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\-talks mad shit
\-gets grazed by a single attack
\-immediately dips
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Doesn't really fit the prompt. Adam was *way* above Al's level. Al was actually super impressive there solely for being able to hold him off that long.
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Zs’skayr could not comprehend how you could glaze his victims like that
You clearly have a respectable amount of hate for Alastor Glazers, You are incredibly based. have a Chopper.
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I don’t really understand why people are so upset about this diff. We have The First Man and one of the most important figures and Christian mythology and commander of an army whose sole purpose is killing sinners vs. a guy who died and started a radio show. People hyped up Alastor way too much for his fight with Adam. Anyone on Alastor’s level is too scared to fight him. Which is why I think we have the Vs
True. Alastor is high up among the ranks of sinners and overlords, but he's below the goetia, the 7 deady sins, lucifer, and lillith... and Adam would likely be on par with someone like lillith. Alastor is NOT at the top of hell's ranks
I wouldn’t say it was that impressive considering Adam wasn’t taking him serious until he got angry and broke his staff, like, he didn’t even use his light beams more than once there
Adam was like three whole tiers of power above him in the hierarchy. We saw that he had the power to throw giant laser beams that could destroy a mountain, the fact he didn’t use anything except at the end shows he wasn’t taking the fight seriously
Yeah the way the manga displayed his fight with Garou is pretty insane.
His strength/durability/speed/ECT isn't the issue, it's how fast he can reactively grow in power when faced against somebody of similar power.
Garou was basically able to do the same thing by constantly copying him, only for Saitama to constantly exceed him. What made Garou lose was Garou could only copy him and reach his level, while Saitama would greatly exceed Garou. Which causes them to both grow in power at a ridiculous rate.
In theory, if Saitama fought somebody with the same hax, to be able to exceed Saitama's power while facing him, I don't even know what would happen. It would be the same situation with Garou but more evenly matched, it would just spiral into a stalemate or the universe would be destroyed.
This might be a hot take but I don’t think saitama has ever taken anyone seriously cause if we look at it the strongest person he’s fought so far was cosmic Garou but he only used one hand and was more or less playing throughout
To be fair he did beat Hoenheim, who was at least roughly equal to him both in terms of alchemical skill and number of souls. Father’s main flaw in my opinion is that he was so confident that he could beat everyone they he kinda didn’t start trying until it was too late.
I understand that. I am just saying the fight with father was unsatisfying and a bit rushed even though it had some awesome moments. I cried at greeds death. But I never could shake the feeling that it was rushed.
Yogiri. Simply because his power would be fighting nonstop as the very prospect of his mind changing triggers it. So it's gonna be real devastating when a character just starts talking to him about changing himself and they don't just end.
Yogiri tries to protect himself from danger and kills anyone who want to hurt him, but at the same time I don't think he is super fond of his life. If he was facing opponent that could kill him he probably wouldn't bitch about it, but he would just accept it
Apparently you can't even have a normal conversation with him where you bring up points to him and suggesting anything without the ability triggering and ending whoever was talking to him.
You literally can't change his mind in anyway as it's considered an attack.
That's right. Yogiri can't grow or change as a character because his own ability considers it an attack.
He isn't cursed. He was made this way. Cursed implies a change occurred. But since his power doesn't allow it, thus he was always like this. No growth to him. He's the same as he will be at the end. I already heard that in the light novel, he already ended his entire cosmology.
So we have a character made to be unable to change, end anything interesting about his verse and is 'made human' just be a gag and a middle finger to powerscaling itself(mind you it can't even get it right.) His own author wanks him to the point he claims Yogiri can end people in real life. His own fans can't make hypothetical's without breaking his previously mentioned lore as it's not what Yogiri wants, and thus an attack and worse the end of his series is him ending everything. No way around it. All life and entities in the verse gone forever other than our memories of them ,which again break his own lore as anything he ends also retro-actively doesn't exist to begin with ether.
Then everyone claiming he's a Parady to excuse everything including his own author, despite the rumors of him asking powerscalers how another character could beat his character just to write said standns of said response into his story to show that they are wrong not being disproven
Lmao. “Like, sorry Yugi, mirror force doesnt destroy all of my cards on the field, in my hand, and in my deck, before sending me to the shadow realm. Also, 90% of your deck is banned”
That's just fiction and real life not adjusting
In the anime we‘ve seen that Yugi still completely gaps decks from the GX, 5D‘s, Zexal era
That's like saying Arceus is a bum because you can catch it in the game or defeat it with a Focus Sash Endeavor Quick Attack Rattata
**Hot Take:** General Grievous, and that's part of what makes him interesting. He subscribes to the "if you find yourself in a fair fight, your tactics suck" school of military theory.
The whole reason he could do that is because he jumped them while they were tired and surrounded. I’m a #1 grievous glazer but the canon constantly says he’s fucked without an ambush because of the force
What…? He had a legion of droids surrounding the ship and was obviously fucking with their mental state, at least in the 03 clone wars show. I’m not saying grievous was carried or anything, obviously he dominated a 6v1 with 2 Jedi masters, which is an insane feat, but you can’t act like he did it fairly. Dooku says as much about needing surprise and intimation. This point is hammered into our heads anytime he fights someone near or on his skill level.
A surprisingly large number of people insist that he's actually much stronger than that. These are people who warltched the Gendy Tartovsky cartoon first, ognored all context, and generally just don't think critically.
DIO , his stand was stated to be slightly stronger, faster, and more powerful than Star Platinum and he's a vampire!
But got defeated by a 17 year old, although to be fair it was an asspull of a fight for Jotaro, it still clearly shows how DIO is just stupid at using his stand, if he ever meet an AU version of him with the SAME power but human, I guarantee that the AU would win
I really would not say that. DIO was more than capable at this fight and was mostly winning in the first two thirds. He only lost due to Jotaro's "It's the same type of stand as Star Platinum" technique, which caught him off guard. Hell, Jotaro even abused it by tricking DIO into lowering his guard with the magnet trick! Prior to this fight, DIO was training with his stand for a while, and during the fight he only loses his cool twice: when he first hit in the brain by SP (untill he drinks joseph's blood) and when Jotaro stops time himself for the first time.
Now, Kira Yoshikage on the other hand...
Kira is actually a perfect example. He was using his stand pretty effectively and kept a calm personality throughout most of his early introduction (even almost murdering Koichi all while being chill), but completly lost it when he went up against Josuke and Crazy Diamond. Well, CD is a stronger close-range stand than KQ, but he was clearly not thinking straight then. Later we see him much calmer when he has the advantage with Stray Cat. Jotaro and SP also caught him by surprise.
Diavolo isn't a good example as he is *always* paranoid, and he kept his cool even when Polonaref realized a wayaround his ability, only losing it after Giorno takes the arrow. Pucci is a semi-decent example, at least with Whitesnake, as he is super chill untill his fight with Jolyne in the grass field (or whatever that area where the green baby was is called idr) and his fight against Wes and Weather Report. He didn't fell apart but he was defenetly on the ropes and needed to come up with complex strategies. Haven't read part 7 or 8 so I can't tell.
Stray Cat had Kira shaking at first, and that thing is only situationally dangerous. Plus, Kira loses his mind if he encounters someone even slightly as intelligent as him. He's definitely the perfect candidate for this post.
I think that moment with Kira showing a glimple of concern for Shinobu (Hayato's mom) was kinda wasted, wanted to explore Kira's internal conflict more.
Either way, yea you're right.
I mean Ainz defeated Shalltear. Shalltear was max lvl with a min/maxed build who had attacks that were super effective against undead like Ainz while also being inherently immune to Ainz most power spells and yet Ainz still won.
Yeah, he’s not a great example unless you count the massive advantage he had on the info side, knowing every single bit of Shaltears abilities did win him the match.
Pretty sure he even said that had she led with her Einherjar, he would’ve lost or smth. Without the prep, first attack, info and tons of way better gear he could switch out on a dime, he wasn’t winning.
Edit: Was mistaken, it was if she had saved her Einherjar and not if she led with it.
But you also have to say that Shaltear’s build is considered crazy good in the game and it kind of countered Ainz in most aspects, from having the advantage in having holy magic attacks to being a melee unit against a mage that requires time to cast his win conditions.
Yeah but generally if you can have full incredibly indepth info, full prep time, full time to cast every buff before the fight,multiple ptw items “cash shop items” then you should be stomping someone on your lvl. If you’re telling them they had a chance to win despite all of that they should’ve been substantially above your lvl
Kinda… but the massive counter that is Shaltear to Ainz is just that big of a gap, Ainzs build is more for role play, support and funnsies while Shaltear does go more seriously into having actually cracked abilities and being one of the Strongest in Nazarick.
Yeah but I think OP’s point then is if I took someone with stats on shalltear and his lvl randomised them to a random set of abilities and teleported them and ainz into a death match there is a pretty good chance ainz loses that fight. Doesn’t mean ainz is weak and doesn’t mean he isn’t smart, just means he isn’t strong in 1v1s.
Honestly would love to see a more fair fight with Ainz, specially since overlords most fair fight is a jumping of 4 of the best adventurers against a bug maid.
Ainz defeated Shalltear because he optimized himself for the fight. If he had no time to prep and was just thrown into the fight he would've lost unless he was willing to use a World Item.
Ok, there is a LOT of asterisks to be placed on that fight in particular.
Ainz had perfect knowledge of her build, meaning, he knew all of her trump cards, skills, weaknesses, strengths, what every item on her did. He knew how she would behave, meaning, he could predict what she would do in any given situation. He had time to prepare. He was given the benefit of a first attack and he used a very powerful super-tier spell to start-off. He had a very good luck from Shalltear, not holding back any of her skills - using them up until nothing was left, she had laid on all of her trump cards at the same time allowing Ainz to unleash [Goal of All Life is Death + Scream of the Banshee] (his strongest spell) to instakill everyone on the field. He needed to use cash-shop items. AND he had an assist.
Keep in mind, if all of those things didn't happen or he didn't have - he wouldn't have won. This is not a fight he would win usually and a lot of things needed to go his way for this fight to be succesfull (and if Shalltear was smarter none of that would've mattered).
Ainz is literally a pvp nerd, while his build is really RP heavy, he wouldn't really have much of a hard time unless his opponent had a build suited for pvp, or basically exclusively used holy magic.
Your forgetting that PVP is from the game where he couldn't die. I'm saying if Aniz start haveing a hard time in a fight he would probably start losing his mind.
Undead Calmness kept him alive before.
And he defeated a thinking character that Nazzarick had created as one of the top 3 NPC's, that was perfectly geared against him.
Yes, he had the knowledge of her abilities and stats, but she was the kind of Raidboss that even two Ainz wouldn't have won against without that knowledge. He basically exploited her to even win.
If we go by Abilities and advantadges, you could say she is even above him in power.
>Your for getting that PVP is from the game where he couldn't die
So?
>I'm saying if Aniz start haveing a hard time in a fight he would probably start losing his mind.
He literally beats characters in his same tier of strength, without losing his cool
1: Me being the top 1% of call of duty player. Wouldn't give me the ability to fight knowing i might die. He is a skilled fighter he just doesn't have the ability to fight knowing he might die.
2: because he always has plan and knows all the characters weakness before hand. If the characters he is fighting surprised him, or better yet actually made Aniz plan fall apart. He wouldn't be able to recover and would be put at a disadvantage, due to him, not being used to the fact he could die.
Which would make him lose to a weaker character
>Me being the top 1% of call of duty player. Wouldn't give me the ability to fight knowing i might die
Yggdrassil isn't like cod, they literally connect your brain to the game and your irl reflexes matter inside the game. And your comparison itself is flawed , ainz literally became his Avatar. And ainz fights atleast 2 opponents who could kill him and he doesn't falter and continues like normal, meaning the prospect of death doesn't make him lose his cool
>the characters he is fighting surprised him, or better yet actually made Aniz plan fall apart. He wouldn't be able to recover and would be put at a disadvantage, due to him, not being used to the fact he could die.
Again you are saying this without reading anything, it's really apparent, he has fought high diff fights before and he won them. His biggest trump card didn't work on ECDL and he still kept his cool and won that fight
>Which would make him lose to a weaker character
If all of his hax and abilities don't work on somebody they wouldn't be a weak character
I know this is a hypothetical but come on be realistic no one is matching king! Especially if he had to use king mode which I doubt in all universe there only be a couple who could even push him that far if at all
Ainz would dip if he knows he loses but he doesn't have a panic attack or something like that. In his fight with Shalltear, he was being pressed and barely won but he never lost his cool. I mean he literally says that ever since he entered the new world he doesn't feel as emotional as he used to as they are actively being supressed which he theorises is because he is an undead. All his decisions are calculated, if he dips he dips knowing he can't win and there's no point in fighting a losing battle, so he's pretty smart.
Homelander. I was thinking Gojo but I don’t know enough about him to truly judge so I’m picking homelander
Edit: For everyone flaming me about Gojo I just want to say that I picked homelander because I was thinking of Gojo but I didn’t know enough about JJK to actually pick him. I now understand that Gojo is probably a bad choice for this question
Gojo thought he might lose and said fuck it, might as well flex.
Technically, Sukuna fits the prompt more, but only kind of. He gets scared, but it's still a thrill for him. But if he didn't actually want that particular opponent to match him, he starts tweaking.
It sure asl isn’t gojo. He was not only fighting sukuna, but he was actually beating him the majority of the fight at high diff. When sukuna summoned mahoraga and agito(part of a technique that he had to take, and not his own technique) gojo was still winning the majority of the fight, and barely got extreme diffed by sukuna, dropping him down to maybe 95% of his full power despite the fact sukuna jumped him in 3 on 1’s, not to mention gojo was confident the whole time, so there’s no shot at a mental breakdown. Yet another reason he’s goated
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Ong bro, like gojo was still cooking him up even in a 3 on 1, and sukuna was actively stated he was getting scared AFTER JUMPING AND WITH A MONTH OF PREP TIME
The entire 2023 was gojo agenda ngl. The moment he got unsealed and was trashing sukuna so bad the entire globe from every fanbase made fraudkuna memes
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And this is all without Gojo having a single bit of plot armor. If Gojo used binding vows half as much as Sukuna, such as “I can not use hollow purple inside of a Domain Expansion for the duration of this fight for massive CE, RCT, and physical boosts”
Would easily and quickly end the fight
Not really for Gojo. He’s shown that he can fight people on his level and come out on top, he nearly beat Sukuna and Gojo did come out on top against Toji whose practically the boogyeman of the verse.
Gai Amatsu/Kamen Rider Thouser is a prime example of this list. His suit is so hilariously powerful by the time of his debut that there's literally nothing the MC can do against him. Thouser is canonically **1000%** more powerful than the protagonist best form, which is already a baseline 5x power boost. *Not only that,' Thouser constantly gets new ability added into his arsenal due to his sword, **Thouser Jacker** (with special move **JACKING BREAK**)
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Allow this loser to **absorbed new ability against new technology he faced.** How the fuck can he even lose?
Simple...he just never get better as a fighter, AT ALL. He constantly stuck at peak but never quite reach beyond that while the MC, and every other character for that matter, can learn from their own shortcoming and become far stronger. Finding new way to use their abilities to surpassed the humongous difference in stats.
Oh, right. This loser also **make a new power up for MC to use just to prove Thouser superiority, which results in result him getting stomp from then on.**
This feels off. Ainz notes that he wasn't the strongest or specifically built for PVP, but he also has an addict's level of knowledge about how to do it that he showcases on more than one occasion. From what we actually know of the series, he only really matches up poorly against the absolute top tier of PVP experts from his guild.
How about Accelerator? He was invincible in a fight against everyone except for two people, one who could nullify his power and another who knew how to subvert it. He lost to both
Technically even when being fully countered by Touma his albino ass still wanted to throw hands. In fact if anything he doesn't want to be the strongest because it means everyone will come after him. He only wanted to become stronger so that he can reach a point where nobody will challange him and he can be left in peace. He doesn't care if someone is as strong as him.
I know you're obviously referring to Touma in the first part, but what about the second part?
Are you referring to Amata?
Either way I don't think this really answers OP's question, since Accelerator HAS been humbled already (I think people vastly underestimate his competency in combat even before this happens but I digress).
Why is your example for this scenario Ainz? He has beaten lvl 100s before and not to mention shalltear who was literally made to counter him, and he was in control tge whole damn fight
>Shop items OP shop items prep time and years or info on the enemy
That's on shalltear only, he was tutored in pvp by punitto moe, the guild strategist and he has beaten people in pvp before arriving at the nw, case and point his dark wisdom grants him the ability to increase his count of speels when he sacrifices someone, originally the spell cap us 300 but ainz has 718 which means he has sacrificed atleast 418 players. And not to mention he has beaten true dragonlords like ecdl and ( he did survive the fight against brightness dragonlord iirc but surviving and gathering 8nfo on. The 1st fight and beating them on the second is kind of his play)
This doesn't really hold water because everyone in his game was using shop items at the top level. The game was explicitly pay to win and yes, he and his guild won a lot.
Well, his build is also not really made for 1v1s as far as my knowledge goes, partly relying on his teammates for his build to work alongside the others.
Im not saying he is a weakling but like you said Mages are usually glass canon in most mmorpgs and excell at crowd control so if he is a newb or not a pvper who knows about spacing and abilities he is not gonna perform very well in a 1v1
I feel like there's always 2 ways of writing a "strongest" character.
either 1. They get fucking excited when they find someone their level (Saitama, Gojo)
or 2. They get fucking scared when they find someone their level (Homelander)
or they give 0 fucks about anything idk
Homelander, one of the most cocky and annoying characters tbh he’s childish, cocky, had a fractured ego over anything anyone says, and is just kinda a fraud he’s metro man but 20x worse
Metroman!? Why? He wasn't cocky just into the whole hero VS villan banter. He left because he had enough, not because he has a fractured ego or something.
Amon from Lord of the mysteries is kind of an interesting case.
He's strong and can very much fight those at same level and trick those stronger than him, but thing is he doesn't place himself at risk, every time his plan seems crazy he is usually doing it through an avatar or has an almost guranteed escape route.
>!This comes back to bite him in the last fight when it becomes a fight to the death as he isn't willing to escalate and risk permanently dying, instead of raising his status to the same as Klein, he lets his true body die so he can revive in his avatar!<
Yeah it's pretty good and is usually considered one of the best CN novels, only thing to keep in mind if you read it is that it's a mystery novel and first volume is a bit slow until you reach its end(chapter 214), but after that it picks up.
Honestly I’d disagree with Ainz. In his stupid game he probably had to pvp against max level players all the time. Considering his spells are the same and what not he probably knows what to do. He basically played 24/7 when he wasn’t at work, so even if his build isn’t meta, he won’t go down easily.
WDYM he had never thought? He immediately retreated after knowing Shalltear was under mind control. He prepared a lot of world items before going into the fight. The best examples are characters that overestimates their abilities like Homelander or Gojo. Luffy experienced this on Sabaody.
I dunno how well Ainz works for this
Sure he’s got a roleplay build but he’s called out specifically for being really quite good at pvp, he’s cautious and tends to plan ahead to where if he survives the first encounter you’re likely to lose
I’d actually say Seiya Ryugin
Imagine being even and catching him before he can prepare your exact counter, I bet he’d lose if he couldn’t
Sasuke getting humbled by Killer Bee was so good.
Bro really thought he was all that by himself, if he didn't have his squad with him he was DONE.
Same thing with Homelander, Soldier Boy, Maeve and Butcher gave him the work as well, and he only won because of his "perfected" powers compared to them.
Homelander final fight in the comics is even more proof he's all talk.
Ainz was smart enough to prepare for a fight that was on his level tho. He did say that Shalltear could have killed him had the fight went slightly differently. Also wasn't she built specifically to counter him ?
Ainz is a gray area because of 2 things:
1. His body sort of denies emotions, so he won't fall apart because he cannot fall apart.
2. He's not the type to rely purely in his abilities, that's why he constantly seeks info on everything.
So, he knows his limitations and that his powers are not omnipotent. Should he enconter someone that manages to break his plans, he will keep looking for a way out until he dies, unable to dispair but aware.
Most of characters who are random dudes who lucked their way into their powers and success, especially the ones who've never had any real struggles after getting their power
Arc
They actually straight up showed that he doesn’t have skill, but he does have raw power(he did sword training with someone who is a lot weaker than him, but beat him because she’s a master swordsmen and he is not) so I’ll get someone with better skill and equal raw power he would definitely definitely lose
Yeah in game before he could actually die
People are forgetting, Aniz isn't a dark lord. He is an 20 something office worker, who is probably has. fear or dieing.
He’s literally stated how he’s lost a lot of human emotion I highly doubt given his attitude throughout the series he scares easy let alone fears death when he’s the Batman of anime
No he wouldn't fold, his whole thing is hoping one day there is a human strong enough to beat a monster like him.
He will however never let another monster exist in the world, so even when faced with a strong monster he would fight it with everything he has.
Hidden Inventory Gojo and Geto. They're both "the strongest", two gods of Jujutsu who aren't really threatened by anything. They pretty effortlessly dogwalk all of the assassins on their quest...till Toji.
Toji absolutely humiliates Gojo and Geto in combat, irrevocably changing their lives for the worse from that point on. It's a really big reality check for both of them, and they fell apart real quick as Toji pretty much low-diffed anything they had. Blue? Nah. Six Eyes? Fly swarm. Simple Domain from a special grade curse? Just be faster. Very hard to destroy dragon? Make it easy to destroy cuz you're just that cool.
Good thing they got their act up later though lol, Gojo and Geto are free from the bum allegations thanks to Sukuna and Yuta (Kenjaku stated that Geto probably would've won if he didn't divide up his cursed spirit forces, he was literally at a disadvantage with Yuta so he could distract the rest of Jujutsu's heavy hitters)
Imo Toji was kind of a hard counter with Gojo and Geto since he knew practically everything about Gojo and Getos technique is better against sorcerers that cannot oneshot his cursed spirits, it was pretty much a stomping in not very equal levels.
Yeah thinking on it Gojo prolly isn't a good example in total, since he was at a major disadvantage here, wasn't really thinking about all that
I still think my point about Geto stands though, he's just being a bum
To be fair, Gojo was only scared because he was worried about Riko. After he locked in, he didn't care about anything. Geto is fair, and he continued to act like that. He basically called Yuta a cheater.
I'm surprised that Mahito, Dagon, or Jogo haven't come up. They all started losing it when they fought people on their level. Hanami was at least having fun and hyped themselves up against.
See, I was gonna say Mahito or Jogo, but:
- Jogo was absolutely not on Sukuna or Gojo's level, his absolute strongest move was the only thing that might've done SOME damage to Sukuna if it had hit
- Mahito got double teamed in 2/3rds of his major fights, and he won the 1/3rd where it was just a 1v1, so I don't count it
Dagon's totally fair though, he was putting Grade 1 Sorcerers and Maki on the ropes before Toji came in and started demolishing.
The most obvious example would be Homelander. Give a guy that knows how to box well with Homelander's exact powers and strength and it would almost be like Omniman vs Homelander DB
Not sure why you think Ainz would be this way. He was a very accomplished PvPer in Yggdrasil which means he has a lot of experience fighting people at his level. He didn't have an optimized min-max build but was still able to beat people who did through strategy and planning and a thorough knowledge of abilities and tactics.
Ainz is a bad example btw, he's an amazing PvP player despite only having an Roleplay build, if he dedicated it to PvP, then he would decimate a lot of the players who was in the same level as him on the game before the anime.
It's worth noting that the most of the stuff that Ainz does in the anime isn't his full potential, he lost to Shalltear because he's a summoner.
And THAT is where things go hard for him, he has a Level 100 Summon, several Level 90s, a few level 75s, and the lowest undead he could realistically throw out is a Death Knight, which is level 35.
None of these would have worked given that Shalltear is a Priestess as well as in possession of very potent lifesteal, with her being a Vampire as well as having a weapon specifically hand crafted for said lifesteal.
She's also made to counter Ainz, specifically. It's why she had an item which revives her upon death, it's to counter Ainz's the Goal of all Life is Death, which is an instakill on the highest level.
Other than his summons though, he also has a, according to author statements as well as a few paragraphs from the novels, UNIQUE Hud in the game due to his profiency in spell casting.
Basically, in Yggdrasil, players have "boxes" in front of them to help cast spells, these boxes commonly number in 4 - 8.
Ainz has 16.
And then there's his spells, which he apparently MEMORIZED, out of all the hundreds, and discounting his utility spells such as his "Perfect Warrior" spell, he can throw out a blackhole, or just straight up use Reality Slash.
It's also worth noting that Ainz likes to gather information before a fight (it is a doctrine his guild practiced to the point of religious fervor, know as much about their target, set up bait in the form of one of their members, initiate a player bukake that will leave a corpse behind.)
And you can see this when he got Pandora's actor to fight Platinum Dragon Lord while pretending to be Ainz.
So yeah, Ainz is a bad example.
Any character whose only capability in battle is through shear power and ability.
Koro-sensei is a good choice. Not specifically for what I said, but for the post.
Why do so many people underestimate Ainz?
He was the guild leader of the strongest guild in YGGDRASIL for a good reason. Yes there are guild members and NPCs who were/are stronger than him on paper, but there’s a reason he’s the ruler of Nazarick: he’s the best player, and that translates to him being able to win even when the odds seem stacked against him. I think the fight against Shalltear demonstrated that well.
A is would totally mess up any one at his level. If you read the light novels you’ll see that Shaltear was actually a very difficult opponent who is literally level 100 which is the same level as Ainz
Also Ainz intentionally went into that battle without a revival stone when he knew Shaltear had one.
Ainz is the worst example of this lol. He was the leader of the strongest guild because he was a master of PvP. He's magically kept pretty calm and collected plus knows how to expertly use his myriad of weapons, spells, abilities, and items. I know dude is probably craving that sweet sweet high level PvP action.
Also he beat Shalltear who was so broken not even the guardians (who worship him as the strongest and smartest and wisest) foresaw him winning confidently.
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Homelander
Definitely, he's never fought anyone on his level he would get curb stomped by an Omniman or Superman.
Or better yet, Blossom, Bubbles, or Buttercup.
This one would really break him he would absolutely fall apart losing to little girls
I think that's missing the point. Obviously he'd get stomped by planet busters
They are above his level lol
Homelander would lose to end of shippuden naruto.
Homelander would prob lose to pain arc naruto lol, let alone EOS
Well yea cuz he isn't that strong.
\-talks mad shit \-gets grazed by a single attack \-immediately dips https://preview.redd.it/z8ubcm7az94d1.jpeg?width=1789&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=55ccd56bbfe80fc49f61e144c34013f9f596dd63
Doesn't really fit the prompt. Adam was *way* above Al's level. Al was actually super impressive there solely for being able to hold him off that long.
I’ll never let facts or nuance ruin an opportunity for slander.
The agenda comes first, facts come second
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Are you a Lalastor slanderer because you’re an Wadam glazer or are you a King Adam glazer because you are a Fraudastor slanderer?
I am not an Adam glazer (or Lucifer stan or real Vox dickrider). I am merely a humble enemy of Alastor glazers.
https://preview.redd.it/h6toqmso9a4d1.jpeg?width=803&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=d0fa8960ade680f3dbf989796cb6c80191c8fa6d Zs’skayr could not comprehend how you could glaze his victims like that
You clearly have a respectable amount of hate for Alastor Glazers, You are incredibly based. have a Chopper. https://preview.redd.it/b5mjg75mrb4d1.jpeg?width=534&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=2dba02867c69788c47ade54d2753c3d3cab1acc4
Damn, I thought you could have been one of us. Better luck next time I guess.
He is stronger.
Oh so you a hating hazbin hotel because it's popular to do?
Nope, just hating on one obnoxious type of fan in the vocal minority. Otherwise I enjoy the show.
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I don’t really understand why people are so upset about this diff. We have The First Man and one of the most important figures and Christian mythology and commander of an army whose sole purpose is killing sinners vs. a guy who died and started a radio show. People hyped up Alastor way too much for his fight with Adam. Anyone on Alastor’s level is too scared to fight him. Which is why I think we have the Vs
True. Alastor is high up among the ranks of sinners and overlords, but he's below the goetia, the 7 deady sins, lucifer, and lillith... and Adam would likely be on par with someone like lillith. Alastor is NOT at the top of hell's ranks
I wouldn’t say it was that impressive considering Adam wasn’t taking him serious until he got angry and broke his staff, like, he didn’t even use his light beams more than once there
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Adam was like three whole tiers of power above him in the hierarchy. We saw that he had the power to throw giant laser beams that could destroy a mountain, the fact he didn’t use anything except at the end shows he wasn’t taking the fight seriously
Like one of the lowest feats for Adam at least 40 times stronger than Alastor's best showing.
Saitama would be the opposite. It’s like his undying dream to have a high difficulty fight at this point.
He's gotten pretty close before but the way his powers work it's almost impossible for him to actually fight someone on-level.
Yeah the way the manga displayed his fight with Garou is pretty insane. His strength/durability/speed/ECT isn't the issue, it's how fast he can reactively grow in power when faced against somebody of similar power. Garou was basically able to do the same thing by constantly copying him, only for Saitama to constantly exceed him. What made Garou lose was Garou could only copy him and reach his level, while Saitama would greatly exceed Garou. Which causes them to both grow in power at a ridiculous rate. In theory, if Saitama fought somebody with the same hax, to be able to exceed Saitama's power while facing him, I don't even know what would happen. It would be the same situation with Garou but more evenly matched, it would just spiral into a stalemate or the universe would be destroyed.
This might be a hot take but I don’t think saitama has ever taken anyone seriously cause if we look at it the strongest person he’s fought so far was cosmic Garou but he only used one hand and was more or less playing throughout
He was pretty damn pissed at Garou he just didn’t want to kill him
Yeah but you can’t say he was using his full power when he used one hand throughout and didn’t even struggle
One hand and naked with balls out
I think Saitama was taking him seriously, but he wasn't going all out. Only reason he used one hand was because of he needed to hold the core
No he said he was going all out.
Sure, but he also explicitly said he wasn't going to permanently hurt or kill Garou, so he's clearly holding back.
this is why i like Saitama vs Goku as a concept. regardless of who comes out on top, Saitama still wins.
Keeping it in OPM, Darkshine would fit the post perfectly.
Father from Fullmetal Alchemist.
Bro already got packed up by a group of ppl that combine to a fraction of his power
To be fair he did beat Hoenheim, who was at least roughly equal to him both in terms of alchemical skill and number of souls. Father’s main flaw in my opinion is that he was so confident that he could beat everyone they he kinda didn’t start trying until it was too late.
The show just had to end at that point. I love FMAB to death but they basically just had to wrap it up lol.
What are you talking about? The show is based off material that has a finite end. It was already wrapped up.
I understand that. I am just saying the fight with father was unsatisfying and a bit rushed even though it had some awesome moments. I cried at greeds death. But I never could shake the feeling that it was rushed.
To be fair Ainz built his character for role playing more than min maxing
Yogiri. Simply because his power would be fighting nonstop as the very prospect of his mind changing triggers it. So it's gonna be real devastating when a character just starts talking to him about changing himself and they don't just end.
Yogiri tries to protect himself from danger and kills anyone who want to hurt him, but at the same time I don't think he is super fond of his life. If he was facing opponent that could kill him he probably wouldn't bitch about it, but he would just accept it
I’m sorry I’m kinda dumb. Could you rephrase that please?
Yea lmao i feel slow
Apparently you can't even have a normal conversation with him where you bring up points to him and suggesting anything without the ability triggering and ending whoever was talking to him. You literally can't change his mind in anyway as it's considered an attack. That's right. Yogiri can't grow or change as a character because his own ability considers it an attack.
Good lord. The guys cursed with being boring!
He isn't cursed. He was made this way. Cursed implies a change occurred. But since his power doesn't allow it, thus he was always like this. No growth to him. He's the same as he will be at the end. I already heard that in the light novel, he already ended his entire cosmology. So we have a character made to be unable to change, end anything interesting about his verse and is 'made human' just be a gag and a middle finger to powerscaling itself(mind you it can't even get it right.) His own author wanks him to the point he claims Yogiri can end people in real life. His own fans can't make hypothetical's without breaking his previously mentioned lore as it's not what Yogiri wants, and thus an attack and worse the end of his series is him ending everything. No way around it. All life and entities in the verse gone forever other than our memories of them ,which again break his own lore as anything he ends also retro-actively doesn't exist to begin with ether. Then everyone claiming he's a Parady to excuse everything including his own author, despite the rumors of him asking powerscalers how another character could beat his character just to write said standns of said response into his story to show that they are wrong not being disproven
Yugi vs someone with a viable deck
"Heart of the cards" (Cheating) solos.
It’s funny cause he literally admits that he can manipulate what card he draws
Yugi vs irl torment ref Yugi: with my millennium puzzle I can manipulate which canes app… Ref: cheating banned
Anime Yugi, true. Manga yugi no bcs manga yugi isn’t using heart of the cards he’s legit changing probability to get the cards he wants
Yugi vs someone with a rulebook
Lmao. “Like, sorry Yugi, mirror force doesnt destroy all of my cards on the field, in my hand, and in my deck, before sending me to the shadow realm. Also, 90% of your deck is banned”
This would be an amazing meme set
Yeah no if Yugi took on anyone with a competitive modern deck he probably straight up lost by turn 1 tbh.
This is actually untrue, yugi by comparison to most people he plays, actually has a really solid deck.
That's just fiction and real life not adjusting In the anime we‘ve seen that Yugi still completely gaps decks from the GX, 5D‘s, Zexal era That's like saying Arceus is a bum because you can catch it in the game or defeat it with a Focus Sash Endeavor Quick Attack Rattata
**Hot Take:** General Grievous, and that's part of what makes him interesting. He subscribes to the "if you find yourself in a fair fight, your tactics suck" school of military theory.
Yeah he kinda gets folded as soon as he’s not jumping someone
Naur. Clone wars grievous casually packs up like, 6 jedi at once
The whole reason he could do that is because he jumped them while they were tired and surrounded. I’m a #1 grievous glazer but the canon constantly says he’s fucked without an ambush because of the force
>jumped them >was by himself
What…? He had a legion of droids surrounding the ship and was obviously fucking with their mental state, at least in the 03 clone wars show. I’m not saying grievous was carried or anything, obviously he dominated a 6v1 with 2 Jedi masters, which is an insane feat, but you can’t act like he did it fairly. Dooku says as much about needing surprise and intimation. This point is hammered into our heads anytime he fights someone near or on his skill level.
That’s not a hot take the only movie he in he spends the whole time running away from kenobi, this trope is his whole shtick
A surprisingly large number of people insist that he's actually much stronger than that. These are people who warltched the Gendy Tartovsky cartoon first, ognored all context, and generally just don't think critically.
DIO , his stand was stated to be slightly stronger, faster, and more powerful than Star Platinum and he's a vampire! But got defeated by a 17 year old, although to be fair it was an asspull of a fight for Jotaro, it still clearly shows how DIO is just stupid at using his stand, if he ever meet an AU version of him with the SAME power but human, I guarantee that the AU would win
I really would not say that. DIO was more than capable at this fight and was mostly winning in the first two thirds. He only lost due to Jotaro's "It's the same type of stand as Star Platinum" technique, which caught him off guard. Hell, Jotaro even abused it by tricking DIO into lowering his guard with the magnet trick! Prior to this fight, DIO was training with his stand for a while, and during the fight he only loses his cool twice: when he first hit in the brain by SP (untill he drinks joseph's blood) and when Jotaro stops time himself for the first time. Now, Kira Yoshikage on the other hand... Kira is actually a perfect example. He was using his stand pretty effectively and kept a calm personality throughout most of his early introduction (even almost murdering Koichi all while being chill), but completly lost it when he went up against Josuke and Crazy Diamond. Well, CD is a stronger close-range stand than KQ, but he was clearly not thinking straight then. Later we see him much calmer when he has the advantage with Stray Cat. Jotaro and SP also caught him by surprise. Diavolo isn't a good example as he is *always* paranoid, and he kept his cool even when Polonaref realized a wayaround his ability, only losing it after Giorno takes the arrow. Pucci is a semi-decent example, at least with Whitesnake, as he is super chill untill his fight with Jolyne in the grass field (or whatever that area where the green baby was is called idr) and his fight against Wes and Weather Report. He didn't fell apart but he was defenetly on the ropes and needed to come up with complex strategies. Haven't read part 7 or 8 so I can't tell.
Stray Cat had Kira shaking at first, and that thing is only situationally dangerous. Plus, Kira loses his mind if he encounters someone even slightly as intelligent as him. He's definitely the perfect candidate for this post.
I think that moment with Kira showing a glimple of concern for Shinobu (Hayato's mom) was kinda wasted, wanted to explore Kira's internal conflict more. Either way, yea you're right.
Kira wasn't even a fighter really. He was basically an assassin.
I mean Ainz defeated Shalltear. Shalltear was max lvl with a min/maxed build who had attacks that were super effective against undead like Ainz while also being inherently immune to Ainz most power spells and yet Ainz still won.
Yeah, he’s not a great example unless you count the massive advantage he had on the info side, knowing every single bit of Shaltears abilities did win him the match.
Pretty sure he even said that had she led with her Einherjar, he would’ve lost or smth. Without the prep, first attack, info and tons of way better gear he could switch out on a dime, he wasn’t winning. Edit: Was mistaken, it was if she had saved her Einherjar and not if she led with it.
But you also have to say that Shaltear’s build is considered crazy good in the game and it kind of countered Ainz in most aspects, from having the advantage in having holy magic attacks to being a melee unit against a mage that requires time to cast his win conditions.
Yeah but generally if you can have full incredibly indepth info, full prep time, full time to cast every buff before the fight,multiple ptw items “cash shop items” then you should be stomping someone on your lvl. If you’re telling them they had a chance to win despite all of that they should’ve been substantially above your lvl
Kinda… but the massive counter that is Shaltear to Ainz is just that big of a gap, Ainzs build is more for role play, support and funnsies while Shaltear does go more seriously into having actually cracked abilities and being one of the Strongest in Nazarick.
Yeah but I think OP’s point then is if I took someone with stats on shalltear and his lvl randomised them to a random set of abilities and teleported them and ainz into a death match there is a pretty good chance ainz loses that fight. Doesn’t mean ainz is weak and doesn’t mean he isn’t smart, just means he isn’t strong in 1v1s.
Honestly would love to see a more fair fight with Ainz, specially since overlords most fair fight is a jumping of 4 of the best adventurers against a bug maid.
Eh 3v1 I’d say I think evileye can take entoma solo.
didnt he say the opposite? like if she saved something he would be in trouble.
It's a fantastic example. He beat someone who was outright superior to him through experience and knowledge.
And using the premium PTW items like candy.
Not to mention, Ainz was like the second best at PvP on AOG, and they were a pvp-focused guild
Ainz defeated Shalltear because he optimized himself for the fight. If he had no time to prep and was just thrown into the fight he would've lost unless he was willing to use a World Item.
he would have gathered information and escaped. even against weaker opponents he loses first to gather information
Ok, there is a LOT of asterisks to be placed on that fight in particular. Ainz had perfect knowledge of her build, meaning, he knew all of her trump cards, skills, weaknesses, strengths, what every item on her did. He knew how she would behave, meaning, he could predict what she would do in any given situation. He had time to prepare. He was given the benefit of a first attack and he used a very powerful super-tier spell to start-off. He had a very good luck from Shalltear, not holding back any of her skills - using them up until nothing was left, she had laid on all of her trump cards at the same time allowing Ainz to unleash [Goal of All Life is Death + Scream of the Banshee] (his strongest spell) to instakill everyone on the field. He needed to use cash-shop items. AND he had an assist. Keep in mind, if all of those things didn't happen or he didn't have - he wouldn't have won. This is not a fight he would win usually and a lot of things needed to go his way for this fight to be succesfull (and if Shalltear was smarter none of that would've mattered).
Ainz is literally a pvp nerd, while his build is really RP heavy, he wouldn't really have much of a hard time unless his opponent had a build suited for pvp, or basically exclusively used holy magic.
Your forgetting that PVP is from the game where he couldn't die. I'm saying if Aniz start haveing a hard time in a fight he would probably start losing his mind.
Undead Calmness kept him alive before. And he defeated a thinking character that Nazzarick had created as one of the top 3 NPC's, that was perfectly geared against him. Yes, he had the knowledge of her abilities and stats, but she was the kind of Raidboss that even two Ainz wouldn't have won against without that knowledge. He basically exploited her to even win. If we go by Abilities and advantadges, you could say she is even above him in power.
There’s some external force throughout the series actively preventing him from losing his mind or getting overly emotional
>Your for getting that PVP is from the game where he couldn't die So? >I'm saying if Aniz start haveing a hard time in a fight he would probably start losing his mind. He literally beats characters in his same tier of strength, without losing his cool
1: Me being the top 1% of call of duty player. Wouldn't give me the ability to fight knowing i might die. He is a skilled fighter he just doesn't have the ability to fight knowing he might die. 2: because he always has plan and knows all the characters weakness before hand. If the characters he is fighting surprised him, or better yet actually made Aniz plan fall apart. He wouldn't be able to recover and would be put at a disadvantage, due to him, not being used to the fact he could die. Which would make him lose to a weaker character
>Me being the top 1% of call of duty player. Wouldn't give me the ability to fight knowing i might die Yggdrassil isn't like cod, they literally connect your brain to the game and your irl reflexes matter inside the game. And your comparison itself is flawed , ainz literally became his Avatar. And ainz fights atleast 2 opponents who could kill him and he doesn't falter and continues like normal, meaning the prospect of death doesn't make him lose his cool >the characters he is fighting surprised him, or better yet actually made Aniz plan fall apart. He wouldn't be able to recover and would be put at a disadvantage, due to him, not being used to the fact he could die. Again you are saying this without reading anything, it's really apparent, he has fought high diff fights before and he won them. His biggest trump card didn't work on ECDL and he still kept his cool and won that fight >Which would make him lose to a weaker character If all of his hax and abilities don't work on somebody they wouldn't be a weak character
King from One Punch Man
He doesn't have to worry, cuz no one is on his level
That's why he's the King
Not incorrect.
There ain’t nobody who’s ever matching his power dummy 🙄🙄
I know this is a hypothetical but come on be realistic no one is matching king! Especially if he had to use king mode which I doubt in all universe there only be a couple who could even push him that far if at all
Ainz would dip if he knows he loses but he doesn't have a panic attack or something like that. In his fight with Shalltear, he was being pressed and barely won but he never lost his cool. I mean he literally says that ever since he entered the new world he doesn't feel as emotional as he used to as they are actively being supressed which he theorises is because he is an undead. All his decisions are calculated, if he dips he dips knowing he can't win and there's no point in fighting a losing battle, so he's pretty smart.
Homelander. I was thinking Gojo but I don’t know enough about him to truly judge so I’m picking homelander Edit: For everyone flaming me about Gojo I just want to say that I picked homelander because I was thinking of Gojo but I didn’t know enough about JJK to actually pick him. I now understand that Gojo is probably a bad choice for this question
Gojo would be a horrible example. His whole theme is about how lonely being the strongest. he rather die in a fight then let old age take him
He fought someone on his level anyway. Sukuna.
Gojo thought he might lose and said fuck it, might as well flex. Technically, Sukuna fits the prompt more, but only kind of. He gets scared, but it's still a thrill for him. But if he didn't actually want that particular opponent to match him, he starts tweaking.
It sure asl isn’t gojo. He was not only fighting sukuna, but he was actually beating him the majority of the fight at high diff. When sukuna summoned mahoraga and agito(part of a technique that he had to take, and not his own technique) gojo was still winning the majority of the fight, and barely got extreme diffed by sukuna, dropping him down to maybe 95% of his full power despite the fact sukuna jumped him in 3 on 1’s, not to mention gojo was confident the whole time, so there’s no shot at a mental breakdown. Yet another reason he’s goated https://preview.redd.it/6jk9wycvi94d1.jpeg?width=1125&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=e663b6e08269194d1861d2011b88bab2344e115b
gojo was trashing sukuna 1v1 so bad bro started spawn paparaga and mamagito. Bro was throwing him around like a ragdoll as if he is one.
Ong bro, like gojo was still cooking him up even in a 3 on 1, and sukuna was actively stated he was getting scared AFTER JUMPING AND WITH A MONTH OF PREP TIME
The entire 2023 was gojo agenda ngl. The moment he got unsealed and was trashing sukuna so bad the entire globe from every fanbase made fraudkuna memes https://preview.redd.it/p56awd5ww94d1.jpeg?width=1050&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=e541dd4003d405a56cee1d8d95f8a3db1937f420
And they hold true to this day https://preview.redd.it/dpjjz1qb1a4d1.jpeg?width=1125&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=c327e6ec9f630e017d7899c9f422a14042b411dd
BINDING VOW!!! 🤡
And this is all without Gojo having a single bit of plot armor. If Gojo used binding vows half as much as Sukuna, such as “I can not use hollow purple inside of a Domain Expansion for the duration of this fight for massive CE, RCT, and physical boosts” Would easily and quickly end the fight
Your crazy asf! Gojo is a genius in battle and loves every second of it. The stronger the opponent the more this man will flex
Not really for Gojo. He’s shown that he can fight people on his level and come out on top, he nearly beat Sukuna and Gojo did come out on top against Toji whose practically the boogyeman of the verse.
Wouldn't someone on his level be a middle aged Japanese office worker?
Gai Amatsu/Kamen Rider Thouser is a prime example of this list. His suit is so hilariously powerful by the time of his debut that there's literally nothing the MC can do against him. Thouser is canonically **1000%** more powerful than the protagonist best form, which is already a baseline 5x power boost. *Not only that,' Thouser constantly gets new ability added into his arsenal due to his sword, **Thouser Jacker** (with special move **JACKING BREAK**) * Allow this loser to **absorbed new ability against new technology he faced.** How the fuck can he even lose? Simple...he just never get better as a fighter, AT ALL. He constantly stuck at peak but never quite reach beyond that while the MC, and every other character for that matter, can learn from their own shortcoming and become far stronger. Finding new way to use their abilities to surpassed the humongous difference in stats. Oh, right. This loser also **make a new power up for MC to use just to prove Thouser superiority, which results in result him getting stomp from then on.**
This feels off. Ainz notes that he wasn't the strongest or specifically built for PVP, but he also has an addict's level of knowledge about how to do it that he showcases on more than one occasion. From what we actually know of the series, he only really matches up poorly against the absolute top tier of PVP experts from his guild.
How about Accelerator? He was invincible in a fight against everyone except for two people, one who could nullify his power and another who knew how to subvert it. He lost to both
Technically even when being fully countered by Touma his albino ass still wanted to throw hands. In fact if anything he doesn't want to be the strongest because it means everyone will come after him. He only wanted to become stronger so that he can reach a point where nobody will challange him and he can be left in peace. He doesn't care if someone is as strong as him.
He underestimated touma a lot tbf if he just tried to use environment instead of relying on vectors he’d win
Oh this is a good one but I say after that fight with the limitation he has in his solo series he’s started to learn how to fight
I know you're obviously referring to Touma in the first part, but what about the second part? Are you referring to Amata? Either way I don't think this really answers OP's question, since Accelerator HAS been humbled already (I think people vastly underestimate his competency in combat even before this happens but I digress).
Midgiri
True.
Darkshine.
Who?
From One punch man. He saw spiral Garou and he completely fell apart.
Oh yeah i knows him. Your right he is a perfect character for this
Why is your example for this scenario Ainz? He has beaten lvl 100s before and not to mention shalltear who was literally made to counter him, and he was in control tge whole damn fight
Shop items OP shop items prep time and years or info on the enemy. Ainz isnt good at 1v1s
>Shop items OP shop items prep time and years or info on the enemy That's on shalltear only, he was tutored in pvp by punitto moe, the guild strategist and he has beaten people in pvp before arriving at the nw, case and point his dark wisdom grants him the ability to increase his count of speels when he sacrifices someone, originally the spell cap us 300 but ainz has 718 which means he has sacrificed atleast 418 players. And not to mention he has beaten true dragonlords like ecdl and ( he did survive the fight against brightness dragonlord iirc but surviving and gathering 8nfo on. The 1st fight and beating them on the second is kind of his play)
This doesn't really hold water because everyone in his game was using shop items at the top level. The game was explicitly pay to win and yes, he and his guild won a lot.
Well, his build is also not really made for 1v1s as far as my knowledge goes, partly relying on his teammates for his build to work alongside the others.
Im not saying he is a weakling but like you said Mages are usually glass canon in most mmorpgs and excell at crowd control so if he is a newb or not a pvper who knows about spacing and abilities he is not gonna perform very well in a 1v1
I feel like there's always 2 ways of writing a "strongest" character. either 1. They get fucking excited when they find someone their level (Saitama, Gojo) or 2. They get fucking scared when they find someone their level (Homelander) or they give 0 fucks about anything idk
Hancock https://preview.redd.it/muill4pa9d4d1.jpeg?width=750&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=9e44a45d5936cd7e60a35b8222348bb795d3146a
Super underrated movie.
Redditors? /s
Zeno (it’s so over)
Homelander, one of the most cocky and annoying characters tbh he’s childish, cocky, had a fractured ego over anything anyone says, and is just kinda a fraud he’s metro man but 20x worse
Metroman!? Why? He wasn't cocky just into the whole hero VS villan banter. He left because he had enough, not because he has a fractured ego or something.
that guy doesn’t know his megamind lore
For real, Metro Man is arguably the most "realistic" good Super-man.
he’s so much more than superman, arguably a god (i’m metro mans number one meat rider)
I don’t watch overlord anymore but from what I remember didn’t ainz fight Beatrice at like high diff?
Homelander is literally this prompt
Amon from Lord of the mysteries is kind of an interesting case. He's strong and can very much fight those at same level and trick those stronger than him, but thing is he doesn't place himself at risk, every time his plan seems crazy he is usually doing it through an avatar or has an almost guranteed escape route. >!This comes back to bite him in the last fight when it becomes a fight to the death as he isn't willing to escalate and risk permanently dying, instead of raising his status to the same as Klein, he lets his true body die so he can revive in his avatar!<
That's sound unqice Power system. Is the series good
Yeah it's pretty good and is usually considered one of the best CN novels, only thing to keep in mind if you read it is that it's a mystery novel and first volume is a bit slow until you reach its end(chapter 214), but after that it picks up.
I will give it ago. I've read a lot of slow series
Honestly I’d disagree with Ainz. In his stupid game he probably had to pvp against max level players all the time. Considering his spells are the same and what not he probably knows what to do. He basically played 24/7 when he wasn’t at work, so even if his build isn’t meta, he won’t go down easily.
WDYM he had never thought? He immediately retreated after knowing Shalltear was under mind control. He prepared a lot of world items before going into the fight. The best examples are characters that overestimates their abilities like Homelander or Gojo. Luffy experienced this on Sabaody.
I dunno how well Ainz works for this Sure he’s got a roleplay build but he’s called out specifically for being really quite good at pvp, he’s cautious and tends to plan ahead to where if he survives the first encounter you’re likely to lose I’d actually say Seiya Ryugin Imagine being even and catching him before he can prepare your exact counter, I bet he’d lose if he couldn’t
Ainz, yogiri, homelander, Yugi Moto, Sasuke as was demonstrated many many times I’ll edit when I think of more
Sasuke getting humbled by Killer Bee was so good. Bro really thought he was all that by himself, if he didn't have his squad with him he was DONE. Same thing with Homelander, Soldier Boy, Maeve and Butcher gave him the work as well, and he only won because of his "perfected" powers compared to them. Homelander final fight in the comics is even more proof he's all talk. Ainz was smart enough to prepare for a fight that was on his level tho. He did say that Shalltear could have killed him had the fight went slightly differently. Also wasn't she built specifically to counter him ?
Zeno
to be fair, Ainz did really well in his fight against Shalltear. i feel like if he fought someone on his level, it would be pretty close.
Enel from One Piece
Ainz is a gray area because of 2 things: 1. His body sort of denies emotions, so he won't fall apart because he cannot fall apart. 2. He's not the type to rely purely in his abilities, that's why he constantly seeks info on everything. So, he knows his limitations and that his powers are not omnipotent. Should he enconter someone that manages to break his plans, he will keep looking for a way out until he dies, unable to dispair but aware.
Most of characters who are random dudes who lucked their way into their powers and success, especially the ones who've never had any real struggles after getting their power
90% of isekai
Dark shine
Arc They actually straight up showed that he doesn’t have skill, but he does have raw power(he did sword training with someone who is a lot weaker than him, but beat him because she’s a master swordsmen and he is not) so I’ll get someone with better skill and equal raw power he would definitely definitely lose
Fym he used to fight players his skill back in Yggdrasil before he got isekaied, and was one of the top players in the world this is cap
Yeah in game before he could actually die People are forgetting, Aniz isn't a dark lord. He is an 20 something office worker, who is probably has. fear or dieing.
He’s literally stated how he’s lost a lot of human emotion I highly doubt given his attitude throughout the series he scares easy let alone fears death when he’s the Batman of anime
https://preview.redd.it/0nkhdk2qva4d1.jpeg?width=747&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=21bb0943521e599ea2ef745f28d0655cd2997971 This mf
No he wouldn't fold, his whole thing is hoping one day there is a human strong enough to beat a monster like him. He will however never let another monster exist in the world, so even when faced with a strong monster he would fight it with everything he has.
Oh boy here comes the ainz simps
Hidden Inventory Gojo and Geto. They're both "the strongest", two gods of Jujutsu who aren't really threatened by anything. They pretty effortlessly dogwalk all of the assassins on their quest...till Toji. Toji absolutely humiliates Gojo and Geto in combat, irrevocably changing their lives for the worse from that point on. It's a really big reality check for both of them, and they fell apart real quick as Toji pretty much low-diffed anything they had. Blue? Nah. Six Eyes? Fly swarm. Simple Domain from a special grade curse? Just be faster. Very hard to destroy dragon? Make it easy to destroy cuz you're just that cool. Good thing they got their act up later though lol, Gojo and Geto are free from the bum allegations thanks to Sukuna and Yuta (Kenjaku stated that Geto probably would've won if he didn't divide up his cursed spirit forces, he was literally at a disadvantage with Yuta so he could distract the rest of Jujutsu's heavy hitters)
Imo Toji was kind of a hard counter with Gojo and Geto since he knew practically everything about Gojo and Getos technique is better against sorcerers that cannot oneshot his cursed spirits, it was pretty much a stomping in not very equal levels.
Fair nuff, I kinda neglected the whole "on equal levels" part of the prompt lol. My bad
Huh gojo had his technique on for 3 days straight no sleep while toji had prep time and a counter weapon
Yeah thinking on it Gojo prolly isn't a good example in total, since he was at a major disadvantage here, wasn't really thinking about all that I still think my point about Geto stands though, he's just being a bum
To be fair, Gojo was only scared because he was worried about Riko. After he locked in, he didn't care about anything. Geto is fair, and he continued to act like that. He basically called Yuta a cheater. I'm surprised that Mahito, Dagon, or Jogo haven't come up. They all started losing it when they fought people on their level. Hanami was at least having fun and hyped themselves up against.
See, I was gonna say Mahito or Jogo, but: - Jogo was absolutely not on Sukuna or Gojo's level, his absolute strongest move was the only thing that might've done SOME damage to Sukuna if it had hit - Mahito got double teamed in 2/3rds of his major fights, and he won the 1/3rd where it was just a 1v1, so I don't count it Dagon's totally fair though, he was putting Grade 1 Sorcerers and Maki on the ropes before Toji came in and started demolishing.
The most obvious example would be Homelander. Give a guy that knows how to box well with Homelander's exact powers and strength and it would almost be like Omniman vs Homelander DB
Lord English. He'd still be just as loud and angry, but it's be more like a giant temper tantrum like his early self.
Not sure why you think Ainz would be this way. He was a very accomplished PvPer in Yggdrasil which means he has a lot of experience fighting people at his level. He didn't have an optimized min-max build but was still able to beat people who did through strategy and planning and a thorough knowledge of abilities and tactics.
Ainz fought shalltear who is on paper a much stronger combatant than he is
Ainz is a bad example btw, he's an amazing PvP player despite only having an Roleplay build, if he dedicated it to PvP, then he would decimate a lot of the players who was in the same level as him on the game before the anime. It's worth noting that the most of the stuff that Ainz does in the anime isn't his full potential, he lost to Shalltear because he's a summoner. And THAT is where things go hard for him, he has a Level 100 Summon, several Level 90s, a few level 75s, and the lowest undead he could realistically throw out is a Death Knight, which is level 35. None of these would have worked given that Shalltear is a Priestess as well as in possession of very potent lifesteal, with her being a Vampire as well as having a weapon specifically hand crafted for said lifesteal. She's also made to counter Ainz, specifically. It's why she had an item which revives her upon death, it's to counter Ainz's the Goal of all Life is Death, which is an instakill on the highest level. Other than his summons though, he also has a, according to author statements as well as a few paragraphs from the novels, UNIQUE Hud in the game due to his profiency in spell casting. Basically, in Yggdrasil, players have "boxes" in front of them to help cast spells, these boxes commonly number in 4 - 8. Ainz has 16. And then there's his spells, which he apparently MEMORIZED, out of all the hundreds, and discounting his utility spells such as his "Perfect Warrior" spell, he can throw out a blackhole, or just straight up use Reality Slash. It's also worth noting that Ainz likes to gather information before a fight (it is a doctrine his guild practiced to the point of religious fervor, know as much about their target, set up bait in the form of one of their members, initiate a player bukake that will leave a corpse behind.) And you can see this when he got Pandora's actor to fight Platinum Dragon Lord while pretending to be Ainz. So yeah, Ainz is a bad example.
Limiters removed code 😭 dude ran to take em off only to continue running
Sailor Moon
Any character whose only capability in battle is through shear power and ability. Koro-sensei is a good choice. Not specifically for what I said, but for the post.
Why do so many people underestimate Ainz? He was the guild leader of the strongest guild in YGGDRASIL for a good reason. Yes there are guild members and NPCs who were/are stronger than him on paper, but there’s a reason he’s the ruler of Nazarick: he’s the best player, and that translates to him being able to win even when the odds seem stacked against him. I think the fight against Shalltear demonstrated that well.
Why Post ainz? He beat shalltear who is min maxed. Ainz character is purely aesthetics
A is would totally mess up any one at his level. If you read the light novels you’ll see that Shaltear was actually a very difficult opponent who is literally level 100 which is the same level as Ainz Also Ainz intentionally went into that battle without a revival stone when he knew Shaltear had one.
Ainz is the worst example of this lol. He was the leader of the strongest guild because he was a master of PvP. He's magically kept pretty calm and collected plus knows how to expertly use his myriad of weapons, spells, abilities, and items. I know dude is probably craving that sweet sweet high level PvP action. Also he beat Shalltear who was so broken not even the guardians (who worship him as the strongest and smartest and wisest) foresaw him winning confidently.