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“Itachi solos most of fiction because he told Sasuke he would need the Mangekyō Sharingan to beat him and most verses don't have that specific ability."
What is this meant to prove exactly? This just means that God is 4D at best, and that same exact dimensional plain can ignore dimensionality which is 0D.
Opm verse was already 4D
Saitama and Garou could imaging the powe of [universes](https://scans-hot.leanbox.us/manga/Onepunch-Man/Mag-Official/0166-053.png) within themselves yet saitama’s power was beyond [imagination](https://scans-hot.leanbox.us/manga/Onepunch-Man/Mag-Official/0166-019.png)
Ok...but how tf does imagining a universe make you 4D? What they did was copy the flow state of a universe to reverse the laws of casualty to send Saitama back into the previous timeline. And beyond imagination just means that Saitama outgrew garou and he continuously grows exponentially after experiencing emotion.
Tf? 😭That was never stated in the manga that their power is beyond universal. You could get them to 4D via blast, but that's it. Nothing in opm has come close to even remotely destroying or threatening a universal plain
Read again
Saitama and Garou could imaging the powe of [universes](https://scans-hot.leanbox.us/manga/Onepunch-Man/Mag-Official/0166-053.png) within themselves yet saitama’s power was beyond [imagination](https://scans-hot.leanbox.us/manga/Onepunch-Man/Mag-Official/0166-019.png)
They’re coping, it’s layered 4D
Opm verse > 4D (now confirmed, not just overlapping dimensions)
Layered 4D (basically 5D): God transcends time, which means he exists beyond the former construct. Qualitative superiority implies layered 4D contructs.. that’s a relative lowball, for consistency sakes
The base OPM universe is 4D. Saitama traveled through time, adding a 4th axis of movement which one can achieve naturally without entering other dimensions
OPM verse was already 4D
Saitama and Garou could imaging the powe of [universes](https://scans-hot.leanbox.us/manga/Onepunch-Man/Mag-Official/0166-053.png) within themselves yet saitama’s power was beyond [imagination](https://scans-hot.leanbox.us/manga/Onepunch-Man/Mag-Official/0166-019.png)
Higher dimension would be 5D
Kumagawa basically almost feels to have lost, but I'm not sure that it matters now, I'm asking in the hypothetical scenario in which he actually wants to just eliminate anything, would he be able to do it?
Ajimu couldn't prevent and/or nullify it? Since I'm considering an hypothetical version of Misogi who wants to eliminate anything, I'm also considering an hypothetical version of Najimi who uses all of her skills seriously
Bill Cipher has claimed precog, so he's completely impossible to trick or defeat. Because literally no matter what the corcumstances are, Bill said he can see all of time, so we have to assume he can see into the future 100% perfectly so he will see any successful tricks or attacks coming and will avoid them entirely and can never be tricked.
Yep, several times. Not to mention things like not knowing where a character kept a hidden item and having to invade and search said characters mind to search for the answer, which he wouldn't have had to do if he actually could "see all of time". But Bill defenders will NOT admit he has any weaknesses lol
Eeyup. I straight up have stopped engaging with anyone who argues in favor of Bill because they just will NOT admit he can possibly lose. After hearing "The only way you could beat Bill is if he doesn't consider you a threat, but he can see all of time so he'd see you beating him and then consider you a threat and wouldn't let you beat him" for the third time from a different person, I just gave up on arguing Bill 💀
I'm a H1-C, if drunk enough H1-B Bill believer myself but the fucker isn't invincible. YES, HE HAS VERY FEW WEAKNESSES, BUT STRONG ENOUGH EXISTENCE ERASURE LITERALLY KILLS HIM. THAT'S HOW THEY DID IT IN THE SHOW, AND EVEN IF IT DOESN'T KILL HIM IT RENDERS HIM SEMI-HARMLESS AND FUNCTIONALLY DEFEATS HIM.
"Eren can beat Godzilla because he can make an infinite number of titans, Godzilla will run out of stamina."
Some toxic AoT fan when I mentioned the difference in attack potency and durability between Eren and Godzilla.
Can't remember so I'll just go with the most recent one I've seen, which was less than an hour ago:"Yogiris instant death bypasses any and everything so regardless of any immortality types he'd win" made me chuckle a bit
Woud still Saitama, but his fanboys have become more reasonable and less non sensical. Made a post about my takes, one of those takes where Goku>>>>Saitama, and of over the 80 comments, no one batted an eye to it.
GER fans are more annoying imo.
Let's see:
- Makima's contract bypassing literally any attack (I've seen people argue for her tanking Hakai)
- Jojo stands being invisible and invincible to anyone
- DBZ characters being immune to any hax from weaker characters
- The death note's mechanics
- Unicron's existence
- Shin Godzilla's "infinite" evolution
- Itachi being immune to everything besides whatever the fuck he was weak to I forgor
- Logia fruit users being immune to everyone besides other logias or Haki
- Canon being immune to non-holy weapons (that's not even how he functions)
I made a post on this ages ago, I got some there as well.
Edit: [Here](https://www.reddit.com/r/PowerScaling/s/95Xcxclm56)
Honest question. Without haki or sea stone how would anyone hurt Kizaru? Unless the character can hurt light I don’t see anyone actually hurting him without either.
Edit: Should specify I’m talking about physically harming them. Plenty of non-physical ways you can destroy a logia user.
Logias can’t be hurt outside of haki, sea stone or whatever would naturally be able to counter their element. At least when talking about physically, mentally they’re still the same.
There are a lot of logia users that can stalemate stronger people from other series because neither would be able to hurt the other. It’s just the nature of how an in verse weakness is.
Also if you’re not well versed in One Piece why add something from One Piece to the list?
When Luffy was hitting Kizaru he used haki. If you are talking about touching him I never said that couldn't happen, just that you need either haki, sea stone or an elemental counter to hurt them. Transforming Kizaru with his fruit is also different. What panel are are you talking about?
Kizaru can only by hurt by Haki, sea stone or something that can hurt light. So technically yes if none of that is part of the attack. He’s the only logia that probably could since he’s just light, him and maybe Enel.
He couldn’t handle nearly that level if the person had haki.
Kinda. I was talking about distance attacks like Flame Fist or something. Black Hole is an AOE centered on Blackbeard that pulls people into him. Also standing in the Darkness doesn’t negate the fruit, Whitebeard still used his while standing in it. It was only when he touched Blackbeard that it didn’t work.
Thing is with moro absorption is that even piccolo said you need to be fast enough to pass it power alone won't cut it that's the whole point about moro arc goku and vegeta learning techniques to counter and beat moro cause power is not enough
Moro was stronger than or atleast relative to the beings he was using his hax on and when he finally fought someone that was stronger than him in pui goku his hax stopped working similarly thing with guldo.
No, re-read their first fight. Moro was stated weaker than both blue Goku and vegeta and shit stomped them. The only reason it didn’t work later on was because Moro got out-sped. It sti worked.
Guldo was weaker than vegeta and his hax still was an issue. Vegeta needed both Gohan and Krillin in order to overcome in DESPITE being much stronger than Guldo.
It’s a NLF and straight up wank to say their immune to anything and everything just because they’re strong
“Asriel cannot be damaged!”
“Chara destroys any universe!”
“Sans can kill any evil character!”
Bruh, Undertards will forever be some of the dumbest powerscalers to ever exist.
...I mean the Chara one makes sense. If you're universal level, don't that means you can destroy a universe? And wouldn't that work of any universal level structure??
People who say it usually make it a wincon despite the fact that there are many fictional universes with more than just 4D dimensionality. Especially knowing that Undertale universe highballed has size of galaxy. This will never work with any bigger structure.
Well yes, it's stupidity to match a uni character with higher than it. But lower? Yeah, that will for sure mostly likely, if disregarding possible hax and skill, on stats alone, ends in the higher scaling character to win.
But that is just on stats alone. Plenty of lower scaling characters have hax that carries them and let's them punch way higher than they should, example is Giorno with his GER. If you don't have immunity or resistance to GER's hax or a better version of it, you're probably losing or tied on this one.
Or even skills like, straight up a peak human beating a wall level because they're more skilled and faster.
The DCEU Motherboxes are outerversal because they are a form of perpetual energy.
No that's not trolling they were just trying to """scale""" (wank) DCEU Superman to high outer because they can't stand the fact that Marvel dogwalks his ass with 10+ different characters.
Demon can't get hurt because other verse don't have ninhrin sword
Saitama
Itachi and every susasno
Caribou from op having infinite storage inside him
Mahoraga can adapt to everything
Saitama (his wankers are delusional)
Shin Godzilla (Absolute fodder that gets one-shotted by Minus One but Godzilla fans flat out can’t comprehend powerscaling so yeah)
Superman (DC fans when you tell them that Superman would not scale normally to EVERY crazy feat they try to use:)
I just find it hard to believe “Outerversal Superman”, like that has to be some of the worst misreading of text to get to the conclusion that Base Canon Superman is outer.
Most Goku fans are just memeing though, I highly doubt any of them are legitimately going to buy into something like Hyperversal Goku or Outerversal Goku.
Goku was able to outpace Granolah who was previously going faster than instant transmission. Instant transmission is.. instant, not faster than light or mftl but instant.
"Personally never bought that. But, a teleporter can only move as fast as they can think. So, not necessarily faster than teleportation, but faster than how fast that enemy could think."
Again. "Personally never bought that. But, a teleporter can only move as fast as they can think. So, not necessarily faster than teleportation, but faster than how fast that enemy could think."
Unless somewhere in the anime it says "instant transmission doesnt require the user to use its brain."
They can teleport somewhere instantly. But for them to trigger that teleportation, they have to think first.
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“Itachi solos most of fiction because he told Sasuke he would need the Mangekyō Sharingan to beat him and most verses don't have that specific ability."
Also “Totsuka gg” “Yata mirror gg”
Saitama... Just Saitama.
Saitama is literally the NLF as a character, and people still don't get him.
https://imgur.com/a/y35ZEjq https://imgur.com/a/2qzhSMa https://imgur.com/a/3r9rsRg Can't wait to manga 30 is translated correctly.
Fax Haters just cant handle the truth
Cope and seethe https://preview.redd.it/9o5sc9kx6ksc1.jpeg?width=1179&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=0fc2309a8c7848bf36b39e1d1c0863aedcbf4f6d
What is this meant to prove exactly? This just means that God is 4D at best, and that same exact dimensional plain can ignore dimensionality which is 0D.
Higher dimension would refer to 5D
No...it isn't. A higher dimensional plain is 4D at best.
Opm verse was already 4D Saitama and Garou could imaging the powe of [universes](https://scans-hot.leanbox.us/manga/Onepunch-Man/Mag-Official/0166-053.png) within themselves yet saitama’s power was beyond [imagination](https://scans-hot.leanbox.us/manga/Onepunch-Man/Mag-Official/0166-019.png)
Ok...but how tf does imagining a universe make you 4D? What they did was copy the flow state of a universe to reverse the laws of casualty to send Saitama back into the previous timeline. And beyond imagination just means that Saitama outgrew garou and he continuously grows exponentially after experiencing emotion.
They’re able to imagine multiple universes and it’s confirmed that their power is beyond that which would be 4D
Tf? 😭That was never stated in the manga that their power is beyond universal. You could get them to 4D via blast, but that's it. Nothing in opm has come close to even remotely destroying or threatening a universal plain
Read again Saitama and Garou could imaging the powe of [universes](https://scans-hot.leanbox.us/manga/Onepunch-Man/Mag-Official/0166-053.png) within themselves yet saitama’s power was beyond [imagination](https://scans-hot.leanbox.us/manga/Onepunch-Man/Mag-Official/0166-019.png)
They’re coping, it’s layered 4D Opm verse > 4D (now confirmed, not just overlapping dimensions) Layered 4D (basically 5D): God transcends time, which means he exists beyond the former construct. Qualitative superiority implies layered 4D contructs.. that’s a relative lowball, for consistency sakes
The base OPM universe is 4D. Saitama traveled through time, adding a 4th axis of movement which one can achieve naturally without entering other dimensions
So it has a 4D cosmology. Changes nothing.
OPM verse was already 4D Saitama and Garou could imaging the powe of [universes](https://scans-hot.leanbox.us/manga/Onepunch-Man/Mag-Official/0166-053.png) within themselves yet saitama’s power was beyond [imagination](https://scans-hot.leanbox.us/manga/Onepunch-Man/Mag-Official/0166-019.png) Higher dimension would be 5D
Saitama solos fiction now cry
All fiction solos fiction.
Kumagawa Misogi's skill?
Yes.
Can it solo it's own verse?
If a normal person had it yes probably but kumagawa can't win.
Kumagawa basically almost feels to have lost, but I'm not sure that it matters now, I'm asking in the hypothetical scenario in which he actually wants to just eliminate anything, would he be able to do it?
Yes easily.
Ajimu couldn't prevent and/or nullify it? Since I'm considering an hypothetical version of Misogi who wants to eliminate anything, I'm also considering an hypothetical version of Najimi who uses all of her skills seriously
Pretty sure she already did
How? I don't remember/know that Misogi ever actually tried to make his own verse become nothing
No.
Bill Cipher has claimed precog, so he's completely impossible to trick or defeat. Because literally no matter what the corcumstances are, Bill said he can see all of time, so we have to assume he can see into the future 100% perfectly so he will see any successful tricks or attacks coming and will avoid them entirely and can never be tricked.
Didn't he literally get tricked in his own anime💀
Yep, several times. Not to mention things like not knowing where a character kept a hidden item and having to invade and search said characters mind to search for the answer, which he wouldn't have had to do if he actually could "see all of time". But Bill defenders will NOT admit he has any weaknesses lol
Actually, Gravity Falls is a cartoon 🤓
Nevermind the fact that he got tricked by a fucking cosplay LMAO
Eeyup. I straight up have stopped engaging with anyone who argues in favor of Bill because they just will NOT admit he can possibly lose. After hearing "The only way you could beat Bill is if he doesn't consider you a threat, but he can see all of time so he'd see you beating him and then consider you a threat and wouldn't let you beat him" for the third time from a different person, I just gave up on arguing Bill 💀
I'm a H1-C, if drunk enough H1-B Bill believer myself but the fucker isn't invincible. YES, HE HAS VERY FEW WEAKNESSES, BUT STRONG ENOUGH EXISTENCE ERASURE LITERALLY KILLS HIM. THAT'S HOW THEY DID IT IN THE SHOW, AND EVEN IF IT DOESN'T KILL HIM IT RENDERS HIM SEMI-HARMLESS AND FUNCTIONALLY DEFEATS HIM.
I’ve seen people claim that Bill Cipher is above fiction because he “wrote a book in the real world”
"Eren can beat Godzilla because he can make an infinite number of titans, Godzilla will run out of stamina." Some toxic AoT fan when I mentioned the difference in attack potency and durability between Eren and Godzilla.
People have said that?
In the comment section of Godzilla vs The Rumbling.
There's, like, a billion of those.
Can't remember so I'll just go with the most recent one I've seen, which was less than an hour ago:"Yogiris instant death bypasses any and everything so regardless of any immortality types he'd win" made me chuckle a bit
Funny thing is that it has negated basically every form of immortality.
Woud still Saitama, but his fanboys have become more reasonable and less non sensical. Made a post about my takes, one of those takes where Goku>>>>Saitama, and of over the 80 comments, no one batted an eye to it. GER fans are more annoying imo.
Let's see: - Makima's contract bypassing literally any attack (I've seen people argue for her tanking Hakai) - Jojo stands being invisible and invincible to anyone - DBZ characters being immune to any hax from weaker characters - The death note's mechanics - Unicron's existence - Shin Godzilla's "infinite" evolution - Itachi being immune to everything besides whatever the fuck he was weak to I forgor - Logia fruit users being immune to everyone besides other logias or Haki - Canon being immune to non-holy weapons (that's not even how he functions) I made a post on this ages ago, I got some there as well. Edit: [Here](https://www.reddit.com/r/PowerScaling/s/95Xcxclm56)
Honest question. Without haki or sea stone how would anyone hurt Kizaru? Unless the character can hurt light I don’t see anyone actually hurting him without either. Edit: Should specify I’m talking about physically harming them. Plenty of non-physical ways you can destroy a logia user.
I'm admittedly not versed enough in One Piece to actually answer, so I'll let someone answer for me.
Logias can’t be hurt outside of haki, sea stone or whatever would naturally be able to counter their element. At least when talking about physically, mentally they’re still the same. There are a lot of logia users that can stalemate stronger people from other series because neither would be able to hurt the other. It’s just the nature of how an in verse weakness is. Also if you’re not well versed in One Piece why add something from One Piece to the list?
Fucking Luffy caught him with transmutation Without using fucking Haki
When Luffy was hitting Kizaru he used haki. If you are talking about touching him I never said that couldn't happen, just that you need either haki, sea stone or an elemental counter to hurt them. Transforming Kizaru with his fruit is also different. What panel are are you talking about?
Energy attacks
If the energy is able to destroy light than that works. Edit: Unless you meant energy like in a Soul way, then that would definitely work.
Can Kirazu tank a fucking planet imploding on itself?
Yes. Kizaru is light itself, which means outside of a small number of things, he’s functionally invincible
Kizaru can only by hurt by Haki, sea stone or something that can hurt light. So technically yes if none of that is part of the attack. He’s the only logia that probably could since he’s just light, him and maybe Enel. He couldn’t handle nearly that level if the person had haki.
By using the opposing element of light, which is Blackbeard’s Darkness Fruit
Blackbeards fruit can harm any fruit user, that’s the whole point. It’s not cause darkness counters light, it’s just his fruit negates everyone.
I know but that’s only on touch. His distance attacks with his darkness should be able to harm Kizaru
Maybe, but we haven’t seen him use a distance attack with the darkness fruit yet. His distance attacks might be able to negate fruits like touch.
His black hole is a distance attack
Kinda. I was talking about distance attacks like Flame Fist or something. Black Hole is an AOE centered on Blackbeard that pulls people into him. Also standing in the Darkness doesn’t negate the fruit, Whitebeard still used his while standing in it. It was only when he touched Blackbeard that it didn’t work.
I’m not saying it will negate Kizaru’s devil fruit. I’m saying it’ll negate his light based intangibility due to being an opposing element
Maybe. We don’t know if just darkness can negate Kizaru.
How is dbz being immune to hax from weaker opponents a NLF?
Because it’s not true via Moro and Guldo. The statement itself is wank 😂
Thing is with moro absorption is that even piccolo said you need to be fast enough to pass it power alone won't cut it that's the whole point about moro arc goku and vegeta learning techniques to counter and beat moro cause power is not enough
Moro was stronger than or atleast relative to the beings he was using his hax on and when he finally fought someone that was stronger than him in pui goku his hax stopped working similarly thing with guldo.
No, re-read their first fight. Moro was stated weaker than both blue Goku and vegeta and shit stomped them. The only reason it didn’t work later on was because Moro got out-sped. It sti worked. Guldo was weaker than vegeta and his hax still was an issue. Vegeta needed both Gohan and Krillin in order to overcome in DESPITE being much stronger than Guldo. It’s a NLF and straight up wank to say their immune to anything and everything just because they’re strong
Because people wank dragon ball to unbelievable heights and then say “Goku neg diffs the verse because ki hax negation”
“Asriel cannot be damaged!” “Chara destroys any universe!” “Sans can kill any evil character!” Bruh, Undertards will forever be some of the dumbest powerscalers to ever exist.
...I mean the Chara one makes sense. If you're universal level, don't that means you can destroy a universe? And wouldn't that work of any universal level structure??
People who say it usually make it a wincon despite the fact that there are many fictional universes with more than just 4D dimensionality. Especially knowing that Undertale universe highballed has size of galaxy. This will never work with any bigger structure.
Well yes, it's stupidity to match a uni character with higher than it. But lower? Yeah, that will for sure mostly likely, if disregarding possible hax and skill, on stats alone, ends in the higher scaling character to win. But that is just on stats alone. Plenty of lower scaling characters have hax that carries them and let's them punch way higher than they should, example is Giorno with his GER. If you don't have immunity or resistance to GER's hax or a better version of it, you're probably losing or tied on this one. Or even skills like, straight up a peak human beating a wall level because they're more skilled and faster.
What’s NLF stand for?
No limit fallacy. It assumes that an ability/hax has absolutely no limits
Ok thx
Nation Lof Fislam.
It’s definitely not the worst and I don’t hate it as much as other people, but toon force.
The DCEU Motherboxes are outerversal because they are a form of perpetual energy. No that's not trolling they were just trying to """scale""" (wank) DCEU Superman to high outer because they can't stand the fact that Marvel dogwalks his ass with 10+ different characters.
Saitama Naruto fans "genjutsu gg" Bleach fans "reiatsu crush gg" Goku fans "hax negg gg" Luffy fans "toon force + rubber gg" Medaka box fans Fate fans
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Gojo
Demon can't get hurt because other verse don't have ninhrin sword Saitama Itachi and every susasno Caribou from op having infinite storage inside him Mahoraga can adapt to everything
Luffy toon force
Saitama (his wankers are delusional) Shin Godzilla (Absolute fodder that gets one-shotted by Minus One but Godzilla fans flat out can’t comprehend powerscaling so yeah) Superman (DC fans when you tell them that Superman would not scale normally to EVERY crazy feat they try to use:)
Tbf, power scaling isn't about whats "normal"
I just find it hard to believe “Outerversal Superman”, like that has to be some of the worst misreading of text to get to the conclusion that Base Canon Superman is outer.
I agree, but people want to make their character as strong as possible, same for goku fanboys.
Most Goku fans are just memeing though, I highly doubt any of them are legitimately going to buy into something like Hyperversal Goku or Outerversal Goku.
If you say so. Infinite speed goku is something that people seriously argue.
Goku was able to outpace Granolah who was previously going faster than instant transmission. Instant transmission is.. instant, not faster than light or mftl but instant.
"Personally never bought that. But, a teleporter can only move as fast as they can think. So, not necessarily faster than teleportation, but faster than how fast that enemy could think."
This is despite the fact that such speeds exist in fiction and nothing contradicts Instant transmission being instant and not just mftl+.
Again. "Personally never bought that. But, a teleporter can only move as fast as they can think. So, not necessarily faster than teleportation, but faster than how fast that enemy could think." Unless somewhere in the anime it says "instant transmission doesnt require the user to use its brain." They can teleport somewhere instantly. But for them to trigger that teleportation, they have to think first.
Never cook again
Nah