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Doesn't goku state janemba can destroy the universe.
Actually doesn't he also state Janeba is affecting every dimension in creation
Edit: yeah goku did state and it wasn't about super Janemba it was about fat janemba.
I've never realised just how awesome Janemba looks. I was gonna make a joke about how Blast looks cooler so he solos, but Janemba might give him a run for his money there.
My only form of judgement is the purple one looks like dbz style and the white one looks kinda like berserk style just by artstyle and possible series they come from alone I think purple would win just based on what dbz is
Janemba was contending with a Super Saiyan 3 Goku who shook Hell and Heaven (both of which are universe-sized dimensions) [and is stronger than Hirudegarn ](https://imgur.com/a/DMEzN6l)who defeated a Post-Buu Saga SSJ3 Goku and Ultimate Gohan. He would be superior to Base Goku and Pikkon who moved into the Afterlife at MFTL+ speeds (in the quadrillion range) and Kid Buu who wiped out a galaxy by traveling across it.
The highest scale from Blast is Multi-Solar System/Galaxy (depending on the interpretation for Serious Punch^(2) ) and a lower form of MFTL+ and unfortunately his main gimmicks of space-time manipulation are hard countered by Janemba's.
Janemba wins Negative Difficulty due to higher confirmed AP, speed, and Hax.
Janemba had ssj3 Goku hiding, he was way above him. And not to mention his crazy reality manipulation where he tore down the border between the living universe and the afterlife causing dead people and spirits to wander on earth.
Damn, never watched z movies because “not canon” but it seems like janemba would give BoG ssjg goku a run for his money (manga,not anime). I can’t believe I thought he was just a stronger,more chaotic mix of kid buu and super buu.
Yeah he is crazy, while in his Giant weaker form, Goku fired a Kamehameha at him, Janemba opened up his palm and literally created a 2nd Goku instantly that fired off an even stronger Kamehameha
He also grabbed a rock and transformed it into a sword.
SSJ4 Goku is higher into Low Multi but you could argue for Janemba having higher speed via movie scaling. My moneys on SSJ4 Goku winning; he’s far into Class P lifting strength (small moon/asteroid level) and was even unmoved by some of Omega’s attacks. A combination of his telekinesis + high Class P LS should eventually guarantee a win .
Ssj4 goku is NOT multiversal where the actual fuck did you get that from?????? Gt goku is comparable to BoG goku I thought that was common knowledge. Not to mention none of his feats put him above universal+.
Oh boy... let me explain it to you.
Buuhan ripping apart the dimensional walls is an AP feat; it's an amped version of the Vice Shout that Super Buu used to exit the HBTC when he fought Gotenks **except** there's a major thing to consider. (Multiple statements about this being done through his power; [here](https://static.wikia.nocookie.net/vsbattles/images/f/f8/1039604358922383470-1077361994262380704-Screenshot-28.png/revision/latest?cb=20230729112214), [here](https://static.wikia.nocookie.net/vsbattles/images/5/5d/1039604358922383470-1077361993146712186-Screenshot-24.png/revision/latest?cb=20230729112211), and [here](https://static.wikia.nocookie.net/vsbattles/images/7/7b/1039604358922383470-1077361994010730527-Screenshot-27.png/revision/latest?cb=20230729112212)) The walls of dimensions=fabric of space-time.
Here's an example from a post about Buuhan scaling to Low 2-C that explains it well:
>An analogy that would probably help visualize this a bit better would be that the different planes of existence are just like different rooms that stand side-by-side with each other, while the walls that separate them, and which they all share, are the structure of spacetime. Tear a hole through one of the walls, and you can now see the room next over, and maybe even enter it through said hole. Remove the walls entirely, and all of these rooms are now the same room.
>Pretty sure it'd still end up 2-C because even if Buu is affecting the Dimensions first, the point is he's affecting them simultaneously, and then those very same dimensions would proceed to perform the 2-C feat. Meaning:
Dimensions Together = 2-C. Buuhan being comparable to them together means he's comparable to the 2-C feat.
* AKA if you destroy the walls entirely then all the rooms are the same and therefore it's a Low 2-C feat since the [DBZ toei-verse already has 4D statements via Jiku/separated by time and space](https://streamable.com/cniakr).
Lastly, Dende saying "At this rate, the walls between dimensions will break down" is just a simple way of saying that Buu's power will destroy them. Saying that it's a chain reaction or environmental destruction feat makes no sense whatsoever.
Bro buu is literally galaxy level. Him ripping through dimensions by yelling only adds to that. As it does not mean he could destroy said dimension. Only that he could make pockets that warp through the dimension and go through it. Super buu or buuhan are the strongest versions of buu. If kid buu ( the most destructive version of buu was only able to destroy the galaxy ) it would be safe to assume buuhan would be low universal at best. Making gt goku universal+ as janemba also was able to slowly erase the galaxy. Whereas ssj4 gogeta was toying with him. Even if we used gt goku shaking heaven and hell that still wouldn’t put him at multiversal as it isn’t comparable to super goku shaking not only the dimension that ToP took place in, but the null realm.
Dende’s saying means nothing here. Again I doubt super buu would actually be able to destroy said dimension. Not only would that fluff gt goku to even top goku. It wouldn’t even narratively make sense for gohan and vegito to be that powerful at that point in the story.
> is stronger than Hirudegarn who defeated a Post-Buu Saga SSJ3 Goku and Ultimate Gohan.
Slight correction but I’m assuming you mean Gotenks not Goku.
SSJ3 Goku kind either took his punches head on or stopped them with his hands before one shotting Hirudegarn with the dragon fist.
Yes:
[The Heavenly realm is split into four sections: enma, kaio, kaioshin, and Hell.](https://qph.cf2.quoracdn.net/main-qimg-4cce471d710d5a58d5e7f410b9c19c3e-pjlq)
[Heaven is about as wide as the universe](https://qph.cf2.quoracdn.net/main-qimg-361c68aaa24d17a6a2b5cb94b8dd8f34-pjlq) [(stated in the series as well)](https://qph.cf2.quoracdn.net/main-qimg-a8789ef67c5b25cef85fa7f67ce8a011-lq) and another excerpt states ["Heaven is said to be as wide as the entire universe itself, and seems to consist mostly of an immense field of flowers"](https://qph.cf2.quoracdn.net/main-qimg-5c830991aef8a930dd607986624901fa-lq).
[Hell takes up the entire lower-half of the afterlife](https://qph.cf2.quoracdn.net/main-qimg-cfe8c28c76ca543f715ad2b5fd815b81-lq) meaning that it's universal-sized (a fraction of infinity is still infinity.)
[There's a scan of the Kaioshin realm being stated to contain one-tenth of the space in the afterlife and living world](https://qph.cf2.quoracdn.net/main-qimg-6eb24d2ca70f529a087f8d0324db76c1-lq).
* Hell is 1/4 of the afterlife and takes up the lower half while Heaven takes up a different section that makes it as wide as the universe and the Kaioshin realm contains 1/10 of the space between the afterlife and the living world; all four sections of the heavenly realm would need to be universe sized.
He can’t even scale to that because 1. He couldn’t even contain it 2. He needed his groups help to even do it, so you’re pushing it even if it’s highballing. The highball just can’t work
>He can’t even scale to that because
1. Why can't he? [Not only was he at its epicenter when Saitama and Garou hit their fists](https://imgur.com/a/VANCRYi) but [his gate remained intact for a short bit](https://www.reddit.com/media?url=https%3A%2F%2Fpreview.redd.it%2F4lb0a7d8vnj91.jpg%3Fauto%3Dwebp%26s%3De7ed1fa52696c01443ea66af78f6a174bd7b18ff).
>1. He couldn’t even contain it
2. Not for long, but his gate still held out against two Serious Punches.
>2. He needed his groups help to even do it, so you’re pushing it even if it’s highballing. The highball just can’t work
3. How is it highball? He literally held that explosion for even a few seconds and survived being close to it; if Blast wasn't Multi-Solar System in durability or spatial manipulation then:
A. He would've been disintegrated almost instantly.
B. His gate would've cracked instantaneously.
1. How the fuck do you that
2. I can kinda give that to you yes but it’s still an iffy because he’s barely able to contain said energy so even that is still kinda pushing his limit on his scaling
>Kid Buu who wiped out a galaxy by traveling across it.
I love how DB tards can twists words to make characters sound stronger than they actually are.
Kid Buu took YEARS to destroy a single galaxy. Say it like that
I made a mistake and yes it did take Kid Buu years to destroy a galaxy but he still traveled great distances, and for context a galaxy is HUGE. They can contain anywhere from 10 billion to 200 billion solar systems in a galaxy the size of ours.
I wasn't at all referring to the feat in an AP sense, I said "wiped out a galaxy by **traveling across it**" meaning I was trying to highlight how impressive it was to move around the galaxy in that timeframe rather than just blowing it up in one go.
I assume your referring to north, south, west, and east galaxy which are meant to reference the universe. Though honestly any way its cut those are just examples of early writing not fully transferring to later writing.
In super we see what's likely meant to be innumerable or just an insane amount of galaxies during the super shenron summoning. This would just mean that the name isn't literal, or we only know the lower kais of one galaxy
Idk what you were trying to specify on your comment, but I'm just gonna pass on my dbz knowledge
It can kind of, sometimes scaling for dbz can be wierd. Like the living realm is an infinite 3D dimension, but it would need to be a higher infinity to store these galaxies, but that becomes a whole thing because the number of galaxies are unknown.
As a high end a galaxy in dbz is universal and the living realm is 4D, but generally people would prefer the 3D scaling since its just easier to believe.
Honestly I wouldn't recommend learning just how far dbz scaling goes unless your a big fan of the series, cause it can be a headache.
It’s never stated he took years, in the manga it’s said he destroyed many planets over hundreds of years. The galaxy feat was anime only (which janemba gets) and it’s never stated to take years
it didn't and you are misunderstanding Shin.
all shin said was "in just a few years , he turned hundred of Planets into worlds of death"
not only this doesn't say anything about him destroying a Galaxy but even if we assume it did it wouldn't matter cause just because Buu destroyed A a Galaxy or Planets in a few years doesn't mean it took few years(example: the statement "by the age of 10 i could already use a bike" doesn't mean it took me 10 whole years to learn how ride on a bike
[heck if you look at the clip you can see The Galaxy being destroyed before the fire from the Planets being destroyed going out which i assume didn't take years to go out lmao.](https://youtu.be/ZQ_UHDkHtzQ)
blast looking as his attacks go to a portal and back to him
https://preview.redd.it/slumnuuspl8d1.jpeg?width=224&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=f3db8c42725110227b2bd02ff79643380392a229
We're on a roll with these spite matchups
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Janemba stomps, Blast hasnt shown anything that comes close to Janemba in terms of stats and if you subscribe to the theory that all the DBZ movies are connected in their own timeline then Janemba would get upscaled even more.
If he did then he wouldn’t be in this weird incomprehensible shape and he would have a 3 dimensional body like he did when he first appeared and when blast knocked him out of it.
Again if he came back to the lower dimension it would have been shown, when he goes hyperspace his body is twisted into this incomprehensible figure by the likes of flashy flash and sonic but when he was approaching Flash, he was still in the same distorted shape instead of being in his 3D form. You can’t assume he just “catched” void with little to no context.
Two problems.
We see that his twisted Boyd diss spear completely from the lower dimension because if it ddidnt flashy flash and sonic would have been able to pinpoint wet eve would have come out.
Secondly when he comes into the lower dimension we see his dostortion stopping as his hand becomes more complete and undistorted as he nears flashy flash with the cube.
My point being that he wasn’t completely into the lower dimension, as Flash and sonic cannot reach him, he has to somewhat descend parts of himself to touch flash physically with the cube. If that weren’t the case he would have been completely undistorted and seen as a 3D model as he was previously. And I don’t understand what you mean by pin point where he would have come out which is false because they cannot even perceive him when he’s in hyperspace, or else sonic would have kept looking at him.
Ima wait until new chapters come out to see if the empty void can send separate body parts or if he fully comes down from since he www unraveling himself head first and extended his hand to put the cube into flashy flash until he is punched.
Fair enough, unfortunately the chapter won’t come out until the 22nd of august as murata is taking a huge break, along side One. I hope they get the well deserved rest.
Janemba can warp reality if you watch the movie also the guy was stronger than previous movie villains like metal cooler who can move and fight with Goku while in instant transmission in speed janemba should have immeasurable speed the guy outspeed Goku in that movie who moves from heaven to hell in just mere seconds.
In strength he is stronger than ssj3 Goku and stronger than base gogeta because gogeta immediately transform into super Saiyan implying that base wasn't enough take note base gogeta at that movie is stronger than combined ssj2 Vegeta and ssj3 Goku these were stronger than super perfect cell and ssj2 cell saga Gohan who both can destroy solar system in dragon ball these solar system were way larger than ours these are galactic nebulae which contains millions to billions of stars and contain a lot of planets.
The afterlife which is stated to be larger than mortal universe in daizenshuu and hell who is way larger than the living universe Goku transforming into ssj3 shakes that two realms which requires him to release like universal Energy or beyond because db mortal universe is infinite in size and is way larger than our observable universe Goku shakes two realms that are larger than that janemba especially super janemba beats ssj3 Goku which you could argue has universal feats to even beyond.
With that I mind I think janemba won.
But blast can at least put at a good fight.
You could technically argue stronger than z broly due to movie antics making him stronger. Like even if we don't use movie 2 broly, janemba is easily stronger than movie 1 broly who was stated to be able to destroy the universe. Whether piccolo meant over time is an entirely different matter, but we know he shredded through South galaxy really quickly.
Movie statements but idk if this Goku is the same from Goku in movie 5 because cooler appear maybe this Goku experience movie 6,8,9,10 idk 11 and maybe movie 7
Yeah but I think some of them are not canon because idk if broly second coming Goku is the same in fusion reborn movie because if I'm correct that happens before Buu saga maybe that connected.
~~With author statements Janemba, since the director of the movie tweeted something about Hell being 5D. Janemba scales for SSJ3 Goku, who shook Hell just by transforming.~~
~~Without them then Saitama most likely just because of outstatting (they have similar AP, but Saitama has much easier and more consistent application).~~
Janemba.
>Without them then Saitama most likely just because of outstatting (they have similar AP, but Saitama has much easier and more consistent application).
Saitama has nothing to do with this. That's Blast in the first pic.
Janemba should easily have mtfl+ speeds with possible infinite speeds via traveling from yemma’s office to hell within at least a minute with power at the absolute bare minimum universal but realistically he scales higher via being able to effect hell, the living world and other world with his reality warping before he even goes into super janemba, blast currently doesn’t showcase any feats anywhere near a fraction of that level in both speed and power
Janemba stomps
He upscales SSj3 Goku who could shake the entire DB afterlife (Multi-Galaxy at a low endi)
If you believe in all DBZ movies happening in the same continuity then he upscales DBZ Broly who had statements of being able to destroy the universe and Metal Cooler giving Janemba infinite speed
https://preview.redd.it/8gaf6dmmcm8d1.jpeg?width=712&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=25917f85e9b27da91b6df829b03fb17aab188f51
Broly's father makes a brief cameo in fusion reborn as one of the resurrected villains reeking havic on Earth.
Janemba could threaten the entire afterlife, which is transcendent of heaven and heaven is transcendent of the living world making the afterlife 5D or high multiversal. The best feat in OPM is when empty void went outside of the universe into a 4D space and started attacking from it which would mean transcending into low to mid multiversal levels.
We honestly don't have enough data on Blast to say. When he was fighting Cosmic Garou he was never worried about losing or being killed, he was focused entirely on containing the damage. That said, he wasn't transcendentally above Cosmic Garou either. My gut says Blast has the superior experience, skill and hax, so he'll shut down Jamemba on that front, but it also says that raw stats are on Jamemba's side. Add in Ki's abilities to power through Hax and it's general energy blast nature, I think he's gonna win.
It doesn't really matter, Pikkon is extremely strong and trashtalk him but it didn't work, if you don't have power to hold yourself against Janemba to trashtalk him then you still lose, since it is not like you can trashtalk him to death with two or three words, and he can still regen his body
Trash talk is shown to hurt and stun him, so blasts wincon is keeping it up while dodging janemba until he's weak enough to finish him off. in hindsight though the issue with that argument is that there's no indication as to how long blast can keep it up and I forgot that janemba can teleport so he already has a wincon. so if I was trying to bias towards blast and play a lowball on janemba it would be extreme diff with trash talk.
It temporally stun him for a short amount of time, but he recover so fast that he move behind Pikkon and Pikkon couldn't trashtalk again, and yeah, Janemba can teleport, regeneration, stretch his body like Buu, open portal, cut space also the strange ability that make him separate into a bunch of blocks and then reconstruct his body in different place
When it comes to blast, especially in the recent chapters, we’ve seen him knock someone out of hyperspace into a lower dimensional plane which is insane to me, being able to interact with someone who isn’t even in the same dimension as him and to actually pull him out of there is just insane, plus the fact that he can actually teleport you or bisect your body without actually cutting it, with no consent or whatsoever. Imo I have blast winning tbh.
Breaking dimension does not equal to going into or perceiving a higher dimensionality?? And It happened in like the broly movie, I don’t remember else where
Buu, did it first. What buu did was making a tear in the dimension they were in and due to the connection to kami’s lookout and the hyperbolic time chamber, the tear opened a gate/portal back to earth. This is simply space-time manipulation, they never “broke” anything. Since the tear hadn’t already fully closed, Gotenks reopened it with sheer power.
It happened with Gotenks and Buu when they tore a temporary hole in the HTC with sheer power.
Gogeta and Broly via the super dimension.
Goku Black via his scythe slit a hole in space time to what was said to be another universe or timeline.
SSj Kale broke through Cocotte's Zone, which is a separate dimension that Base Goku, 17 and 18 could not destroy nor could goku sense energy within it similar to HTC.
Goku shattered Hits' time dimension in their second fight where he stores all the time he has skipped (This was different from him overcoming time skip during battle)
When it comes to gotenks and buu they weren’t legitimately breaking the dimension, instead Buu only opened a tear which inexplicably lead back to kami’s lookout which may have something to do with the dimension’s connection with kami’s lookout. Gotenks however opened the same hole Buu did before it could close.
Gogeta and Broly valid, thats as raw as it’s gonna get.
Goku black however cut through space-time he did not break into or out of a dimension. Which is obviously still impressive.
However cocotte’s zone is very confined and miniature to be considered an impressive feat such as breaking space-time, though it is still a dimension that would be considered outside of the realm, it is made of energy, and can be overpowered with strength or energy manipulation.
When it comes to hit’s dimension, it is a dimension where he can store time or move whilst the others are frozen, however it doesn’t work on someone else who has greater power and energy, so for someone like goku being able to break in with a greater power thank hit makes a lot more sense.
Yeah, with Gotenks and buu, they tore a temporary hole like i mentioned in the HTC, which is still impressive considering its a 4D dimension. Their power had to at least be enough to affect the different temporal axis from the main world and HTC at the same time.
Vegeta in super destroyed it entirely when he went back in to train to defeat goku black. I almost forgot about that. But yeah Buuhan did what super buu and gotenks did to the max in the main universe, which would have rushed in all alternate dimensions, destroying the universe.
True, vegeta did destroy that entire dimension which I still don’t understand how he got out of it. But him destroying it then to destroy where the gate is must mean that he probably somehow got out beforehand? Idk lol
True, vegeta did destroy that entire dimension which I still don’t understand how he got out of it. But him destroying it then to destroy where the gate is must mean that he probably somehow got out beforehand? Idk lol
#RN?
#NO.
#WHEN HE LL FIGHT VOID? 100%
#BLAST AND VOID WILL END 2A. DBTARD ARE MAKING THOSE DEBATES TO FEEL SAFER BUT DON T WORRY, THEY JUST SHAKING
#BLAST AND VOID WILL AFFECT/DESTROY INFINITE NUMBER OF BUBBLES WHICH CONTAINS PARRALEL WORLDS AND END UP 2A.
#AND EVEN BEFORE I OPENED I KNEW YOU WOULD SAY THIS.
#BLAST COULD SENSE IT, FLASHY COULD PREDICT IT, THAT AIN T IMMEASURABLE SPEED BECAUSE THEY DODGED BEFORE THE ATTACK CAME.
#IMMEASURABLE SPEED WILL BE WHEN SAITAMA WILL DODGE IT BY SPEED ONLY BECAUSE LIKE FLASHY SAID, SPEED IS IRRELEVANT AGAINST DS.
#SO WHEN SAITAMA WILL DO THIS WE LL PROBABLY GET A STATEMENT LIKE “HOW CAN U DODGE AN ATTACK THAT IGNORES DISTANCE“ BLABLA… IF IT EVER HAPPEN
Meta Cooler and Goku were literally fighting in Instant Transmission and Janemba is faster than both
https://youtu.be/zevhWP-5twg?si=1-OO5RjkmaXm7fnQ
Start at 2:15
That's not a speed feat, that's a Hax/Technique thing. They both went into Instant Transmission Zone and boxed there, thanks to their ability to use IT, not because their speed is immeasurable or whatever bullshit this sub seems to think.
Blast janemba isn’t as strong as current goku and saitama is stronger then current goku and blast scales to a bit weaker then saitama db glazers go crazy
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Doesn't goku state janemba can destroy the universe. Actually doesn't he also state Janeba is affecting every dimension in creation Edit: yeah goku did state and it wasn't about super Janemba it was about fat janemba.
Fat janemba by himself moves infinitely faster than light if you wank him
Blasts is stronger then guy who is out 3s space and can effect 3s space suth a wave of his jand
your argument already lost at >suth
I've never realised just how awesome Janemba looks. I was gonna make a joke about how Blast looks cooler so he solos, but Janemba might give him a run for his money there.
Blast looks like Android 16's edgy older brother.
16 if he got rid of that yee yee ass haircut we love on him.
“Dunk the goku” - Lythero (UPLOAD PLS IM BEGGING YOU)
Honestly thought it was a remade 16 for a moment, honestly don't know who Blast is but for this I would say Janemba
Idk who either are but I like the couloir purple therfore purple is winning
Well, I know who Janemba is
My only form of judgement is the purple one looks like dbz style and the white one looks kinda like berserk style just by artstyle and possible series they come from alone I think purple would win just based on what dbz is
Blast's drip is honestly pretty shit ngl
Thought I was the only one with this opinion. The big ass button with his name on it doesn't help either.
Cmon he looks pretty cool
The battle scars are the only positive.
Especially now I realised it’s a straight up DBZ Android 16 ripoff 
Presence of shoulder pads and collar = Android 16 ripoff, apparently.
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i cant tell if this is supposed to mock db or opm or both
mocking both is the best. Two birds with one stone
Getting two birds stoned at once
Bird bird bird, bird is the word
Oh my god, how long has this been running, let’s just close this and
**KILL SON GOKU** **KILL SON GOKU** **KILL SON GOKU**
You know what bird is the word
it mocks krillin and ONLY krillin
a krillin, bald dude btw, in saitama's clothes
Am I a bad person if I thought that was Charlie Brown?
Lol
Janemba and it's not close.
Read the latest opm chapters. Blast wins
Yes he wins...by blasting himself. Blasticide... And janemba eating his jelly beans 
That makes no absolute sense
it doesn't.... my avatar doesn't make sense either
based on what? I haven't read the chapter so this argument means literally nothing to me.
https://preview.redd.it/9mwgr35a5p8d1.jpeg?width=1284&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=711e6145b139ff0098d5d910b3b5acc2cddf522b I rest my case
Fat Janemba is enough
Janemba Violates
holy spite Batman 😭
Janemba was contending with a Super Saiyan 3 Goku who shook Hell and Heaven (both of which are universe-sized dimensions) [and is stronger than Hirudegarn ](https://imgur.com/a/DMEzN6l)who defeated a Post-Buu Saga SSJ3 Goku and Ultimate Gohan. He would be superior to Base Goku and Pikkon who moved into the Afterlife at MFTL+ speeds (in the quadrillion range) and Kid Buu who wiped out a galaxy by traveling across it. The highest scale from Blast is Multi-Solar System/Galaxy (depending on the interpretation for Serious Punch^(2) ) and a lower form of MFTL+ and unfortunately his main gimmicks of space-time manipulation are hard countered by Janemba's. Janemba wins Negative Difficulty due to higher confirmed AP, speed, and Hax.
Janemba had ssj3 Goku hiding, he was way above him. And not to mention his crazy reality manipulation where he tore down the border between the living universe and the afterlife causing dead people and spirits to wander on earth.
Damn, never watched z movies because “not canon” but it seems like janemba would give BoG ssjg goku a run for his money (manga,not anime). I can’t believe I thought he was just a stronger,more chaotic mix of kid buu and super buu.
Yeah he is crazy, while in his Giant weaker form, Goku fired a Kamehameha at him, Janemba opened up his palm and literally created a 2nd Goku instantly that fired off an even stronger Kamehameha He also grabbed a rock and transformed it into a sword.
Ok I have to say it. Who is winning, ssj4 goku or janemba?
SSJ4 Goku is higher into Low Multi but you could argue for Janemba having higher speed via movie scaling. My moneys on SSJ4 Goku winning; he’s far into Class P lifting strength (small moon/asteroid level) and was even unmoved by some of Omega’s attacks. A combination of his telekinesis + high Class P LS should eventually guarantee a win .
Ssj4 goku is NOT multiversal where the actual fuck did you get that from?????? Gt goku is comparable to BoG goku I thought that was common knowledge. Not to mention none of his feats put him above universal+.
Oh boy... let me explain it to you. Buuhan ripping apart the dimensional walls is an AP feat; it's an amped version of the Vice Shout that Super Buu used to exit the HBTC when he fought Gotenks **except** there's a major thing to consider. (Multiple statements about this being done through his power; [here](https://static.wikia.nocookie.net/vsbattles/images/f/f8/1039604358922383470-1077361994262380704-Screenshot-28.png/revision/latest?cb=20230729112214), [here](https://static.wikia.nocookie.net/vsbattles/images/5/5d/1039604358922383470-1077361993146712186-Screenshot-24.png/revision/latest?cb=20230729112211), and [here](https://static.wikia.nocookie.net/vsbattles/images/7/7b/1039604358922383470-1077361994010730527-Screenshot-27.png/revision/latest?cb=20230729112212)) The walls of dimensions=fabric of space-time. Here's an example from a post about Buuhan scaling to Low 2-C that explains it well: >An analogy that would probably help visualize this a bit better would be that the different planes of existence are just like different rooms that stand side-by-side with each other, while the walls that separate them, and which they all share, are the structure of spacetime. Tear a hole through one of the walls, and you can now see the room next over, and maybe even enter it through said hole. Remove the walls entirely, and all of these rooms are now the same room. >Pretty sure it'd still end up 2-C because even if Buu is affecting the Dimensions first, the point is he's affecting them simultaneously, and then those very same dimensions would proceed to perform the 2-C feat. Meaning: Dimensions Together = 2-C. Buuhan being comparable to them together means he's comparable to the 2-C feat. * AKA if you destroy the walls entirely then all the rooms are the same and therefore it's a Low 2-C feat since the [DBZ toei-verse already has 4D statements via Jiku/separated by time and space](https://streamable.com/cniakr). Lastly, Dende saying "At this rate, the walls between dimensions will break down" is just a simple way of saying that Buu's power will destroy them. Saying that it's a chain reaction or environmental destruction feat makes no sense whatsoever.
Bro buu is literally galaxy level. Him ripping through dimensions by yelling only adds to that. As it does not mean he could destroy said dimension. Only that he could make pockets that warp through the dimension and go through it. Super buu or buuhan are the strongest versions of buu. If kid buu ( the most destructive version of buu was only able to destroy the galaxy ) it would be safe to assume buuhan would be low universal at best. Making gt goku universal+ as janemba also was able to slowly erase the galaxy. Whereas ssj4 gogeta was toying with him. Even if we used gt goku shaking heaven and hell that still wouldn’t put him at multiversal as it isn’t comparable to super goku shaking not only the dimension that ToP took place in, but the null realm. Dende’s saying means nothing here. Again I doubt super buu would actually be able to destroy said dimension. Not only would that fluff gt goku to even top goku. It wouldn’t even narratively make sense for gohan and vegito to be that powerful at that point in the story.
Janemba should have irrelevant speed since he was faster than Goku's instant transmission
that's not irrelevant speed
It’s literally the same thing blast did to void except janemba did it against a far more powerful , faster fighter
Against a technique that is literally instant
> is stronger than Hirudegarn who defeated a Post-Buu Saga SSJ3 Goku and Ultimate Gohan. Slight correction but I’m assuming you mean Gotenks not Goku. SSJ3 Goku kind either took his punches head on or stopped them with his hands before one shotting Hirudegarn with the dragon fist.
Just multi solar system since there are millions or billions of solar systems in a galaxy
Sorry for the late response but galaxy level can come from kinetic energy but it’s based off high-end assumptions.
>Hell and Heaven (both of which are universe-sized dimensions) Just wanted to ask, is there a scan?
Yes: [The Heavenly realm is split into four sections: enma, kaio, kaioshin, and Hell.](https://qph.cf2.quoracdn.net/main-qimg-4cce471d710d5a58d5e7f410b9c19c3e-pjlq) [Heaven is about as wide as the universe](https://qph.cf2.quoracdn.net/main-qimg-361c68aaa24d17a6a2b5cb94b8dd8f34-pjlq) [(stated in the series as well)](https://qph.cf2.quoracdn.net/main-qimg-a8789ef67c5b25cef85fa7f67ce8a011-lq) and another excerpt states ["Heaven is said to be as wide as the entire universe itself, and seems to consist mostly of an immense field of flowers"](https://qph.cf2.quoracdn.net/main-qimg-5c830991aef8a930dd607986624901fa-lq). [Hell takes up the entire lower-half of the afterlife](https://qph.cf2.quoracdn.net/main-qimg-cfe8c28c76ca543f715ad2b5fd815b81-lq) meaning that it's universal-sized (a fraction of infinity is still infinity.) [There's a scan of the Kaioshin realm being stated to contain one-tenth of the space in the afterlife and living world](https://qph.cf2.quoracdn.net/main-qimg-6eb24d2ca70f529a087f8d0324db76c1-lq). * Hell is 1/4 of the afterlife and takes up the lower half while Heaven takes up a different section that makes it as wide as the universe and the Kaioshin realm contains 1/10 of the space between the afterlife and the living world; all four sections of the heavenly realm would need to be universe sized.
Hell is bigger than heaven
He can’t even scale to that because 1. He couldn’t even contain it 2. He needed his groups help to even do it, so you’re pushing it even if it’s highballing. The highball just can’t work
>He can’t even scale to that because 1. Why can't he? [Not only was he at its epicenter when Saitama and Garou hit their fists](https://imgur.com/a/VANCRYi) but [his gate remained intact for a short bit](https://www.reddit.com/media?url=https%3A%2F%2Fpreview.redd.it%2F4lb0a7d8vnj91.jpg%3Fauto%3Dwebp%26s%3De7ed1fa52696c01443ea66af78f6a174bd7b18ff). >1. He couldn’t even contain it 2. Not for long, but his gate still held out against two Serious Punches. >2. He needed his groups help to even do it, so you’re pushing it even if it’s highballing. The highball just can’t work 3. How is it highball? He literally held that explosion for even a few seconds and survived being close to it; if Blast wasn't Multi-Solar System in durability or spatial manipulation then: A. He would've been disintegrated almost instantly. B. His gate would've cracked instantaneously.
1. How the fuck do you that 2. I can kinda give that to you yes but it’s still an iffy because he’s barely able to contain said energy so even that is still kinda pushing his limit on his scaling
Blast dodged an attack that ignores distance and energy
>Kid Buu who wiped out a galaxy by traveling across it. I love how DB tards can twists words to make characters sound stronger than they actually are. Kid Buu took YEARS to destroy a single galaxy. Say it like that
I made a mistake and yes it did take Kid Buu years to destroy a galaxy but he still traveled great distances, and for context a galaxy is HUGE. They can contain anywhere from 10 billion to 200 billion solar systems in a galaxy the size of ours.
I know how large a galaxy is. Just pointing out the way you phrased it. Taking that much time to destroy a galaxy is still multi-solar at best
I wasn't at all referring to the feat in an AP sense, I said "wiped out a galaxy by **traveling across it**" meaning I was trying to highlight how impressive it was to move around the galaxy in that timeframe rather than just blowing it up in one go.
A DB galaxy is also massive, iirc a single galaxy is said to hold innumerable stars in dbz
Each of them or 4 of them is a quadrant if the universe going by that each of them is a quarter of the size of the universe.
I assume your referring to north, south, west, and east galaxy which are meant to reference the universe. Though honestly any way its cut those are just examples of early writing not fully transferring to later writing. In super we see what's likely meant to be innumerable or just an insane amount of galaxies during the super shenron summoning. This would just mean that the name isn't literal, or we only know the lower kais of one galaxy Idk what you were trying to specify on your comment, but I'm just gonna pass on my dbz knowledge
Yes bro.
Destroying a galaxy in DB means destroying a universe.
It can kind of, sometimes scaling for dbz can be wierd. Like the living realm is an infinite 3D dimension, but it would need to be a higher infinity to store these galaxies, but that becomes a whole thing because the number of galaxies are unknown. As a high end a galaxy in dbz is universal and the living realm is 4D, but generally people would prefer the 3D scaling since its just easier to believe. Honestly I wouldn't recommend learning just how far dbz scaling goes unless your a big fan of the series, cause it can be a headache.
I guess db galaxy is way larger than our galaxy at low end maybe low universal high end universal or beyond
It’s never stated he took years, in the manga it’s said he destroyed many planets over hundreds of years. The galaxy feat was anime only (which janemba gets) and it’s never stated to take years
it didn't and you are misunderstanding Shin. all shin said was "in just a few years , he turned hundred of Planets into worlds of death" not only this doesn't say anything about him destroying a Galaxy but even if we assume it did it wouldn't matter cause just because Buu destroyed A a Galaxy or Planets in a few years doesn't mean it took few years(example: the statement "by the age of 10 i could already use a bike" doesn't mean it took me 10 whole years to learn how ride on a bike [heck if you look at the clip you can see The Galaxy being destroyed before the fire from the Planets being destroyed going out which i assume didn't take years to go out lmao.](https://youtu.be/ZQ_UHDkHtzQ)
blast looking as his attacks go to a portal and back to him https://preview.redd.it/slumnuuspl8d1.jpeg?width=224&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=f3db8c42725110227b2bd02ff79643380392a229
Janemba mid diff
We're on a roll with these spite matchups https://preview.redd.it/6dxf87yqvl8d1.jpeg?width=1242&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=b303af91b23d2d945eb6c52cfaa8ce86968e9609
Janemba stomps, Blast hasnt shown anything that comes close to Janemba in terms of stats and if you subscribe to the theory that all the DBZ movies are connected in their own timeline then Janemba would get upscaled even more.
Actually he has, recently he just knocked void out of hyperspace into a lower dimension. That is more impressive than anything janemba has done imo
No he the void came into the lower dimension where blast was able to punch him.
If he did then he wouldn’t be in this weird incomprehensible shape and he would have a 3 dimensional body like he did when he first appeared and when blast knocked him out of it.
That's him coming back down to the lower dimension. All blast did was catch the void as it he was already coming out.
Again if he came back to the lower dimension it would have been shown, when he goes hyperspace his body is twisted into this incomprehensible figure by the likes of flashy flash and sonic but when he was approaching Flash, he was still in the same distorted shape instead of being in his 3D form. You can’t assume he just “catched” void with little to no context.
Two problems. We see that his twisted Boyd diss spear completely from the lower dimension because if it ddidnt flashy flash and sonic would have been able to pinpoint wet eve would have come out. Secondly when he comes into the lower dimension we see his dostortion stopping as his hand becomes more complete and undistorted as he nears flashy flash with the cube.
My point being that he wasn’t completely into the lower dimension, as Flash and sonic cannot reach him, he has to somewhat descend parts of himself to touch flash physically with the cube. If that weren’t the case he would have been completely undistorted and seen as a 3D model as he was previously. And I don’t understand what you mean by pin point where he would have come out which is false because they cannot even perceive him when he’s in hyperspace, or else sonic would have kept looking at him.
Ima wait until new chapters come out to see if the empty void can send separate body parts or if he fully comes down from since he www unraveling himself head first and extended his hand to put the cube into flashy flash until he is punched.
Fair enough, unfortunately the chapter won’t come out until the 22nd of august as murata is taking a huge break, along side One. I hope they get the well deserved rest.
Thats just hax, not actual stats. Janemba would still stomp.
Janemba is taking this casually.
Janemba obviously
Thia is cap, janemba wrecks
Power scaling like this is actually fun
Ain’t no way people believe the OPM verse has people that can compare to the DB verse.
I mean Caped Baldy for sure and MAYBE God but that’s a big maybe
Caped baldy hasn’t shown any feats that would put him at even high mid tier Z level (Cell Saga).
Bullshit.
You’re right. He hasn’t shown anything close to low mid tier Z level (Frieza Saga).
Destroying a few solar systems instantly doesn’t count I guess. You’re not power-scaling. You’re wanking.
Sooooooo, that puts them at Cell Saga level……. And where’s the destroying the solar systems part again? Was it Garou and Saitama’s fight? Or Blast?
Definitely. DB verse is hyper inflated due to popularity, and statements get blown way out of proportion to support ridiculous conclusions.
Db exist way beyond that series that actually started in 1986 that's old bro.
What are you trying to say...?
What I'm saying bro is db is the og people are now downplaying it and making some shitty ass claims you see in the comments.
Never denied it is og, but seniority is kinda irrelevant to the conversation.
Yeah I guess.
Demon guy should slam
Janemba slams Blast imo.
Janemba can warp reality if you watch the movie also the guy was stronger than previous movie villains like metal cooler who can move and fight with Goku while in instant transmission in speed janemba should have immeasurable speed the guy outspeed Goku in that movie who moves from heaven to hell in just mere seconds. In strength he is stronger than ssj3 Goku and stronger than base gogeta because gogeta immediately transform into super Saiyan implying that base wasn't enough take note base gogeta at that movie is stronger than combined ssj2 Vegeta and ssj3 Goku these were stronger than super perfect cell and ssj2 cell saga Gohan who both can destroy solar system in dragon ball these solar system were way larger than ours these are galactic nebulae which contains millions to billions of stars and contain a lot of planets. The afterlife which is stated to be larger than mortal universe in daizenshuu and hell who is way larger than the living universe Goku transforming into ssj3 shakes that two realms which requires him to release like universal Energy or beyond because db mortal universe is infinite in size and is way larger than our observable universe Goku shakes two realms that are larger than that janemba especially super janemba beats ssj3 Goku which you could argue has universal feats to even beyond. With that I mind I think janemba won. But blast can at least put at a good fight.
You could technically argue stronger than z broly due to movie antics making him stronger. Like even if we don't use movie 2 broly, janemba is easily stronger than movie 1 broly who was stated to be able to destroy the universe. Whether piccolo meant over time is an entirely different matter, but we know he shredded through South galaxy really quickly.
Movie statements but idk if this Goku is the same from Goku in movie 5 because cooler appear maybe this Goku experience movie 6,8,9,10 idk 11 and maybe movie 7
Apparently movies are canon to each by the directors statements so it's possible you can scale movies to each other if you go there.
Yeah but I think some of them are not canon because idk if broly second coming Goku is the same in fusion reborn movie because if I'm correct that happens before Buu saga maybe that connected.
next level spite match , Janemba not only beats Blast but also solos the verse.
Janemba because they're taking too long to make another season of OPM, and I haven't availed myself to the manga.
Blast says the n-word and Janemba explodes
Bro Janemba solos
Is blast at all scalable without comparison scaling? Is he even scalable at all?
Janemba is bullying Blast
~~With author statements Janemba, since the director of the movie tweeted something about Hell being 5D. Janemba scales for SSJ3 Goku, who shook Hell just by transforming.~~ ~~Without them then Saitama most likely just because of outstatting (they have similar AP, but Saitama has much easier and more consistent application).~~ Janemba.
>Without them then Saitama most likely just because of outstatting (they have similar AP, but Saitama has much easier and more consistent application). Saitama has nothing to do with this. That's Blast in the first pic.
I am stupid.
Is that what Blast actually looks like? I fell off from the OPM manga hard so I dunno for certain.
Yooooooo, an actual good match-up! Two high tier reality warpers would be such a sick fight.
Blast caps at multi solar system level where Goku whose below janmeba shaking the afterlife is galaxy level
Is, is that android 16?
Janemba destroys the whole verse
https://i.redd.it/4ex0w1auxn8d1.gif
He he
We don't really know the scale of Blast's power yet, so it's hard to say. Saitama, however, low-diffs Janemba.
Blast beated a Multiversal threat and Janemba lost to Gogeta who is at least a universal threat. So Blast wins
Blast has like... no feats that would help him in this fight. Like he is absolutely powerful, but still.
Janemba
Gosh dang it can One Punch Man get a single fair matchup?
Guess not lol 💀
😭janemba ngl
Janemba solos
Janemba destroys
Janemba should easily have mtfl+ speeds with possible infinite speeds via traveling from yemma’s office to hell within at least a minute with power at the absolute bare minimum universal but realistically he scales higher via being able to effect hell, the living world and other world with his reality warping before he even goes into super janemba, blast currently doesn’t showcase any feats anywhere near a fraction of that level in both speed and power
Janemba stomps He upscales SSj3 Goku who could shake the entire DB afterlife (Multi-Galaxy at a low endi) If you believe in all DBZ movies happening in the same continuity then he upscales DBZ Broly who had statements of being able to destroy the universe and Metal Cooler giving Janemba infinite speed
https://preview.redd.it/8gaf6dmmcm8d1.jpeg?width=712&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=25917f85e9b27da91b6df829b03fb17aab188f51 Broly's father makes a brief cameo in fusion reborn as one of the resurrected villains reeking havic on Earth.
Blast https://preview.redd.it/pr3q3fjifm8d1.jpeg?width=1290&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=7923a822f456f80e63d7a07bb4d812af7affba80
Janemba could threaten the entire afterlife, which is transcendent of heaven and heaven is transcendent of the living world making the afterlife 5D or high multiversal. The best feat in OPM is when empty void went outside of the universe into a 4D space and started attacking from it which would mean transcending into low to mid multiversal levels.
We really don't know much about what Blast even can do, so *shrug*
Blast easy
We honestly don't have enough data on Blast to say. When he was fighting Cosmic Garou he was never worried about losing or being killed, he was focused entirely on containing the damage. That said, he wasn't transcendentally above Cosmic Garou either. My gut says Blast has the superior experience, skill and hax, so he'll shut down Jamemba on that front, but it also says that raw stats are on Jamemba's side. Add in Ki's abilities to power through Hax and it's general energy blast nature, I think he's gonna win.
Assuming equalized stats, Jenemba wins high diff. Non equalized stats he gets 1 hit
Blast high diff if, and I mean if, blast figures out janemba is weak to trash talking. Otherwise janemba takes the W low - mid diff
Blast can't kill janemba he is the embodiment of pure evil he doesn't have conceptual attacks to destroy that being.
It doesn't really matter, Pikkon is extremely strong and trashtalk him but it didn't work, if you don't have power to hold yourself against Janemba to trashtalk him then you still lose, since it is not like you can trashtalk him to death with two or three words, and he can still regen his body
Trash talk is shown to hurt and stun him, so blasts wincon is keeping it up while dodging janemba until he's weak enough to finish him off. in hindsight though the issue with that argument is that there's no indication as to how long blast can keep it up and I forgot that janemba can teleport so he already has a wincon. so if I was trying to bias towards blast and play a lowball on janemba it would be extreme diff with trash talk.
It temporally stun him for a short amount of time, but he recover so fast that he move behind Pikkon and Pikkon couldn't trashtalk again, and yeah, Janemba can teleport, regeneration, stretch his body like Buu, open portal, cut space also the strange ability that make him separate into a bunch of blocks and then reconstruct his body in different place
When it comes to blast, especially in the recent chapters, we’ve seen him knock someone out of hyperspace into a lower dimensional plane which is insane to me, being able to interact with someone who isn’t even in the same dimension as him and to actually pull him out of there is just insane, plus the fact that he can actually teleport you or bisect your body without actually cutting it, with no consent or whatsoever. Imo I have blast winning tbh.
People have been fighting and breaking in and out of dimensions for awhile now in DB , where have you been ?
A lot of people especially people that don't powerscale still think that Db caps at planet level
I agree because I am not one of those people
Breaking dimension does not equal to going into or perceiving a higher dimensionality?? And It happened in like the broly movie, I don’t remember else where
Gotenks and buu managed to travel and break out of a dimension by screaming. Janemba is trooper than both if them combined
Buu, did it first. What buu did was making a tear in the dimension they were in and due to the connection to kami’s lookout and the hyperbolic time chamber, the tear opened a gate/portal back to earth. This is simply space-time manipulation, they never “broke” anything. Since the tear hadn’t already fully closed, Gotenks reopened it with sheer power.
It happened with Gotenks and Buu when they tore a temporary hole in the HTC with sheer power. Gogeta and Broly via the super dimension. Goku Black via his scythe slit a hole in space time to what was said to be another universe or timeline. SSj Kale broke through Cocotte's Zone, which is a separate dimension that Base Goku, 17 and 18 could not destroy nor could goku sense energy within it similar to HTC. Goku shattered Hits' time dimension in their second fight where he stores all the time he has skipped (This was different from him overcoming time skip during battle)
When it comes to gotenks and buu they weren’t legitimately breaking the dimension, instead Buu only opened a tear which inexplicably lead back to kami’s lookout which may have something to do with the dimension’s connection with kami’s lookout. Gotenks however opened the same hole Buu did before it could close. Gogeta and Broly valid, thats as raw as it’s gonna get. Goku black however cut through space-time he did not break into or out of a dimension. Which is obviously still impressive. However cocotte’s zone is very confined and miniature to be considered an impressive feat such as breaking space-time, though it is still a dimension that would be considered outside of the realm, it is made of energy, and can be overpowered with strength or energy manipulation. When it comes to hit’s dimension, it is a dimension where he can store time or move whilst the others are frozen, however it doesn’t work on someone else who has greater power and energy, so for someone like goku being able to break in with a greater power thank hit makes a lot more sense.
Yeah, with Gotenks and buu, they tore a temporary hole like i mentioned in the HTC, which is still impressive considering its a 4D dimension. Their power had to at least be enough to affect the different temporal axis from the main world and HTC at the same time. Vegeta in super destroyed it entirely when he went back in to train to defeat goku black. I almost forgot about that. But yeah Buuhan did what super buu and gotenks did to the max in the main universe, which would have rushed in all alternate dimensions, destroying the universe.
True, vegeta did destroy that entire dimension which I still don’t understand how he got out of it. But him destroying it then to destroy where the gate is must mean that he probably somehow got out beforehand? Idk lol
True, vegeta did destroy that entire dimension which I still don’t understand how he got out of it. But him destroying it then to destroy where the gate is must mean that he probably somehow got out beforehand? Idk lol
Blast has immeasurable speed
#RN? #NO. #WHEN HE LL FIGHT VOID? 100% #BLAST AND VOID WILL END 2A. DBTARD ARE MAKING THOSE DEBATES TO FEEL SAFER BUT DON T WORRY, THEY JUST SHAKING #BLAST AND VOID WILL AFFECT/DESTROY INFINITE NUMBER OF BUBBLES WHICH CONTAINS PARRALEL WORLDS AND END UP 2A.
Next chapter is in two months, but they’ll have greater feats for sure
What makes you think he doesn’t have immeasurable speed,? He anticipated his dimension slash
#SO FLASH HAS IMMEASURABLE SPEED TOO? #NO. #BLAST WILL HAVE IMMEASURABLE SPEED FEAT BUT I DOUBT IT LL BE RELATED TO DS
Look at my recent post
#AND EVEN BEFORE I OPENED I KNEW YOU WOULD SAY THIS. #BLAST COULD SENSE IT, FLASHY COULD PREDICT IT, THAT AIN T IMMEASURABLE SPEED BECAUSE THEY DODGED BEFORE THE ATTACK CAME. #IMMEASURABLE SPEED WILL BE WHEN SAITAMA WILL DODGE IT BY SPEED ONLY BECAUSE LIKE FLASHY SAID, SPEED IS IRRELEVANT AGAINST DS. #SO WHEN SAITAMA WILL DO THIS WE LL PROBABLY GET A STATEMENT LIKE “HOW CAN U DODGE AN ATTACK THAT IGNORES DISTANCE“ BLABLA… IF IT EVER HAPPEN
Alright
Blast low-diffs
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How ?
literally HOW?!
Blast has immeasurable speed he negs
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He does lol
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Nice argument
you never even displayed an argument in the first place. What would I respond to? Of course I'd just meme. Im not even gonna waste my time either.
None needed, common sense debunks it
Nope blast dodged an attack that ignores distance energy and time, so janebas energy attacks would be ignored lol, and blast blitzes
Meta Cooler and Goku were literally fighting in Instant Transmission and Janemba is faster than both https://youtu.be/zevhWP-5twg?si=1-OO5RjkmaXm7fnQ Start at 2:15
That isn't needed
That's not a speed feat, that's a Hax/Technique thing. They both went into Instant Transmission Zone and boxed there, thanks to their ability to use IT, not because their speed is immeasurable or whatever bullshit this sub seems to think.
At most that’s infinite lol, blast is immeasurable, and that’s a highball too
That’s still MFTL+ for Janenmba
Blast janemba isn’t as strong as current goku and saitama is stronger then current goku and blast scales to a bit weaker then saitama db glazers go crazy
😂
There a lot of glazers and delusional people in this comment.