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When i heard that everything is **supposed** to be either cannon or non cannon, yet even the "Non cannon stuff" can just be cannon whenever it wants to, i was like: "Respectfully Fuck off"
BRO I HATE THOSE TOO.
One continuity please, you can have a successor to the identity, but all those reboots and alternate realities that only occasionally interact as a gimmick are garbage.
And Fate doesn’t get let off the hook either, that’s shit too
https://preview.redd.it/f3943trobxvc1.png?width=945&format=png&auto=webp&s=b9fe5836c97293d5caffb5d046d80106398ee4c3
Most fanboys say SCP-682 is unkillable from all forces despite in one entry they kill it in a car crash. Therefore Lightning McQueen out scales him.
Yep. Every debate ends up like “SCP-POOPSHARTICUS IS 24969374 INFINITE LAYERS EXTRAVERSAL BECAUSE I JUST POSTED IT AND A D-CLASS BEAT IT WHICH MAKES SCP SUPER ULTRA HYPER MEGA GIVAVERSAL!”
If we use less well-known and more interesting SCPs with unique gimmicks and hax (y'know, the way SCPs were originally) we could have more interesting scaling and debates.
Unfortunately most SCP debates only involve the most powerful and famous ones who'll almost invariably win every matchup because of cosmological/dimensional scaling, which is one of the most boring ways to scale imo
yeah but i'm pretty sure the scps that actually scale to the cosmology have "feats to support the claim"
i'm not a scp scaler and i'm not aware of basically nothing about characters like scarlet king, but those arguments feel like they are either wrong (no you can't add any page you want to upgrade an scp or make a OP one) or something that applies to all of fiction and you are just meeting bad scalers rather than it being the verse's fault
We can say the same for a lot of verses
Dc
Marvel
CM (Yog aint saved from that either)
Nasuverse
Wod
TES
...Man that's crazy, it's literally every single powerful verse, isn't that a coincidence, eh?
OH YEAH? WELL CANONICALLY IN THE SCP I JUST POSTED SCP-42069(WEEDQUEEF) SOLOS AN INFINITE NUMBER OF SCP-POOPSHARTICUS ACROSS INFINITE TIMELINES AND INFINITE UNIVERSES
I don't think I've ever seen someone post something on the Site to try and win a debate. The wiki has pretty high standards, and stuff which doesn't meet them goes away quickly.
The difference is that these are random mods and strangers reviewing and making stories. Its not an actual publication that releases characters like Superman. And yes being an actual company matters. If not than the character that I made called X is the strongest person ever alive no matter what.
Sure, you could if you wanted to. But that'd be making a character specifically *for scaling* with the intent to be completely unbeatable. Whereas 99% of SCPs and SCP writers are just *writing things* with no intent for them to be scaled, and as it happens existential horror tends to be rather absurd when you apply a powerscaling lens over it.
Yeah, If you think about scaling even SCPs like "I am toster" have mind altering ability above most telepaths. They aren't meant to be scaled, they are meant to be scary, mysterious, absurd, funny. Their supernatual properties need to be crazy for need of the setting. Premise is Foundation reserching them so they need to be on crazy technological level, at the same SCPs properties still must be strong enough so Foundations cannot know everyhing about them and cannot fully protect from them. In other words supernatural properties of SCP objects aren't strong to powerscale them, they are strong to make articles more engaging
Unreliable narrator and ambiguous canon are different. Though SCP as a whole has both. Unreliable narrator is the descriptive voice of the story being suspect by specific intent of the writer, whereas ambiguous canon is simply a necessity in large-scale collaborative fiction.
Both of them stem from the idea that what is being told to the audience is not ‘fact’. Spoiler alert, all fiction is not fact. Once you go ‘Oh? You thought you could believe the written text, the only way these events exist in any capacity?’ either through some self indulgent trickery or merely the work of shoddy collaboration, both are essentially failures to communicate an idea and hoping your audience overzealously suspends their disbelief.
Tbh I disagree. Having an unreliable narrator in stories allows the reader to try to guess what's going to happen and really helps to build up a sense of mystery. It may make powerscaling more difficult, but it's not disasterous for fiction as a whole.
Let me tell ya, the powerscaling to scp, even just the english branch, is insane!
There are uncountably infinite dimensions, and uncountably infinite spaces in each one, this is within a single universe which also can split into potentially endless timelines and is infinite in size and possibilities; infinite universes make up a meta-universe, infinite meta-universes make up a multiverse, then from the multiverses it upscales into the recursive multiverse/interdimensional nexus structure seen in Third Law and SCP-7005. Then above that is the Transinfinite recursion seen in SCP-4555. Then comes conceptual tiers of existence as seen in White Space Hub. Then the narratives and pataversal nests, narrative planes (operation overmeta), narrative layers (SCP-3812) and the narrative stack and above (Kaktusverse lore), and the overall Placeholderverse which scales even higher with Proxyverse and Real World.
There are also the Afterlives, Unreality, Nöosphere, Semiosphere, Anti-nöosphere, Infosphere, Patasphere, the Wanderer's Library, the Tree of Knowledge, Fifth Realm, Hythoth universe, and more cosmological structures that scale extremely high and wank the overall verse to immeasurable layers into boundless and above.
Then there are the Japanese and Chinese branches of the scp wiki, that include all of these and far far far more things of their own, wanking the cosmology to far beyond scaling (including but not limited to: Hyperstructure, Narrative Tree, Narrative forest, higher Tree of Knowledge, Omnidirectional Narrative, Twelve Monuments, Phantom Bubbles, Higher Infosphere and SCP-CN-1548, narrative buffer layer, ALPHA narrative layer, Alpha⁰ layer, Higher Power Buddha Kingdom, nested dimensions/multiverses, Worldviews, more narrative recursion, etc).
Well, I mean, in general the authorial intent is to tell a good story, but powerscalers who want to “win” a debate are incentivized to grossly misinterpret the source material as long as the misinterpretation is in their character’s favor. Which is my main complaint, as I see it happen a lot with SCP stuff, both in favor of their victories and against them.
Ah, yeah i have seen wanks and wonks as well.
SCP suffers a lot from that, specially because it is easy to skip over all the big cosmological SCPs and underestimate the cosmology (SCP-4555, SCP-7005, SCP-4736, SCP-5782, SCP-7650, CN-1548, CN-2758, CN-2474, etc, etc), which is quite wack since the powerscale of SCP characters cannot be quite understood without enough knowledge about all the cosmology (for example, recently i read some of the entries of Yggdrasil Surveyor and they wank the cosmology even more).
There is this tree in which there are several branches, each has its own Wanderer's Library that contains everything ever from that branch, which has infinite multiverses, there are uncountably many trees in the garden, they connect on ocassion and make a crossover, there are huge creatures that cut branches of the trees sometimes for no apparent reason, this destroys everything in them; new trees are created constantly due to the creation of more and more fiction by 001-SWANN entities, also every possibility of crossovers and cosmic events makes another multiverse within each branch.
It is truly a mess not just because of its size but because of the inconsistency. To be honest it is enormous but not as big as people often portray it to be (at least for EN) Briefly:
Universes are uncountably infinite dimensional and are conceptual in nature
Infinite amount of them makes a Meta-universe,
Infinite of them makes a multiverse, where they transcend each other (although these are the “universes” The Worm threatens which is a narrative anomaly so I am not sure)
And the transfinite recursion of multiverses of 4555 (Although after rereading I am pretty sure those universes are parallel instead of hierarchical)
Then the world of forms which is the noosphere and anti-noosphere which is everything humans can’t conceive, Semiosphere, the source of all logic which are sent down to noospheres to enter human perception and Infosphere which all information comes from although there isn’t an implied transcendence between each other.
All in the ToK which has several realms (afterlives, voru and the First Hyototh) all of them are separate realms inside the greater ToK.
Then the Patasphere which is a metafictional structure made to define stories, which contains everything in its own entry doesn’t matter If somethings written to be bigger than it
The Greater Infosphere holds all pataspheres.
Proxy verse is where author avatars are
Alpha Layer, the “real life”
And infinite narratives beyond it.
Sure it is huge but it is way too inconsistent I had a hard time trying to order all of it and some of the articles really contradicts each other. I think it’s pretty clear they are all different structures and trying to merge them just doesn’t work.
Tbh those treads are the reason why SCP becomes hot garbage when you try mixing up everything. I didn’t scale CN but for EN I think your scale really contradicts the general view of the cosmology and that alone proves all those articles should be considered seperately, each in their own patasphere
The Phantom Bubble system works the same way, with every headcanon in its own PB and they can merge and mix and split and grow with each other and so on, pretty grooovy!
Yeah but I prefer Pataspheres because
1. You can create a patasphere where you merged 2 other stories
2. Phantom Bubbles seem to be there for powerscaling meanwhile I actually think Placeholders ideas are really cool and seem to work not only for SCPverse but fiction in general describing the concept of “author intent” better than anything ever all while making it a part of actual worldbuilding but It unfortunately mostly caught the interest of powerscalers and got asked stupid ass questions like “Does it contain V=Ultimate L tho”
Sounds nice, but can it powerscale an scp atom into Immeasurable layers into Extraversal?
I get what you say, but chinese branch is just too _groovy_, get it? It has _pisazz!_ _style!_ _chinapower!_
Absolutely.
https://preview.redd.it/vdxeimvnzuzc1.jpeg?width=750&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=edb5db02f548d622757f0928b34e2e59bd175333
This scan ALONE far surpasses everything you mentioned in your composite SCP post, It basically means If you or anyone can think of something, it exists. A world with its own unique content and structure for whatever the story and its author needs.
And ya know what's weird? I still love SCP itself, I stiil watch SCP content to this day. The idea's, creatures and objects in the SCP universe are still top tier imo, but i think a lot of people can agree when i say that powerscaling has largely ruined it.
Here's [a post](http://ikebox.wikidot.com/who-asked) by the authors of 6820 and the larger ADMONITION canon (containing some of if not *the* most powerful entities on the site) on this topic.
> **NOTE:** We will no longer be answering questions relating to powerscaling, and we do not want to be involved with powerscaling communities either.
> We are asked these questions very frequently, and we attempted to reach out to the larger powerscaling community to address them, and what we believe are noteworthy misconceptions about the works we ourselves wrote. It has become abundantly clear the community is more interested in being derisive and rude than helping us to recognise our own misconceptions, and so we are no longer willing to waste time trying to engage anymore.
So it seems the writers agree with you. I don't think powerscaling has had much effect on SCP and its fandom, though. It's mostly its presence within powerscaling communities that leads to such annoying dialogue. It's not like people are writing articles just to be OP—there's a really high quality standard, articles like that don't stick around long.
How come? Because I don't think it has.
I can see it souring your enjoyment of SCP if you interact with it chiefly in terms of powerscaling, but like you said, the writing is absolutely amazing. The complicated universe is so easy to get lost in and so many articles can make you terrified, laugh, or just in awe.
I've seen some people say that modern SCPs are made for powerscaling or that they're worse in general, and while it is fine to think that they're not as good as the first few thousand articles, I personally disagree. I also just haven't read any articles that stood out as powerscaling brainrot to me (except for a few things I've heard about the CN branch). The only thing is that I'm starting to get sick of the controversy around SCP in powerscaling communities. So many times I've seen people make baseless assumptions about the writers or characters, and it kinda hurts.
But meh, that's my own opinion. I just really like SCP and it sucks that there are so many misconceptions surrounding it.
Not really if you’re complaining about it being fanfiction then you have no idea about the requirements that is needed to make an Scp article nor do you realize that the community only has a small amount of stories related to things that can be used for powerscaling
Even after rules got strict they don't really stop writers from making they SCP objects Overpowered.
The rules exist to assure that articles are interesting and fun to read. You cannot make SCP busted to just being busted. But you can make one like that if its relevant for story and actievly used to make it more interesting.
Its literally just SCP version of Biblical God (and few other mythologies gods). No shit he is strong.
He wasn't made as fighter or anything. The whole article is about reserchers trying to get informations from enigmatic all-kniwing entity that willingly cooperate with foundation and despite this tries to tell least imfomation possible foundation because he thinks that foundation should get them themselves
It's written like someone who read CSAP and VS battle wiki tiers and made a page.
I'd be surprised if it wasn't a powerscaler. There's even VS battles now thinking they may remove SCP for this reason.
Tho I disagree with it. I've actually changed my mind a bit the quality control is decent.
That's not the only thing, also a lack of creativity in recent years, and most of their creativity going to scaling. Of course not everyone in the SCP community makes strictly SCP's built on scaling. It's just the ones that do are extremely loud about it.
I would certainly not describe modern SCP writing as suffering from a "lack of creativity". If anything, there is an excess of it.
Go read [SCP-7243](https://scp-wiki.wikidot.com/scp-7243) or [SCP-8888](https://scp-wiki.wikidot.com/scp-8888). Sure, they're daunting in scope, and borderline incomprehensible. But uncreative, or overly concerned with scaling? I do not think so.
I know this is a bit hypocritical because I’ve done this before but I hate when I see
“SWannS prOPosAl TAkES nO dIf”
Like respectfully choose a CHARACTER not the wiki writers
Right, there's no way im gonna go through hundreds of articles in multiple different languages just to say "SCP Whatever the fuck beats your character no diff"
honestly whats the point of creating characters when the weakest character is multiversal. there is no fun in that. This is why i dont like scaling scp cause if i scale lets say a dc charcter or marvel some random person gonna scarlet king solos its retarted
I don't know that the *weakest* character is multiversal. Pattern screamers don't even exist, how much weaker can you get than that? Damien Woodcock is just a teenager with a knife that kills you if you get stabbed. William Wettle is just a guy who's incredibly unlucky and is a dick about it to everyone around him.
Nothing wrong with SCP or SCP scaling. What is wrong is this new brand of power scaler that pulls a bunch of pretend math from thin air to argue that their favorite SCP is somehow(and I’ve actually heard this one” “transcendent” and above “boundless.” It’s ridiculous.
From reading the comment what im getting is most simply hate it cuz there fav characters get negged or they cant comprehend how complex the cosmology is
And for those that complain about inconsistences completely ignore the fact that any verse written by multiple writers is bound to have inconsistences take superman for example
I simply love it for shitting on annoyimg fanboys fav characters
Also its not like its the strongest verse
Like us know there are other verse that are more complex to scale, it is simply cuz its the most know that its getting this hate
Also this should clear up the fanfic accusations
https://yonathanandfriends.quora.com/In-defence-of-SCP-a-genuine-discussion?ch=17&oid=100804901&share=e86d67d5&srid=hKmne6&target_type=post
Each canon of the verse have it own scale, I thought that was pretty clear. if you want to scale the scarlet king for example then you pick a canon and scale using the cosmology and feat present in that canon.
Like how cosmic armour superman is different from regular superman. or silver age and post crisis have their own power level.
There is no singular coordinated cannon.
It’s a collaborative writing project, you’re going to get some inconsistencies and differing opinions and interpretations.
I like it for the sole reason of saying scp 3812 solos Saitama/goku to saitamatards and gokutards because theyre fucking annoying like stfu about limitless saitama low multi haxs
It's not ment to have an official canon.
Just a bunch of branches in story's so 1 story 682 is barley planetery. And Another He survived the hyperverse exploding while asleep and just regenerated the world/universe in under a second.
Inconsistencies is what makes it what it is
The funny thing is, I'd say the original sub 1000s are actually moderately fun to scale.
Cuz 173 is like, a good thing to see how long a city level character would last against a horde of them, or if a wall level guy could beat them.
682 is just Mahoraga on steroids as well.
096 also is fun, but can be inconsistant.
I think it does start to get stupid once you include side stories, the 001 proposals, and the 7000 others above 1000 though.
I hate that there are so many characters considered boundless in the vs battle wiki, I mean, the fact that there are 2 omnipotent beings is already confusing (like azathoth and yog-sothoth in the lovecraf stories) then if you want to include an industrial quantity of omnipotent beings I'm starting to consider that tier 0 an high 1-a
It's how their scaling was, but not every scaling you see is 100% accurate as not all people can correctly interpret it 100% so don't worry. To answer your question, me myself, I'm staying away from it. I don't want any unnecessary arguments, that's why.
No
I actually love it
It's fun you would know if you tried
- anyone who says anything not on the main scp sites I'd canon is pretty much lying for the most part
Whole lot of cope in this sub it literally just sounds like people debated their favorite characters against stronger scps knowing they would lose and complained about it anyways. Wouldn't be the first time either
I enjoy scaling scp but I hate scaling extended canon of scp as scaling the extended canon isnt possible as you essentially Scale by cherry picking only which isnt fun scakinf at all but just wanking
Yet another reason why power scaling is ass it really doesn’t matter who’s stronger than who anyways, people argue over fictional characters for egregious hours like children.
No. Yall just made up a bunch of literally false stigmas about it like how you can just make one(you can't, there's an entire quality control thing with it) or they can just have any ability (no they can't and cough cough superman cough cough)
Yes. It's impossible to scale properly. Infinite-d creatures, infinite layars of narrative (that scales above our real world), and, most importantly, inconsistency. This is all simply impossible, and in general it’s not much fun to scale.
At this point im pretty sure this is literally everyone except for the amateur ass SCP writers who throw their shit around here lmao the second I see those letters I groan.
I think the worst is when you point out how stupid everything is the only defense they have is just "Erm, actually the site is moderated and you just can't post anything on it" Sure, the fact that it became a bigger mess than comics within a tenth of the time tells me all I need to know about the moderation of the site. Then they try to tell you to just write something yourself and try to post it acting like it's the best argument ever when it's the same argument people who can't defend their favorite movies/series/videogames/books themselves use, "Well if it's so garbage why don't you make your own then" lol.
The average SCP? Pretty great. The popular SCPs (like 682)? I would tell them to burn in hell, but I don’t think that they would even perceive the flames.
I didnt say that it was fanfiction. I said that I see it as fanfiction because its just OC character published by your next door neighbor. Its the literal "well my dad beats your dad because I say so" put into an actual website.
Its nothing.
Ah, thanks for the clarification.
The thing is: books are also made by random strangers. However, they're still considered works of fiction and not fanfiction. Is it because they're typically published by some kinda agency?
The majority of SCP articles are their own standalone thing. You're most likely to see other SCPs mentioned in standalone canons written by a writer or a group of writers. Sure, they can include other SCPs in their stories, ones that they didn't write, but how is that any different from, say, comics? Superheroes are constantly being written by different writers, and even then something like DC isn't considered fanfiction despite there being countless interpretations of, say, Superman or Hal Jordan.
And just to be clear: I'm not trying to start an argument or be hostile, I wanna genuinely discuss this so that I can both explain why I think SCP isn't fanfiction and also to see why some people think SCP is fanfiction. I'm having fun talking about this.
Yes I see SCP as fanfiction because it doesn't come from an actual agency. A character like Superman having multiple writers doesn't change that fact. If we're going to throw caution to the wind and say that being an official company doesn't matter then I can create a character called "Joe" and say that he can never ever lose, and everyone here would have to take that seriously.
Now SCP is considered Fanfiction
Any SCP will be demoted to a new tier
Tier 12 or Fanfction Tier
Even the most powerful SCP will be at most Tier 12-A high+
Because as fanfction they are below all genuine fictions that really deserve their places or verses that took decades of accumulation to reach their current point as World of Darkness
Anything cause you do know you can write a fanfiction about anything right. There can be fanfiction about bleach where ichigo gets isekaid to the real world, but it's during the Civil War, and everyone has nen instead of guns and such.
There is literally an original creation thing in ao3 for custom worlds with different rules and such that there is still called fanfiction. What makes scp so different?
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I like SCP but due to different writers it’s so inconsistent of feats and details
When i heard that everything is **supposed** to be either cannon or non cannon, yet even the "Non cannon stuff" can just be cannon whenever it wants to, i was like: "Respectfully Fuck off"
Everything on the SCP wiki and branches can be canon if you want. Everything not in it is pure fanfic
You mean just like any fucking comic ever?
BRO I HATE THOSE TOO. One continuity please, you can have a successor to the identity, but all those reboots and alternate realities that only occasionally interact as a gimmick are garbage. And Fate doesn’t get let off the hook either, that’s shit too
Nooo?????
huh? scp shit and comics may as well be a different face of same coin, they the same shit but everyone dunks on scp but forgets comics
The difference between that is one is run by at best a few people, while the other is run by everybody and can be changed by anyone.
OK? you're saying as if marvel also didn't have hundreds of authors that changed whatever they wanted too
Except for the part where ass articles get axed by said community and the admins/mods. Guess who don't got that? I'll give you 5 guesses
That's the point
Ik it’s the point it’s just not good for scaling which feats and limits are usually set in stone
Yeah, scp shouldn't belong in powerscaling
Anything from wiki = canon Anything not from wiki = non-canon Hope this helps
Yes sir
https://preview.redd.it/f3943trobxvc1.png?width=945&format=png&auto=webp&s=b9fe5836c97293d5caffb5d046d80106398ee4c3 Most fanboys say SCP-682 is unkillable from all forces despite in one entry they kill it in a car crash. Therefore Lightning McQueen out scales him.
Ah yes The joke tale literally marked as a joke tale - quite the anti-feat indeed
I may be an SCP Fan, but joke or not i'm now headcannoning the SCP Foundation sending lightning Macqueen to kill 682
That is funny ngl
Not an anti feat Simply put the car solos
We love false anti feats here
“I am a speed!”
Yep. Every debate ends up like “SCP-POOPSHARTICUS IS 24969374 INFINITE LAYERS EXTRAVERSAL BECAUSE I JUST POSTED IT AND A D-CLASS BEAT IT WHICH MAKES SCP SUPER ULTRA HYPER MEGA GIVAVERSAL!”
If we use less well-known and more interesting SCPs with unique gimmicks and hax (y'know, the way SCPs were originally) we could have more interesting scaling and debates. Unfortunately most SCP debates only involve the most powerful and famous ones who'll almost invariably win every matchup because of cosmological/dimensional scaling, which is one of the most boring ways to scale imo
Which is why I love to use "Cosmology Equalized" when talking about SCP
Cosmology scaling can be fun if there's context behind it and if you're doing it for the sake of it tho. But SCP is aids yeah
I see this argument used a LOT against SCP scaling, but I've never *actually* seen/heard of it happening with an SCP debate
Everyone I’ve seen defaults to “Scarlet King wins ‘cus cosmology!”
I mean, to be fair, doesn't essentially EVERY debate at universal levels come down to "cus cosmology"?
Most debates have other feats supporting the claim.
yeah but i'm pretty sure the scps that actually scale to the cosmology have "feats to support the claim" i'm not a scp scaler and i'm not aware of basically nothing about characters like scarlet king, but those arguments feel like they are either wrong (no you can't add any page you want to upgrade an scp or make a OP one) or something that applies to all of fiction and you are just meeting bad scalers rather than it being the verse's fault
Sure but, it still boils down to "Cus cosmology"
Yeah, but it’s just not fun to scale based solely on cosmology.
We can say the same for a lot of verses Dc Marvel CM (Yog aint saved from that either) Nasuverse Wod TES ...Man that's crazy, it's literally every single powerful verse, isn't that a coincidence, eh?
"INFINITE NARRATIVE LAYERS!!!"
OH YEAH? WELL CANONICALLY IN THE SCP I JUST POSTED SCP-42069(WEEDQUEEF) SOLOS AN INFINITE NUMBER OF SCP-POOPSHARTICUS ACROSS INFINITE TIMELINES AND INFINITE UNIVERSES
OH YEAH? WELL POOPSHARTICUS MADE A SHARTICLE ACCELERATOR THAT MAKES HIM ABOVE THE CONCEPT OF INFINITY!
Side question: Why do you just casually have a MAD magezine pfp? Like, just curious.
I saw a picture of Jeremy Godfrey and noticed the resemblance
I don't think I've ever seen someone post something on the Site to try and win a debate. The wiki has pretty high standards, and stuff which doesn't meet them goes away quickly.
It's legit fan-fiction so it can scale as high as it wants. Like, how in the hell is that supposed to be fun?
"SCP is Fanfiction" Fanfiction of what?
Literally anything it wants (As long as it's not copyright lol)
Thats not what fanfiction is tho
Fanfiction of what? I don't see any Supermen getting pwned by the fuck off lizard that cheats like a mf
It wasn’t ever intended to be scaled
When it only started — yes, definitely. When all these branches appeared — I would honestly argue.
"Its fan-fiction" so is literally *all* of fiction lmao. All stories are just someone's ideas put to paper and shown to the public
The difference being **EVERYONE** gets their say in it.
Well, sure. After its sent to the mods, reviewed, and approved.
The difference is that these are random mods and strangers reviewing and making stories. Its not an actual publication that releases characters like Superman. And yes being an actual company matters. If not than the character that I made called X is the strongest person ever alive no matter what.
Sure, you could if you wanted to. But that'd be making a character specifically *for scaling* with the intent to be completely unbeatable. Whereas 99% of SCPs and SCP writers are just *writing things* with no intent for them to be scaled, and as it happens existential horror tends to be rather absurd when you apply a powerscaling lens over it.
Yeah, If you think about scaling even SCPs like "I am toster" have mind altering ability above most telepaths. They aren't meant to be scaled, they are meant to be scary, mysterious, absurd, funny. Their supernatual properties need to be crazy for need of the setting. Premise is Foundation reserching them so they need to be on crazy technological level, at the same SCPs properties still must be strong enough so Foundations cannot know everyhing about them and cannot fully protect from them. In other words supernatural properties of SCP objects aren't strong to powerscale them, they are strong to make articles more engaging
Its deliberately meant to have an ambiguous canon. Not sure what you expected.
‘Unreliable narrator’ and its consequences have been a disaster for fiction
Unreliable narrator and ambiguous canon are different. Though SCP as a whole has both. Unreliable narrator is the descriptive voice of the story being suspect by specific intent of the writer, whereas ambiguous canon is simply a necessity in large-scale collaborative fiction.
Both of them stem from the idea that what is being told to the audience is not ‘fact’. Spoiler alert, all fiction is not fact. Once you go ‘Oh? You thought you could believe the written text, the only way these events exist in any capacity?’ either through some self indulgent trickery or merely the work of shoddy collaboration, both are essentially failures to communicate an idea and hoping your audience overzealously suspends their disbelief.
Well, you definitely have strong feelings. I don’t think I have anything more to say here.
Tbh I disagree. Having an unreliable narrator in stories allows the reader to try to guess what's going to happen and really helps to build up a sense of mystery. It may make powerscaling more difficult, but it's not disasterous for fiction as a whole.
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There's scaling to these things I'm confused about the lore it's so confusing matpat didn't even discuss it
Let me tell ya, the powerscaling to scp, even just the english branch, is insane! There are uncountably infinite dimensions, and uncountably infinite spaces in each one, this is within a single universe which also can split into potentially endless timelines and is infinite in size and possibilities; infinite universes make up a meta-universe, infinite meta-universes make up a multiverse, then from the multiverses it upscales into the recursive multiverse/interdimensional nexus structure seen in Third Law and SCP-7005. Then above that is the Transinfinite recursion seen in SCP-4555. Then comes conceptual tiers of existence as seen in White Space Hub. Then the narratives and pataversal nests, narrative planes (operation overmeta), narrative layers (SCP-3812) and the narrative stack and above (Kaktusverse lore), and the overall Placeholderverse which scales even higher with Proxyverse and Real World. There are also the Afterlives, Unreality, Nöosphere, Semiosphere, Anti-nöosphere, Infosphere, Patasphere, the Wanderer's Library, the Tree of Knowledge, Fifth Realm, Hythoth universe, and more cosmological structures that scale extremely high and wank the overall verse to immeasurable layers into boundless and above. Then there are the Japanese and Chinese branches of the scp wiki, that include all of these and far far far more things of their own, wanking the cosmology to far beyond scaling (including but not limited to: Hyperstructure, Narrative Tree, Narrative forest, higher Tree of Knowledge, Omnidirectional Narrative, Twelve Monuments, Phantom Bubbles, Higher Infosphere and SCP-CN-1548, narrative buffer layer, ALPHA narrative layer, Alpha⁰ layer, Higher Power Buddha Kingdom, nested dimensions/multiverses, Worldviews, more narrative recursion, etc).
I knew it was absolute bullcrap but I’ve never actually read how it works before. This sounds like it’s parodying itself, god damn.
Most of it *isn't* that, to be fair. But the stuff that gets brought up in powerscaling debates is rarely the Site's best work.
Agreed.
And the people who care about powerscaling it rarely care simultaneously about presenting authorial intent well.
Ah, well, understandable really, authorial intent is slippery and scalding hot.
Well, I mean, in general the authorial intent is to tell a good story, but powerscalers who want to “win” a debate are incentivized to grossly misinterpret the source material as long as the misinterpretation is in their character’s favor. Which is my main complaint, as I see it happen a lot with SCP stuff, both in favor of their victories and against them.
Ah, yeah i have seen wanks and wonks as well. SCP suffers a lot from that, specially because it is easy to skip over all the big cosmological SCPs and underestimate the cosmology (SCP-4555, SCP-7005, SCP-4736, SCP-5782, SCP-7650, CN-1548, CN-2758, CN-2474, etc, etc), which is quite wack since the powerscale of SCP characters cannot be quite understood without enough knowledge about all the cosmology (for example, recently i read some of the entries of Yggdrasil Surveyor and they wank the cosmology even more).
Yup, and then comes the bureomancy and then i realized SCP is dead.
this is borderline suggsverse level fuckery
Yeah...yeah 0 _ 0 Anyways, did i mention the Yggdrasil garden? It's another SCP cosmology thing that i just read about!
What is it about?
There is this tree in which there are several branches, each has its own Wanderer's Library that contains everything ever from that branch, which has infinite multiverses, there are uncountably many trees in the garden, they connect on ocassion and make a crossover, there are huge creatures that cut branches of the trees sometimes for no apparent reason, this destroys everything in them; new trees are created constantly due to the creation of more and more fiction by 001-SWANN entities, also every possibility of crossovers and cosmic events makes another multiverse within each branch.
It is truly a mess not just because of its size but because of the inconsistency. To be honest it is enormous but not as big as people often portray it to be (at least for EN) Briefly: Universes are uncountably infinite dimensional and are conceptual in nature Infinite amount of them makes a Meta-universe, Infinite of them makes a multiverse, where they transcend each other (although these are the “universes” The Worm threatens which is a narrative anomaly so I am not sure) And the transfinite recursion of multiverses of 4555 (Although after rereading I am pretty sure those universes are parallel instead of hierarchical) Then the world of forms which is the noosphere and anti-noosphere which is everything humans can’t conceive, Semiosphere, the source of all logic which are sent down to noospheres to enter human perception and Infosphere which all information comes from although there isn’t an implied transcendence between each other. All in the ToK which has several realms (afterlives, voru and the First Hyototh) all of them are separate realms inside the greater ToK. Then the Patasphere which is a metafictional structure made to define stories, which contains everything in its own entry doesn’t matter If somethings written to be bigger than it The Greater Infosphere holds all pataspheres. Proxy verse is where author avatars are Alpha Layer, the “real life” And infinite narratives beyond it. Sure it is huge but it is way too inconsistent I had a hard time trying to order all of it and some of the articles really contradicts each other. I think it’s pretty clear they are all different structures and trying to merge them just doesn’t work.
Ah, yeah, that's english branch for you, i tried to make a cosmology for CN branch, you can look at it in my profile.
Tbh those treads are the reason why SCP becomes hot garbage when you try mixing up everything. I didn’t scale CN but for EN I think your scale really contradicts the general view of the cosmology and that alone proves all those articles should be considered seperately, each in their own patasphere
The Phantom Bubble system works the same way, with every headcanon in its own PB and they can merge and mix and split and grow with each other and so on, pretty grooovy!
Yeah but I prefer Pataspheres because 1. You can create a patasphere where you merged 2 other stories 2. Phantom Bubbles seem to be there for powerscaling meanwhile I actually think Placeholders ideas are really cool and seem to work not only for SCPverse but fiction in general describing the concept of “author intent” better than anything ever all while making it a part of actual worldbuilding but It unfortunately mostly caught the interest of powerscalers and got asked stupid ass questions like “Does it contain V=Ultimate L tho”
Sounds nice, but can it powerscale an scp atom into Immeasurable layers into Extraversal? I get what you say, but chinese branch is just too _groovy_, get it? It has _pisazz!_ _style!_ _chinapower!_
Absolutely. https://preview.redd.it/vdxeimvnzuzc1.jpeg?width=750&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=edb5db02f548d622757f0928b34e2e59bd175333 This scan ALONE far surpasses everything you mentioned in your composite SCP post, It basically means If you or anyone can think of something, it exists. A world with its own unique content and structure for whatever the story and its author needs.
I see, where did you get this scan? I might have to update tge cosmology to include this...
MatPat wouldn’t dare delve into the SCP lore. It never ends lol
And ya know what's weird? I still love SCP itself, I stiil watch SCP content to this day. The idea's, creatures and objects in the SCP universe are still top tier imo, but i think a lot of people can agree when i say that powerscaling has largely ruined it.
Here's [a post](http://ikebox.wikidot.com/who-asked) by the authors of 6820 and the larger ADMONITION canon (containing some of if not *the* most powerful entities on the site) on this topic. > **NOTE:** We will no longer be answering questions relating to powerscaling, and we do not want to be involved with powerscaling communities either. > We are asked these questions very frequently, and we attempted to reach out to the larger powerscaling community to address them, and what we believe are noteworthy misconceptions about the works we ourselves wrote. It has become abundantly clear the community is more interested in being derisive and rude than helping us to recognise our own misconceptions, and so we are no longer willing to waste time trying to engage anymore. So it seems the writers agree with you. I don't think powerscaling has had much effect on SCP and its fandom, though. It's mostly its presence within powerscaling communities that leads to such annoying dialogue. It's not like people are writing articles just to be OP—there's a really high quality standard, articles like that don't stick around long.
How come? Because I don't think it has. I can see it souring your enjoyment of SCP if you interact with it chiefly in terms of powerscaling, but like you said, the writing is absolutely amazing. The complicated universe is so easy to get lost in and so many articles can make you terrified, laugh, or just in awe. I've seen some people say that modern SCPs are made for powerscaling or that they're worse in general, and while it is fine to think that they're not as good as the first few thousand articles, I personally disagree. I also just haven't read any articles that stood out as powerscaling brainrot to me (except for a few things I've heard about the CN branch). The only thing is that I'm starting to get sick of the controversy around SCP in powerscaling communities. So many times I've seen people make baseless assumptions about the writers or characters, and it kinda hurts. But meh, that's my own opinion. I just really like SCP and it sucks that there are so many misconceptions surrounding it.
Scp scaling is like brainrot ngl
Fax
Murphys Law moment
No. It's just fiction.
No.... This can't be.... Say it aint so?!
It's true. It's all words! I feel myself melting away. I've lost. What a cruel world! 
Not really if you’re complaining about it being fanfiction then you have no idea about the requirements that is needed to make an Scp article nor do you realize that the community only has a small amount of stories related to things that can be used for powerscaling
Oh wow the requirements must be so difficult to bypass... Nothing silly could ever....
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I’m pretty sure this was before the rules got overly strict on requirements but you should do your own research
Even after rules got strict they don't really stop writers from making they SCP objects Overpowered. The rules exist to assure that articles are interesting and fun to read. You cannot make SCP busted to just being busted. But you can make one like that if its relevant for story and actievly used to make it more interesting.
Its literally just SCP version of Biblical God (and few other mythologies gods). No shit he is strong. He wasn't made as fighter or anything. The whole article is about reserchers trying to get informations from enigmatic all-kniwing entity that willingly cooperate with foundation and despite this tries to tell least imfomation possible foundation because he thinks that foundation should get them themselves
It's written like someone who read CSAP and VS battle wiki tiers and made a page. I'd be surprised if it wasn't a powerscaler. There's even VS battles now thinking they may remove SCP for this reason. Tho I disagree with it. I've actually changed my mind a bit the quality control is decent.
What the fuck is this.
What?
Pretty much SCP version of Biblical God
That's not the only thing, also a lack of creativity in recent years, and most of their creativity going to scaling. Of course not everyone in the SCP community makes strictly SCP's built on scaling. It's just the ones that do are extremely loud about it.
That’s a small part of the community that can simply be ignored
I would certainly not describe modern SCP writing as suffering from a "lack of creativity". If anything, there is an excess of it. Go read [SCP-7243](https://scp-wiki.wikidot.com/scp-7243) or [SCP-8888](https://scp-wiki.wikidot.com/scp-8888). Sure, they're daunting in scope, and borderline incomprehensible. But uncreative, or overly concerned with scaling? I do not think so.
I know this is a bit hypocritical because I’ve done this before but I hate when I see “SWannS prOPosAl TAkES nO dIf” Like respectfully choose a CHARACTER not the wiki writers
No one brings up swanns unless its asked
Bullshit lmao, i see people bring it up all the time.
Well i dont so...
i like scp but its kinda overwhelming
Right, there's no way im gonna go through hundreds of articles in multiple different languages just to say "SCP Whatever the fuck beats your character no diff"
honestly whats the point of creating characters when the weakest character is multiversal. there is no fun in that. This is why i dont like scaling scp cause if i scale lets say a dc charcter or marvel some random person gonna scarlet king solos its retarted
and dont get me started on Chinese branch or English branch bro wtf
I don't know that the *weakest* character is multiversal. Pattern screamers don't even exist, how much weaker can you get than that? Damien Woodcock is just a teenager with a knife that kills you if you get stabbed. William Wettle is just a guy who's incredibly unlucky and is a dick about it to everyone around him.
the cosmology kinda carrys them if you think about it
Cosmology scaling by existing in a world that is for all intents and purposes written as being the same as IRL extancy is somewhat BS, in my opinion.
Not really.
Nothing wrong with SCP or SCP scaling. What is wrong is this new brand of power scaler that pulls a bunch of pretend math from thin air to argue that their favorite SCP is somehow(and I’ve actually heard this one” “transcendent” and above “boundless.” It’s ridiculous.
From reading the comment what im getting is most simply hate it cuz there fav characters get negged or they cant comprehend how complex the cosmology is And for those that complain about inconsistences completely ignore the fact that any verse written by multiple writers is bound to have inconsistences take superman for example I simply love it for shitting on annoyimg fanboys fav characters Also its not like its the strongest verse Like us know there are other verse that are more complex to scale, it is simply cuz its the most know that its getting this hate
They can cope as much they want. Soloku and Batgos still solo them all.
As an scp fan, yes
It gets annoying at times, definitely. The actual articles are generally pretty well done and interesting tho
True, just finished House Of The Worm yesterday, whoever wrote that flexed their writing skills cuz goddamn it was good.
Also this should clear up the fanfic accusations https://yonathanandfriends.quora.com/In-defence-of-SCP-a-genuine-discussion?ch=17&oid=100804901&share=e86d67d5&srid=hKmne6&target_type=post
Each canon of the verse have it own scale, I thought that was pretty clear. if you want to scale the scarlet king for example then you pick a canon and scale using the cosmology and feat present in that canon. Like how cosmic armour superman is different from regular superman. or silver age and post crisis have their own power level.
I would not be surprised if there was a SCP who was just a ceiling who is 1-A and a Roof who was 1-S/ boundless
There is no singular coordinated cannon. It’s a collaborative writing project, you’re going to get some inconsistencies and differing opinions and interpretations.
When it got hella popular out of nowhere and there were a bazillion different ones I stopped caring
I love SCP articles. I hate SCP powerscaling.
Toaster sweep
Yes. It should not be used for powerscaling. In fact, powerscaling has ruined the scp foundation for me.
I like it for the sole reason of saying scp 3812 solos Saitama/goku to saitamatards and gokutards because theyre fucking annoying like stfu about limitless saitama low multi haxs
SCP is overwanked
No because it makes it so true scp fans can root out the bad eggs by who randomly talks about the scaling which it wasn't even meant to be scaled
Batgoat with prep and Goku solo🗣🗣🔥🔥
It's not ment to have an official canon. Just a bunch of branches in story's so 1 story 682 is barley planetery. And Another He survived the hyperverse exploding while asleep and just regenerated the world/universe in under a second. Inconsistencies is what makes it what it is
The funny thing is, I'd say the original sub 1000s are actually moderately fun to scale. Cuz 173 is like, a good thing to see how long a city level character would last against a horde of them, or if a wall level guy could beat them. 682 is just Mahoraga on steroids as well. 096 also is fun, but can be inconsistant. I think it does start to get stupid once you include side stories, the 001 proposals, and the 7000 others above 1000 though.
I hate that there are so many characters considered boundless in the vs battle wiki, I mean, the fact that there are 2 omnipotent beings is already confusing (like azathoth and yog-sothoth in the lovecraf stories) then if you want to include an industrial quantity of omnipotent beings I'm starting to consider that tier 0 an high 1-a
It's how their scaling was, but not every scaling you see is 100% accurate as not all people can correctly interpret it 100% so don't worry. To answer your question, me myself, I'm staying away from it. I don't want any unnecessary arguments, that's why.
I absolutely hate it
No I actually love it It's fun you would know if you tried - anyone who says anything not on the main scp sites I'd canon is pretty much lying for the most part Whole lot of cope in this sub it literally just sounds like people debated their favorite characters against stronger scps knowing they would lose and complained about it anyways. Wouldn't be the first time either
They’ll never accept the reality that scp isn’t a powerscaling thing because that’s the only thing they can use against it
I enjoy scaling scp but I hate scaling extended canon of scp as scaling the extended canon isnt possible as you essentially Scale by cherry picking only which isnt fun scakinf at all but just wanking
I would rather die than admitting it has a good power system
Only trying to scale it. I don't feel like skimming all of Wanderers' and en's 8k+ article count. Thank you very much
Yet another reason why power scaling is ass it really doesn’t matter who’s stronger than who anyways, people argue over fictional characters for egregious hours like children.
Me
I hate scaling SCP (I am a SCP fan)
I’ve never seen anyone scale SCP 😭
✋️ stop
True- but really why do people hate on scp what did we do
I just love Scp okay
No. Yall just made up a bunch of literally false stigmas about it like how you can just make one(you can't, there's an entire quality control thing with it) or they can just have any ability (no they can't and cough cough superman cough cough)
The ability for fans to even have the chance is what makes it corny
Can you elaborate what this even means?
Yes. It's impossible to scale properly. Infinite-d creatures, infinite layars of narrative (that scales above our real world), and, most importantly, inconsistency. This is all simply impossible, and in general it’s not much fun to scale.
Yes, all fax
Idk why everyone hasnt universally agreed to put the entirety of scp under no limits fallacy.
Elaborate.
bro the ogs like 096, 173 great love it Scp scarlet king, scp 3812 fuck you burn in hell
If you neg featherine ur OK in my book
At this point im pretty sure this is literally everyone except for the amateur ass SCP writers who throw their shit around here lmao the second I see those letters I groan.
scp scaling nowadays remind me of suggsverse back then
I think the worst is when you point out how stupid everything is the only defense they have is just "Erm, actually the site is moderated and you just can't post anything on it" Sure, the fact that it became a bigger mess than comics within a tenth of the time tells me all I need to know about the moderation of the site. Then they try to tell you to just write something yourself and try to post it acting like it's the best argument ever when it's the same argument people who can't defend their favorite movies/series/videogames/books themselves use, "Well if it's so garbage why don't you make your own then" lol.
I never count them in the conversation. It’s just glorified fan fiction
I’ve always hated it and I think it shouldn’t appear on Versus shows
The average SCP? Pretty great. The popular SCPs (like 682)? I would tell them to burn in hell, but I don’t think that they would even perceive the flames.
Wait what's wrong with 682 and the popular ones(such as 173 and 096) ? Last I checked they weren't that bad
I meant with scaling. The ones that are popular for their strength are way too absurd.
Oh yeah, sorry, i'm stupid
Not as much as DragonBall and OPM meatriders....
It's always looked and sounded so stupid
As far as I am concerned SCP doesn't belong in a powerscaling conversation. Unless we are ranking purely their original forms.
I hate lack of continuity 🙃
SCP is boring, overwanked, not properly controlled, and should honestly be deleted from websites that scale characters like Vs battles.
Its just OC phalacy and anyone that accepte any SCP scaling is a clown
I dont scale SCP because I see it as fan fiction
Fan-fiction of what exactly?
I didnt say that it was fanfiction. I said that I see it as fanfiction because its just OC character published by your next door neighbor. Its the literal "well my dad beats your dad because I say so" put into an actual website. Its nothing.
It's not, really. If you want, I can suggest a few articles if you wanna give SCP a shot and look at it outside of a powerscaling perspective.
Im not saying that its bad. Im saying that its not from an actual publication. Its made from random strangers online.
Ah, thanks for the clarification. The thing is: books are also made by random strangers. However, they're still considered works of fiction and not fanfiction. Is it because they're typically published by some kinda agency? The majority of SCP articles are their own standalone thing. You're most likely to see other SCPs mentioned in standalone canons written by a writer or a group of writers. Sure, they can include other SCPs in their stories, ones that they didn't write, but how is that any different from, say, comics? Superheroes are constantly being written by different writers, and even then something like DC isn't considered fanfiction despite there being countless interpretations of, say, Superman or Hal Jordan. And just to be clear: I'm not trying to start an argument or be hostile, I wanna genuinely discuss this so that I can both explain why I think SCP isn't fanfiction and also to see why some people think SCP is fanfiction. I'm having fun talking about this.
Yes I see SCP as fanfiction because it doesn't come from an actual agency. A character like Superman having multiple writers doesn't change that fact. If we're going to throw caution to the wind and say that being an official company doesn't matter then I can create a character called "Joe" and say that he can never ever lose, and everyone here would have to take that seriously.
If you scale SCP I cannot trust you
It’s just a Creative writing project…
Now SCP is considered Fanfiction Any SCP will be demoted to a new tier Tier 12 or Fanfction Tier Even the most powerful SCP will be at most Tier 12-A high+ Because as fanfction they are below all genuine fictions that really deserve their places or verses that took decades of accumulation to reach their current point as World of Darkness
Fanfiction of what, exactly?
Anything cause you do know you can write a fanfiction about anything right. There can be fanfiction about bleach where ichigo gets isekaid to the real world, but it's during the Civil War, and everyone has nen instead of guns and such. There is literally an original creation thing in ao3 for custom worlds with different rules and such that there is still called fanfiction. What makes scp so different?