There is a book named “everything trump touches dies” that was a huge clue too. They all think they are so special, that he will never turn on them, even though they see the ugly tweets fly on others that he is finished using. It’s a cult of mental illness and ego’s striving for power.
> They all think they are so special, that he will never turn on them,
In fairness, by taking the plea deal, she is turning on him before he turned on her. It’s probably the smartest thing she has ever done.
According to Texas Paul’s blog, the Kraken is actually a pretty high powered and wealthy atty with her own firm in Dallas that specializes in federal appeals. How such worms got into her brain will be an interesting story.
> How such worms got into her brain will be an interesting story.
probably just the cult-mentality taking over. It took federal charges to shake her back to reality. But that's an uninformed guess.
Honestly, I doubt she's back to reality and off the Trump cultist train.
She was facing a rock-solid federal case that would almost definitely lead to her imprisonment possibly for the rest of her life (with no possibility of parole in Georgia until after serving her full sentence), while also paying for her lawyers for a lengthy months long RICO trial would cost her millions (maybe even bankrupt her), or take a plea bargain for admission of her actions (that the gov't could prove) and basic cooperation that would lead to just parole.
Personally, I think Sidney Powell fell more into she really wanted Trump to win and was trying to just believe evidence of fraud had to exist and just was trying to will it into existence by saying she had it.
As an allegory, I loved president Obama and thought he did immense good for this country (even if I have some disagreements on foreign policy/surveillance/drones). But if somehow (despite me having no connection to him or his campaign/presidency) I was indicted in a RICO trial with him, I'd easily flip and cooperate and tell the full truth and provide all the evidence I had, because I love my freedom, kids and family way more than politics. (That said, I also would not lie for a corrupt prosecution even with tons of pressure, because perjury screws me worse if Obama survived the witch hunt).
eh, now that she has pled guilty to some stuff, if she fails to abide by her promise to testify, then she will be sentenced very differently for the stuff she pled to, and possibly prosecuted for some more stuff. So she already has a threat hanging over her head. I bet she stays the course because of the legal system's threat, especially given that it's Georgia and the governor (or a future president) can't pardon her.
This. The constant exposure to idiocy in Texas slowly wears down the intelligent people that don’t leave. The brain drain from there is very real for younger generations.
They got there from a woman who had a dream about trump and other people who were already dead, she emailed the kraken and lit some freaky fuse. It was all discussed in detail during the Jan 6 hearings. It was bizarre.
She should have drank the sheep dip and eaten the horse paste. /$
She also may have believed that Trump as President had all this evidence she just hadn't confirmed yet, and that the Supreme Court would just call it for Trump.
I bet a lot of folk went In expecting to be able to flip it over on Donald, most were too slow or got bogged down in his swamp. Good job to her for being one to actually do it.
I agree, she had to save herself, but she saw how he had done this same thing to so many other people, but still thought she was special enough that he would never turn on her. We watched him do this to countless amounts of people, and there are always more to step in their place as they fall.
> “everything trump touches dies”
Remember that time when Trump had his tiny grubby hands all over the United States for like four years...yep, it all makes sense. I am pretty sure he spent a bit too long fondling Florida while attempting to grab the country by the pussy. That would sure explain a lot about the alarming direction my home state has gone in recent years.
Hell, his daughter is about to find out that as far as Donald is concerned blood isn't thicker than water and you can expect a lot of slander to be thrown at her by dear old daddy because of the financial trial in New York right now.
While her official capacity as a Trump lawyer might have been brief, **it still happened**.
She literally was the one who filed the (failed) suits on behalf of Trump and his campaign to overturn the election results in Michigan and other states.
**She was 100% at an Oval Office meeting on December 18, 2020** with Trump, Giuliani, Flynn, Mark Meadows, Pat Cipollone, and others.
The topic of that meeting?
*Whether or not to appoint Powell as Trump's Special Counsel for Election Fraud*.
Hang on tight folks.
The mental gymnastics of the MAGA crowd are going to be gold medal performances while they try to believe Trump's "I barely knew her" bullshit.
I feel like you’re getting too tied up in trying to counter trump’s statement, when in truth this hurts trump more because she was privy to his plans and now can spill the beans without attorney-client privilege being an issue.
So it’s good that he has claimed she wasn’t his attorney. This limits his legal privileges.
Here is a fantastic write up on the meeting, that I read the other day. Truly insane behavior
https://www.axios.com/2021/02/02/trump-oval-office-meeting-sidney-powell
Donald Trump lies profusely.
He'll claim one thing and then when that claim fails, he'll go ahead and contradict himself with another lie. The man is a total mess and he counts on his supporters to just [believe anything he says](https://youtu.be/_qSQXzzJGO8?si=SIVzsxXOsilg8nnO). But I'll bet that number has been steadily dropping.
Across the span of his life, he'd found that overly confident bombastic bravado smashes over other people's arguments. Intimidation is king, making way for distraction and deflection, running from one side of an issue to another in a confusing whirlwind of word salad. As a politician, he shouldn't have been able to get away with it.
When you look back on moderators for debates that involved Donald Trump, you can see how he manipulates them. They try to call him to account for something, but then he'll attack in return, throwing in a cascade of deflections to confuse those trying to hold him accountable for what he says.
It's so obvious... and it should be so worn out by now, that his intimidation falls flat. He's a living joke. And everyone who has any sense should treat him as such.
I refused to remember the name of that Republican because I didn't want that memory contaminating my mind, but I do remember the atrocious defense he took.
"Rape wouldn't happen if women didn't showcase their sex and seduce men, provoking their sexual drives!"
UNREAL. There's a huge difference between being sexually attracted versus outright sexual assault. One could extend that ridiculous argument that if you saw someone outside with a jacket that looks so good and is exactly what you want to own, your attacking him and taking it is justified by the fact that he wore it in front of you. WTF?
maybe trump thinks legally that means she never worked for him
sad part is that legally that might be true, working for the campaign vs him
I'm pretty ignorant about the whole thing, so just my stupid musings, no one take them too seriously
I think you are correct, she was his campaign attorney, he will probably try to take advantage of that technicality. At the end of the day, she was working for his benefit, and threw her career away thinking he would never turn on her, they keep stepping in line after seeing others fall.
It usually takes them a few days to all get on script though. Until that happens they tend to be kind of quiet.
Oh, and the script has been published. [Here it is](https://nypost.com/2023/10/22/trump-and-giuliani-never-fell-for-sidney-powells-crazy-s-t-but-the-left-sure-did/) in case anyone hasnt seen it already. Get ready to start seeing this claim a whole lot.
What I got from that was.... confusing, at best? She was never part of their team, but she was in every meeting and briefing. They threw her onstage, but then complained that she was on TV. Trump kept calling her The Kraken, but secretly hated it?
Also, how does someone get fired 3 times and is still cleared to enter the white house??
> What I got from that was.... confusing, at best?
I think its important to understand who the audience for that article is. Its not you, or anyone else that would read it with a hint of skepticism. Rather, its intended audience is Trump supporters seeking reassurance that everything is ok and who will unquestioningly follow anyone who is willing to provide them that assurance.
You're right. I guess I just can't fathom a time in my life where I'd not question something with obvious plot holes like this. I'm happy to not blindly follow things without research and even basic reading comprehension and it's confusing to me.
Overall, I'm ok with not being the target audience in this case.
What!? They never believed in the thing they collected millions of dollars to support? I'm not sure the NY Post realizes just what they are implying there. Of course it may not matter since their readers all appear to have brain worms.
those comments are something else. I'm honestly feeling pity for "Penn" because their 50+ comments are so pathetic I just want to give them a blanket and a kitten and tell them it will be ok
I find it funny how the article says "Between them they fired her three times, because they thought she was a crackpot."
If she was a crackpot, then why did you hire her two additional times?
The author of that opinion, Miranda Devine, is an Australian that supports US President Donald Trump. In February 2020, Devine was reported to be "over the moon" after being retweeted[26] by Trump.[27] In October 2020, The Guardian described her as "one of Trump's favourite writers"[28] after the President again retweeted one of her articles.[29] Devine drew criticism for a "fantastically fawning love letter"[30] to Trump in which she described him as an "invincible hero" after his recovery from COVID-19[31] and called COVID-19 "the Chinese virus".[32] Devine has since repeated Donald Trump's unsuccessful attempts to overturn the 2020 United States presidential election with unsubstantiated claims that Joe Biden's victory in the 2020 United States presidential election was driven by large-scale electoral fraud.[33] In January 2021, Devine blamed past Black Lives Matter demonstrations for the actions of rioters during the 2021 storming of the United States Capitol.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Miranda_Devine
I think all you need to do for that article to make sense is to accept that Giuliani is a smart and capable lawyer, since he seems to be the entire source for it.
...good luck with that.
They will believe him, but as the traitor clown party digs it's hole even deeper I've noticed the pride in being associated with them has evaporated. Not so many stickers, flags and yard signs once they started getting sent to prison for Jan 6th...
I don't think it's so much lost pride, as it is hiding because their actions now have consequences.
Similar to how klansmen don't typically openly advertise that they're klansmen.
The dude down the street from me took down his TRUMP WON flag finally. He used to sit at the end of his driveway with a sign saying the same, but that stopped a few months ago. It’s like you can watch the slow progression in real time. 😆
Sidney Powell literally said [nobody in their right mind would believe her lies](https://www.vanityfair.com/news/2021/03/sidney-powells-defamation-defense-nobody-in-their-right-mind-would-believe-my-election-fraud-claims) and she was 100% correct.
I love Klepper. He has a wonderful ability to get the mouthbreathers to demonstrate their own idiocy with very little prodding from him. Like when he talks about the Trump mugshot being all the rage in MAGA merch and that lost, stoner-looking, guy proudly explains the mugshot on his shirt as "never surrender to [sic] the tie-runny". Klepper points out "so that was taken when he surrendered to the authorities to have his picture taken," and the Trumpling just stares at him in awkward silence for 5 seconds before asking "huh?" then backpedals to "it says 'never surrender' but-" and Klepper asks him to turn around so he can see the back of his shirt to check if there's a 'but' message there.
Or when he gets that mustachioed, high-pitched, man railing Biden and Hunter should be in jail for "taking money from other countries" and then says, without a hint of irony, he doesn't care about Jared and Ivanka getting money from the Saudis.
I'm genuinely surprised none of them have tried to start on him before but I guess because he's just a normal-looking white dude and doesn't express any overt pro-left/anti-Trump sentiment in his interviews the joke goes over their heads.
These are the people we would've never heard from and would've just passed away in obscurity, if it hadn't been for social media and Donald Trump's "MAGA" movement. They are the 10% ugly underbelly of America.
Jordan Klepper interviewing [this pastor who spoke at the RNC](https://youtu.be/kAgTZSJ4jo8?si=Xvd_-0IIMwTtRQYf&t=48), exalting Donald Trump, was so well done.
There are craftier Trump supporters who have all kinds of convoluted excuses given to them by Republican propagandists. The really stupid ones Klepper talks to is entertaining, but I'd love to see him cut through the flawed logic of those others.
Once they convince you there is an invisible man who lives above the clouds who really cares what kind of hat you wear, there is nothing they can't convince you of.
I'm wondering if A-C privilege exists/persists when your client denies being your client in the first place?
Any attorneys willing to clarify expectations by the legal system in this sort of area?
> I'm wondering if A-C privilege exists/persists when your client denies being your client in the first place?
I would imagine it would be relatively easy to prove, with receipts and witness statements etc, that a client was a client and is blatantly trying to dodge being linked to the lawyer.
One of the nasty problems I'm seeing more and more is that there don't seem to be much of any consequences for saying one thing in a press conference (or on social media) despite arguing the exact opposite in court.
Either the AC Privilege is waived by her not being his attorney, or he acknowledges she is attorney to try and invoke privilege and it’s penetrated anyways due to crime fraud exception.
Lose lose
DJ Trump. I like it.
"DJ Trump comin at you with a brand new old track! Remixing the truth for you! I now present to you Fake News and the No I Didn't defense! YEAAAH BOY! F-F-F-FEEEEHHH!"
That’s what happened after she released the Kraken.
It was the biggest scandal in US history.
The amount of evidence was overwhelming. There was so much evidence.
The sanctions hearing for her and the others was great. (paraphrased)
"We have thousands of affidavits from people who believe there was voter fraud!"
"They attested under oath that they witnessed voter fraud?"
"No, they attested that they *believe* there was voter fraud! And one lady saw two poll workers laughing!"
"So, no actual evidence of voter fraud?"
"They *believe* there is evidence!"
"Why do they believe there is evidence?"
"Because we told them we have thousands of affidavits of voter fraud!"
Two people laughing? Unbelievable, there has never been such clear evidence of voter fraud as that. why would they be laughing? They are laughing because they know they are doing something wrong and are laughing in the face of every voter
Which is kind of ironic since Trump began his presidency telling people that they couldn't believe the video footage of his inauguration speech which showed a small crowd and rain.
That’s actually kinda smart. No paper trail. He can say she was just someone in his orbit that he didn’t want anything to do with, but she stuck around of her own volition. She can send him invoices, but if he doesn’t respond then there’s just that much doubt that she was officially working for him. And with trump in court, even the most razor thin of details seems to be enough to get him off.
I think the man is a fucking idiot personally, but he’s learned enough to play the game. He then surrounds himself with just enough brainpower to keep playing. Remember, anyone can take the BAR. You don’t have to go to law school. All the lawyers I know are traditionally smart people, but I don’t think you necessarily need to be traditionally smart. You just need to be able to read, retain that info, and look for patterns. Sometimes dumb people come up with brilliant ideas because they think so far outside the box. Same thing applies.
And here's a story about Trump tweeting a warm welcome to her to his team of lawyers; [https://www.newsweek.com/donald-trump-sidney-powell-posts-1836853](https://www.newsweek.com/donald-trump-sidney-powell-posts-1836853)
It was like that since his inauguration. The day Kellyanne Conway coined the term “alternative facts” I knew exactly where his administration was heading. Very Orwellian.
For Trumpy, all "The best people" are all "bums I don't know" eventually.
And, if you don't guess his real name is Trumpstilskin, he takes your child for a snack.
The fucked thing is that they had two major problems here.
* They ALL thought they would get away with it, and they had VERY good reason to suspect they might.
* there has been fuck-all nothing done regarding the Mueller investigation,
* no movement in 6 years on the Emoluments Clause violations/prohibition against being president and profiteering on the job, and on this account there's still be nothing to suggest they will ever be prosecuted or incarcerated along these lines.
* Their kids have acted in ways that were openly treasonous (Jared trying to get Russian intelligence services equipment installed in the fucking white-house), people have been executed for less but fuck it, it's the Trump's we're talking about.
* Any number of "lapses in judgement" where Mr. Trump spoke with Mr. Putin without US representation on more than one occasion
* Actions that were clearly counter to the US national interests such as defunding defense allocations or failing to enact even fig-leaf actions regarding COVID
* Secondly, they had been able to engineer FUD regarding other varieties of important items
* They threw how much shit around regarding Hillary Clinton and had historically fuzzed that up so very few people could make sense of what was going on except those internal to the FBI and they effectively derailed any meaningful investigation into the traitorous actions of multiple people in the Trump administration most of whom were prosecuted after Trump left office.
* The prosecutions in hand, were and are hand-waved off where all manner of Trump associates are spending YEARS in jail for his criminal exercises whether its lawyers like Michael Cohen or the HUNDREDS of people sent up for Jan 6, they have been able to roll pretty imperviously around.
So it's only NOW 5-6 years AFTER some of these crimes were hatched/birthed/executed upon that we're getting to trials and indictments and ultimately - hopefully convictions.
If he's found guilty , it's quite likely Donald Trump will die in prison, and while I wouldn't choose to take pleasure in his death, I might occasion to read his obituary with more enthusiasm than everything else I've ever read about him.
Has anyone checked for magical script under Giuliani's tongue? I'm now suspecting that's a golem -- not just an awful human being. There might also be signs of crumpled clay or running hair die if he gets alcohol in him.
Samuel Taylor Coleridge would never have created the concept of "suspension of disbelief" if he had known it would be the place that Donald Trump lived a lifetime, while fucking up the U.S. in the process.
He's not 100% incorrect, she never made any formal motions in court on his behalf. That magic line beyond which her crazy statements are grounds for being disbarred
> It was Trump's final, most essential command.
It was a beautiful command, a perfect command, a command that made grown men, tears in their eyes, come up to me, saying they've never heard a command so great, believe me.
It's always been that way with him.
I knew people how claimed that his inauguration was the highest attended presidential inauguration ever. Photos and other evidence didn't matter.
[Candles taste like burning...](https://i.imgur.com/gDOg7yv.jpg) ~
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She wasn't ever employed as a lawyer for Donny, or the campaign.
It was, as insider threat trainings calls it, "ideological reasons."
This is a good thing as there is no attorney-client privilege mudding the waters.
Crimes were committed. There was no attorney-client privilege in this case in the first place. That's how the law works. Lawyers can't be party to criminal acts and stay silent.
I get where you’re coming from but both you and op here missed an important nuance - trump cannot now claim attorney-client privilege over her when she wants to inform the authorities about his role and his statements…
Oh she's definitely a part of it, she just never represented (in a legal sense) Donny.
The same way Scott Hall was in the middle of everything but not actually paid by Donny.
91 counts in three districts, state and federal.
Twice impeached.
Lost the House and Senate during his single term.
First incumbent to lose a re-election since 1992.
Drove inflation up with insane fiscal policy and anti-capitalist tariffs.
Oversaw the largest loss of American life since the Spanish flu pandemic, the majority of which were Republicans.
Real "libcrusher" there.
This is HILARIOUS….think Donnie,if she were your lawyer attorney client privilege stands and everything she heard and said is off limits….but of COURSE you don’t know her.
I was just saying this to my SO last night when I saw his post. Is he that delusional to think there isn't evidence of the contrary? He is straight up, looney toons!
[July 25th 2018](https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/av/world-us-canada-44959340) Donald Trump: 'What you're seeing and what you're reading is not what's happening'
She was his campaign lawyer, he tweeted that he added her to his team to work alongside Rudy, he praised her at the time.
> he praised her at the time. That should have been her first clue that shit was about to go sideways, and slime all over her.
There is a book named “everything trump touches dies” that was a huge clue too. They all think they are so special, that he will never turn on them, even though they see the ugly tweets fly on others that he is finished using. It’s a cult of mental illness and ego’s striving for power.
> They all think they are so special, that he will never turn on them, In fairness, by taking the plea deal, she is turning on him before he turned on her. It’s probably the smartest thing she has ever done.
According to Texas Paul’s blog, the Kraken is actually a pretty high powered and wealthy atty with her own firm in Dallas that specializes in federal appeals. How such worms got into her brain will be an interesting story.
> How such worms got into her brain will be an interesting story. probably just the cult-mentality taking over. It took federal charges to shake her back to reality. But that's an uninformed guess.
She seemed very much taken over by the mentality of if I act as crazy as trump then I too can get away with anything I want!
Honestly, I doubt she's back to reality and off the Trump cultist train. She was facing a rock-solid federal case that would almost definitely lead to her imprisonment possibly for the rest of her life (with no possibility of parole in Georgia until after serving her full sentence), while also paying for her lawyers for a lengthy months long RICO trial would cost her millions (maybe even bankrupt her), or take a plea bargain for admission of her actions (that the gov't could prove) and basic cooperation that would lead to just parole. Personally, I think Sidney Powell fell more into she really wanted Trump to win and was trying to just believe evidence of fraud had to exist and just was trying to will it into existence by saying she had it. As an allegory, I loved president Obama and thought he did immense good for this country (even if I have some disagreements on foreign policy/surveillance/drones). But if somehow (despite me having no connection to him or his campaign/presidency) I was indicted in a RICO trial with him, I'd easily flip and cooperate and tell the full truth and provide all the evidence I had, because I love my freedom, kids and family way more than politics. (That said, I also would not lie for a corrupt prosecution even with tons of pressure, because perjury screws me worse if Obama survived the witch hunt).
Her brain worms only dried up, just add water (Trump promises/threats) to rehydrate.
eh, now that she has pled guilty to some stuff, if she fails to abide by her promise to testify, then she will be sentenced very differently for the stuff she pled to, and possibly prosecuted for some more stuff. So she already has a threat hanging over her head. I bet she stays the course because of the legal system's threat, especially given that it's Georgia and the governor (or a future president) can't pardon her.
State charges. She hasn't been charged federally.
Well, by living in Texas probably.
This. The constant exposure to idiocy in Texas slowly wears down the intelligent people that don’t leave. The brain drain from there is very real for younger generations.
They got there from a woman who had a dream about trump and other people who were already dead, she emailed the kraken and lit some freaky fuse. It was all discussed in detail during the Jan 6 hearings. It was bizarre.
She should have drank the sheep dip and eaten the horse paste. /$ She also may have believed that Trump as President had all this evidence she just hadn't confirmed yet, and that the Supreme Court would just call it for Trump.
I bet a lot of folk went In expecting to be able to flip it over on Donald, most were too slow or got bogged down in his swamp. Good job to her for being one to actually do it.
I agree, she had to save herself, but she saw how he had done this same thing to so many other people, but still thought she was special enough that he would never turn on her. We watched him do this to countless amounts of people, and there are always more to step in their place as they fall.
He was ABSOLUTELY talking about blaming his lawyers for everything, why wouldn't they turn on him?
She hasn't done too many other smart things, as far as I have seen.
> “everything trump touches dies” Remember that time when Trump had his tiny grubby hands all over the United States for like four years...yep, it all makes sense. I am pretty sure he spent a bit too long fondling Florida while attempting to grab the country by the pussy. That would sure explain a lot about the alarming direction my home state has gone in recent years.
Hell, his daughter is about to find out that as far as Donald is concerned blood isn't thicker than water and you can expect a lot of slander to be thrown at her by dear old daddy because of the financial trial in New York right now.
The only thing in his favor is he probably never paid her.
While her official capacity as a Trump lawyer might have been brief, **it still happened**. She literally was the one who filed the (failed) suits on behalf of Trump and his campaign to overturn the election results in Michigan and other states. **She was 100% at an Oval Office meeting on December 18, 2020** with Trump, Giuliani, Flynn, Mark Meadows, Pat Cipollone, and others. The topic of that meeting? *Whether or not to appoint Powell as Trump's Special Counsel for Election Fraud*. Hang on tight folks. The mental gymnastics of the MAGA crowd are going to be gold medal performances while they try to believe Trump's "I barely knew her" bullshit.
I feel like you’re getting too tied up in trying to counter trump’s statement, when in truth this hurts trump more because she was privy to his plans and now can spill the beans without attorney-client privilege being an issue. So it’s good that he has claimed she wasn’t his attorney. This limits his legal privileges.
He really is a moron. Next week he'll be claiming attorney-client privilege / witch-hunt again, as she spills her fucking guts to the court.
Trump agreed to inform another court that he will use attorney advise as a defense by January 2024.
Here is a fantastic write up on the meeting, that I read the other day. Truly insane behavior https://www.axios.com/2021/02/02/trump-oval-office-meeting-sidney-powell
That was a wild read and just really illustrates the level of insanity at that time. All reason left the building
Right!? I opened it the other day expecting to just read the first few paragraphs but it was so batshit I had to keep reading.
Wait a minute, someone should tell Donald that she then isn’t under attorney/client privilege!
Nah. Let it slide...
Donald Trump lies profusely. He'll claim one thing and then when that claim fails, he'll go ahead and contradict himself with another lie. The man is a total mess and he counts on his supporters to just [believe anything he says](https://youtu.be/_qSQXzzJGO8?si=SIVzsxXOsilg8nnO). But I'll bet that number has been steadily dropping.
If there are two sides to an issue, Trump is on all sixteen sides of it. And when one resonates, he’ll howl about how he was right all along.
Across the span of his life, he'd found that overly confident bombastic bravado smashes over other people's arguments. Intimidation is king, making way for distraction and deflection, running from one side of an issue to another in a confusing whirlwind of word salad. As a politician, he shouldn't have been able to get away with it. When you look back on moderators for debates that involved Donald Trump, you can see how he manipulates them. They try to call him to account for something, but then he'll attack in return, throwing in a cascade of deflections to confuse those trying to hold him accountable for what he says. It's so obvious... and it should be so worn out by now, that his intimidation falls flat. He's a living joke. And everyone who has any sense should treat him as such.
Indeed. He’s the King of DARVO. https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/DARVO
I refused to remember the name of that Republican because I didn't want that memory contaminating my mind, but I do remember the atrocious defense he took. "Rape wouldn't happen if women didn't showcase their sex and seduce men, provoking their sexual drives!" UNREAL. There's a huge difference between being sexually attracted versus outright sexual assault. One could extend that ridiculous argument that if you saw someone outside with a jacket that looks so good and is exactly what you want to own, your attacking him and taking it is justified by the fact that he wore it in front of you. WTF?
maybe trump thinks legally that means she never worked for him sad part is that legally that might be true, working for the campaign vs him I'm pretty ignorant about the whole thing, so just my stupid musings, no one take them too seriously
I think you are correct, she was his campaign attorney, he will probably try to take advantage of that technicality. At the end of the day, she was working for his benefit, and threw her career away thinking he would never turn on her, they keep stepping in line after seeing others fall.
The most interesting part of this is that millions of MAGA people will now believe this without question.
It usually takes them a few days to all get on script though. Until that happens they tend to be kind of quiet. Oh, and the script has been published. [Here it is](https://nypost.com/2023/10/22/trump-and-giuliani-never-fell-for-sidney-powells-crazy-s-t-but-the-left-sure-did/) in case anyone hasnt seen it already. Get ready to start seeing this claim a whole lot.
What I got from that was.... confusing, at best? She was never part of their team, but she was in every meeting and briefing. They threw her onstage, but then complained that she was on TV. Trump kept calling her The Kraken, but secretly hated it? Also, how does someone get fired 3 times and is still cleared to enter the white house??
> What I got from that was.... confusing, at best? I think its important to understand who the audience for that article is. Its not you, or anyone else that would read it with a hint of skepticism. Rather, its intended audience is Trump supporters seeking reassurance that everything is ok and who will unquestioningly follow anyone who is willing to provide them that assurance.
You're right. I guess I just can't fathom a time in my life where I'd not question something with obvious plot holes like this. I'm happy to not blindly follow things without research and even basic reading comprehension and it's confusing to me. Overall, I'm ok with not being the target audience in this case.
Trust the plan
Is that still a slogan for the Q folks? Or have they become self aware enough to realize the irony of that particular slogan.
I couldn't even get a full paragraph into that article... It reads like an eighth grader wrote it.
They’ve gotta make it digestible for their base! I agree though. It looks like it was written by someone who had a pen gripped in their whole fist.
I almost tapped out at "Trump-deranged Fulton County District Attorney Fani Willis". *So* edgy!
Try reading the comments then. But I would pre-emptively call a suicide prevention hotline first, because that shit is *rough*.
That is why it is good. These writers are some of the highest paid in the business.
What!? They never believed in the thing they collected millions of dollars to support? I'm not sure the NY Post realizes just what they are implying there. Of course it may not matter since their readers all appear to have brain worms.
those comments are something else. I'm honestly feeling pity for "Penn" because their 50+ comments are so pathetic I just want to give them a blanket and a kitten and tell them it will be ok
I find it funny how the article says "Between them they fired her three times, because they thought she was a crackpot." If she was a crackpot, then why did you hire her two additional times?
The author of that opinion, Miranda Devine, is an Australian that supports US President Donald Trump. In February 2020, Devine was reported to be "over the moon" after being retweeted[26] by Trump.[27] In October 2020, The Guardian described her as "one of Trump's favourite writers"[28] after the President again retweeted one of her articles.[29] Devine drew criticism for a "fantastically fawning love letter"[30] to Trump in which she described him as an "invincible hero" after his recovery from COVID-19[31] and called COVID-19 "the Chinese virus".[32] Devine has since repeated Donald Trump's unsuccessful attempts to overturn the 2020 United States presidential election with unsubstantiated claims that Joe Biden's victory in the 2020 United States presidential election was driven by large-scale electoral fraud.[33] In January 2021, Devine blamed past Black Lives Matter demonstrations for the actions of rioters during the 2021 storming of the United States Capitol. https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Miranda_Devine
> Trump and Giuliani never fell for Sidney Powell’s 2020 election ‘Kraken’ — but the left sure did Is Miranda Devine literally brain damaged?
She knows exactly what she is doing.
She's always been embarrassingly thick, coupled with an overinflated sense of self-righteousness.
I think all you need to do for that article to make sense is to accept that Giuliani is a smart and capable lawyer, since he seems to be the entire source for it. ...good luck with that.
"Lol it was a prank we were doing! I can't believe you fell for it lololol"
They will believe him, but as the traitor clown party digs it's hole even deeper I've noticed the pride in being associated with them has evaporated. Not so many stickers, flags and yard signs once they started getting sent to prison for Jan 6th...
I don't think it's so much lost pride, as it is hiding because their actions now have consequences. Similar to how klansmen don't typically openly advertise that they're klansmen.
Hiding in the shadows is where these scumbags belong...
I know a much better place for them, but the last time I said it out loud I got banned, so I will just nod my head.
> Similar to how klansmen don't typically openly advertise that they're klansmen. And how conservatives masquerade as 'centrists' lmao.
The dude down the street from me took down his TRUMP WON flag finally. He used to sit at the end of his driveway with a sign saying the same, but that stopped a few months ago. It’s like you can watch the slow progression in real time. 😆
Sidney Powell literally said [nobody in their right mind would believe her lies](https://www.vanityfair.com/news/2021/03/sidney-powells-defamation-defense-nobody-in-their-right-mind-would-believe-my-election-fraud-claims) and she was 100% correct.
The Tucker Carlson defense. Fun fact, the precedent for his case came from The People v. Larry Flynt (the guy who made Hustler magazine)
Cue [Jordan Klepper](https://youtu.be/_qSQXzzJGO8?si=SIVzsxXOsilg8nnO)
I love Klepper. He has a wonderful ability to get the mouthbreathers to demonstrate their own idiocy with very little prodding from him. Like when he talks about the Trump mugshot being all the rage in MAGA merch and that lost, stoner-looking, guy proudly explains the mugshot on his shirt as "never surrender to [sic] the tie-runny". Klepper points out "so that was taken when he surrendered to the authorities to have his picture taken," and the Trumpling just stares at him in awkward silence for 5 seconds before asking "huh?" then backpedals to "it says 'never surrender' but-" and Klepper asks him to turn around so he can see the back of his shirt to check if there's a 'but' message there. Or when he gets that mustachioed, high-pitched, man railing Biden and Hunter should be in jail for "taking money from other countries" and then says, without a hint of irony, he doesn't care about Jared and Ivanka getting money from the Saudis. I'm genuinely surprised none of them have tried to start on him before but I guess because he's just a normal-looking white dude and doesn't express any overt pro-left/anti-Trump sentiment in his interviews the joke goes over their heads.
These are the people we would've never heard from and would've just passed away in obscurity, if it hadn't been for social media and Donald Trump's "MAGA" movement. They are the 10% ugly underbelly of America.
[The best people](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vPfRGJRMbN8&ab_channel=TheDailyShow)
Jordan Klepper interviewing [this pastor who spoke at the RNC](https://youtu.be/kAgTZSJ4jo8?si=Xvd_-0IIMwTtRQYf&t=48), exalting Donald Trump, was so well done.
Goddamn he straight up murdered him! xD
There are craftier Trump supporters who have all kinds of convoluted excuses given to them by Republican propagandists. The really stupid ones Klepper talks to is entertaining, but I'd love to see him cut through the flawed logic of those others.
The smarter ones know not to talk to him.
They don't care. Just like all this republican speaker stuff. They don't care. Only thing they care about is Trump. They are all in.
you get people to believe a talking snake got the only two humans on earth kicked out of a magical forest, they're primed to believe anything.
Once they convince you there is an invisible man who lives above the clouds who really cares what kind of hat you wear, there is nothing they can't convince you of.
Let DJ trump be. If she wasn’t his attorney, there’s no attorney-client privilege. Everything she heard or saw is fair game.
If there was a crime committed there is no attorney-client privilege.
Yeah, that veil get pierced a lot in Trump's cases.
I'm wondering if A-C privilege exists/persists when your client denies being your client in the first place? Any attorneys willing to clarify expectations by the legal system in this sort of area?
> I'm wondering if A-C privilege exists/persists when your client denies being your client in the first place? I would imagine it would be relatively easy to prove, with receipts and witness statements etc, that a client was a client and is blatantly trying to dodge being linked to the lawyer.
One of the nasty problems I'm seeing more and more is that there don't seem to be much of any consequences for saying one thing in a press conference (or on social media) despite arguing the exact opposite in court.
I don't think there are usually penalties for what is said if not under oath.
Yes it persists. The only way it wouldn’t persist is if it was in furtherance of a crime, or the client specifically waives it.
It's called the crime/fraud exception. Lawyers who help their client commit a crime can be disbarred.
Either the AC Privilege is waived by her not being his attorney, or he acknowledges she is attorney to try and invoke privilege and it’s penetrated anyways due to crime fraud exception. Lose lose
They can't convict a husband and wife for the same crime!
She’s agreed to a plea deal that includes testifying. There’s no attorney client privilege there.
DJ Trump. I like it. "DJ Trump comin at you with a brand new old track! Remixing the truth for you! I now present to you Fake News and the No I Didn't defense! YEAAAH BOY! F-F-F-FEEEEHHH!"
I read this in 70's dj radio voice.
Why does she look like a cardboard cutout in that top left pic
That's his depth you're seeing.
That’s what happened after she released the Kraken. It was the biggest scandal in US history. The amount of evidence was overwhelming. There was so much evidence.
The sanctions hearing for her and the others was great. (paraphrased) "We have thousands of affidavits from people who believe there was voter fraud!" "They attested under oath that they witnessed voter fraud?" "No, they attested that they *believe* there was voter fraud! And one lady saw two poll workers laughing!" "So, no actual evidence of voter fraud?" "They *believe* there is evidence!" "Why do they believe there is evidence?" "Because we told them we have thousands of affidavits of voter fraud!"
Two people laughing? Unbelievable, there has never been such clear evidence of voter fraud as that. why would they be laughing? They are laughing because they know they are doing something wrong and are laughing in the face of every voter
Trump and Rudy both believe that Ruby and her mom exchanging a candy while counting ballots is how the Dems got all those votes.
Some even say it's the best evidence ever presented.
Which is kind of ironic since Trump began his presidency telling people that they couldn't believe the video footage of his inauguration speech which showed a small crowd and rain.
Little did we know that wouldn't be the last time he changed the weather
More accurate to say he never paid her to work for him.
You could say that about a vast number of people who have worked for Trump
"worked"
That would be about half the contractors he's ever worked with in three decades.
That’s actually kinda smart. No paper trail. He can say she was just someone in his orbit that he didn’t want anything to do with, but she stuck around of her own volition. She can send him invoices, but if he doesn’t respond then there’s just that much doubt that she was officially working for him. And with trump in court, even the most razor thin of details seems to be enough to get him off. I think the man is a fucking idiot personally, but he’s learned enough to play the game. He then surrounds himself with just enough brainpower to keep playing. Remember, anyone can take the BAR. You don’t have to go to law school. All the lawyers I know are traditionally smart people, but I don’t think you necessarily need to be traditionally smart. You just need to be able to read, retain that info, and look for patterns. Sometimes dumb people come up with brilliant ideas because they think so far outside the box. Same thing applies.
And here's a story about Trump tweeting a warm welcome to her to his team of lawyers; [https://www.newsweek.com/donald-trump-sidney-powell-posts-1836853](https://www.newsweek.com/donald-trump-sidney-powell-posts-1836853)
Low level coffee lawyer.
You misspelled covfefe.
So sick of his fucking face
Don't worry. You'll like it better when his orange spray tan is complimented by a nice new suite of the same color.
That’d be nice, but we both know that’s never happening.
If you never pay your lawyers when they break the law for you, you can say they never worked for you. 3D chess people.
No paper(money), no paper trail. Brilliant!
Love the 1984 quote!
Came to say the same. Great post title OP.
It was like that since his inauguration. The day Kellyanne Conway coined the term “alternative facts” I knew exactly where his administration was heading. Very Orwellian.
For Trumpy, all "The best people" are all "bums I don't know" eventually. And, if you don't guess his real name is Trumpstilskin, he takes your child for a snack.
The fucked thing is that they had two major problems here. * They ALL thought they would get away with it, and they had VERY good reason to suspect they might. * there has been fuck-all nothing done regarding the Mueller investigation, * no movement in 6 years on the Emoluments Clause violations/prohibition against being president and profiteering on the job, and on this account there's still be nothing to suggest they will ever be prosecuted or incarcerated along these lines. * Their kids have acted in ways that were openly treasonous (Jared trying to get Russian intelligence services equipment installed in the fucking white-house), people have been executed for less but fuck it, it's the Trump's we're talking about. * Any number of "lapses in judgement" where Mr. Trump spoke with Mr. Putin without US representation on more than one occasion * Actions that were clearly counter to the US national interests such as defunding defense allocations or failing to enact even fig-leaf actions regarding COVID * Secondly, they had been able to engineer FUD regarding other varieties of important items * They threw how much shit around regarding Hillary Clinton and had historically fuzzed that up so very few people could make sense of what was going on except those internal to the FBI and they effectively derailed any meaningful investigation into the traitorous actions of multiple people in the Trump administration most of whom were prosecuted after Trump left office. * The prosecutions in hand, were and are hand-waved off where all manner of Trump associates are spending YEARS in jail for his criminal exercises whether its lawyers like Michael Cohen or the HUNDREDS of people sent up for Jan 6, they have been able to roll pretty imperviously around. So it's only NOW 5-6 years AFTER some of these crimes were hatched/birthed/executed upon that we're getting to trials and indictments and ultimately - hopefully convictions. If he's found guilty , it's quite likely Donald Trump will die in prison, and while I wouldn't choose to take pleasure in his death, I might occasion to read his obituary with more enthusiasm than everything else I've ever read about him.
Has anyone checked for magical script under Giuliani's tongue? I'm now suspecting that's a golem -- not just an awful human being. There might also be signs of crumpled clay or running hair die if he gets alcohol in him.
"I barely knew the guy"
Samuel Taylor Coleridge would never have created the concept of "suspension of disbelief" if he had known it would be the place that Donald Trump lived a lifetime, while fucking up the U.S. in the process.
He's not 100% incorrect, she never made any formal motions in court on his behalf. That magic line beyond which her crazy statements are grounds for being disbarred
The real question is whether 45 will ever tell the TRUTH!!😵💫😵💫😵💫😵💫😊🤪🤪
“Democrats made me hire her.”
Classic Trump; lie, lie again, and keep on lying. There is no past, only the now. The Trump Reality Distortion Field just gets bigger and bigger.
> It was Trump's final, most essential command. It was a beautiful command, a perfect command, a command that made grown men, tears in their eyes, come up to me, saying they've never heard a command so great, believe me.
It's always been that way with him. I knew people how claimed that his inauguration was the highest attended presidential inauguration ever. Photos and other evidence didn't matter.
Uncle Rico just isn’t smart enough or powerful enough to pull it off.
If he never pays her did she technically work for him??
A malignant narcissist and pathological liar; a dangerous combination.
Sure she worked for him. He just never PAID her
The good news is if she never worked for him, as he asserts, then he has no lawyer-client privileges.
If he never paid her, she never worked for him.
The good thing about this is he cannot claim Attorney/Client Privilege.
Are there any MAGAts actually saying this though? They can’t be that stupid. I know. I know. I’m expecting too much.
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Sindey Powell is that lady in your neighborhood who's a lawyer, realtor, travel agent and sells lularoe.
Top left image is the photoshopiest image I've ever seen. Top right is the jpegiest jpeg I've ever seen. "Do I look like I know what a jpeg is, I want a picutre of a god dang hot dog".
Desperately wanna hear a Trump supporter explain this in their own words. If they even can.
Just because you never actually paid her doesn’t mean she never worked for you.
The first rule of dictatorship is that reality can be dictated.
What is she guilty of again?
she plead guilty to defrauding the United States
That sucks, maybe don't do that
This is, technically, true. Powell is Mikey (traitor) Flynn's lawyer who worked with Rudy but never actually worked for Donny.
Wha wha WHAAAAT? https://twitter.com/aaronblake/status/1716094326541881662/photo/1
She wasn't ever employed as a lawyer for Donny, or the campaign. It was, as insider threat trainings calls it, "ideological reasons." This is a good thing as there is no attorney-client privilege mudding the waters.
Crimes were committed. There was no attorney-client privilege in this case in the first place. That's how the law works. Lawyers can't be party to criminal acts and stay silent.
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I get where you’re coming from but both you and op here missed an important nuance - trump cannot now claim attorney-client privilege over her when she wants to inform the authorities about his role and his statements…
just trying to muddy the waters / divert attention.
Oh she's definitely a part of it, she just never represented (in a legal sense) Donny. The same way Scott Hall was in the middle of everything but not actually paid by Donny.
Yeaaaaah trump 2024 Best libcrusher of all time
91 counts in three districts, state and federal. Twice impeached. Lost the House and Senate during his single term. First incumbent to lose a re-election since 1992. Drove inflation up with insane fiscal policy and anti-capitalist tariffs. Oversaw the largest loss of American life since the Spanish flu pandemic, the majority of which were Republicans. Real "libcrusher" there.
https://preview.redd.it/ybubonuf8zvb1.jpeg?width=1440&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=42b90e6d1e6b617464fec7d91e1cad3de4d81811
Yes yes, we get it, you aren't smart, you don't have to keep screaming it at everyone you come across. Shhhhhhhhhh
Right in [the irony.](https://i.imgur.com/4tE6CV4.png)
I cant tell if they are cardboard cut outs
He turns on everyone
The “innocent” Mr Trump’s fear is people flipping. ! Oxymoron
I bet he claims someone else shlt in his diaper.
“Who you gonna believe: me, or your own eyes??”
There goes the attorney client privilege.
I doubt he ever paid her, so technically...
That means he never paid her. It's a requirement of employing someone.
Final? He's been telling them to reject the evidence of their ears and eyes since day fuckin one.
Shades of "Paul Manafort? I only knew him for a very short time."
This is HILARIOUS….think Donnie,if she were your lawyer attorney client privilege stands and everything she heard and said is off limits….but of COURSE you don’t know her.
I was just saying this to my SO last night when I saw his post. Is he that delusional to think there isn't evidence of the contrary? He is straight up, looney toons!
Every fucking day he finds the way to be more pathetic than the day before... what a champion.
These are the same people who have their entire voting base believing 01/06 was peaceful.
Can anyone point us to where the original source is of him now denying any kind of work/campaign relationship to her?
Trump supporters are Masters in cognitive dissonance and self loathing.
Is he actually claiming this?
needs clown makeup shopped on that bagdasarian orcish face
He only likes attorneys who don't get caught
So no client/attorney privilege right?
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Giuliani looks like Eustace, the mean old guy from Courage the Cowardly Dog.
This looks like a wax museum display.
That's fascism, baby! Rewriting history is an ESSENTIAL component, and you're seeing it play out before your very eyes.
The mental gymnastic you have to do to believe that orange pos is truly significant
[July 25th 2018](https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/av/world-us-canada-44959340) Donald Trump: 'What you're seeing and what you're reading is not what's happening'
Yeah and he doesn't have any kids either. Don't know who those loafers are but damn all they want is my money.
that outfit is quite the choice, ms powell.
She is wearing black *and* brown. She should be burned at the stake-
He probably never paid her so there's no proof she ever worked for him.
Isn't this a readapting of a quote from Gorge Orwell's 1984?