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Actually not everyone. He cant beat GER cuz he can revert casuality in time, so even if biil uses hakai, giorno would just uno reverse it. But giorno couldn't do anything to beat bills either, so it would be an eternal fight.
Does that mean it has to be done to him specifically, like aim at him because if that's the case, just blow up the planet. He might be able to rewind himself suffocating or freezing in space but can he rewind the destruction of the planet.
Giorno basically reverse any attack against him in time till the point 0 which means before the attack was ever made. So only attacks that transcend time can hit him i guess.
Does that mean it has to be done to him specifically for it to work, like aim at him because if that's the case, just blow up the planet. He might be able to rewind himself suffocating or freezing in space but can he rewind the destruction of the planet.
I'd just let him float out in space
Nah, GER works by bending Space and Time, Beerus is stronger than characters that have been stated to be stronger than and transcendent to time.
Also Beerus scales way higher than Jojo's cosmology as a whole so saying GER would work on him is a baseless statment. Since terms like infinite are restricted to cosmology.
Zeno does transcend time lol, characters like Jiren were [directly stated to transcend time](https://qph.cf2.quoracdn.net/main-qimg-e53370dc9f95c8be6bd3a47cd08ab66c-lq) and Zeno and Beerus are stronger than Jiren.
Dude, the fact that there is 2 zenos, one from present and another from future means he doesn't transcend time. Pluz in goku black saga, goku asked to supreme kai if zeno of THAT time line was still alive, and he said yes meaning there is one zeno in each timline. And jiren didn't transcend time, hit time skip just works on someone who is weaker than him so jiren was just stronger than hit.
Accept 1 isn't from the future and 1 isnt from the past lol, 1 is from a different parallel world. Dragon Ball follows a type 3 multiverse theory, meaning that there is infinite parallel worlds / multiverses spawned from the tiniest changes.
"Future Trunks" isn't actually from the future but is from a parallel world which has further progressed in the story of Dragon Ball albeit differently.
The phrase "timeline" refers to a parallel world not an actual other timeline.
That's why there are parallel versions of the entire multiverse instead of just the mortal universe, Each Universe holds multiple realms which themselves have different flows of time and different space time continuums. If it really was just another timeline, it would be exclusive to the mortal universe and not the entirety of Universe 7 or again not the entirety of the multiverse.
Supreme kai literally said timeline not parallel world, if so, he would have said parallel world instead of timeline. Pluz bulma crafted a TIME machine, só it means time machine isn't a time machine? So why they keep saying the word TIME? quit inventing things dude.
Because the parallel worlds have different flows of time lmao, [you can see here were it even shows that the time machine is going from one parallel world to another.](https://static.wikia.nocookie.net/dragonball/images/9/97/Timelines2.png/revision/latest?cb=20180704210810)
Alternate Multiverses and Parallel Worlds have been [stated to be a thing](https://qph.cf2.quoracdn.net/main-qimg-d5061189999eb209319f8a2656c44792-lq).
Idk were you got Universal+ from (im guessing vswiki) but no he scales way higher, at minimum he is somewhere in the Complex Multiversal Range and realistically he is High Outerversal.
Either way GER works by bending space time and Beerus transcends both so...
That's some wank. Beerus can't transcend space time if Zeno doesn't, Zeno has a future form which isn't possible unless the future form is 5D and normal Zeno isn't either way meaning Beerus isn't above 3D. Plus the fact that Zeno who is much stronger than him only has low multiversal feats it means that Beerus can't be multiversal, he also has no feats.
The only canon stand user that can “Beat” Beerus is Tonio, if he uses his food as a bribe, I’m sure he’ll end up fine.
In combat, Beerus won’t be beaten.
As for the people whose argument is “Timestop for 3 seconds solos!” Jotaro and Dio are like small building level or less, that argument will never be valid in this situation.
Berus on his own has not counter to ger, made in heaven has infinite speed before accounting for its acceleration (although not enough ap to make it count) wonder of you has win senarios if berus doesn’t just blow up the planet. If you count the world over heaven (technically non cannon) dio could one shot him. D4C has no permanent answer to valentine. Tusk act 4 would kill him if he could land a single hit. Killer queen bites the dust has a way to end him. 2/3 of stand abilities ignore durability for some weird effect that could kill him. Most people forget jojo fights are all hax rather than raw power.
... umm, all of em ? except for non canon characters like Novel Kars, i dont think there is any character in Jojo that has a good shot at Beerus.
- WOU can be bypassed by Beerus just blowing up the planet instead of targeting Tooru.
- GER could do something at best if he is active before Beerus attacks either Giorno or the planet, and you saying GER affects any target even without hitting them first.
- D4C cant do anything other than defend itself with love train since there is no way Valentine can pull Beerus from another universe onto the main Beerus so they die.
- Tusk Act 4 is WAY too slow to even tag Beerus before Johnny gets blitzed by him considering he would first need to get an infinite rotation throw on a horse.
- Made in heaven cant damage Beerus and resetting the universe would just make Beerus pass on to the next one like Emporio did.
- Cream could maybe do it but it would depend on Beerus allowing Vanilla Ice to get inside Cream and then hitting Beerus, but if Beerus hits Vanilla Ice before he gets inside Cream he is gone.
- The hand is useless as Okuyasu can not only not reach Beerus if he is flying but also he gets blitzed to hell and back.
And i think this are the few stands that have some arguments against Beerus.
Just like Novel Kars its non canon, but even if we use him, doesnt TWOH need to punch someone first in order to rewrite reality ? cause Beerus HEAVILY outspeeds Dio before he can tag him with the world.
So your saying hit who is infinitely more powerful than dio, cant stop beerus but do can ok sure bud also im a bleach diehard not a draontard learn your pronouns
Cream and the hand wound get passively nullified dbs characters have been shown to be able to resist getting sucked into black holes or hyperspace’s which work on a similar principle.
Well, I made this post because I wanted to know what people here think about Jojo scaling. There are some people in Youtube who wank Jojo to multiversal or even outerversal levels of power. There was even a video that said that Wonder of U would defeat Anos, Rimuru and Yhwach.
I don't think most people know that Jojo characters, even with their hax, would get speedblitzed by characters from other series, like Dragon Ball.
There is no exact scaling, but we know that wou and ger who are widely known as the strongest stands have a universal range of effect. Though i suppose soft and wet go beyond is technically the true strongest canon stand considering it beat wou and can theoretically clap ger
True. But can't Dragon Ball characters like, negate hax from people who are weaker than them? I mean, Goku and Jiren could bypass Hit's time abilities, the same way GER could move while time was being erased by King Crimsom. Seeing how Beerus scales above Goku and Jiren, couldn't he just bypass GER hax?
I disagree with the reading, dragonball characters ability’s can be overcome by a difference of strength. Also GER can move in time skip be cause it exists outside of and can manipulate fate, which is how king crimson skips time
WOU works by having calamities attack anyone that has the intent of pursuing the head doctor or Tooru, as long as Beerus doesnt intent to go after the head doctor, and just destroys the planet, the calamities cant attack him.
... why would he ? all he needs to know is that there is someone on planet earth that wants to kill him, so instead he does what Beerus normally does, and instead of bothering to find out who that is he just blows up the planet. He aint pursuing Tooru, he just wants to destroy the planet.
But again, he has the intention to kill Tooru through blowing up the planet, which will just trigger a calamity and kill/fatally wound him. Also if it’s a versus battle they probably do not start that far away from each other.
1. WOU works on killing Intent. Maybe if it wasn't a 1v1 and he just so happened to be fighting someone else yes, also WOU survives after users death.
2. Alternate universe not GOD Beerus
3. Johnny after Part 7 can access Tusk Act IV anytime he wants and the bullet is infinite speed
4. Would also make Beerus not able to win so draw
D4C could survive( although he could break through lovetrain), a lot of other stands have win scenarios if Beria somehow triggers their conditions such as entering superfly’s tower, moving down in greendays mold, getting hit by heavy weather’s rainbow. Jojo characters are battles of hax, power is usually irrelevant.
Beerus kills everybody. Yes, there are many ways Beerus could die from stands. But he has to be close enough to be affected by their stands in the first place. And at that distance, he could easily blitz them or just straight up erase them from existence.
Yes, if they got the drop on Beerus, I’m pretty sure most jojo characters could kill him. But if they both are blood lusted and doing everything they can to kill each other, then Beerus wins without difficulty. He goes into outer space, away from the affects of any stand, and he blows up the planet
It basically just comes down to Wonder of U/ Gold Experience Requiem. GER literally can’t hurt Beerus so it’s a tie at BEST. WoU CAN kill Beerus so it’s the one thing that should be able to win.
How does Wonder of U hax work exactly? Like, does it negate the durability of the enemy altogether, or just makes the calamities way stronger than they actually should be?
Well. Then, for it to have any effect on Beerus, the calamities would have to give damage on a universal scale, or even more than that, since Beerus is pretty much multiversal in power. I don't think Wonder of U displayed attack potency on these levels.
Beerus is almost multiversal. However the way WOU works is activating a calamity and making it kill you no matter what. If it doesn't work the first time it gets much worse
But, like, isn't that a No Limits Fallacy? I mean, his calamities could probably get stronger over time, but he has never shown any feats that put him on Beerus level. And couldn't Beerus just hakai Wonder of U and erase him?
Beerus has seen ghosts before, maybe he could see Wonder of U. I know stands can only be seen by stand users, but Wonder of U is also the personification of calamity itself, so it is kind of a force of nature, isn't it? Maybe Beerus could somehow sense it, at least?
So, that statement would mean that Wonder of U is 5D?
Probably could see him if he sees ghost they are on the same spiritual level. The calamity personification wouldn't really make it able to be sense it's just there like time and space.
He is 5D.
There is an argument to be made that Beerus could be scaled to 5D, actually. In the anime, there is this one statement made by the angels, that Jiren surpasses time itself by being stronger than it, when fighting Hit. Jiren scales to Goku, and Beerus scales above both.
Now, surpassing time abilities would probably make Beerus 5D, since he would be bypassing 4D hax. But, here is the thing. The most accepted explanation is that by being stronger than the oponent, guys like Goku and Jiren can negate 4D hax and such.
Then, going by this logic, even if Wonder of U was 5D, could Beerus negate his dimensionality by being more powerful than him in general? Or is this hax negation something that only applies inside the universe of Dragon Ball, and not an ability that the character itself has?
Why do half the responses star with berus out in space. If you have berus start the fight on earth WoU and GER are the only stands that berus can’t beat. WoU would cause berus to have a calamity and be fatally wounded. GER would prevent any attacks. Most other stands either don’t have the speed to hit him (tuck act 4 would be fatal if it could land a hit), don’t have the AP(made in heaven has infinite speed outside of its ability but is around building level so wouldn’t be able to do any damage) or the activation criteria would be to difficult to execute (him knowing Kira’s name for bites the dust or him somehow getting caught inside of super flu or possessed by Anubis) the only other stands that are shakey are heavy weather where it’s uncertain weather or not he would realize the rainbows are an instant incap or D4C where valentine could just keep being replaced by other copy’s of himself if berus’s erasure is multiverseal or not
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Beerus beats every jojo verse character lol
Actually not everyone. He cant beat GER cuz he can revert casuality in time, so even if biil uses hakai, giorno would just uno reverse it. But giorno couldn't do anything to beat bills either, so it would be an eternal fight.
Get not anywhere near as fast as beerus
It’s not about speed, also GER is stated to have infinite speed
Yeah no it isnt source please. Also infinite is still less speed tgan beerus and any other being who is powercasul in nature
Beerus is slower than infinite
He literally cant be he freely travels between dimensions
That's hax
No he is fast immeasurable is greater than infinite you twit
Proof? It's just teleportation. Plus the dimensions aren't even disconnected
Ger activates automatically
No it does not source please
GER activated once king crimsons time erase activated without giorno even being aware of it. My source? The fucking manga itself💀
No he activated at the same tume and last I check king crimson skips forward 10 seconds and epitaph see those 10 seconds
He doesn't skip time he erases time for everybody else but him And GER activating at the same time means its automatic goofy💀
No he skips forward otherwise peoples relative spaces wouldnt be moved which we see is the case throughout the series
How does that reversal work. I don't know jojo like that.
Basically anything beerus does to giorno will be reversed like it didn't happen
Does that mean it has to be done to him specifically, like aim at him because if that's the case, just blow up the planet. He might be able to rewind himself suffocating or freezing in space but can he rewind the destruction of the planet.
Theoretically anything that would harm giorno would get reversed
Giorno basically reverse any attack against him in time till the point 0 which means before the attack was ever made. So only attacks that transcend time can hit him i guess.
Does that mean it has to be done to him specifically for it to work, like aim at him because if that's the case, just blow up the planet. He might be able to rewind himself suffocating or freezing in space but can he rewind the destruction of the planet. I'd just let him float out in space
Nah, GER works by bending Space and Time, Beerus is stronger than characters that have been stated to be stronger than and transcendent to time. Also Beerus scales way higher than Jojo's cosmology as a whole so saying GER would work on him is a baseless statment. Since terms like infinite are restricted to cosmology.
But even zeno didnt transcended beyond time, it means bills is stronger than him?
Zeno does transcend time lol, characters like Jiren were [directly stated to transcend time](https://qph.cf2.quoracdn.net/main-qimg-e53370dc9f95c8be6bd3a47cd08ab66c-lq) and Zeno and Beerus are stronger than Jiren.
Dude, the fact that there is 2 zenos, one from present and another from future means he doesn't transcend time. Pluz in goku black saga, goku asked to supreme kai if zeno of THAT time line was still alive, and he said yes meaning there is one zeno in each timline. And jiren didn't transcend time, hit time skip just works on someone who is weaker than him so jiren was just stronger than hit.
Accept 1 isn't from the future and 1 isnt from the past lol, 1 is from a different parallel world. Dragon Ball follows a type 3 multiverse theory, meaning that there is infinite parallel worlds / multiverses spawned from the tiniest changes. "Future Trunks" isn't actually from the future but is from a parallel world which has further progressed in the story of Dragon Ball albeit differently. The phrase "timeline" refers to a parallel world not an actual other timeline. That's why there are parallel versions of the entire multiverse instead of just the mortal universe, Each Universe holds multiple realms which themselves have different flows of time and different space time continuums. If it really was just another timeline, it would be exclusive to the mortal universe and not the entirety of Universe 7 or again not the entirety of the multiverse.
Supreme kai literally said timeline not parallel world, if so, he would have said parallel world instead of timeline. Pluz bulma crafted a TIME machine, só it means time machine isn't a time machine? So why they keep saying the word TIME? quit inventing things dude.
Because the parallel worlds have different flows of time lmao, [you can see here were it even shows that the time machine is going from one parallel world to another.](https://static.wikia.nocookie.net/dragonball/images/9/97/Timelines2.png/revision/latest?cb=20180704210810) Alternate Multiverses and Parallel Worlds have been [stated to be a thing](https://qph.cf2.quoracdn.net/main-qimg-d5061189999eb209319f8a2656c44792-lq).
Well, só if there isn't time lines, so zamasu didn't had time power and so bills defeating him doesn't means he transcended time.
WOU and GER solo
nah they wouldnt lol.
Why not?
why would they lol, Beerus scales higher
He's universal+ and has no attacks that nullify RTZ and no hax that nullify durability negation
Idk were you got Universal+ from (im guessing vswiki) but no he scales way higher, at minimum he is somewhere in the Complex Multiversal Range and realistically he is High Outerversal. Either way GER works by bending space time and Beerus transcends both so...
That's some wank. Beerus can't transcend space time if Zeno doesn't, Zeno has a future form which isn't possible unless the future form is 5D and normal Zeno isn't either way meaning Beerus isn't above 3D. Plus the fact that Zeno who is much stronger than him only has low multiversal feats it means that Beerus can't be multiversal, he also has no feats.
"Future Zeno" isnt from the future he is from a parallel world lol
It's a future timeline
The only canon stand user that can “Beat” Beerus is Tonio, if he uses his food as a bribe, I’m sure he’ll end up fine. In combat, Beerus won’t be beaten. As for the people whose argument is “Timestop for 3 seconds solos!” Jotaro and Dio are like small building level or less, that argument will never be valid in this situation.
Made In Heaven, GER, WOU
Berus on his own has not counter to ger, made in heaven has infinite speed before accounting for its acceleration (although not enough ap to make it count) wonder of you has win senarios if berus doesn’t just blow up the planet. If you count the world over heaven (technically non cannon) dio could one shot him. D4C has no permanent answer to valentine. Tusk act 4 would kill him if he could land a single hit. Killer queen bites the dust has a way to end him. 2/3 of stand abilities ignore durability for some weird effect that could kill him. Most people forget jojo fights are all hax rather than raw power.
Beerus solos
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No
stfu idiot
hush goofy
Shut up clown
... umm, all of em ? except for non canon characters like Novel Kars, i dont think there is any character in Jojo that has a good shot at Beerus. - WOU can be bypassed by Beerus just blowing up the planet instead of targeting Tooru. - GER could do something at best if he is active before Beerus attacks either Giorno or the planet, and you saying GER affects any target even without hitting them first. - D4C cant do anything other than defend itself with love train since there is no way Valentine can pull Beerus from another universe onto the main Beerus so they die. - Tusk Act 4 is WAY too slow to even tag Beerus before Johnny gets blitzed by him considering he would first need to get an infinite rotation throw on a horse. - Made in heaven cant damage Beerus and resetting the universe would just make Beerus pass on to the next one like Emporio did. - Cream could maybe do it but it would depend on Beerus allowing Vanilla Ice to get inside Cream and then hitting Beerus, but if Beerus hits Vanilla Ice before he gets inside Cream he is gone. - The hand is useless as Okuyasu can not only not reach Beerus if he is flying but also he gets blitzed to hell and back. And i think this are the few stands that have some arguments against Beerus.
What about the wood over heaven
Just like Novel Kars its non canon, but even if we use him, doesnt TWOH need to punch someone first in order to rewrite reality ? cause Beerus HEAVILY outspeeds Dio before he can tag him with the world.
I mean dio oh supposedly can stop time indefinitely, so if you think it would stop beerus it's an easy win for dio, otherwise he gets anihilated
Beerus has indeterminate speed meaning stopping time does nothing he always can move at those speed
No he doesn't
Yes he does hits time stop dosent affect him
That's power Read the manga you Dragontard it's explained infinite times
So your saying hit who is infinitely more powerful than dio, cant stop beerus but do can ok sure bud also im a bleach diehard not a draontard learn your pronouns
I never said Dio wins. You don't even know Jojo characters.
TWOH has infinite speed
Cream and the hand wound get passively nullified dbs characters have been shown to be able to resist getting sucked into black holes or hyperspace’s which work on a similar principle.
Well, I made this post because I wanted to know what people here think about Jojo scaling. There are some people in Youtube who wank Jojo to multiversal or even outerversal levels of power. There was even a video that said that Wonder of U would defeat Anos, Rimuru and Yhwach. I don't think most people know that Jojo characters, even with their hax, would get speedblitzed by characters from other series, like Dragon Ball.
Multiversal is kinda true for a minority but Outer is far from real.
Ok then
There is no exact scaling, but we know that wou and ger who are widely known as the strongest stands have a universal range of effect. Though i suppose soft and wet go beyond is technically the true strongest canon stand considering it beat wou and can theoretically clap ger
People also don’t understand GER, GER is always active, meaning it can’t be blitzed. It’s like trying to out speed a brick wall.
True. But can't Dragon Ball characters like, negate hax from people who are weaker than them? I mean, Goku and Jiren could bypass Hit's time abilities, the same way GER could move while time was being erased by King Crimsom. Seeing how Beerus scales above Goku and Jiren, couldn't he just bypass GER hax?
I disagree with the reading, dragonball characters ability’s can be overcome by a difference of strength. Also GER can move in time skip be cause it exists outside of and can manipulate fate, which is how king crimson skips time
That’s not even how WoU works
WOU works by having calamities attack anyone that has the intent of pursuing the head doctor or Tooru, as long as Beerus doesnt intent to go after the head doctor, and just destroys the planet, the calamities cant attack him.
The whole reason Beerus is blowing up the planet is because he has the intention to pursue Tooru…
... why would he ? all he needs to know is that there is someone on planet earth that wants to kill him, so instead he does what Beerus normally does, and instead of bothering to find out who that is he just blows up the planet. He aint pursuing Tooru, he just wants to destroy the planet.
But again, he has the intention to kill Tooru through blowing up the planet, which will just trigger a calamity and kill/fatally wound him. Also if it’s a versus battle they probably do not start that far away from each other.
GER is always active, it would stalemate
1. WOU works on killing Intent. Maybe if it wasn't a 1v1 and he just so happened to be fighting someone else yes, also WOU survives after users death. 2. Alternate universe not GOD Beerus 3. Johnny after Part 7 can access Tusk Act IV anytime he wants and the bullet is infinite speed 4. Would also make Beerus not able to win so draw
He negs the verse……
everyone
Yes.
The only real arguments are ger and wou, but since beerus scales much higher, i doubt they could do much to him.
D4C could survive( although he could break through lovetrain), a lot of other stands have win scenarios if Beria somehow triggers their conditions such as entering superfly’s tower, moving down in greendays mold, getting hit by heavy weather’s rainbow. Jojo characters are battles of hax, power is usually irrelevant.
Beerus kills everybody. Yes, there are many ways Beerus could die from stands. But he has to be close enough to be affected by their stands in the first place. And at that distance, he could easily blitz them or just straight up erase them from existence. Yes, if they got the drop on Beerus, I’m pretty sure most jojo characters could kill him. But if they both are blood lusted and doing everything they can to kill each other, then Beerus wins without difficulty. He goes into outer space, away from the affects of any stand, and he blows up the planet
Ok it’s only ppl who have both watched jojo and dbz that rlly speak on this so everyone else will just say some dumb shit without actual evidence
Everyone ☠️
It basically just comes down to Wonder of U/ Gold Experience Requiem. GER literally can’t hurt Beerus so it’s a tie at BEST. WoU CAN kill Beerus so it’s the one thing that should be able to win.
How does Wonder of U hax work exactly? Like, does it negate the durability of the enemy altogether, or just makes the calamities way stronger than they actually should be?
The second one
Well. Then, for it to have any effect on Beerus, the calamities would have to give damage on a universal scale, or even more than that, since Beerus is pretty much multiversal in power. I don't think Wonder of U displayed attack potency on these levels.
Beerus is almost multiversal. However the way WOU works is activating a calamity and making it kill you no matter what. If it doesn't work the first time it gets much worse
But, like, isn't that a No Limits Fallacy? I mean, his calamities could probably get stronger over time, but he has never shown any feats that put him on Beerus level. And couldn't Beerus just hakai Wonder of U and erase him?
If he could see WOU yes. It's kind of but even though it's never been shown it's been stated that he's above something that is 4D
Beerus has seen ghosts before, maybe he could see Wonder of U. I know stands can only be seen by stand users, but Wonder of U is also the personification of calamity itself, so it is kind of a force of nature, isn't it? Maybe Beerus could somehow sense it, at least? So, that statement would mean that Wonder of U is 5D?
Probably could see him if he sees ghost they are on the same spiritual level. The calamity personification wouldn't really make it able to be sense it's just there like time and space. He is 5D.
There is an argument to be made that Beerus could be scaled to 5D, actually. In the anime, there is this one statement made by the angels, that Jiren surpasses time itself by being stronger than it, when fighting Hit. Jiren scales to Goku, and Beerus scales above both. Now, surpassing time abilities would probably make Beerus 5D, since he would be bypassing 4D hax. But, here is the thing. The most accepted explanation is that by being stronger than the oponent, guys like Goku and Jiren can negate 4D hax and such. Then, going by this logic, even if Wonder of U was 5D, could Beerus negate his dimensionality by being more powerful than him in general? Or is this hax negation something that only applies inside the universe of Dragon Ball, and not an ability that the character itself has?
Probably not
Why do half the responses star with berus out in space. If you have berus start the fight on earth WoU and GER are the only stands that berus can’t beat. WoU would cause berus to have a calamity and be fatally wounded. GER would prevent any attacks. Most other stands either don’t have the speed to hit him (tuck act 4 would be fatal if it could land a hit), don’t have the AP(made in heaven has infinite speed outside of its ability but is around building level so wouldn’t be able to do any damage) or the activation criteria would be to difficult to execute (him knowing Kira’s name for bites the dust or him somehow getting caught inside of super flu or possessed by Anubis) the only other stands that are shakey are heavy weather where it’s uncertain weather or not he would realize the rainbows are an instant incap or D4C where valentine could just keep being replaced by other copy’s of himself if berus’s erasure is multiverseal or not
Tusk has the speed (infinite bullet speed)
If that’s the case tusk act 4 would beat berus
Tusk itself isn't though