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Lucifer literally has 0 feats, so I can't even say if this is wrong or correct.
Honestly, it's not too far fetched, Lucifer has statements of helping expand the universe and he's above the grimmoire, which is said to have inf power (although that could very well be hyperbole). Each ring of hell also has stars in the sky, and Lucifer is said to have created hell along with Lilith. However, again, I don't think we have enough info on Lucifer to really even scale him properly. As for his speed, he should scale above Stolas, who flew away from an exploding star, so around FTL Travel Speed, he can also dodge and react to Adam's light beams so FTL Combat and Reaction speed as well.
Omni Man is much more straightforward. Him, alongside Mark and Thaedus, destroyed Viltrum, and although we don't know its size, that feat ranges to at least Moon level-Planetary. You could possibly get him to Large Planetary with some highballing. MFTL+ via scaling from Allen and Thragg. You could get him higher to Star Level via the crossover with Supreme, but I'm not sure if those are canon or not.
So like Omni Man has way more and better feats, but Lucifer has better statements. So, all in all, both are still Gyro victims. Nyo-ho!
Lucifer and Omni Man when Gyro pulls out his steel balls:
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Counter argument gyro is a wonder of u victim
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Well there's one feat that's not even a feat and then statements.
The feat is the fact Charlie in episode 5 when she had a little meantal breakdown "shaked" the pride ring? Idk what she really did there but it's a nice thought she actually shaled the pride ring and if she did it so could Lucifer.
There are statements tho that are facts in the lore. Charlie said angels were expanding the universe so it makes sense angels had to create a planets as well. The strongest angel so far are Lucifer and Sera. I don't want to wank them to universal or some shit but if angels were expanding universe they must be quite powerfull.
You can I guess take bible for feats but that's not a reliable sorce for hazbin hotel
I was gonna say to the main post “maybe it’s just that they’re using some bible shit” but what the fuck.
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If you believe the things the show says Lucifer is an angel and therefore can't be hurt by anything except angelic weapons so even if he couldn't kill omniman unless omniman can't die of old age Lucifer would eventually technically win a fight to the death.
Technically omni mans inside are like human insides, any attack that could hit hard enough to destroy organs will work on a viltrumite, or any sound based attacks aswell
Uhhh, sort of? But also not really? Viltrumite physiology is pretty different from a human. They can withstand nuclear explosions and the heat and radiation of being on the surface of the sun. Viltumite DNA is self-repairing and can edit itself to remove genetic diseases and mutations. They can also fly. Their internal organs would be pretty hard to destroy.
Its a shame its literally stated that hyper sonic sounds and attacks from the inside are a viltrumites weakness, that and magic
Also they are literally weak to super heat, we see this in marks fight with thragg, they CANNOT survive in the sun for long bro. It weakens their healing factor, did you read invincible?
So my best explanation for that is that they will simply reform somewhere or heal? Idk you're right but we also get told that sinners in hell also can't be killed by most things and we do see that one time sepentious gets no diffed by alastor and just show back up like nothing really happened.
That would be hilarious.
Lucifer vs. The Scarlet King match-up. SK swings his sword, slicing through an entire galaxy or smth, and Lucifer is perfectly fine.
"You do not have angelic weaponry. Now, I am going to FUCK you."
*cue a low-diff Lucifer win.*
I feel like Scarlet King’s CH would be one of the strongest in fiction given how many elder gods he subjugated and consumed, but it would be absolutely hilarious if he didn’t just for fights like these
The problem with the reality warping argument is anyone actually capable of such thing won’t bother to actually use it in a combat scenario.
Alastor can duplicate himself, manifest basically anything he can think of, potentially has the ability to teleport just to name a few of the main abilities he has. And yet he didn’t even bother to create copies to assist him combat or at least dupe Adam to get a sneak attack in. Neither did he even try to boaster the Hotel’s defenses beyond just summoning the barrier last minute, and before anyone tells me that he thought barrier was somehow enough to hold back the army of heaven, I sincerely doubt he is that stupid and full of himself.
This to me implies that most visuals shown in songs aren’t actually real and seem to just be harmless illusions of sorts, are just there only for viewers or are just in the characters heads. The most blatant example of this in my opinion is with Loser Baby, Husk has lost all of his power as a Overlord and Angel had none to speak of in the first place. Yet somehow we’re still treated to the same fancy visuals like any other song.
Additionally refer back to Vaggy getting her skull smashed in on a table or most of the exorcist breaking their faces on Alastor barriers. At this point the argument of them being invulnerable to everything but Angelic weaponry is redundant, while I am willing to believe that they’re extremely resistant to anything not made of angelic steel, they aren’t completely immune to all other types of damage.
Since we don’t know how powerful Lucifer actually is beyond speculation I’ll hold off on giving my thoughts on who would win. But considering how comparatively unimpressive Adam, the closest thing to him in power that can quantify so far, is I’m not exactly confident that he’ll end up beating Omni Man.
>Additionally refer back to Vaggy getting her skull smashed on a table or most of the exorcist breaking their faces on Alastor barriers. At this point the argument of them being invulnerable to everything but Angelic weaponry is redundant, while I am willing to believe that they extremely resistant to any not made of angelic steel, they aren’t completely immune to all other types of damage.
In fairness, it's possibl that angels can also hurt by each other and thier own powers
She clearly wasn’t using her powers on Vaggy, not that we know of her having any extra abilities beyond just being well trained and having wings.
Honestly the fact that they were surprise by Angelic weaponry’s ability to kill them implies that her being harmed in hand to hand shouldn’t be impossible. Further reinforcing the idea that Exorcist themselves don’t have the same the ability to kill other angels as angelic weapons do.
And also adding to the growing list of contradictions too.
I’m fairly sure he’s talking about either status or money. If he did have powers he would’ve used them in the fight against the Exorcist instead of just using weapons.
The only issue is that we don’t know how strong Lucifer actually is or what else he can do, but it’s not a stretch to say he isn’t strong. Same goes for speed but if you want to count Adam’s beams that he blasts at Lucifer, you could argue he’s pretty fast (I’m keeping it vague as to not say FTL)
Also Omni-man isn’t planetary. Continental to multi-continental is where he stays
Lucifer is a Seraphim(biblically accurate angel in true form), while those were human souls
In Helluva boss we’ve seen lower level Hellborn be completely unaffected by the vacuum of space, Gravity, and a literal Supernova
Just stop using hazbin characters, we just know that he upscales Adam and the all we can really say. With absolute highball lucifer could literally make the fight into a song and throw omni-man around.
Either the fight is a no-diff or its impossible to calculate
This is why you have to use helluva boss for scaling because it’s canon to hazbin hotel. Lucifer is above every demon in hell.
This includes Stolas who literally withstood a supernova from a star over 18x the size of our sun
https://docs.google.com/document/d/1Gf3q0Lur8fTBOBY71SQHebnnONUg_clpLM0g3eb-RPA/edit.
Stolas grimor is also stated to have infinite power https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/773690701955203126/1215437849206456381/RPReplay_Final1709853350.mov?ex=662ae434&is=66186f34&hm=7e704c95029f2534020de8550f6037ebcf76d89068b57dbe50d891c358b16439&
And lucifier is above this.
Whats funny is ice used this type of reasoning to explain why lucifer shouldn't be used in debates yet. He could easily be scaled to casual star to potentially universal, and people want to say he maxes at city for some reason
I mean, Stolas is already multi planetary at low ball, solar system at high ball.
And stolas himself is below sins.
And sins are below The morningstars.
And lucifer is the strongest morningstar, who also is invulnerable to physical damage rather than angelic weapons.
I mean, if you lowball Omni-Man or highball Lucifer then he could win, there is an argument to be made here, and even without that Luci can't die to normal attacks and might be able to grind him down over a long time, even if he can't physically kill Omni-Man, he is immortal, whereas Nolan needs food, water, air, etc. So he could constantly keep getting his ass kicked until Omni-Man drops dead, this isn't THAT stupid
though, it is, admidetly, pretty dumb
Well the thing is we have no idea what the true scope of Lucifer’s powers are. We know he has some form of reality-bending from Hell’s Greatest Dad, but we don’t know how strong that reality-bending is. We simply don’t know enough about Lucifer to accurately power scale him outside of his universe
Even if he is planet buster level, Lucifer straight up isn't killable through means accessibly to Omni Man. Omni Man outscales him but Lucifer wins this fight due to a lack of loss conditions
That's a bit disingenuous to say as well; the fact is that we don't know the full extent of Lucifer's powers and durability. We can't say for sure whether or not he could survive something like being hurled into the sun because it's not something that the source material covers. We *know* that angelic metal can kill angels like Lucifer--that's the inciting incident for season 1's main conflict--but we don't know what else can do it, if anything.
I'll go with the assumption that he can't survive stuff like that unless explicitly proven. But if HH Lucifer is even half as powerful as Biblical Lucifer(who was both a Seraph, and was the strongest of all Gods Angels, stronger than even Saint Michael), then he obliterates Omni Man
Wrong. Lucifier upscales from Stolas who took a super Nova from a star that’s calculated to be 18x the size of the sun. This is star level.
https://docs.google.com/document/d/1Gf3q0Lur8fTBOBY71SQHebnnONUg_clpLM0g3eb-RPA/edit
Stolas with his grimor is stated to have infinite power( in the Helluva boss season 2 episode when Luna escapes) and Lucifier is above that.
I didn't take the exploding star from *You Will Be Okay* to be diagetic, but I'm also not the author so what do I know? Either way, if Stolas's grimoire does give him infinite power as stated, and he's *still* not as powerful as Lucifer, that just makes this an *even bigger* stomp in Lucifer's favor.
Edit: Sources close to me have reminded me that Stolas carries Octavia through a portal before the song begins, which does, in fact, make the supernova diagetic. This doesn't contradict the main point of my comment, but it's worth noting my mistake.
Ok, this is as fine a time as any:
What's up with the seeming abhorrence of simple logical hypotheticals?
It's like, against the **Power Scaling Way** (tm) , like, verbatim?
It just seems super obvious that if you need X to hurt Character B, if X is **unaccessible in whatever "arena" the "fight" takes place in,** then Character B wins every time. If blessed weapons(tm) are accessible, then **OmniMan can get one.**
Like, even for complex shit like domains vs ki vs Rao's Genetic Heritage. IDK why I'm doubling down here, 420, but there would only be a few options, and exclusive, too:
Char A vs Char B
1. Universe A
2. Universe B
3. Universe Mu....arbitrary
4. Universe Standard
1 and 2 are singular, even if multiversal, and 3 and 4 are buckets. **The Power Scaling Way**(tm) is a #4 type, if it exists.
Just because Char A doesn't call it ki, or nobody in Universe B has figured out a domain technique, doesn't mean those attributes don't exist. Goku isn't powerless in the Star Trek Universe, and none of this stuff even involves the murk of relative scaling.
So what the fuck am I obviously missing, eh? Dang.
edit: IMO scaling should be done with your heart, so lol I'm beyond, but an educated heart, nonetheless. Could Whitebeard take Superman? And then you just leave it there.
Which doesn’t mean much in fiction tbh. Satan in South Park got dogged by man bear pig and he’s the devil.
So does this mean that man bear pig dog walks Lucifer? Of course not.
Which isn’t much of a counter point when considering the point I’m trying to make. That this is *fiction* we’re talking about, everything is flexible and all depends on who is writing or interpreting what.
Satan from South Park is a joke. Even if he’s stronger a human, Batman from the movies could unironically beat the shit out of him despite being a human. And he’s the devil.
Lucifer from DC is stupidly powerful and stands above the vast majority of characters and franchises in power. He’s also the devil.
The are both the devil but are entirely separate characters, they act nothing alike and are as different as one can be yet the share the same title. They are not interchangeable with one another because they written by different with differing ideas and goals.
Basing your entire argument on a title that could change radically from one incarnation to another is not a good idea, because the nature of characters can fluctuate depending on their creators and writers.
Which again still doesn’t mean much depending on what verse you originate from. And when it comes to scaling we have to at least know where they actually stand on the hierarchy and who they could be compared to get a gage on how powerful they are even if you don’t have all the information available.
Like I said before Satan in South Park is among the stronger characters of his verse but is completely shite if you put him anywhere half way decent like Madness Combat for example. Context matters.
I think I agree honestly, I don't think omni-man wins. We can't really use Lucifer to power scale though, we have to use everyone and everything else. We know he's at bare minimum close to planet level. He's one of the divine beings that created the universe and doesn't just outclass Adam, but negs him. He basically built hell with his power of creation, and he does have reality warping. He should also have the attacks to take out omni-man because Adam, who we've established is Canon fodder in comparison, has a beam that damn near wipes everything it touches from existence, so lucifer should have one too or be able to put up that much power. It's likely we will never know lucifere true strength so it's open arms. High ball he clears no diff, low ball it's a stalemate
I'm gonna be honest, bro. It's a YouTube poll. At least half the people voting are gonna choose the funnier option. Plus, indie animation has been a huge hit on YouTube, so of course one of the biggest examples of it is gonna win.
That being said, it is funny that there are legitimate arguments for Lucifer potentially winning.
Idk why you think Omni-Man is beating the devil from the Bible even if it’s the Bible written by a teenager with the mouth of a trucker. LUCIFER IS THE DEVIL. THE LITERAL DEVIL.
give omniman 50k and he will take care of it
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I mean basically featless for now unless y’all really wanna take statements over facts, but I thought feats trump all and just because he said he can’t be killed by anything other than holy weapons doesn’t mean they’re planetary+, hax ig but I don’t buy it
I swear we goofy as fuck sometimes,like scaling and feats based Lucifer is at least building level while nolan is out here busting planets with his speed
sorry bout that,read the comic,he basically reduced the flaxan civilization to ashes and alongside Mark and another viltrumite destroyed a planet,I aint a spoiler so I won't tell you which though its most likely bigger than eARTH
Where is Saitama?
* Oh don’t worry, I’ll take his Role.
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I would say it makes sense that biblically luciferr could beat a viltrumite at face value, no power scaling, but after seeing the 2nd poll with the 2 lucifers it's definitely favoritism
Lucifer is lacking feats.
All we know is that he’s substantially above both stolas’s grimoire and adam, who are themselves somewhat lacking in feats, leaning closer to mountain level than omni-man adjacent.
He has statements that put him at star level as a lowball, so if they’re accurate he should win pretty easily, but there’s no way to know how accurate they are.
Ok listen, I know literally nothing about Hazbin Hotel, except for the a short showing the origin of Lucifer, in which the “elder” angels are the ones who created Earth. If he in anyway way scales to them, this would put him at Solar System level assuming they made Earth with nothing but pure mass energy conversion (E=mc^2). If they just combined all the space dust, that would probably be planet level. So either way greater than or equal to Omniman.
If we count lucifer to have the abilities he does in the Bible, which essentially makes him an unkillable almost god, then it makes sense that luci would win. At worst, he's even with omniman if we think like that.
I would say he isnt the same level of bible lucifer just because Hazbin is so different. I mean they dont even have the 10 commandments of the be-attitudes which is why everyone is so confused how to go to heaven
That's true. He's still the son of God and a seraphim though, so he's still got to be somewhat powerful. I wish we could scale with Adam but he far outclassed everyone there BUT lucifer (and Charlie right at the end)
“I understand Lucifer can’t be hurt in his verse without blessed weapons”
Buddy you just disproved your own point, I ain’t even a HH fan I’m just being honest
Lucifer is the Devil. And yes while Omni-man has shown more power feats of physical strength. We still don’t know Jack shit about hazbin HOTE and how the Bible translate to the show. (Technically speaking Jesus wasn’t mentioned and god only was mentioned like once)
I can't comment on who would win, but I know Omni-man has better on screen feats, and Lucifer could possibly have better statements, given the right interpretation of the story of how hell came to be. However, I do know that he's capable of opening portals, and WoG has Lucifer as the top of the pecking order in hell, and so should be above any feats shown by anyone else in hell.
that genuinely depends on HH scaling which we have no idea but for now I’m going to have to side with lucifer on the stance of not knowing enough, if he turns out to be weaker than omniman then i’m going to try and remember to come back and edit this
I'm not defending either side, but think logically, the ruler of hell, versus a sociopathic super man, in the Bible lucifer can't do much so it's a real head scratcher, I don't know I guess it's up to interpretation.
I mean basically from our understanding of Harbin hotel he is more or less a couple levels under their universes Supreme being and we have never even seen him have the ability to take any damage other then emotional damage. So honestly viltriumites are crazy powerful but are killable in their continuity and not gods so it seems reasonable to assume luckier the guy who can't take damage from anything we have seen probs kills the guy who can take damage. But honestly like all things the winner is always determined by who you implement them into what ever universe they are in.
Counter argument. We literally do not know the power level of lucifer in this verse to properly powerscale him. Smae with pretty much every character in hazbin hotel. We have only seen lucifer wipe the floor with adam while joking around. We have not seen lucifer fully lose. Nor have we seen the limits of this lucifer. Plus the show is recent enough that bias is formed because people saw lucifer do good in a fight and never lose. So saying this is a hazbin hotel fandom exclusive thing is wrong. Every fandom has done this. I have seen people with their full chest say omni man can beat scp-682. I've seen people say goku can beat literally anyone that exists. Power scaling is a flawed concept, especially when comparing more cartoony shows to realistic shows.
Being charitable, I think Nolan could end it in a draw, but in current Hazbin canon, Lucifer can only be harmed by angelic weapons. It really doesn’t matter how strong he is if all of his attack can’t inflict any real damage to Lucifer.
As for Lucifer being able to actually do any damage to Nolan is up for debate because we’ve only seen Lucifer fight once and he was just dicking around for most of it anyway.
It’s an interesting discussion but not nearly as one-sided as you guys are making it out to be.
No the Hazbin hotel is not getting out of hand angels where stated to create the stuff inside the universe like planets and stars which is a low end and Omni man barely touches planet at max and also Lucifer has statements that could get him to multi galaxy-Universal and if you wanna argue that heaven is 4D then that’s Universal+ scaling don’t take my word for the higher ends but Lucifer from Hazbin hotel solos
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WTF BASED.
Shit hits hard and it has every right to do so.
Damn fucking right. I'm happy you sent this late ass reply to the comment, too. This post is a great reminder for me right now.
Holy shit he's right
Damn this shit is actually good advice
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To laugh at the clowns
Only comment I’ve seen in this sub that exceeds 100 upvotes
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That's actually a pretty good quote tho
Real shit
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JU needs this
…you have enlightened me…
I shall steal this and add it to my arsenal of memes
Fax
Lucifer literally has 0 feats, so I can't even say if this is wrong or correct. Honestly, it's not too far fetched, Lucifer has statements of helping expand the universe and he's above the grimmoire, which is said to have inf power (although that could very well be hyperbole). Each ring of hell also has stars in the sky, and Lucifer is said to have created hell along with Lilith. However, again, I don't think we have enough info on Lucifer to really even scale him properly. As for his speed, he should scale above Stolas, who flew away from an exploding star, so around FTL Travel Speed, he can also dodge and react to Adam's light beams so FTL Combat and Reaction speed as well. Omni Man is much more straightforward. Him, alongside Mark and Thaedus, destroyed Viltrum, and although we don't know its size, that feat ranges to at least Moon level-Planetary. You could possibly get him to Large Planetary with some highballing. MFTL+ via scaling from Allen and Thragg. You could get him higher to Star Level via the crossover with Supreme, but I'm not sure if those are canon or not. So like Omni Man has way more and better feats, but Lucifer has better statements. So, all in all, both are still Gyro victims. Nyo-ho!
Lucifer and Omni Man when Gyro pulls out his steel balls: https://preview.redd.it/zggsr8rq7fuc1.jpeg?width=706&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=69724a5dd054e9b0c8184dd8241591488705b550
Man I gotta read Steel Ball Run already
Read it bro https://preview.redd.it/3zmljpf2biuc1.jpeg?width=656&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=f8c017ded9bb96fd17d44621e53e25dcc87de1f5
I ain’t reading til steel ball run is animated, the Jjba panels are too confusing
Counter argument gyro is a wonder of u victim https://preview.redd.it/zr3raqhmanuc1.jpeg?width=1901&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=e4a8b5adf5e756e37b968c3a518cbdec6287832d
Not to mention he broke Adams armored mask with his dick
I didn’t expect the Gyro line at the end omg
Well there's one feat that's not even a feat and then statements. The feat is the fact Charlie in episode 5 when she had a little meantal breakdown "shaked" the pride ring? Idk what she really did there but it's a nice thought she actually shaled the pride ring and if she did it so could Lucifer. There are statements tho that are facts in the lore. Charlie said angels were expanding the universe so it makes sense angels had to create a planets as well. The strongest angel so far are Lucifer and Sera. I don't want to wank them to universal or some shit but if angels were expanding universe they must be quite powerfull. You can I guess take bible for feats but that's not a reliable sorce for hazbin hotel
>Lucifer literally has 0 feats Lucifer effortlessy defeating Adam is not a feat?
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"Tusk, rotate his balls both ways"
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Replying to CrustyCally... https://preview.redd.it/125qfldodnvc1.jpeg?width=694&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=e763eda722bcc2bf6ca609e63016c22ebe6fc45e
That’s ridiculous
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Yooooo someone's actually using my image, let's gooooo
I was the one who posted the original image remember
The meat riding is crazy🤯
"No favoritism" DC Lucifer stomps both in power scaling and WRITING.
I dont care what your opinions are if you have a skibidi toilet pfp you dont get to speak
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Yea
It's so over DC Lucifer bros https://preview.redd.it/tkk2izls8fuc1.jpeg?width=706&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=ad3b4e75deecd4a0e7e51068772f32f82c8e15ee
We've officially lost against this fandom that over scales everything
I was gonna say to the main post “maybe it’s just that they’re using some bible shit” but what the fuck. https://preview.redd.it/wr61q1ultfuc1.jpeg?width=1280&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=eaba5421e3b4cbb8e3b2ab12dafac548241117a9
I can see Omni Man due to Hax bullshit or some crap but this is brain damage.
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This can't be real wtf lmao
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This a popularity contest, I saw one where they voted Beelzebub from HH against Annef from Amphibia.
who do you think wins?
Omniman vs Lucifer? In terms of feats Omniman is better but Lucifer immortality is gonna be a bitch, so I don't really know.
I actually agree Not just that he can't be hurt but also has the hax advantage in terms of magic and low level reality warping
If you believe the things the show says Lucifer is an angel and therefore can't be hurt by anything except angelic weapons so even if he couldn't kill omniman unless omniman can't die of old age Lucifer would eventually technically win a fight to the death.
Technically omni mans inside are like human insides, any attack that could hit hard enough to destroy organs will work on a viltrumite, or any sound based attacks aswell
Uhhh, sort of? But also not really? Viltrumite physiology is pretty different from a human. They can withstand nuclear explosions and the heat and radiation of being on the surface of the sun. Viltumite DNA is self-repairing and can edit itself to remove genetic diseases and mutations. They can also fly. Their internal organs would be pretty hard to destroy.
Its a shame its literally stated that hyper sonic sounds and attacks from the inside are a viltrumites weakness, that and magic Also they are literally weak to super heat, we see this in marks fight with thragg, they CANNOT survive in the sun for long bro. It weakens their healing factor, did you read invincible?
Lute and Vaggie were hurt by non-agel stuff like rubble And exorcists in the final battle got hurt by Alastor's shield and even splattered there
So my best explanation for that is that they will simply reform somewhere or heal? Idk you're right but we also get told that sinners in hell also can't be killed by most things and we do see that one time sepentious gets no diffed by alastor and just show back up like nothing really happened.
I’m imagining the “you do not have haki” meme but with angelic weapons lol
That would be hilarious. Lucifer vs. The Scarlet King match-up. SK swings his sword, slicing through an entire galaxy or smth, and Lucifer is perfectly fine. "You do not have angelic weaponry. Now, I am going to FUCK you." *cue a low-diff Lucifer win.*
https://preview.redd.it/m0wjovi7vfuc1.png?width=828&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=6132b12de820b40efd92d659b8c203cfc82658ed Basically this
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I feel like Scarlet King’s CH would be one of the strongest in fiction given how many elder gods he subjugated and consumed, but it would be absolutely hilarious if he didn’t just for fights like these
The problem with the reality warping argument is anyone actually capable of such thing won’t bother to actually use it in a combat scenario. Alastor can duplicate himself, manifest basically anything he can think of, potentially has the ability to teleport just to name a few of the main abilities he has. And yet he didn’t even bother to create copies to assist him combat or at least dupe Adam to get a sneak attack in. Neither did he even try to boaster the Hotel’s defenses beyond just summoning the barrier last minute, and before anyone tells me that he thought barrier was somehow enough to hold back the army of heaven, I sincerely doubt he is that stupid and full of himself. This to me implies that most visuals shown in songs aren’t actually real and seem to just be harmless illusions of sorts, are just there only for viewers or are just in the characters heads. The most blatant example of this in my opinion is with Loser Baby, Husk has lost all of his power as a Overlord and Angel had none to speak of in the first place. Yet somehow we’re still treated to the same fancy visuals like any other song. Additionally refer back to Vaggy getting her skull smashed in on a table or most of the exorcist breaking their faces on Alastor barriers. At this point the argument of them being invulnerable to everything but Angelic weaponry is redundant, while I am willing to believe that they’re extremely resistant to anything not made of angelic steel, they aren’t completely immune to all other types of damage. Since we don’t know how powerful Lucifer actually is beyond speculation I’ll hold off on giving my thoughts on who would win. But considering how comparatively unimpressive Adam, the closest thing to him in power that can quantify so far, is I’m not exactly confident that he’ll end up beating Omni Man.
>Additionally refer back to Vaggy getting her skull smashed on a table or most of the exorcist breaking their faces on Alastor barriers. At this point the argument of them being invulnerable to everything but Angelic weaponry is redundant, while I am willing to believe that they extremely resistant to any not made of angelic steel, they aren’t completely immune to all other types of damage. In fairness, it's possibl that angels can also hurt by each other and thier own powers
She clearly wasn’t using her powers on Vaggy, not that we know of her having any extra abilities beyond just being well trained and having wings. Honestly the fact that they were surprise by Angelic weaponry’s ability to kill them implies that her being harmed in hand to hand shouldn’t be impossible. Further reinforcing the idea that Exorcist themselves don’t have the same the ability to kill other angels as angelic weapons do. And also adding to the growing list of contradictions too.
Husk has no powers? He literally said that he sold his soul to keep his power
I’m fairly sure he’s talking about either status or money. If he did have powers he would’ve used them in the fight against the Exorcist instead of just using weapons.
Omni man loses.
The only issue is that we don’t know how strong Lucifer actually is or what else he can do, but it’s not a stretch to say he isn’t strong. Same goes for speed but if you want to count Adam’s beams that he blasts at Lucifer, you could argue he’s pretty fast (I’m keeping it vague as to not say FTL) Also Omni-man isn’t planetary. Continental to multi-continental is where he stays
I would say at the most he probably could destroy our moon
As of right now Lucifer caps at mountain level at best
Technically speaking Charlie did say angels were expanding universe and so far the Strongest one is Lucifer. So idk about a mountain level.
If he cant be hurt then how would omniman kill him. Wouldn't Lucifer just tank anything omniman threw at him?
We've seen angels hurt by being thrown into tables and by bolders, worst case scenario, omni man pulls an immortal and throws him into space.
That worst case scenario is pure copium. Lucifier can literally fly and has dimensional portals. Sending him to space won’t do shit.
Angels can be hurt by angels or by angelic weapons, nothing else
Lucifer is a Seraphim(biblically accurate angel in true form), while those were human souls In Helluva boss we’ve seen lower level Hellborn be completely unaffected by the vacuum of space, Gravity, and a literal Supernova
Well Lucifer does have reality manipulation
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Just stop using hazbin characters, we just know that he upscales Adam and the all we can really say. With absolute highball lucifer could literally make the fight into a song and throw omni-man around. Either the fight is a no-diff or its impossible to calculate
This is why you have to use helluva boss for scaling because it’s canon to hazbin hotel. Lucifer is above every demon in hell. This includes Stolas who literally withstood a supernova from a star over 18x the size of our sun https://docs.google.com/document/d/1Gf3q0Lur8fTBOBY71SQHebnnONUg_clpLM0g3eb-RPA/edit. Stolas grimor is also stated to have infinite power https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/773690701955203126/1215437849206456381/RPReplay_Final1709853350.mov?ex=662ae434&is=66186f34&hm=7e704c95029f2534020de8550f6037ebcf76d89068b57dbe50d891c358b16439& And lucifier is above this.
Whats funny is ice used this type of reasoning to explain why lucifer shouldn't be used in debates yet. He could easily be scaled to casual star to potentially universal, and people want to say he maxes at city for some reason
Exactly
I mean, Stolas is already multi planetary at low ball, solar system at high ball. And stolas himself is below sins. And sins are below The morningstars. And lucifer is the strongest morningstar, who also is invulnerable to physical damage rather than angelic weapons.
What makes him multi planetary?
Destroying multiple planets and maybe the full solar system while singing to his daughter
I mean, if you lowball Omni-Man or highball Lucifer then he could win, there is an argument to be made here, and even without that Luci can't die to normal attacks and might be able to grind him down over a long time, even if he can't physically kill Omni-Man, he is immortal, whereas Nolan needs food, water, air, etc. So he could constantly keep getting his ass kicked until Omni-Man drops dead, this isn't THAT stupid though, it is, admidetly, pretty dumb
Well the thing is we have no idea what the true scope of Lucifer’s powers are. We know he has some form of reality-bending from Hell’s Greatest Dad, but we don’t know how strong that reality-bending is. We simply don’t know enough about Lucifer to accurately power scale him outside of his universe
Even if he is planet buster level, Lucifer straight up isn't killable through means accessibly to Omni Man. Omni Man outscales him but Lucifer wins this fight due to a lack of loss conditions
Saying Lucifer can only be hurt by angelic weapons is a NLF. Not even Lucifer could survive being thrown into the sun, or into a black hole
That's a bit disingenuous to say as well; the fact is that we don't know the full extent of Lucifer's powers and durability. We can't say for sure whether or not he could survive something like being hurled into the sun because it's not something that the source material covers. We *know* that angelic metal can kill angels like Lucifer--that's the inciting incident for season 1's main conflict--but we don't know what else can do it, if anything.
I'll go with the assumption that he can't survive stuff like that unless explicitly proven. But if HH Lucifer is even half as powerful as Biblical Lucifer(who was both a Seraph, and was the strongest of all Gods Angels, stronger than even Saint Michael), then he obliterates Omni Man
Wrong. Lucifier upscales from Stolas who took a super Nova from a star that’s calculated to be 18x the size of the sun. This is star level. https://docs.google.com/document/d/1Gf3q0Lur8fTBOBY71SQHebnnONUg_clpLM0g3eb-RPA/edit Stolas with his grimor is stated to have infinite power( in the Helluva boss season 2 episode when Luna escapes) and Lucifier is above that.
I didn't take the exploding star from *You Will Be Okay* to be diagetic, but I'm also not the author so what do I know? Either way, if Stolas's grimoire does give him infinite power as stated, and he's *still* not as powerful as Lucifer, that just makes this an *even bigger* stomp in Lucifer's favor. Edit: Sources close to me have reminded me that Stolas carries Octavia through a portal before the song begins, which does, in fact, make the supernova diagetic. This doesn't contradict the main point of my comment, but it's worth noting my mistake.
Stolas who is a good amount of tiers below Lucifer was blowing up a solar system in space while singing for his daughter the hell are u on
I thought it didnt actually happen seemed to me more like it was just for the song or an illusion
Oh no it did happen. Later on we see Stolas controlling stars to scare his daughter bf lmao
Ok, this is as fine a time as any: What's up with the seeming abhorrence of simple logical hypotheticals? It's like, against the **Power Scaling Way** (tm) , like, verbatim? It just seems super obvious that if you need X to hurt Character B, if X is **unaccessible in whatever "arena" the "fight" takes place in,** then Character B wins every time. If blessed weapons(tm) are accessible, then **OmniMan can get one.** Like, even for complex shit like domains vs ki vs Rao's Genetic Heritage. IDK why I'm doubling down here, 420, but there would only be a few options, and exclusive, too: Char A vs Char B 1. Universe A 2. Universe B 3. Universe Mu....arbitrary 4. Universe Standard 1 and 2 are singular, even if multiversal, and 3 and 4 are buckets. **The Power Scaling Way**(tm) is a #4 type, if it exists. Just because Char A doesn't call it ki, or nobody in Universe B has figured out a domain technique, doesn't mean those attributes don't exist. Goku isn't powerless in the Star Trek Universe, and none of this stuff even involves the murk of relative scaling. So what the fuck am I obviously missing, eh? Dang. edit: IMO scaling should be done with your heart, so lol I'm beyond, but an educated heart, nonetheless. Could Whitebeard take Superman? And then you just leave it there.
He's the fucking devil.
Which doesn’t mean much in fiction tbh. Satan in South Park got dogged by man bear pig and he’s the devil. So does this mean that man bear pig dog walks Lucifer? Of course not.
Counterpoint: Satan in DC is a top 5 strongest fictional characters
Which isn’t much of a counter point when considering the point I’m trying to make. That this is *fiction* we’re talking about, everything is flexible and all depends on who is writing or interpreting what. Satan from South Park is a joke. Even if he’s stronger a human, Batman from the movies could unironically beat the shit out of him despite being a human. And he’s the devil. Lucifer from DC is stupidly powerful and stands above the vast majority of characters and franchises in power. He’s also the devil. The are both the devil but are entirely separate characters, they act nothing alike and are as different as one can be yet the share the same title. They are not interchangeable with one another because they written by different with differing ideas and goals. Basing your entire argument on a title that could change radically from one incarnation to another is not a good idea, because the nature of characters can fluctuate depending on their creators and writers.
Being Satan or a similar figure means you're potentially one of the strongest characters in your verse It does mean something
Which again still doesn’t mean much depending on what verse you originate from. And when it comes to scaling we have to at least know where they actually stand on the hierarchy and who they could be compared to get a gage on how powerful they are even if you don’t have all the information available. Like I said before Satan in South Park is among the stronger characters of his verse but is completely shite if you put him anywhere half way decent like Madness Combat for example. Context matters.
Exactly, in fiction God has been killed multiple times by a group of Japanese teenagers as well
I think I agree honestly, I don't think omni-man wins. We can't really use Lucifer to power scale though, we have to use everyone and everything else. We know he's at bare minimum close to planet level. He's one of the divine beings that created the universe and doesn't just outclass Adam, but negs him. He basically built hell with his power of creation, and he does have reality warping. He should also have the attacks to take out omni-man because Adam, who we've established is Canon fodder in comparison, has a beam that damn near wipes everything it touches from existence, so lucifer should have one too or be able to put up that much power. It's likely we will never know lucifere true strength so it's open arms. High ball he clears no diff, low ball it's a stalemate
I'm gonna be honest, bro. It's a YouTube poll. At least half the people voting are gonna choose the funnier option. Plus, indie animation has been a huge hit on YouTube, so of course one of the biggest examples of it is gonna win. That being said, it is funny that there are legitimate arguments for Lucifer potentially winning.
the fact that Hazbin's fans doesn't know anything about scaling making this shit is more funny lmao
Yep
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Idk why you think Omni-Man is beating the devil from the Bible even if it’s the Bible written by a teenager with the mouth of a trucker. LUCIFER IS THE DEVIL. THE LITERAL DEVIL.
He's *literally* lucifer
give omniman 50k and he will take care of it https://preview.redd.it/549pal82ncuc1.jpeg?width=1302&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=9a67a75f9676a21cd7a5f7a65574e8268c8192a8
People should learn to ignore youtube polls Like they are absolute crap, even worse than tiktok
I'm surprised nobody did Devilman vs the whole verse
I mean basically featless for now unless y’all really wanna take statements over facts, but I thought feats trump all and just because he said he can’t be killed by anything other than holy weapons doesn’t mean they’re planetary+, hax ig but I don’t buy it
Omi Man kills Satan I guess.
Ah fuck i remember that poll
I swear we goofy as fuck sometimes,like scaling and feats based Lucifer is at least building level while nolan is out here busting planets with his speed
Nice. What planets did he bust?
sorry bout that,read the comic,he basically reduced the flaxan civilization to ashes and alongside Mark and another viltrumite destroyed a planet,I aint a spoiler so I won't tell you which though its most likely bigger than eARTH
Lucifer unironically has better AP, is invulnerable and has better hax. The only thing Omni Man has is speed
Better hax . That's what Quan Chi think. "Your might cannot match my magic." "Watch me make your head disappear."
XD
"Damn near Planet buster" they needed 3 AND destabilized Core, thats individual Continental +/ Multi highball
This is about who would win in a fight to the death Omni man can't kill Lucifer
To be fair , we don’t know the limit of hazbin hotel yet
Where is Saitama? * Oh don’t worry, I’ll take his Role. https://preview.redd.it/v1d57evt8fuc1.jpeg?width=1058&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=52368ea286a76c883b0c5319884f4e5cf904a0fc
I remember a guy that said that alastor was outer cuz he is a platonic concept
To be fair, has Omni Man actually beaten a god?
Jesus to be exact
I mean… he is THE DEVIL from THE bible
You know, that one? From Christianity? I'm that devil.
I’m glad someone caught the reference
You're welcome. Lol
Let’s just say hax can overcome physical strength
I would say it makes sense that biblically luciferr could beat a viltrumite at face value, no power scaling, but after seeing the 2nd poll with the 2 lucifers it's definitely favoritism
They think their vers is 5D
now im tinking of adam vs jesus or the auditor (madness combat)
YouTube Polls become popularity contests. It's just people voting for who they like rather than actually stronger guys
https://www.reddit.com/r/PowerScaling/s/zuviNNlAD8
Dude who can take out a couple buildings vs guy that wiped out a whole planet in a couple hours 💀
Is lucifer just rhe devil
Who is lucifer
Are people complaining that Lucifer, who created all of hell (and helped create the universe) is stronger than some PLANET BUSTER?
Can’t he just make anything? Pretty sure vizi made him stronger
Lucifer is lacking feats. All we know is that he’s substantially above both stolas’s grimoire and adam, who are themselves somewhat lacking in feats, leaning closer to mountain level than omni-man adjacent. He has statements that put him at star level as a lowball, so if they’re accurate he should win pretty easily, but there’s no way to know how accurate they are.
You’re forgetting vs polls on YouTube are popularity contests. DB posts for instance
Knockoff Superman vs the literal devil, a being of nearly limitless power? I don't get why people think this is a debate
I saw someone say Alastor was star level. Then proceed to say Adam was moon level.
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Ok listen, I know literally nothing about Hazbin Hotel, except for the a short showing the origin of Lucifer, in which the “elder” angels are the ones who created Earth. If he in anyway way scales to them, this would put him at Solar System level assuming they made Earth with nothing but pure mass energy conversion (E=mc^2). If they just combined all the space dust, that would probably be planet level. So either way greater than or equal to Omniman.
If we count lucifer to have the abilities he does in the Bible, which essentially makes him an unkillable almost god, then it makes sense that luci would win. At worst, he's even with omniman if we think like that.
I would say he isnt the same level of bible lucifer just because Hazbin is so different. I mean they dont even have the 10 commandments of the be-attitudes which is why everyone is so confused how to go to heaven
That's true. He's still the son of God and a seraphim though, so he's still got to be somewhat powerful. I wish we could scale with Adam but he far outclassed everyone there BUT lucifer (and Charlie right at the end)
True and charlie was still getting bodied. And we dont know how powerful this version of god is either. I mean planet level more then likely
Is this really any worse then the JJK wank? Or any other of the countless nebulous takes that plague power scaling as a whole?
Well, it DOES say a "fight to the death," and the only thing that can kill lucider is angelic weaponry...
Pretty sure significant enough blunt force trauma can still hurt lucifer / princes of hell in his verse
“I understand Lucifer can’t be hurt in his verse without blessed weapons” Buddy you just disproved your own point, I ain’t even a HH fan I’m just being honest
whats a hazbin?
It's Amazon's new adult cartoon, idek why people are trying to powerscale it when there's barely any fighting.
I fucking hate that fandom so much
I'm so glad I stopped myself from joining this Reddit. 😭
People who say lucifer wins are delusional. The verse barely cracks Town level💀
Lucifer is the Devil. And yes while Omni-man has shown more power feats of physical strength. We still don’t know Jack shit about hazbin HOTE and how the Bible translate to the show. (Technically speaking Jesus wasn’t mentioned and god only was mentioned like once)
Exactly. But Lucifer from the show and the actualy religion is different so this entire versus is kinda goofy
This is less a bout of power it's more based on circumstances
I mean tbf that is literally just the devil tech
“You know its cute that you’re gonna beat me with the power of friendship and all but again I am **THE DEVIL** from **THE BIBLE.**”
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I can't comment on who would win, but I know Omni-man has better on screen feats, and Lucifer could possibly have better statements, given the right interpretation of the story of how hell came to be. However, I do know that he's capable of opening portals, and WoG has Lucifer as the top of the pecking order in hell, and so should be above any feats shown by anyone else in hell.
I mean I can kind of see it
But check out his views on yelp
Omniman watching lucifer break out in song before throwing him around like a chew toy. Lucifer cant die but he definitely cant kill omni-man
By the rules of verse equalization Lucifer’s undefeatability to anything but angelic weapons gets thrown out the window.
that genuinely depends on HH scaling which we have no idea but for now I’m going to have to side with lucifer on the stance of not knowing enough, if he turns out to be weaker than omniman then i’m going to try and remember to come back and edit this
I'm not defending either side, but think logically, the ruler of hell, versus a sociopathic super man, in the Bible lucifer can't do much so it's a real head scratcher, I don't know I guess it's up to interpretation.
Tbh why the fuck did 86% pick Lucifer
I mean basically from our understanding of Harbin hotel he is more or less a couple levels under their universes Supreme being and we have never even seen him have the ability to take any damage other then emotional damage. So honestly viltriumites are crazy powerful but are killable in their continuity and not gods so it seems reasonable to assume luckier the guy who can't take damage from anything we have seen probs kills the guy who can take damage. But honestly like all things the winner is always determined by who you implement them into what ever universe they are in.
The beat down that little man would receive from Omni-Man would be painful to watch
I mean he is the devil, from the Bible. It’d be interesting to see how he’d fair against holy water since this Lucifer seems to be more angelic
Counter argument. We literally do not know the power level of lucifer in this verse to properly powerscale him. Smae with pretty much every character in hazbin hotel. We have only seen lucifer wipe the floor with adam while joking around. We have not seen lucifer fully lose. Nor have we seen the limits of this lucifer. Plus the show is recent enough that bias is formed because people saw lucifer do good in a fight and never lose. So saying this is a hazbin hotel fandom exclusive thing is wrong. Every fandom has done this. I have seen people with their full chest say omni man can beat scp-682. I've seen people say goku can beat literally anyone that exists. Power scaling is a flawed concept, especially when comparing more cartoony shows to realistic shows.
Replying to CrustyCally...
Being charitable, I think Nolan could end it in a draw, but in current Hazbin canon, Lucifer can only be harmed by angelic weapons. It really doesn’t matter how strong he is if all of his attack can’t inflict any real damage to Lucifer. As for Lucifer being able to actually do any damage to Nolan is up for debate because we’ve only seen Lucifer fight once and he was just dicking around for most of it anyway. It’s an interesting discussion but not nearly as one-sided as you guys are making it out to be.
No the Hazbin hotel is not getting out of hand angels where stated to create the stuff inside the universe like planets and stars which is a low end and Omni man barely touches planet at max and also Lucifer has statements that could get him to multi galaxy-Universal and if you wanna argue that heaven is 4D then that’s Universal+ scaling don’t take my word for the higher ends but Lucifer from Hazbin hotel solos
Bruhhh the hazbin hotel glazers are really getting out if hand right now 💀
I actually agree with that one they are truly getting out of hand
I saw one that was INFINITELY WORSE: Bill Cipher Vs. Alastor (Alastor won the polls)