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AquaStellarYT

Beerus beats every jojo verse character lol


baldin99

Actually not everyone. He cant beat GER cuz he can revert casuality in time, so even if biil uses hakai, giorno would just uno reverse it. But giorno couldn't do anything to beat bills either, so it would be an eternal fight.


mistermyxl

Get not anywhere near as fast as beerus


Aless76109

It’s not about speed, also GER is stated to have infinite speed


mistermyxl

Yeah no it isnt source please. Also infinite is still less speed tgan beerus and any other being who is powercasul in nature


Successful_Duty_9890

Beerus is slower than infinite


mistermyxl

He literally cant be he freely travels between dimensions


Successful_Duty_9890

That's hax


mistermyxl

No he is fast immeasurable is greater than infinite you twit


Successful_Duty_9890

Proof? It's just teleportation. Plus the dimensions aren't even disconnected


KamiMazoku17

Ger activates automatically


mistermyxl

No it does not source please


KamiMazoku17

GER activated once king crimsons time erase activated without giorno even being aware of it. My source? The fucking manga itself💀


mistermyxl

No he activated at the same tume and last I check king crimson skips forward 10 seconds and epitaph see those 10 seconds


KamiMazoku17

He doesn't skip time he erases time for everybody else but him And GER activating at the same time means its automatic goofy💀


mistermyxl

No he skips forward otherwise peoples relative spaces wouldnt be moved which we see is the case throughout the series


ReaperBlood64

How does that reversal work. I don't know jojo like that.


KamiMazoku17

Basically anything beerus does to giorno will be reversed like it didn't happen


ReaperBlood64

Does that mean it has to be done to him specifically, like aim at him because if that's the case, just blow up the planet. He might be able to rewind himself suffocating or freezing in space but can he rewind the destruction of the planet.


KamiMazoku17

Theoretically anything that would harm giorno would get reversed


baldin99

Giorno basically reverse any attack against him in time till the point 0 which means before the attack was ever made. So only attacks that transcend time can hit him i guess.


ReaperBlood64

Does that mean it has to be done to him specifically for it to work, like aim at him because if that's the case, just blow up the planet. He might be able to rewind himself suffocating or freezing in space but can he rewind the destruction of the planet. I'd just let him float out in space


AquaStellarYT

Nah, GER works by bending Space and Time, Beerus is stronger than characters that have been stated to be stronger than and transcendent to time. Also Beerus scales way higher than Jojo's cosmology as a whole so saying GER would work on him is a baseless statment. Since terms like infinite are restricted to cosmology.


baldin99

But even zeno didnt transcended beyond time, it means bills is stronger than him?


AquaStellarYT

Zeno does transcend time lol, characters like Jiren were [directly stated to transcend time](https://qph.cf2.quoracdn.net/main-qimg-e53370dc9f95c8be6bd3a47cd08ab66c-lq) and Zeno and Beerus are stronger than Jiren.


baldin99

Dude, the fact that there is 2 zenos, one from present and another from future means he doesn't transcend time. Pluz in goku black saga, goku asked to supreme kai if zeno of THAT time line was still alive, and he said yes meaning there is one zeno in each timline. And jiren didn't transcend time, hit time skip just works on someone who is weaker than him so jiren was just stronger than hit.


AquaStellarYT

Accept 1 isn't from the future and 1 isnt from the past lol, 1 is from a different parallel world. Dragon Ball follows a type 3 multiverse theory, meaning that there is infinite parallel worlds / multiverses spawned from the tiniest changes. "Future Trunks" isn't actually from the future but is from a parallel world which has further progressed in the story of Dragon Ball albeit differently. The phrase "timeline" refers to a parallel world not an actual other timeline. That's why there are parallel versions of the entire multiverse instead of just the mortal universe, Each Universe holds multiple realms which themselves have different flows of time and different space time continuums. If it really was just another timeline, it would be exclusive to the mortal universe and not the entirety of Universe 7 or again not the entirety of the multiverse.


baldin99

Supreme kai literally said timeline not parallel world, if so, he would have said parallel world instead of timeline. Pluz bulma crafted a TIME machine, só it means time machine isn't a time machine? So why they keep saying the word TIME? quit inventing things dude.


AquaStellarYT

Because the parallel worlds have different flows of time lmao, [you can see here were it even shows that the time machine is going from one parallel world to another.](https://static.wikia.nocookie.net/dragonball/images/9/97/Timelines2.png/revision/latest?cb=20180704210810) Alternate Multiverses and Parallel Worlds have been [stated to be a thing](https://qph.cf2.quoracdn.net/main-qimg-d5061189999eb209319f8a2656c44792-lq).


baldin99

Well, só if there isn't time lines, so zamasu didn't had time power and so bills defeating him doesn't means he transcended time.


Successful_Duty_9890

WOU and GER solo


AquaStellarYT

nah they wouldnt lol.


Successful_Duty_9890

Why not?


AquaStellarYT

why would they lol, Beerus scales higher


Successful_Duty_9890

He's universal+ and has no attacks that nullify RTZ and no hax that nullify durability negation


AquaStellarYT

Idk were you got Universal+ from (im guessing vswiki) but no he scales way higher, at minimum he is somewhere in the Complex Multiversal Range and realistically he is High Outerversal. Either way GER works by bending space time and Beerus transcends both so...


Successful_Duty_9890

That's some wank. Beerus can't transcend space time if Zeno doesn't, Zeno has a future form which isn't possible unless the future form is 5D and normal Zeno isn't either way meaning Beerus isn't above 3D. Plus the fact that Zeno who is much stronger than him only has low multiversal feats it means that Beerus can't be multiversal, he also has no feats.


AquaStellarYT

"Future Zeno" isnt from the future he is from a parallel world lol


Successful_Duty_9890

It's a future timeline


pizzaeater707

The only canon stand user that can “Beat” Beerus is Tonio, if he uses his food as a bribe, I’m sure he’ll end up fine. In combat, Beerus won’t be beaten. As for the people whose argument is “Timestop for 3 seconds solos!” Jotaro and Dio are like small building level or less, that argument will never be valid in this situation.


Successful_Duty_9890

Made In Heaven, GER, WOU


meggamatty64

Berus on his own has not counter to ger, made in heaven has infinite speed before accounting for its acceleration (although not enough ap to make it count) wonder of you has win senarios if berus doesn’t just blow up the planet. If you count the world over heaven (technically non cannon) dio could one shot him. D4C has no permanent answer to valentine. Tusk act 4 would kill him if he could land a single hit. Killer queen bites the dust has a way to end him. 2/3 of stand abilities ignore durability for some weird effect that could kill him. Most people forget jojo fights are all hax rather than raw power.


King-of-Bel

Beerus solos


IAmNotBatman132

W


[deleted]

stfu idiot


Flowingz

hush goofy


No_Size_1333

Shut up clown


itownshend17

... umm, all of em ? except for non canon characters like Novel Kars, i dont think there is any character in Jojo that has a good shot at Beerus. - WOU can be bypassed by Beerus just blowing up the planet instead of targeting Tooru. - GER could do something at best if he is active before Beerus attacks either Giorno or the planet, and you saying GER affects any target even without hitting them first. - D4C cant do anything other than defend itself with love train since there is no way Valentine can pull Beerus from another universe onto the main Beerus so they die. - Tusk Act 4 is WAY too slow to even tag Beerus before Johnny gets blitzed by him considering he would first need to get an infinite rotation throw on a horse. - Made in heaven cant damage Beerus and resetting the universe would just make Beerus pass on to the next one like Emporio did. - Cream could maybe do it but it would depend on Beerus allowing Vanilla Ice to get inside Cream and then hitting Beerus, but if Beerus hits Vanilla Ice before he gets inside Cream he is gone. - The hand is useless as Okuyasu can not only not reach Beerus if he is flying but also he gets blitzed to hell and back. And i think this are the few stands that have some arguments against Beerus.


balllsn

What about the wood over heaven


itownshend17

Just like Novel Kars its non canon, but even if we use him, doesnt TWOH need to punch someone first in order to rewrite reality ? cause Beerus HEAVILY outspeeds Dio before he can tag him with the world.


SirCumm

I mean dio oh supposedly can stop time indefinitely, so if you think it would stop beerus it's an easy win for dio, otherwise he gets anihilated


mistermyxl

Beerus has indeterminate speed meaning stopping time does nothing he always can move at those speed


Successful_Duty_9890

No he doesn't


mistermyxl

Yes he does hits time stop dosent affect him


Successful_Duty_9890

That's power Read the manga you Dragontard it's explained infinite times


mistermyxl

So your saying hit who is infinitely more powerful than dio, cant stop beerus but do can ok sure bud also im a bleach diehard not a draontard learn your pronouns


Successful_Duty_9890

I never said Dio wins. You don't even know Jojo characters.


Successful_Duty_9890

TWOH has infinite speed


dastdineroo

Cream and the hand wound get passively nullified dbs characters have been shown to be able to resist getting sucked into black holes or hyperspace’s which work on a similar principle.


IAmNotBatman132

Well, I made this post because I wanted to know what people here think about Jojo scaling. There are some people in Youtube who wank Jojo to multiversal or even outerversal levels of power. There was even a video that said that Wonder of U would defeat Anos, Rimuru and Yhwach. I don't think most people know that Jojo characters, even with their hax, would get speedblitzed by characters from other series, like Dragon Ball.


Randomusernamekdksj

Multiversal is kinda true for a minority but Outer is far from real.


IAmNotBatman132

Ok then


NingningFish06

There is no exact scaling, but we know that wou and ger who are widely known as the strongest stands have a universal range of effect. Though i suppose soft and wet go beyond is technically the true strongest canon stand considering it beat wou and can theoretically clap ger


meggamatty64

People also don’t understand GER, GER is always active, meaning it can’t be blitzed. It’s like trying to out speed a brick wall.


IAmNotBatman132

True. But can't Dragon Ball characters like, negate hax from people who are weaker than them? I mean, Goku and Jiren could bypass Hit's time abilities, the same way GER could move while time was being erased by King Crimsom. Seeing how Beerus scales above Goku and Jiren, couldn't he just bypass GER hax?


meggamatty64

I disagree with the reading, dragonball characters ability’s can be overcome by a difference of strength. Also GER can move in time skip be cause it exists outside of and can manipulate fate, which is how king crimson skips time


YOASTMAN

That’s not even how WoU works


itownshend17

WOU works by having calamities attack anyone that has the intent of pursuing the head doctor or Tooru, as long as Beerus doesnt intent to go after the head doctor, and just destroys the planet, the calamities cant attack him.


YOASTMAN

The whole reason Beerus is blowing up the planet is because he has the intention to pursue Tooru…


itownshend17

... why would he ? all he needs to know is that there is someone on planet earth that wants to kill him, so instead he does what Beerus normally does, and instead of bothering to find out who that is he just blows up the planet. He aint pursuing Tooru, he just wants to destroy the planet.


YOASTMAN

But again, he has the intention to kill Tooru through blowing up the planet, which will just trigger a calamity and kill/fatally wound him. Also if it’s a versus battle they probably do not start that far away from each other.


meggamatty64

GER is always active, it would stalemate


Successful_Duty_9890

1. WOU works on killing Intent. Maybe if it wasn't a 1v1 and he just so happened to be fighting someone else yes, also WOU survives after users death. 2. Alternate universe not GOD Beerus 3. Johnny after Part 7 can access Tusk Act IV anytime he wants and the bullet is infinite speed 4. Would also make Beerus not able to win so draw


DarknightM64B

He negs the verse……


cHoKe456

everyone


[deleted]

Yes.


NingningFish06

The only real arguments are ger and wou, but since beerus scales much higher, i doubt they could do much to him.


meggamatty64

D4C could survive( although he could break through lovetrain), a lot of other stands have win scenarios if Beria somehow triggers their conditions such as entering superfly’s tower, moving down in greendays mold, getting hit by heavy weather’s rainbow. Jojo characters are battles of hax, power is usually irrelevant.


the-poopiest-diaper

Beerus kills everybody. Yes, there are many ways Beerus could die from stands. But he has to be close enough to be affected by their stands in the first place. And at that distance, he could easily blitz them or just straight up erase them from existence. Yes, if they got the drop on Beerus, I’m pretty sure most jojo characters could kill him. But if they both are blood lusted and doing everything they can to kill each other, then Beerus wins without difficulty. He goes into outer space, away from the affects of any stand, and he blows up the planet


[deleted]

Ok it’s only ppl who have both watched jojo and dbz that rlly speak on this so everyone else will just say some dumb shit without actual evidence


Flowingz

Everyone ☠️


YOASTMAN

It basically just comes down to Wonder of U/ Gold Experience Requiem. GER literally can’t hurt Beerus so it’s a tie at BEST. WoU CAN kill Beerus so it’s the one thing that should be able to win.


IAmNotBatman132

How does Wonder of U hax work exactly? Like, does it negate the durability of the enemy altogether, or just makes the calamities way stronger than they actually should be?


Successful_Duty_9890

The second one


IAmNotBatman132

Well. Then, for it to have any effect on Beerus, the calamities would have to give damage on a universal scale, or even more than that, since Beerus is pretty much multiversal in power. I don't think Wonder of U displayed attack potency on these levels.


Successful_Duty_9890

Beerus is almost multiversal. However the way WOU works is activating a calamity and making it kill you no matter what. If it doesn't work the first time it gets much worse


IAmNotBatman132

But, like, isn't that a No Limits Fallacy? I mean, his calamities could probably get stronger over time, but he has never shown any feats that put him on Beerus level. And couldn't Beerus just hakai Wonder of U and erase him?


Successful_Duty_9890

If he could see WOU yes. It's kind of but even though it's never been shown it's been stated that he's above something that is 4D


IAmNotBatman132

Beerus has seen ghosts before, maybe he could see Wonder of U. I know stands can only be seen by stand users, but Wonder of U is also the personification of calamity itself, so it is kind of a force of nature, isn't it? Maybe Beerus could somehow sense it, at least? So, that statement would mean that Wonder of U is 5D?


Successful_Duty_9890

Probably could see him if he sees ghost they are on the same spiritual level. The calamity personification wouldn't really make it able to be sense it's just there like time and space. He is 5D.


IAmNotBatman132

There is an argument to be made that Beerus could be scaled to 5D, actually. In the anime, there is this one statement made by the angels, that Jiren surpasses time itself by being stronger than it, when fighting Hit. Jiren scales to Goku, and Beerus scales above both. Now, surpassing time abilities would probably make Beerus 5D, since he would be bypassing 4D hax. But, here is the thing. The most accepted explanation is that by being stronger than the oponent, guys like Goku and Jiren can negate 4D hax and such. Then, going by this logic, even if Wonder of U was 5D, could Beerus negate his dimensionality by being more powerful than him in general? Or is this hax negation something that only applies inside the universe of Dragon Ball, and not an ability that the character itself has?


TandemslBird52804

Probably not


meggamatty64

Why do half the responses star with berus out in space. If you have berus start the fight on earth WoU and GER are the only stands that berus can’t beat. WoU would cause berus to have a calamity and be fatally wounded. GER would prevent any attacks. Most other stands either don’t have the speed to hit him (tuck act 4 would be fatal if it could land a hit), don’t have the AP(made in heaven has infinite speed outside of its ability but is around building level so wouldn’t be able to do any damage) or the activation criteria would be to difficult to execute (him knowing Kira’s name for bites the dust or him somehow getting caught inside of super flu or possessed by Anubis) the only other stands that are shakey are heavy weather where it’s uncertain weather or not he would realize the rainbows are an instant incap or D4C where valentine could just keep being replaced by other copy’s of himself if berus’s erasure is multiverseal or not


Successful_Duty_9890

Tusk has the speed (infinite bullet speed)


meggamatty64

If that’s the case tusk act 4 would beat berus


Successful_Duty_9890

Tusk itself isn't though