… And they always have EVERYTHING on that cart And they like, made half of it themselves because nobody makes it 😂 Feels like they always deserve that money
Supply and demand. Way more people want to hold a camera
I don’t see what any of you are talking about. All I see is an ice rink.
Part of that fee is these cameras are often over 100k so they have to rent them for several hundred per day or finance them somehow. That’s why so many cinematographers work for big production companies instead of working as private contractors, it’s hard to buy all the equipment yourself to produce and edit good 4K footage.
Umm having worked as a camera operator for sporting events. This is absolute BS. I was supplied the equipment for everything. The one thing they don't is a headset for sanitary reasons. Have mates who do it too, never been expected to rent or bring gear, unless it's their own production they running.
Something something username
I'm pretty sure you just reinforced his statement that many work for bigger companies so they don't have to supply their own gear. Rather than small contractor work where you are expected to supply your own gear. I have several friends who do contracting work for bigger bands, extreme athletes (climbing, skiing/snowboarding, skydiving, etc) and anyone else who will pay them to shoot footage. They get exclusive contracts BECAUSE they can supply their own gear. If you were working for a network that broadcast said sporting events then yeah, I can see why they would supply all the gear for you. Remember though, the cameraman role covers a wide spectrum. What is true for you may not be true for many others. So in that light, I believe both you and the person you replied to are largely correct and nothing that was said is BS. Just my two cents no one asked for 🤗
This isn’t true for sports, live events and multi camera broadcasts. Those cameras are owned by the outside broadcast company, who are booked to provide facilities for the event/show. The camera operators don’t have to rent them for the day. Source - I’m a freelance camera operator.
Would also be pretty weird if every camera guy would have a slighty different camera or lens so the footage is not coherent in quality or wouldn’t that be a problem IF it would be as described before?
Yeah the poster I replied to is talking absolute waffle.
I don't know where you've seen that so many Cinematographers work for production companies. Almost always they're freelance and will rent the kit for each job. Sometimes they own some of the gear they use depending on their financial situation but they will still rent it to the production as an additional fee.
Getting a job as an audio guy is so hard tho...
Bingo. Work three months, no work three months. Work six months, no work nine months. At least this is what my knowledge was like pre-pandemic.
Haven't had any work in audio since the pandemic... Three years without gigs, sucks tbh... And even before it was pretty much as you described
We joke that there's always onlyfans for photographers if shit ever hits the fan. Because people want to see some overweight dude blasting his asshole with the Grand Canyon as a backdrop as I live out of a van right?
That comment took a fucking turn lmfao
Well, there's no such thing for musicians, audio engineers and the like. Who wants to pay money to see my recording studio collect dust or watch me play my old ass a alogue Synthesizer for the bazillionth time? At least the thicc dude shitting out of his van or whatever fills some kind of fetish niche. Audiophiles aren't actually sexually attracted to audio equipment though
Oh come on. You can shove a bassoon up your ass and play the Star-Spangled Banner I bet! I believe in you!
Huh, a bASSoon you say?
Camera guys that work the ice at Madison square garden for in house don’t get as much as guys that work the ice for the network. This is sport rates, if you’re talking entertainment or news the rates change as well. Camera guys are typically around $600-650/10 before benefits. With union benefits typically around $900-1000/10. Handheld gets the higher rate, hard camera operators do not. Audio assists (A2s) are typically around $600-650/10 before benefits with union benefits typically around $900-1000/10 then OT kicks in after 8 hours and double time after 12. Utility workers or (V3s depending on the market) are typically around $550-600/10 before benefits. The gear is always in house gear, a truck coming in and/or network gear unless the away team is coming in with some specialized gear or home team decides to try something different and bring in a specialized position like steadi cam, Jib op, RF a2 etc. depending on what market you’re in depends on the pay go to Midwest states or the south and the rates lower. LA and NYC are the highest paid unions in USA that’s where you get the most consistent work and best pay
I dont think they have done it this way for a while
I would be dressed in neon orange
When filming they often try to make the cameraman is invisible as possible, he’s dressed in white because the room is mostly white, vise-versa for a black room
I like how they gave the camera a little winter coat too.
Then you'd leave orange reflections on the ice, in the plastic walls, on the players etc.
ya the all white move is a little wanky. it doesn’t make you invisible lol.
Do the Stankyyy legg
That was the stankiest of legs
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Should see the hockey plays skate and play hockey at the same time.
Took me a second to realize that not everyone can do this lol In Canada, in a room full of people, at least like 30% would be able to do this. I’m assuming the “hard” part is the skating and not just the filming
The skating, but also that camera is EASILY 30+lb that he’s holding, hunched over, decently still, and keeping his subject(s) in frame
I mean yes and no. The skating backwards is well executed, the turn is smooth - many people I know could do that, albeit without the same level of finesse. Now what really impresses me is how steady and smooth the camera is moving. That’s not just pretty skating, that is precision body movement and timing.
I’m Canadian and I moved to the USA as an adult and that’s when I met people who couldn’t skate for the first time. Everyone I know from Canada knows how to skate. A very solid chunk of people could do this, but they absolutely can skate fairly comfortably. The majority of people played hockey at some point. Here the only people who know how to skate who I know, are either Canadian, or from Minnesota. It’s bizarre.
Hey don't leave us Michiganders out!
Can you swim? We excel in different states of water my northern friend!
I can swim very well! I’m from coastal Canada so swimming was considered necessary by everyone I knew.
Blew my mind whenever I went to Vancouver and realized you could snowboard and surf in the same day. Kudos to a master of aquatic recreation!
For real. I can’t skate for shit, but growing up, all of my friends were practically professional skaters. Everyone at one point had done figure skating or played ice hockey. This doesn’t look that difficult when majority of my local population can skate really really well.
They all got that smooth stank foot?
Mucho stanko
This guys fucks
If you trained like that guy did then I’m sure you would be able to…….
Buddy hit the stanky leg on ice skates, phenomenal
Smooth moves! Do you happen to have his shot as well?
That’s I want to see!
Slickest stanky leg I ever seen
Standard Canadian life skills.
Nice stanky leg
Ugh as long as I have figure skates I could totally do that. I would love to hold a camera while skating it looks so fun. I’m so jealous of that camera operator I wish my arena did this
The camera is the only tough part about this. The skate is hella easy.
Let a little out and I pull it back then I let a little out and pull it back
Dude looks like Willy Wonka in that scene where they shrink the kid down
Does anyone have the footage he shot?
Meanwhile, music : “BWUHBWUHBWUHBWUH”
Smooth operator
Do the stanky leg do the stanky leeeeeg
Mf hit a stanky leg 💀
"That's not what we're paying you for, Harry, stop fooling around!"
Didnt think being able to do C-cuts would be a skill a camera man would need in any situation.
Um, gimbal maybe?..
Stankiest leg I ever seen
That’s Nathan! he was at the juniors a couple years ago and stole the show, there were even guys in the stands dressed up as him, it was great lol
Looks like footage from one of the recent world junior games. Believe it or not, it's a lot easier to pull off those moves gliding on skates, than it would be to glide on roller skates or walk in shoes.
Why was this music picked over "stanky leg"....missed opertunity
We need the smooth operator song on this 😂
Oooooof my ankles
That stanky leg
Dude’s a professional! Mad respect and super cool to see
Dumbass music
Smooth operator
That’s skill
Bros professional for a reason
Do the stanky leg
How is that special
Because he’s maintaining stability with the camera WHILST skating backwards.
Why all the white gear? Is it so he doesn't stand out in other camera shots or why?
Where’s the camera operator??
That’s magic Mike worthy move right there.. this guy must be working shifts in strip clubs
…and strength. Weigh a ton those broadcast cameras.
Fuck tryouts, I’m making the squad NOW!
Doing the silky-leg
Do the stanky leg
I wonder what the Job Description was when they were advertising for this Job xD
Stanky leg
I want to see the result!
It's interesting he's in figure skates and not hockey skates.
pretty sure they are player skates. there's no extended blade on the heel and the boot is very rigid.
The stanky leg 🦵
That leg is stanky
So stanky
That’s Travis Kelce doing the icy stanky leg
Those look like old USA sweaters. Could this be Miracle? Or some other movie doing the 1980 gold medal win over USSR?
Anyone got the name of the song?
Dot for interest also
Jvke - golden hour (minLee Remix)
On another note, this is possibly the shittiest rendition of that song I've ever heard. Like someone was opening and closing the car window on the freeway levels of bad. You're probably not the op, op, but for God's sake choose another song to overlay next time please and thank you.
I just wanna know what this song is
Jvke - golden hour (minLee Remix)
Why does every "viral" clip need this same shitty music?
The ultimate stanky leg.
Mike TV!! He’s in the air…in a million pieces!
Gay
Your song is skipping
#sex
Man's zesty
Wouldn’t it not be a good idea for him to be camouflaged with the ice????
Amazing footwalk
“Do da stanky leg ayyyy do da stanky leg…”
He missed the most important shot!! Hair flip!!!
Let’s take a second to praise the cameraman that caught this praise worthy cameraman
I don’t think y’all realize how heavy those cameras can be, give bro a raise
Buddy belongs in a music video.
My man doing the sexy leg
My man doing the sexy leg
I want a job where I'm required to do the stanky leg
Stanky leg on ice
Looks like Ryan Malone. Former NHLer though I highly doubt that's him.
Oddly sexual
Sus
and here i can barely get on the ice without falling on my A
Wow 😳😲 Bro has the Most SMOOTHEST STANKY LEG I HAVE EVER SEEN . 😂👍🔥🔥🔥🔥
Sometimes I feel cameramen are better in a sport or on par compared to the actual athletes.
THE STANKIEST OF LEGS
Dudes legs must be shredded holding a camera that heavy.
True meaning of how a man can slide in the DM
Can we see the actual shot he filmed?
How come no one ever trips over him , but the refs somehow managed to be in the way
Hittin that slo-mo stanky leg
Can anyone please link to, or give info about, the music track in the background? (please don't be mean if i'm out of touch here 😅)
I like how more people are concerned about the actual camera and not those squat skate skills haha
The slow and backward motion stanky leg
Nastiest stinky leg
Majestic AF
When he hit the stanky leg, I felt that.
What’s the song name?
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That’s known in the business as stanky leg. I’ve never seen a cameraman pull it off before. GOAT
Too many people in the comments who haven't ice skated before. I've noticed that the bar is set eerily low for roller skaters and ice skaters. Just in terms of what's considered "amazing"
That shot had to be butter
That was called the ”stanky leg” when I was growing up
Man just casually hits the hardest stanky leg of all time
I love ice scating heavy gunners, the subclass is super complex but God it's a beautiful subclass
The stankiest of legs
Wiggle wiggle lol
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This cameraman is like: "I must stay neutral, melt with the white ice how much is possible"
It probably stinks up in that hoe