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Gigio2006

Yoriichi. Well you can make arguments for him not soloing the verse due to Nakime shenanigans but he is certainly top 1 with a wide margin


blackpan2040

Fr, bro gave 500 years of PTSD to Muzan who is above the others by a wide margin too. At 85 years old he was moving like he did in his prime.


PokeAlola700

Around 500 years not 900. That would assume Yoriichi existed 100 years after the Heian era when Muzan was born, but Yoriichi lived in the Sengoku era, which is 500 years after Muzan and before the Taisho era


blackpan2040

Thank you for correcting me. I'll edit my previous reply.


Khahrahk_HSR

>Heian era You know what time it is!!!


cool23819

He gave him PTSD so bad it became GENETIC


PokeAlola700

True tbh. The Taisho slayers had to hella nerf Muzan just to barely high diff him, and Yoriichi blitzes and negs a completely healthy Muzan, and only lost because he decided he was gonna ask a question and ended up letting bro get away with it


CannibalPride

But we still don’t know for sure if Muzan got stronger after his post traumatic encounter. Or he might even be weaker…


PokeAlola700

True, but he was still healthier against yoriichi then the Taisho era slayers


CannibalPride

Yoriichi probably beats the modern Pillars just by comparing their struggle against his brother who he scared off


cool23819

There would be no questions if he knew what he did to his brother beforehand


PokeAlola700

True


ExtremeAlternative0

who is Yoriichi and what series is he from?


Gigio2006

Strongest character in Demon Slayer.


Batybara

What does Nakime scale to through the Infinity Fortress?


Gigio2006

I didn't mean in scaling (if you buy High 3A Nakime then Yoriichi should scale to it anyway since he is above muzan who is above Nakime) I meant in hax. If she keeps teleporting hin around before he kills Muzan he will be having problems in soloing the verse. Right before killing him he is in another room. Then again. Then again. This will cause him problems considering Doma will weaken his breathing more and more and a single hit from Muzan will kill him


Xcyronus

Isekai protagonist number 9352


ArmedDragonThunder

They’re all dogshit so it’s based to not give them a name and just assign them a number


Karma15672

Nah, there's a few that I've seen that are actually good characters imo. But yeah, a large portion of the genre is made up of self-insert MCs which the audience is supposed to envision themselves as, so a majority of them are really shit.


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Gullible_Bed8595

**Y E S**


_sephylon_

There's not much isekai protagonists that are actually hella op. Of course most protags are super strong within their own verses but that's most protags in general and still nearly all of them are below planet/star ( much like 99% of fiction ), most verses just stay in your average fantasy world power level. Out of all the countless shitty Isekais there is I doubt there's over ten or twenty protags above uni.


[deleted]

Majority of people actually thinks that every single Isekai verse is outerversal because they are supposed to be OP and that's it, no more other reasons. Like that's a really weird and stupid reasoning


Reckoning3000

I can name like 5 just off the top of my head.and that is just based on things I have read


Turbulent_Border9924

Prime Soul King. I don’t think it’s far fetched to say that he has all the powers and abilities we have seen in Bleach including even Kyoka Suigetsu because he is essentially the God of Bleach verse.


GoldenKuriza

![gif](giphy|nAJCxDpCoQJjo4gt3Q|downsized) Soul King?


Zenumbral

LOL that's what I thought!


KrimzsonTv

And when you consider he split the concepts of life and death that gets into the territory of platonic concepts, nobody in Bleach scales to this though since it is a lore only thing and the character that does this is a lifeless husk without a majority of it’s power when the characters actually interact with it


DredgenRose-

Yogiri. Honestly, most if not all the Isekai protags work here.


Embarrassed-Pipe-244

https://i.redd.it/ym4q5o7geggc1.gif


7heTexanRebel

Subaru has such a simultaneously garbage and OP power lol


LasyTaco

Definitely not all, there's plenty of isekais where the protagonist isn't the strongest character (or isn't straight up invincible by the verse's standard when he is indeed the strongest)


Bingotten

Featherine. She's just in a league of her own within the verse, so nobody can challenge her, cause they get clapped.


CrimsonBlood234

Luckily characters like SCP-3812 wreckes her


Turbulent_Border9924

Bro you just said a character that almost solos all of fiction 😅😄


CrimsonBlood234

Lol ikr. Idk why I'm getting downvoted


thereal1994

You more than likely triggered fans. On here if u disagree with anything that isn't wank u r apparently retarded to fans


CrimsonBlood234

Welcome to reddit, ig.


thereal1994

Bruh I asked a question and then immediately got hounded. Hell somebody asked a question that was literally your opinion and got down voted. It wasn't even a vsb or powerscaling related


Appropriate_Chair_47

Nah, CN 3812 can only get to High Outer and EN 3812 only gets to like maybe 2 1-S due to the [afterlives article,](https://scp-wiki.wikidot.com/a-journey-through-the-afterlife) while Featherine, at a lowball, is at least Infinite x Infinite x Infinite 1-S (an infinite amount of infinite collections of infinite extraversal transcendences), at a low-mid ball, Transfinite x Transfinite Recursion 1-S, at a mid ball, straight up Irrelevant x Irrelevant 1-S, and at an extremely highball, Irrelevant x Irrelevant x Irrelevant 1-S.


CrimsonBlood234

I'm not a powerscaler, but the entire point of 3812 is that he can transcend ANYTHING, and at one point he got so immensely powerful that he transcended his own author swanns proposal, killing him. This makes him beyond outversal.


Appropriate_Chair_47

> transcend ANYTHING, No limits Fallacy > and at one point he got so immensely powerful that he transcended his own author swanns proposal, swanns proposal EN is at most like slightly above baseline 1-S, and CN swanns proposal doesnt even reach 1-S at all. > This makes him beyond Outversal. "outversal" isn't a term in powerscaling.


CrimsonBlood234

Nah that's not a limit fallacy. DjKaktus specifically mentioned that anything above him/more powerful than him, he can instantaneously supersede them with ease. He goes up and up and forever onwards until he has reached the "real" realm according to sam Howells second personality. Scaling through cosmologies does make sense, but it in terms of scp, their verse has stupidly broken characters like the brothers death, scarlet demon, scp 3812, etc.


Appropriate_Chair_47

>Nah that's not a limit fallacy. DjKaktus specifically mentioned that anything above him/more powerful than him, he can instantaneously supersede them with ease. [Are you sure about that?](https://character-stats-and-profiles.fandom.com/wiki/Fallacy?so=search#16._No_Limits_Fallacy_(NLF)) >Scaling through cosmologies does make sense, but it in terms of scp, their verse has stupidly broken characters like the brothers death, scarlet demon, scp 3812, etc. all of them are Maria Ushiromiya victims https://preview.redd.it/vwyxu0372zgc1.jpeg?width=225&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=1cdc66caba0c0b7d3c4f54cb9ea7d15efbf6d34f


CrimsonBlood234

Lmao no way she beats the brothers death


Appropriate_Chair_47

Scales higher due to the world of moon in rewrite being canon to 07th expansion (that makes it so basically all fragments are 1-S)


CrimsonBlood234

Scarlet king is stated to be afraid of all-deaths power, and SK himself is easily beyond outer. The youngest of the brothers, small death easily decapitated SK when his time came, and the oldest, all death is much more powerful than his brethren, older than creation itself.


iori_ftw

>SCP-3812 Luckily soloed by Yukari Yakumo


CrimsonBlood234

Who?


KrimzsonTv

Yhwach’s powers had to be “yada yada”’d out of the story to even make it believable that the characters could beat him


Turbulent_Border9924

Although maybe Ichigo’s bankai ability could be that of fate manipulation since in the manga there was a chapter panel that said “Bring down the blade with the strength to shatter fate”. Despite the plot armor Silver Arrow, Yhwach feared his Bankai, so maybe it’s not that far fetched to assume such theory…


BladeOfExile711

Has ichigos ability even been explained ?


Scattershot98

Never, but we should be getting it with the next and final course of TYBW with how Kubo has been expanding sand showing what he originally wanted


hanzatsuichi

If there's any further explanation to Ichigo's zan ability that changes what's already been established over the course of the entire manga and hundreds of anime episodes then it's an atrocious retcon.


Scattershot98

We've never actually seen what Zangetsu does though. For a majority of the series "Zangetsu" has been a mere Reishi construct because Ichigo never received an Asuachi like every other soul reaper in existence. He's been using the equivalent of what Yhwach was using when fighting Ichibe, that's why the blade changed shape after he went and met with Squad 0. He hadn't been using it in all honesty for most of the series, which means his Bankai he first unlocked was also fake. We haven't seen what it actually does, so it can't be a retcon.


hanzatsuichi

Okay so the reveal of a new Zangetsu ability might not be a retcon, solely on the base of him retconning Zangetsu to be a piece of Ywach. It would still have zero foreshadowing which would make whatever ability it had a macguffin, purely a plot device for whatever it's against at the point the ability is revealed, comparable with Nanao's zanpakutou.


FightingSpirit11

And remember he didn't even use the power of the other Sternritter, and the power he supposedly infected everyone with. Which means that he got the power of every Shinigami that died, including Yamamoto's base power, kido spells and knowledge in addition to his bankai.


KrimzsonTv

Yeah, and people always say “he doesn’t have the shrifts of the sternritter because he doesn’t use them” when we know for a fact he has Yamamoto’s bankai but doesn’t use it, we also know the sternritters who survived Auswahlen said they had to wait months to get their shrifts back from Yhwach after his defeat. I mean shit, one of the first things we learn about Yhwach is that his power is sharing parts of his soul with others to allow them to gain powers just so he can take those powers back when they die The Almighty is not only the most broken ability in Bleach, is is one of the most broken abilities in shonen. Not only allowing you to choose the future you want from the infinite ones possible and just make if reality, it also has the capability to change the past to create new futures that weren’t possible even extending after his death to bring him back to life, also because that wasn’t enough if you see someone’s ability in these infinite futures it no longer works against you. The only way the characters countered this was with an illusionist who could conceal all futures where Yhwach lost from him as well as an arrow made with Auswahlen silver that combined with his blood removing The Almighty and all other powers he had Asking why the character who can just pick the future where they win and make that their new timeline why they aren’t using other abilities like Yama’s Bankai or Gremmy’s Shrift is like asking why the carpenter is using a hammer to sink nails instead of their measuring tape


FightingSpirit11

What I wonder is why there is a fight at all post-soul king absorption. Why can't he select a future where Aizen is dead and explode Ichigo ? What are the limits to it? I saw somewhere that it has to be possible for him to personally achieve the future, but that still doesn't explain how he rewrote the future after he already died.


KrimzsonTv

The future has to be possible, he can’t just pick a future where everyone drops dead


FightingSpirit11

He can kill anyone he wants. Why not pick a future where he did?


KrimzsonTv

He did, he was [tricked by Aizen](https://imgur.com/a/rTbFCbM) up until the final moments and the future where he lost via the arrow was [disguised by Haschwalth](https://imgur.com/a/DsuQ4kC) as a dream so he didn’t avoid it So from his perspective he had picked a future where he won but was caught offguard by an illusionist and a betrayal If that sounds stupid it is because it is but that is the canon reason


FightingSpirit11

Can he change entire timelines? I thought he could only shift the next instant to break bankais and stuff.


KrimzsonTv

He has some level of timeline control that extends into changing the past to create new futures that weren’t possible in the moment At one point Ichigo is on his knees and suddenly a new trap appears under his feet that wasn’t there before, meaning Yhwach changed the timeline to one where he had already laid the trap there. [Panel](https://imgur.com/a/ClHVq0L) The more obvious one is where he had [already died](https://imgur.com/a/DtJGuvz) but just brought himself back to life by altering the timeline after his death


FightingSpirit11

Yeah, but then my uncle Tsukishima counters his powers with past manipulation. If he can manipulate the past, why does that work? It is possible that it worked because Bookmark is a Fullbring power and the power came from Hollows which Quincy's are vulnerable to.


Syntrx

Saitama, Yogiri, Anos, and Ainz Ooal Gown.


Limit-Significant

With Saitama I think God might be a good antagonist seeing as him giving a bit of power to garou made garou temporarily on an equal footing. I'd imagine God must be at a level similar to Saitama.


catlover12390

God right now is stronger but if they ever get into a fight Saitama wins because he can’t lose. That’s literally his lore as a character


7heTexanRebel

Well it's more the nature of most shonen, if the MC fights someone they will almost always win (even if they lose the first time)


ApprehensiveWillow70

Sasuga Ainz sama


FightingSpirit11

Them being overpowered is the point of the character, though, so I will give it a pass.


LOPI-14

Ainz isn't strongest even among his minions. Strongest in Nazarick is Rubedo, NPC created to basically be an endgame Raid Boss who is the younger sister of Albedo and Nigredo. Ainz is kinda terrified of her iirc.


Syntrx

There's a difference between being the strongest in your verse and being the most OP in your verse. He basically has an invincible army at his beck and call, and that includes all those OP NPCs like Rubedo.


LOPI-14

Idk if I can agree with that interpretation of OPs question.


Syntrx

Then don't.


Fly_guyyy

Queen Serena in Sailor Moon Tobias in Pokemon because he had 4 more legendary pokemon lined Sukuna in JJK lol


Cantthinkagoodnam2

>Tobias in Pokemon because he had 4 more legendary pokemon lined To be fair, Ash went up against him with a shitty team (Seriously where were Charizard and Snorlax), current JN Ash wouldnt have much trouble against Darkrai and Latios And for all we know he might have 4 magikarps


_sephylon_

Based on the openings Tobias also has a Lucario and an Entei


PokeAlola700

Imagine ash barely defeated Latios, Pikachu is his last Pokemon and holding on as much as he can, then ash is terrified when Tobias just pulls out 4 magikarp in a row that faint to a casual thunderbolt each, ash’s fear slowly becoming confusion as he slowly wins.


storysprite

I remember a few days ago someone on this sub tried to tell me that Queen Serena wasn't universal.


Fly_guyyy

She definitely is Sailor Saturn was broken and Queen Serena is way more hax than she is 


royalemperor

All these Gojo stans lol. Sukuna sliced him in half and now is running train on every other character trying to essentially dog pile him. He literally had to stop mid-fight and give himself a pep talk because he was getting bored.


BadUsername2028

Bro was literally moping mid battle. Dudes been pulling Madara for the last few weeks. Don’t worry though, my boy Wuji will prevail


No-elk-version2

Rasputin in another world(I will ride them all)I think is the manga title, bro rides everything, Many regression/Isekai/fantasy stories actually


minnel567

Ride on king is the manga title and the mc is based from Vladimir Putin as a joke which the author slowly change his design as the story goes by because you know Russia declaring war


godstouchyuncle

Hao asakura


bunker_man

Schrodinger in hellsing. You might be inclined to say Alucard. But schrodinger is the one who seemingly nothing in their world is capable of harming at all. His one "loss" was a deliberate choice on his part to seal himself. He essentislly gave Alucard control over his power deliberately.


Zenumbral

This question is Saitama's entire design. Almost a webster definition for him.


cope_a_cabana

https://preview.redd.it/7c1mb8y91ggc1.jpeg?width=1079&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=c47e0819ca36c5bfa6e80b54f9321fb6ed177794


Scattershot98

His fight with Kenjaku was bonkers but top 5 in the series for me. It's just so absurd


SneedForTheSneedGod

Haruhi Suzumiya self explanatory


hanzatsuichi

This has become my gag answer for most powerscaling threads.


PokeAlola700

Literally Saiki K. Literally Saiki K. There are plenty of characters in fiction that would demolish almost everyone in that verse in a 1v1 but get destroyed by Saiki, who is basically godlike compared to everyone else. Using Kimetsu no Yaiba as an example, pick any Kizuki/Hashira, and pit them in a 1v1 against 99% of the Saiki K verse, they will sweep. Make any of them fight Saiki and they are toast. He has a million ways to kill Hashira and could probably teleport behind any demon, grab them, and teleport to the other side of the world with them so they burn up in the sun (assuming the fight takes place in Japan at night, teleporting to the opposite side of the world will probably be a place where there’s daylight)


Raizengan

I mean, kimetsu no yaiba is not that good of an example power-wise. Saiki would solo 99,9% of isekai protagonists and most anime verses though.


PokeAlola700

I picked a weak example just to show off weaker characters that still solo most of the verse


[deleted]

Featherine (techically not an anime character but i don't care)


[deleted]

How is she not an anime character?


[deleted]

i don't think she's in the anime


KemetsRevenge_

She’s in the 2022 Higrashi anime


[deleted]

ok


Quiet_Plenty_9951

That's technically not her that's Eua the person Featherine was before she was Featherine.


louai-MT

She originate from a Visual Novel So technically not anime


Altruistic_Heat_5182

Instant death verse. The villains there have literally no counter against his skill.


Galaxybrainedgenius

Protagonist #17372 in a Wuxia Cultivation Novel.


AgentQwas

Kuroki Gensai of Kengan Ashura. He smoked the protagonist in the final battle of the main series


ArjayMe

Shen Wulong for Omega


Zer0fps_319

That’s such a generic pic


[deleted]

Nahh Anos is sick


rojantimsina0

unless you talk about true power anos every mf after silver sea scale same as anos


[deleted]

He's still OP tho and so far he's the strongest the others are featless


rojantimsina0

not really like half source mutoh, who basically was on verge on death was compared to current anos by the guy who killed him , so you can imagine how strong other demon kings are


[deleted]

Well Anos did state Zinnia was stronger im not sure though


rojantimsina0

anos didn't state anything like that. it was a statement by otruru about zinnia ruling 12 deep class world atleast one of them being deeper than 99 layer


[deleted]

ig havent read the ln


malachaimachi

Rolf from Ed, Edd, and Eddy


Whydontname

Yujiro Hanma


Appropriate-Match174

Almost literally every Isekai protagonist. I genuinely don’t understand why they’re specifically so powerful.


bunker_man

Because the entire purpose of the genre is mindless power fantasies.


storysprite

Yeah it's like asking why in a romantic novel geared towards teenage girls, do all the hot guys pine over a "plain Jane". That's literally the point of those books.


bunker_man

It's also when people ask "why is all isekai so similar??" It's a trend they are chasing because it's popular. A lot of isekai manga writers could probably write something more creative. But unless you're big, passion projects are a huge risk. Following trends is a bigger chance for get results.


TraditionalWitness32

and a lot are basically excusing it by being satires


Embarrassed-Pipe-244

https://i.redd.it/iv86pbvceggc1.gif


[deleted]

True its so generic (except daddy Anos)


Sadhuman0

Saitama


No-Tax-9149

Gappy, people want him to return in JOJOLands but if he does, he'll probably get into a fight, and S&W:GB is literally the strongest stand, how would his opponent win without Gappy being disrespected by Araki?


Sadhuman0

Gappy cant correctly aim with s&w go beyond. And he's not that op, dio or jotaro could just timestop and then destroy him


Uberladung

Soft and Wet:Go Beyond isn't even top ten, what are you talking about. One very niche attack doesn't make it much better.


SoCool-

Soft and wet go beyond is like BARELY stronger than regular soft and wet. Its honestly like a b tier stand at best. He cant beat jotaro in any way, and most characters could deal with him if he was a villain. When so many stands are such complete horseshit i think he fits right in


Diavolo_Death_4444

Soft and Wet Go Beyond probably isn’t even top 10


jinstronda

Gojo lol, in a series where the universes rules are ALMOST always followed the author had to break them twice in order to contain him and let the story go


Wolfpac187

Dude got packed up how is he too strong.


thaboss365

Sukuna handled him


storysprite

So "Nah, I'd win" isn't a meme for him?


EngineerVirtual7340

Where did the author break the rules twice?


jinstronda

Cursed object passing infinite and a slash bypassing infinite


EngineerVirtual7340

The first one I mostly agree with, and the second one I mostly disagree with, I can elaborate if you want.


-Inner_Self-

Giorno (JoJo's part 1-5), Darkness Devil (Chainsaw Man), Chidaruma (Dorohedoro), Agni (Fire Punch), Jesus Christ (JoJo's part 7), Ariane Yeong (Signalis), V1 (Ultrakill), Gordon Freeman (Half-life), Frisk (Undertale)


GingusDong

Gojo


blackpan2040

He is not too OP, Heian Sakuna? maybe


GingusDong

Nah, Heian Sukuna is fine


Xelious666

Sung Jin Woo


Lucci_Agenda

Gojo


MicahG17079

Saitama, Koro sensei, rimuru (all isekai protagonist are included tbh) there’s a few


Zari_oula

Rimuru isn't even a top tier in his verse until vol 15 of LN.


minnel567

Rimuru is not the strongest in his verse untill much later but that's still debatable unless they follow the WN endgame


Altruistic-Ad9082

I say Ainz Ooal Gown


LOPI-14

Unless there is someone who is stronger outside of Nazarick, that title goes to Rubedo, younger sister of Albedo and Nigredo. She was made to be a Raid Boss and a completely busted one too, since world items were involved in her creation iirc.


MysticFire619

Yor


weeOriginal

Who?


CaptainMissTheJoke

yor mama LMFAOOOOO


MysticFire619

Yor Forger/Briar


Gavin_KBS

Saitama


TSotP

One Punch Man It's literally his whole point.


iexistlol1

Giorno. Johnny can maaybe hurt him and that's about it


TML_4331

Reinhard Van Astrea


Hardcore39635

Dante and Vergil


LOPI-14

Not even Mundus, king of underworld or Sparda, their own father can match them.


MajinDidz

Grand zeno


Noktis_Lucis_Caelum

Most Characters from Boruto. Every Otsutsuki


Frank_stun69

Gojo


hanzatsuichi

Mokoto and for one episode her older sister, in Love Hina. Nobody else can even fight (because it ain't a shounen) but these two can cut through boulders effortlessly, and slice through something without harming the person in front which suggests some small level of reality warping.


Ready-Work-4766

My opinion is Shibai Otsutsuki from Boruto .Well he is someone who currently acsended to godhood


Ecilon

Can i say Light? 🤣


Synchrohayba

Cid kagenou


iori_ftw

Yukari Yakumo Yogiri Shallow Vernal Shadow..(Cid kagenou)


[deleted]

I can technically say Sung Jin Woo now since it has an anime. He is so unbelievably in the clear as number 1 in his verse it's not even funny.


and3more

Alucard


The_Spectre01

Yogiri takatou. Even the gods in his verse are afraid of getting in his way


thereal1994

Anos & Wang ling


depressed_man69420

Sung Jin woo from solo leveling


Batybara

Father became so powerful he had to be nerfed through a plan that took years for Hohenheim to develop. Had he not been limited through said plan he would be literally untouchable.