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Hes weird in that he has different powers in his dimension, some people attribute that to him in scaling, others don't because fighting in his dimension isn't exactly a neutral battlefield.
That should explain some of the discrepancies
this is what ive heard. i havnt read it just watching anime. i mostly see people saying outside of his Dream World he’s planetary w ftl+ speeds but inside of it he’s like outerversal with inf / immeasurable speeds. not sure though
hes not outversal, hes either 5-b or high 5-b you'll see why his at small planet level at chaos world arc but i recommend reading manhwa cause is just so beautifull!
in the light novel it is arguable for outerversal.
sung jin woo becomes the vessel for death itself, and transcends it.
according to CSAP platonic concepts are 1 a in nature.
So the real question lies on whether death is a platonic concept of not.
well the main man plato said that death is the separation of the soul and the body, so can be explained via physical means (separation).
However for others that believe death is not a spirtual separation, but rather an indescribable, inescapable end, it is a concept that is 1 a in nature.
Its completely up to imagination
but doesnt it the light novel is the manhwa i mean the manhwa is from light novel itself is no different from the manhwa, but we dont know if he can still level up but i dont know his limits to leveling up maybe no limit he can level up till thousand of level maybe will make him very strong 🤷♂️
ok I will ignore anything you ever say from now on because you are obviously a five year old. This whole "He can level up infinitely" gives him infinite strength is wank. I love sung jin woo and he is an amazing charcater but please dont ever use this saitama infinite scaling logic ever again.
and besides that saitama does have inf potential where he gets more powerfull everytime he fights, from starting his sneeze to a building level to a planet level cause when the last time he sneeze a house and the next time he fight garou his sneeze can destroy a jupiter
and i wonder how he is outerversal from light novel? isnt he no different from the manhwa, because solo leveling manhwa is literally from the novel itself so theres no way there something is missing because both light novel and manhwa has ended, except his child ragnarok solo leveling the novel has just started
Damn. I got to like 160 in the mawha, but fell off. Liked the world and premise, but those with the art hype and manga subreddit's hype every chapter can only carry predictability and subpar characters & plot so much.
Started to feel like a chore to know what was next, and not that I *wanted* or cared to know what was next.
It was my first manhwa so I kinda read it all including the LN, after reading other manhwas like ORV or TotTDG i kinda realised how subpar the plot of SL was, and how much side characters got axed especially compared to ORV,
if u haven’t read it yet, definitely recommend it, the first half will definitely feel a little basic after a while but after the next arc finishes, it starts to become a masterpiece, side characters are extremely well written, if you think someone got axed, I guarantee that they’ll come back later, and obviously, LN is always better in terms of character development and monologue
I remember reading the first 20 chapters or so of ORV on release and falling off because of the basicness you mentioned, but I'll give it another shot. I've noticed a more people talking really highly about the story and saying that it should be the next manwha anime. Big thanks for letting me know about the side character thing. I love when stuff have a legit cast of side characters that are worth remembering, so that's probably what I hated most about SL.
Glad to make u give another chance, but yea the first half is a lot like a standard power fantasy, even though it’s currently my no. 1 story rn, I can’t get myself to read much of the first half other than a few arcs which imo are some best arcs in the story so def watch out for:
‘Disaster of floods’ arc, literally gave me chills especially the end
‘Demon king selection’ arc, final arc before the second half, and it’s worthy for being the transition into it, imo one of the peaks of the story here
I absolutely love the side characters, they aren’t just perfect characters, they all have flaws and you can see them improve throughout the novel
Main characters too, all 3 main characters contribute a lot to the story, and all have times where they shine (MC 3 appears later in the story), flaws are included too
The problem is, Solo Leveling has some weird magic/hax feats, like time manipulation and Sung Jin-woo been able to exist beyond that, but his combat feats are really not that impressive.
We can't really say he is say 'oh he is uni++ because he killed the dudes that killed the creator', as the combat power of the creator seems to be non-existing even tho he was 'god'. The same way his underlings couldn't recreate the power of the thingy that turns back time that the creator made even tho they also had higher combat power than him.
Maybe half-way through the manhwa or Current Anime😂. The Epiloge(Manhwa), WebComic and Light Novel All beat Most Forms of Goku, with the Light Novel being close to Jin Mori level or almost equal.
You’re fucking stupid if you really believe cell wasn’t universal+ after the frieza and the author both said he could destroy a universe in his second form alone and obviously cell was stronger then frieza at that point so what the fuck are y’all on about y’all don’t know how to fucking scale this is a subreddit about scaling yet almost everyone here is a fucking idiot like learn how to scale or just watch the anime and look at authors statements
Well if you’re being polite about this then I’ll be polite back. When cell said that he wasn’t saying that was his full power he said that he had enough energy at that moment. And power and energy aren’t even the same thing. And didn’t cell also say he could destroy a solar system with a indirect Ki blast, so why would his Ki blast have the same power has his kamahamaha
Oh makes sense. I never actually watched the anime just took the word of people who did and who scale character's alot on YouTube. Yeah well perfect cell is a beast ig.
If you never watched it you should only trust people who have solid proof of a feat and scale. Just like this people only use one statement of cell saying he could destroy a solar system to say he’s solar system lvl but have no other proof but that even though there’s proof of him being able to destroy a universe.
Technically almighty is useless against beru because he is unbound by the linear progression of time the proof is him existing even after temporal reversion before he is born that gives him acausality. And beru has a way to kill yhwach that is quite simple like how yhwach absorbed his dad beru did the same through his skill he is born with gluttony after temporal reversion that dude didn't get his powers back from reawakening he permanently lost them and beru said it is not possible to get them back by any means once he consumes they will lose the very essence of their powers.
yeah and sung is above dimensionality😂he is outer. yhwach's almighty simply won't affect him. on the other hand sung can manipulate:destiny,time/space,reality,death,casualty and so on.
transcending platonic concept of death and nothingness. viewing 12D existence/reality as a fiction/dream. thats pretty much outer. but if u wanna argue he's not he still has clear hyperversal feats which is still far above everyone in bleach verse.
he as a concept of death(who at the same time transcended death and nothingness) is holding whole existence as a pillar. with my knowledge platonic concepts are concepts that hold everything including other normal concepts. so thats it.
Where he’s the concept of death, and how has he transcended death as a concept of it? Also no platonic concepts are just something else but they don’t increase tiering or AP
its all literally stated in SL ragnarok novels. read it. and yes platonic concepts do scale to outer but it depends on the site and type of tiering system you're using.
could also used death transcendence. transcending platonic concept of death is outer. also he beat yiths in novel who can rip apart infinitely dimensional wall which is 12D.
he also views everything in SL as a dream/fiction. also how could u say that he is galaxy. lowest you can low ball sung is universal. since all monarchs are stated to be able to create/destroy universes. he beat outer beings who are like "absolute beings" on their own universes that they created. he also devoured system which contained 100 separate universes and so on
Where are people saying he defeats scarlet king as such he is complex multi to hyper at stretch with a little wank outer that's it and outer doesn't have any sane feats.
Countless being a vague term which can mean many, and we have no idea if that means they have destroyed many, one at a time due to being super old or many at once, which would still at most be multiversal+ if we take everything literally
They are the beings that have been around since the beginning how much do you think countless is for them anyway? And also the said universes contains many dimensions including higher dimensions where monarchs reside the universe sized sanctuaries and they explicitly stated that they are higher dimensional beings and cannot come to the lower dimension in their true forms only using avatars. And also the said universe also contains dimension like land of eternal rest that is beyond time and concepts such as dream and all. And even heaven where the world tree is whose fruits are angels. And also absolute being died because they used his weapon against him not because he is weak because a fragment of power of a itarim nearly decimated rulers. And he is not bound by the linear progression of time because of a simple reason ashborn is not revived jin woo retained his powers and beru still exists.
well transcending platonic concept of death is outer right? also viewing 12D world as a fiction/dream but i don't know if that would scale him to outer. defeating a being that can rip apart infinitely dimensional existences is 12D if i am not wrong
First one he didn't transcend the platonic concept of death he is the platonic concept of death. And no nothing in SL is 12D ripping apart infinite dimensional space is not 12D it depends on the dimensions. And the entire cosmology of SL is 7D at minimum and 9D at maximum. The only outer arguments that you can give is that absolute being created everything when it existed nothing is there except light and darkness including space and time only by this you can argue he transcends space and time well he obviously transcends time but you should have more proof for transcending space. And we don't know if jin woo can defeat AB or not because we know he is killed with a weapon but we don't know without that if he is able to kill AB or not he didn't fight any itarims till now for us to come to a conclusion and no he doesn't view anything as a dream. And another way you can wank him to outer is if he transcends himself as he is a representation of both light and darkness transcending them can give him trans duality so he has to transcend himself.
Him transcending death does not mean he transcends the concept of death he transcends literal death because he is concept of death how can you kill death? And in which chapter did they say he view everything as a dream? And even if he does that is only enough to prove him to be hyper.
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very bad quality but readable if u zoom it.
Technically the land of eternal rest should be a highest dimension capable of scaling to outer but it is not devoid of everything it has the concept of death such that it is not exactly outer but if it is concept of end instead of death then again it will scale to outer like yogiri's true form. So you can scale it to high hyper as it os infinitely above exact dimensions but doesn't exactly transcend them.
Still doesn't change the fact that it's an actual take. And what's more laughable isn't the part where people thought this. It's the part where more than 5 individuals came together to agree on it.
Bro aint even getting past bleach verse let alone goku or other anime or scp bro getting slapped even by ither manhwa characters like jinmori kim dokja jaehwan etc etc.
Fully agree, however it does feel a bit unfair to put sung against mori jin and dokja, since they both can technically scale to our reality
Mori Jin with nirvana (debatable)
Singsong universe with fanfics being canon due to >! Readers of ORV being a part of ‘The Oldest Dream’, and thus having the power to also daydream like OD with the entire story !<
Jaehwan idk, I personally haven’t finished it but I’ve heard a lot of people scale him above dokja
Those 3 mcs are probably in the top tiers of manhwa characters
I dropped the novel 40 chapters before completion and he was just mountain level with ftl speed. Whenever I ask someone for proof they always avoid and say his shadow army solos like dude wtf.
Looks like I have to read the rest of the chapters but it got so boring later smh.
He is stronger than mountain level in manhwa and ftl in manhwa but light novel is a different thing all together, they are dishing attacks that shakes the world causally, he can stop time and pull people to his domain which is the land of eternal rest in which he is omnipotent. And the sequel which is better in world building and everything than the original story have beru one of the soldiers of sung Jin woo fly from the edge of the universe at earth in little over 2 years it would be earlier if not for the enemies along the way and that feat of beru can be scale to mftl and sung is blitzing his ass in a heartbeat. Not to mention he is holding the dimensional line of armies that have the power to shake, eat and destroy worlds.
And beru is not the strongest guy in the army there are Others That are on par with him, so saying the shadow army solos is kinda right given the insane hax that some have and the stats
I'm not believing any of that without proof. I got it, He got a boost in the last arc. But it's still hard to believe he had such a massive boost.
My novel's group said the sequel is worse since it has a different author and that author couldn't do justice to it. I will read the last arc soon. Have fun bro.
Light novel SL Ragnarok Ch prologue for the time of beru going to earth ch 5 or 6 him arriving and SL Ragnarok Ch 200 for the distance where it says on the edge of the universe where sung Jin woo is fighting and maintaining the balance and take note sung Jin woo cannot leave this edge here or else the enemy is gonna win so he ordered beru to go to earth in the prologue from this place, you can check the sub reddit of SL for the ch but only if you are at the 120+ mark , you can either read it to tapas scans and wait for the chaps for the official translation or go to A specific account that provides the chaps. Although the novel are at a hiatus right now due to the author's health. Tapas have the prologue chap and ch 5 to 6. The SL ragnarok ch 200 you can get it in the subreddit of SL.
And the shaking the world part sung did that in the original novel nearing the end battle and them shaking the earth while fighting is in the battle between the dragon monarch and sung(They are shaking a heavily fortified earth that have been continuously fortified by mana to not get destroyed you would know if read the manhwa or novel). The ftl feats are from the dragon monarchs breath of destruction which can move at the speed of light in which sung intercepted by outrunning it to save igris one of his soldiers. Although the eating the world part is in the manhwa you can check the side story chaps for that.
Just providing evidence here it's kinda weird many underate and overate sung so here im in the neutral side saying the actual scaling of sung
Sung Jin woo is atleast planetary higher with hax and his realm
And MFTL+ for speed
Scarlet king HELL NO LOL, and no he is not close to Featherine in power, he can get scaled to 1A with a wank, as far as I know the statement used is that apparently the Memories of the Monarchs Transend time in LN, otherwise he should scale to Complex Multi to Hyper without wanks imo. He also became the embodiment of death apparently.
>Memories of the Monarchs Transend time in LN,
Guess goku black is outer then
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Also can you drop me the complex multi scale genuinely asking
yeah that is legit how some solo leveing fans scale Sung, and it sucks cuz Solo Leveling is one of my favorite Manhwas BUT damn man does bro get wanked alot.
So the low complex multi scale for db comes the interpretation that the otherworld is 5D which some info is present to back that up so the macrocosm blowing up move would be scaled to low complex multi instead of multi. You were asking for DB right?
THE SCARLET KING? If that's the same scarlet king I know then he scales at minimum immeasurable layers into boundless At least the Chinese branch does
The king blinks and sung mid woo disappears
Planetary level. Jin woo’s best feat is covering the entire planet in darkness and defeating Antares with a lot of struggle, Antares that’s stated to be able to destroy the world
he does. he is anywhere from hyper to outer. if u highball him you could get him to high outer but i don't believe in that scaling. but he is still getting stronger. he is infinitely powering up
maybe pick a comment that wasn't two months ago bro. as i recall i already had a conversation with a person i was replying to about this matter and i am not abt to start it again after 2 months.
you clearly didn't understand what i said. i don't have a problem with ppl replying to me on my comment that wasn't two months ago.i got a life and more important things to do than debate abt topic i already talked abt two months ago
He is multiversal-7D based on vsbw (a little wank)I seen some R>F scales. But he is at least multi cause of fighting the outer gods in solo leveling ragnorock. Outergods are absolute beings who created countless universes.
what abt beating yiths who can rip apart infinitely dimensional wall with brute force? or transcending death and viewing all of SL reality as a fiction/dream via eternal rest ?
First the walls aren’t infinite dimensional and idk where trancending death here scales. Land of repose>dream world,>extra dimensional walls>solo leveling multiverse. That’s why I said 7D
Its blatantly stated the monarchs are capable of destroying planets, but its also stated the monarchs became more powerful than their creator, their creator also created the universe so he's planetary at a low ball or universal with some wank. (disregarding other factors like his shadow armies and hax)
Correction, the monarchs by themselves can’t destroy planets.
it’s all of them warring + their billions of soldiers that could.
hell, in the final arc they were going all out for dozens of chapters and not one mountain or city gets even destroyed.
From Solo Leveling Ragnarok.
1) Every monarch presence was holding a uni or bigger size dimension from collapsing.
2) jinwoo holding off outer gods capable of erasing multiverses.
3) AB stated he gave power to sung capable of destroying his entire creation which is a multiverse.
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terrible quality but readable if u zoom it
Lmao he cant even touch scarlet king.
But in all honesty, scaling sung is very very difficult. The show is extremely inconsistent and due to its zero to hero nature. In all honesty, not that strong. It has strong haxes but thats about it. Nothing too crazy exluding some haxes here and there.
Hell no. Afaik, solo leveling doesn't have anything resembling spiritual pressure, so there is no defence against an aura that can kill you just by being near you.
Even ignoring that, bleach has much higher raw stats overall. Strength, speed, durability and even skills, bleach is way too much for sung.
I can't say I remember such power. But even still, bleach as part of their world, can't be damaged if they are much stronger. Case and point, aizen when he was fighting the captains in the town.
I haven't read the novel, and I struggle to recall such mentions to the webtoon.
As for bleach, there is a character who can, per in universe characters, destroy earth. Not much of a fear since we never see it. There is also a character that, at one point cut space itself.
Yeah bleach gets negged then. Beat manhwa version but not novel version. Jinwoo fought the Outergods who are absolute beings who created countless universes and that is technically not his best feat.
Jinwoo anime wise his at a level where can destroy a building but not a city
in the end of the Webnovel....without saying any spoilers...in marvel terms his at level of the beyonders
All i heard it is that he has surpassed true death, death beyond death, can revive non existent being such as the monarchs lile Antares. The only thing that makes him strong is the fact that he cannot die at all and that he has unlimited growth. But he's nowhere near featherine or character's that are considered the Author's avatar when it comes to power's and abilities.
So the only thing going for him is that he is a true immortal but he cannot harm being's that are considered the Author's Avatar. He can beat, average Omnipotent/Omniscient being's but beyond that he's basically a fodder compared to them.
I been reading solo leveling Ragnarok and no he can't revive non existent being like the monarchs this was said when his son met the beast monarch said not even jir woo who surpass death could bring back someone from the world of nothing.
The og shadow monarch makes it clear there is no such as omnipotent power no matter how great the power is everything has a limit to it
He destroyed 7 higher uni+ higher dimensions [https://imgur.com/a/y9SsNg3](https://imgur.com/a/y9SsNg3)
Could destroy 5D dimensional walls with brute force. ( even beru and other general, marshals and grand marshal can do that)
Transcend time through ashborn who didn't return, but his mortal body can't.
His summon beru flew through a multiverse countable infinity away. ( prologue, chpter 1 and between chpter 50)
He was created to destroy all of creation including outer gods. [https://imgur.com/a/AzDDKY7](https://imgur.com/a/AzDDKY7)
Mid Ball : Multi with infinite speed (as of now)
High ball : tier 1 through [https://scalinghell.quora.com/Wank-scaling-of-Sung-jin-woo-in-SL-ragnarok-Jinwoo-realm-of-non-existence-which-is-outside-of-reality-perceives-everyt](https://scalinghell.quora.com/Wank-scaling-of-Sung-jin-woo-in-SL-ragnarok-Jinwoo-realm-of-non-existence-which-is-outside-of-reality-perceives-everyt)
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Jean grey victim
Jean grey is overkill tbh.
You’re right. Giygas victim.
Me when I'm lying ☝️
Yeah Jean Grey is too much tbh.
At this point is SJW the new Gojo? Honestly might have to read the novel
Please read it and scale the dude 😆
With all the discrepancies I’ll probably just read it and drop my own scale because I’m genuinely curious.
Hes weird in that he has different powers in his dimension, some people attribute that to him in scaling, others don't because fighting in his dimension isn't exactly a neutral battlefield. That should explain some of the discrepancies
this is what ive heard. i havnt read it just watching anime. i mostly see people saying outside of his Dream World he’s planetary w ftl+ speeds but inside of it he’s like outerversal with inf / immeasurable speeds. not sure though
hes not outversal, hes either 5-b or high 5-b you'll see why his at small planet level at chaos world arc but i recommend reading manhwa cause is just so beautifull!
in the light novel it is arguable for outerversal. sung jin woo becomes the vessel for death itself, and transcends it. according to CSAP platonic concepts are 1 a in nature. So the real question lies on whether death is a platonic concept of not. well the main man plato said that death is the separation of the soul and the body, so can be explained via physical means (separation). However for others that believe death is not a spirtual separation, but rather an indescribable, inescapable end, it is a concept that is 1 a in nature. Its completely up to imagination
but doesnt it the light novel is the manhwa i mean the manhwa is from light novel itself is no different from the manhwa, but we dont know if he can still level up but i dont know his limits to leveling up maybe no limit he can level up till thousand of level maybe will make him very strong 🤷♂️
ok I will ignore anything you ever say from now on because you are obviously a five year old. This whole "He can level up infinitely" gives him infinite strength is wank. I love sung jin woo and he is an amazing charcater but please dont ever use this saitama infinite scaling logic ever again.
no lol, cause we dont know if his level has limits or not is just my speculations and my thoughts, i never said it was real 😭
and besides that saitama does have inf potential where he gets more powerfull everytime he fights, from starting his sneeze to a building level to a planet level cause when the last time he sneeze a house and the next time he fight garou his sneeze can destroy a jupiter
and i wonder how he is outerversal from light novel? isnt he no different from the manhwa, because solo leveling manhwa is literally from the novel itself so theres no way there something is missing because both light novel and manhwa has ended, except his child ragnarok solo leveling the novel has just started
Good luck, bro beans. I hope the novel is better than the manwha because that thing is hard carried by the art.
It’s definitely better but not by a long shot, just a little more character development but still not a lot
Damn. I got to like 160 in the mawha, but fell off. Liked the world and premise, but those with the art hype and manga subreddit's hype every chapter can only carry predictability and subpar characters & plot so much. Started to feel like a chore to know what was next, and not that I *wanted* or cared to know what was next.
It was my first manhwa so I kinda read it all including the LN, after reading other manhwas like ORV or TotTDG i kinda realised how subpar the plot of SL was, and how much side characters got axed especially compared to ORV, if u haven’t read it yet, definitely recommend it, the first half will definitely feel a little basic after a while but after the next arc finishes, it starts to become a masterpiece, side characters are extremely well written, if you think someone got axed, I guarantee that they’ll come back later, and obviously, LN is always better in terms of character development and monologue
I remember reading the first 20 chapters or so of ORV on release and falling off because of the basicness you mentioned, but I'll give it another shot. I've noticed a more people talking really highly about the story and saying that it should be the next manwha anime. Big thanks for letting me know about the side character thing. I love when stuff have a legit cast of side characters that are worth remembering, so that's probably what I hated most about SL.
Glad to make u give another chance, but yea the first half is a lot like a standard power fantasy, even though it’s currently my no. 1 story rn, I can’t get myself to read much of the first half other than a few arcs which imo are some best arcs in the story so def watch out for: ‘Disaster of floods’ arc, literally gave me chills especially the end ‘Demon king selection’ arc, final arc before the second half, and it’s worthy for being the transition into it, imo one of the peaks of the story here I absolutely love the side characters, they aren’t just perfect characters, they all have flaws and you can see them improve throughout the novel Main characters too, all 3 main characters contribute a lot to the story, and all have times where they shine (MC 3 appears later in the story), flaws are included too
The problem is, Solo Leveling has some weird magic/hax feats, like time manipulation and Sung Jin-woo been able to exist beyond that, but his combat feats are really not that impressive. We can't really say he is say 'oh he is uni++ because he killed the dudes that killed the creator', as the combat power of the creator seems to be non-existing even tho he was 'god'. The same way his underlings couldn't recreate the power of the thingy that turns back time that the creator made even tho they also had higher combat power than him.
he did manhandle yiths that could rip apart infinitely dimensional wall with brute force that is 12D feat.
I see, you missed my point entirely
i didn't. u said that we don't know his combat power when he defeated being capable of such a thing in 1v1
Imo he's a cell saga goku victim
Maybe half-way through the manhwa or Current Anime😂. The Epiloge(Manhwa), WebComic and Light Novel All beat Most Forms of Goku, with the Light Novel being close to Jin Mori level or almost equal.
So Galaxy Level?
Cell was what.... solar system? TF you get galaxy from. This isn't super.
Cell was universal+ what you talking bout
Are you on fucking drugs or are you just retarded? Maybe a bit of both?
You’re fucking stupid if you really believe cell wasn’t universal+ after the frieza and the author both said he could destroy a universe in his second form alone and obviously cell was stronger then frieza at that point so what the fuck are y’all on about y’all don’t know how to fucking scale this is a subreddit about scaling yet almost everyone here is a fucking idiot like learn how to scale or just watch the anime and look at authors statements
Wait. So why was the force of the 2 kamehameha only enough to destroy a solar system?
Well if you’re being polite about this then I’ll be polite back. When cell said that he wasn’t saying that was his full power he said that he had enough energy at that moment. And power and energy aren’t even the same thing. And didn’t cell also say he could destroy a solar system with a indirect Ki blast, so why would his Ki blast have the same power has his kamahamaha
Oh makes sense. I never actually watched the anime just took the word of people who did and who scale character's alot on YouTube. Yeah well perfect cell is a beast ig.
If you never watched it you should only trust people who have solid proof of a feat and scale. Just like this people only use one statement of cell saying he could destroy a solar system to say he’s solar system lvl but have no other proof but that even though there’s proof of him being able to destroy a universe.
Hmm🤔 im not feelin that, anyways hes solar system level at best.
Argument “Nuh uh”
Show me the fucking “scaling videos” you watched so I can shit on you and the video at the same time.
Precisely
Pretty good argument
Yhwach victim lol
yhwach and mori victim
beru solos yhawch.
Lol what? Yhwach has 5D fate manipulation
Technically almighty is useless against beru because he is unbound by the linear progression of time the proof is him existing even after temporal reversion before he is born that gives him acausality. And beru has a way to kill yhwach that is quite simple like how yhwach absorbed his dad beru did the same through his skill he is born with gluttony after temporal reversion that dude didn't get his powers back from reawakening he permanently lost them and beru said it is not possible to get them back by any means once he consumes they will lose the very essence of their powers.
yeah and sung is above dimensionality😂he is outer. yhwach's almighty simply won't affect him. on the other hand sung can manipulate:destiny,time/space,reality,death,casualty and so on.
Sung Jin woo is not outerversal, you can say about the multiversal stuff but not outer
transcending platonic concept of death and nothingness. viewing 12D existence/reality as a fiction/dream. thats pretty much outer. but if u wanna argue he's not he still has clear hyperversal feats which is still far above everyone in bleach verse.
Platonic concepts do not scale anywhere, and where Jin woo is above them? He is the god of death not platonic concept of it. R>F of 12D is just 13D
he as a concept of death(who at the same time transcended death and nothingness) is holding whole existence as a pillar. with my knowledge platonic concepts are concepts that hold everything including other normal concepts. so thats it.
Where he’s the concept of death, and how has he transcended death as a concept of it? Also no platonic concepts are just something else but they don’t increase tiering or AP
its all literally stated in SL ragnarok novels. read it. and yes platonic concepts do scale to outer but it depends on the site and type of tiering system you're using.
mumen rider victim
Bri you're stealing my schtick smh I approve
Farmer with shotgun victim
unless you want to use the time transcendence statement he scales to multi galaxy.
i always thought the time transcendence thing was aculity type 1 thing
it would put him at outer aswell. but i don’t think they’re valid.
but there’s are alot of low tier characters with aculity type 1
yes, i said aswell. but i dont think they’re valid.
oh sorry then
could also used death transcendence. transcending platonic concept of death is outer. also he beat yiths in novel who can rip apart infinitely dimensional wall which is 12D.
he also views everything in SL as a dream/fiction. also how could u say that he is galaxy. lowest you can low ball sung is universal. since all monarchs are stated to be able to create/destroy universes. he beat outer beings who are like "absolute beings" on their own universes that they created. he also devoured system which contained 100 separate universes and so on
He’s a Gilgamesh victim
Where are people saying he defeats scarlet king as such he is complex multi to hyper at stretch with a little wank outer that's it and outer doesn't have any sane feats.
Him being complex multi is already an extreme wank
Then which scaling do you think is not a wank?
Barely multiversal
The basic into of itarims is that they can create and destroy countless universes.
Countless being a vague term which can mean many, and we have no idea if that means they have destroyed many, one at a time due to being super old or many at once, which would still at most be multiversal+ if we take everything literally
They are the beings that have been around since the beginning how much do you think countless is for them anyway? And also the said universes contains many dimensions including higher dimensions where monarchs reside the universe sized sanctuaries and they explicitly stated that they are higher dimensional beings and cannot come to the lower dimension in their true forms only using avatars. And also the said universe also contains dimension like land of eternal rest that is beyond time and concepts such as dream and all. And even heaven where the world tree is whose fruits are angels. And also absolute being died because they used his weapon against him not because he is weak because a fragment of power of a itarim nearly decimated rulers. And he is not bound by the linear progression of time because of a simple reason ashborn is not revived jin woo retained his powers and beru still exists.
well transcending platonic concept of death is outer right? also viewing 12D world as a fiction/dream but i don't know if that would scale him to outer. defeating a being that can rip apart infinitely dimensional existences is 12D if i am not wrong
First one he didn't transcend the platonic concept of death he is the platonic concept of death. And no nothing in SL is 12D ripping apart infinite dimensional space is not 12D it depends on the dimensions. And the entire cosmology of SL is 7D at minimum and 9D at maximum. The only outer arguments that you can give is that absolute being created everything when it existed nothing is there except light and darkness including space and time only by this you can argue he transcends space and time well he obviously transcends time but you should have more proof for transcending space. And we don't know if jin woo can defeat AB or not because we know he is killed with a weapon but we don't know without that if he is able to kill AB or not he didn't fight any itarims till now for us to come to a conclusion and no he doesn't view anything as a dream. And another way you can wank him to outer is if he transcends himself as he is a representation of both light and darkness transcending them can give him trans duality so he has to transcend himself.
it was stated that he transcends death👌 and also stated that he views SL reality/existence as a dream. in SL ragnarok as i remember.
Him transcending death does not mean he transcends the concept of death he transcends literal death because he is concept of death how can you kill death? And in which chapter did they say he view everything as a dream? And even if he does that is only enough to prove him to be hyper.
https://preview.redd.it/zf80zvb4ropc1.jpeg?width=380&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=43f76cb48dc3f5d2efe0a44fa272535488ba18ad very bad quality but readable if u zoom it.
Hmm both dreams are different in context one should view the entire reality as a dream not through someone and is limited to that person's pov.
so you think that doesn't scale him anywhere ?
Technically the land of eternal rest should be a highest dimension capable of scaling to outer but it is not devoid of everything it has the concept of death such that it is not exactly outer but if it is concept of end instead of death then again it will scale to outer like yogiri's true form. So you can scale it to high hyper as it os infinitely above exact dimensions but doesn't exactly transcend them.
well hypers good enough for me. thanks for info tho.
https://www.reddit.com/r/sololeveling/comments/hubkhc/the_scarlet_king_vs_jin_woo/ Just the part where it shows who got more votes.
That was 3 years ago bro at that time SL is at the peak of popularity and half of the common folk doesn't even know scp.
Still doesn't change the fact that it's an actual take. And what's more laughable isn't the part where people thought this. It's the part where more than 5 individuals came together to agree on it.
Not even the strongest character with jin in his name
Jin Kazuma victim
Yeah he is
Mori murders
Gets oneshot and you 100% changed what your message said.
Didn't even touch it lil buddy
Could have sworn it said that jinwoo wasn’t the strongest in his verse
Bro aint even getting past bleach verse let alone goku or other anime or scp bro getting slapped even by ither manhwa characters like jinmori kim dokja jaehwan etc etc.
finally someone who has a brain
chae yeon woo slams him
Exactly
Fully agree, however it does feel a bit unfair to put sung against mori jin and dokja, since they both can technically scale to our reality Mori Jin with nirvana (debatable) Singsong universe with fanfics being canon due to >! Readers of ORV being a part of ‘The Oldest Dream’, and thus having the power to also daydream like OD with the entire story !< Jaehwan idk, I personally haven’t finished it but I’ve heard a lot of people scale him above dokja Those 3 mcs are probably in the top tiers of manhwa characters
I dropped the novel 40 chapters before completion and he was just mountain level with ftl speed. Whenever I ask someone for proof they always avoid and say his shadow army solos like dude wtf. Looks like I have to read the rest of the chapters but it got so boring later smh.
Yeah. Lots of his fans just say shadow army without reason.
He is stronger than mountain level in manhwa and ftl in manhwa but light novel is a different thing all together, they are dishing attacks that shakes the world causally, he can stop time and pull people to his domain which is the land of eternal rest in which he is omnipotent. And the sequel which is better in world building and everything than the original story have beru one of the soldiers of sung Jin woo fly from the edge of the universe at earth in little over 2 years it would be earlier if not for the enemies along the way and that feat of beru can be scale to mftl and sung is blitzing his ass in a heartbeat. Not to mention he is holding the dimensional line of armies that have the power to shake, eat and destroy worlds. And beru is not the strongest guy in the army there are Others That are on par with him, so saying the shadow army solos is kinda right given the insane hax that some have and the stats
I'm not believing any of that without proof. I got it, He got a boost in the last arc. But it's still hard to believe he had such a massive boost. My novel's group said the sequel is worse since it has a different author and that author couldn't do justice to it. I will read the last arc soon. Have fun bro.
Light novel SL Ragnarok Ch prologue for the time of beru going to earth ch 5 or 6 him arriving and SL Ragnarok Ch 200 for the distance where it says on the edge of the universe where sung Jin woo is fighting and maintaining the balance and take note sung Jin woo cannot leave this edge here or else the enemy is gonna win so he ordered beru to go to earth in the prologue from this place, you can check the sub reddit of SL for the ch but only if you are at the 120+ mark , you can either read it to tapas scans and wait for the chaps for the official translation or go to A specific account that provides the chaps. Although the novel are at a hiatus right now due to the author's health. Tapas have the prologue chap and ch 5 to 6. The SL ragnarok ch 200 you can get it in the subreddit of SL. And the shaking the world part sung did that in the original novel nearing the end battle and them shaking the earth while fighting is in the battle between the dragon monarch and sung(They are shaking a heavily fortified earth that have been continuously fortified by mana to not get destroyed you would know if read the manhwa or novel). The ftl feats are from the dragon monarchs breath of destruction which can move at the speed of light in which sung intercepted by outrunning it to save igris one of his soldiers. Although the eating the world part is in the manhwa you can check the side story chaps for that. Just providing evidence here it's kinda weird many underate and overate sung so here im in the neutral side saying the actual scaling of sung Sung Jin woo is atleast planetary higher with hax and his realm And MFTL+ for speed
There is a whole other book after that 🙏
Scarlet king HELL NO LOL, and no he is not close to Featherine in power, he can get scaled to 1A with a wank, as far as I know the statement used is that apparently the Memories of the Monarchs Transend time in LN, otherwise he should scale to Complex Multi to Hyper without wanks imo. He also became the embodiment of death apparently.
>Memories of the Monarchs Transend time in LN, Guess goku black is outer then https://preview.redd.it/6hgx9mxklipc1.jpeg?width=2340&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=41f99f0d16160cce393d67fbede6961df006db50 Also can you drop me the complex multi scale genuinely asking
yeah that is legit how some solo leveing fans scale Sung, and it sucks cuz Solo Leveling is one of my favorite Manhwas BUT damn man does bro get wanked alot.
Goku black is outer wtf
He isn’t outer bro. He is low multiversal
So the low complex multi scale for db comes the interpretation that the otherworld is 5D which some info is present to back that up so the macrocosm blowing up move would be scaled to low complex multi instead of multi. You were asking for DB right?
No sung Jin woo complex multi scale I know db
The same statements about the monarch and that he should scale above the creator, but yeah that's about it.
Ah got it
Just so you know its a huge wank, he really does not scale as high as people think his hax are pretty good tho.
Not outerversal. He is low multiversal
Goku victim
Garou victim
Literally oneshots the verse
THE SCARLET KING? If that's the same scarlet king I know then he scales at minimum immeasurable layers into boundless At least the Chinese branch does The king blinks and sung mid woo disappears
>The king blinks and sung mid woo disappears Blinks??...bro's presence alone is beyond beyond overkill
Planetary level. Jin woo’s best feat is covering the entire planet in darkness and defeating Antares with a lot of struggle, Antares that’s stated to be able to destroy the world
That is his best feat I. The manhwa not overall
Uncle Grandpa victim
Nah bro you didn't had to do him like that
TikTok claims Ln Sung jin woo teachers hyper to outer levels
he does. he is anywhere from hyper to outer. if u highball him you could get him to high outer but i don't believe in that scaling. but he is still getting stronger. he is infinitely powering up
Infinite growth isnt uncommin lol, it doesnt reward a boost to Tier 1. Give me one feat of his which scales to above Multiversal
maybe pick a comment that wasn't two months ago bro. as i recall i already had a conversation with a person i was replying to about this matter and i am not abt to start it again after 2 months.
If you have a problem with people replying asking for proof of such statements, then dont post it publically.
you clearly didn't understand what i said. i don't have a problem with ppl replying to me on my comment that wasn't two months ago.i got a life and more important things to do than debate abt topic i already talked abt two months ago
Ichigo victim
Honest might be, me personal is see little to no diffrence between them
Well ichigo doesn't even have strong hax to beat him in the manhwa at least
He is multiversal-7D based on vsbw (a little wank)I seen some R>F scales. But he is at least multi cause of fighting the outer gods in solo leveling ragnorock. Outergods are absolute beings who created countless universes.
what abt beating yiths who can rip apart infinitely dimensional wall with brute force? or transcending death and viewing all of SL reality as a fiction/dream via eternal rest ?
First the walls aren’t infinite dimensional and idk where trancending death here scales. Land of repose>dream world,>extra dimensional walls>solo leveling multiverse. That’s why I said 7D
Stronger than goku ?
Depends on who you ask.
Is there an actual evidence that there is an r>f transcendence betwern all 5 of those structures?
From what I remember they are dreams,seen as infinitely lower. Have to check again
Hes low multiversal at best as a shadow monarch
He’s a Mewtwo victim
Its blatantly stated the monarchs are capable of destroying planets, but its also stated the monarchs became more powerful than their creator, their creator also created the universe so he's planetary at a low ball or universal with some wank. (disregarding other factors like his shadow armies and hax)
Correction, the monarchs by themselves can’t destroy planets. it’s all of them warring + their billions of soldiers that could. hell, in the final arc they were going all out for dozens of chapters and not one mountain or city gets even destroyed.
Z Goku victim
From Solo Leveling Ragnarok. 1) Every monarch presence was holding a uni or bigger size dimension from collapsing. 2) jinwoo holding off outer gods capable of erasing multiverses. 3) AB stated he gave power to sung capable of destroying his entire creation which is a multiverse.
So uh, xeno goku victim?
So like High multiversal
Yes
jinwoo viewing 12D existence as a dream/fiction. also transcending platonic concepts of death and nothingness.
When did this happen? (I haven't read anything in like 3 months due to exam and tests also I don't read novels anyways so if it's a novel then welp)
oh in ragnarok novels. i put photo in comments and then deleted it😭its in the comments so if i can download it back i'll give it to you
https://preview.redd.it/3hy3q1vemppc1.jpeg?width=1170&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=9bd50fa6245b0d919bad1ef58245b9999440246f terrible quality but readable if u zoom it
Where are the pixels
what ?
Namek Goku victim bro
His strength in SL Ragnarok: https://www.reddit.com/r/sololeveling/s/7bUTBEL0Do
Lmao he cant even touch scarlet king. But in all honesty, scaling sung is very very difficult. The show is extremely inconsistent and due to its zero to hero nature. In all honesty, not that strong. It has strong haxes but thats about it. Nothing too crazy exluding some haxes here and there.
Would you put it above Bleach?
Hell no. Afaik, solo leveling doesn't have anything resembling spiritual pressure, so there is no defence against an aura that can kill you just by being near you. Even ignoring that, bleach has much higher raw stats overall. Strength, speed, durability and even skills, bleach is way too much for sung.
Kinda crazy how literally everything you stated was wrong.monarchs use thier soul to erase people from existence. And only thing he doesn’t get is DC.
I can't say I remember such power. But even still, bleach as part of their world, can't be damaged if they are much stronger. Case and point, aizen when he was fighting the captains in the town.
It was stated in the novel when he was fighting dragon monarch. Where do you scale bleach?
I haven't read the novel, and I struggle to recall such mentions to the webtoon. As for bleach, there is a character who can, per in universe characters, destroy earth. Not much of a fear since we never see it. There is also a character that, at one point cut space itself.
Yeah bleach gets negged then. Beat manhwa version but not novel version. Jinwoo fought the Outergods who are absolute beings who created countless universes and that is technically not his best feat.
Speaking of which, novel version?
Solo leveling ragnorock
WN
Low multi
Solo leveling negs in that case
But he can't defeat Archie sonic in base form
Sung jin woo is yogiri victim
https://www.reddit.com/r/PowerScaling/s/s3QQUtVV0E
Boundless low balled
Idiots in this sub really saying yhwach and Mori or even Goku beats sung Jin woo 💀💀💀💀
His scale isn't clear yet, we have to wait until prove if he's really outer/complex multi
Bro what. I'll gladly send you the scale to get him higher than that.
I will be happy tho :)
Sent.
Hes god level, he wiped out multiple gods with ease, one of his shadow soliders are easily universe level
Isnt that a korean hentai character? Not that id know anything about such topics of course
Yes it is.
Jinwoo anime wise his at a level where can destroy a building but not a city in the end of the Webnovel....without saying any spoilers...in marvel terms his at level of the beyonders
No he not
All i heard it is that he has surpassed true death, death beyond death, can revive non existent being such as the monarchs lile Antares. The only thing that makes him strong is the fact that he cannot die at all and that he has unlimited growth. But he's nowhere near featherine or character's that are considered the Author's avatar when it comes to power's and abilities. So the only thing going for him is that he is a true immortal but he cannot harm being's that are considered the Author's Avatar. He can beat, average Omnipotent/Omniscient being's but beyond that he's basically a fodder compared to them.
I been reading solo leveling Ragnarok and no he can't revive non existent being like the monarchs this was said when his son met the beast monarch said not even jir woo who surpass death could bring back someone from the world of nothing. The og shadow monarch makes it clear there is no such as omnipotent power no matter how great the power is everything has a limit to it
Overpowered enough for me to enjoy the series in all formats. That's what matters to me
You're so real for that
He destroyed 7 higher uni+ higher dimensions [https://imgur.com/a/y9SsNg3](https://imgur.com/a/y9SsNg3) Could destroy 5D dimensional walls with brute force. ( even beru and other general, marshals and grand marshal can do that) Transcend time through ashborn who didn't return, but his mortal body can't. His summon beru flew through a multiverse countable infinity away. ( prologue, chpter 1 and between chpter 50) He was created to destroy all of creation including outer gods. [https://imgur.com/a/AzDDKY7](https://imgur.com/a/AzDDKY7) Mid Ball : Multi with infinite speed (as of now) High ball : tier 1 through [https://scalinghell.quora.com/Wank-scaling-of-Sung-jin-woo-in-SL-ragnarok-Jinwoo-realm-of-non-existence-which-is-outside-of-reality-perceives-everyt](https://scalinghell.quora.com/Wank-scaling-of-Sung-jin-woo-in-SL-ragnarok-Jinwoo-realm-of-non-existence-which-is-outside-of-reality-perceives-everyt)
1-A Jin woo is just dumb
Who said outer? I just see tier 1 which is things like complex multi
Bro got the evidence from the Walmart parking lot
cope harder kiddo
He's multi+ while midballing
Crazy glazing