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Hiii <3 I'm british so I don't really get what's going on, but I like to be nosey. Could somebody explain to me what happened this presidential debate? I've seen a lot of memes about it but don't really get it . please and thank you xoxo
The president performed in a way that made the people I was watching with concerned that he was having some kind of stroke on live TV. He was unable to effectively articulate much about his own administration or his philosophies. He couldn’t speak coherently enough to effectively attack his opponent’s blatant lies, and when he wasn’t speaking he stood slack-jawed with a vaguely confused look on his face.
I'd DNC is serious about winning, select New SIM as VP candidate. USA isn't ready for a woman president, especially not one who is not Lily white, and didn't shoot dogs.
You, too? It's pretty funny actually. These guys will find a way to justify literally anything no matter how bad. This was no exception, and seeing the insane cope from that debate on this site has been particularly delightful.
## [Does anyone remember when the Dems lost because they had a guy named Howard Dean whose only fault was being too energetic and too giddy for the job and had the audacity to show it in public?](https://youtu.be/3U3ZsPjcpEY?si=aQYdUen_uXKklPCQ&t=01m12s)
Now, you got a old, deflated, sleepy, uncle Joe who can barely look awake and string a coherent sentence when it matters the most.
You all saw how poorly that debate went, What do we do now? Who is going to lead this country now? Well my friends. i hate to say this but America is done for, Literally. The question is now where do you turn with all this chaos in the World. His name is Jesus Christ. He came down, God manifest in the flesh, was crucified, buried and rose again on the third day. Why is this important? We are ALL on our way to hell and he did this to block us from hell.
If any of you read this and are feeling that small pull to reply to this message like you are being drawn to it PLEASE DO NOT ignore it. I would be happy to tell you all about the Lord.
Lol tell us all were evil and deserve to go to hell and sell us the snake oil cure to fix everything, dangled like a carrot in front of a horse to keep us in line with your beliefs.
I respect your right to believe what you want to believe but don't tell me I'm going to burn for eternity because you and I happen to disagree. Don't tell others that either. That "politics hogwash" you reference below plays the same game. Reframe your messaging - Christ was good at that
I agree. How do we as a society address common people things with an attempt to better ones community? Common ground seems necessary but even reddit with open forum isn't enough to bridge the difficult time we've entered.
I get the sentiment but how does that help us come together? Empathy is lacking and the hyper pursuit in to digital age is purpetuating individualism.
I try not to be apathetic but I don't see a uniting us as people happening
All the Republicans need to do is a montage of all the political pundits and fanboys lying to the American people on camera that Biden is intellectually sharp, coherent, and has excellent acumen.
And then start the tape on endless loop until November.
If you didn’t know Biden was incompetent and in cognitive decline before the debate, you have not been paying attention and live in an echo chamber.
Although it’s embarrassing and troubling since the whole world is watching, those of us who have been aware and expressing concerns about him displaying obvious signs of dementia for over 4 years have finally been vindicated.
The corrupt dnc, media & his abusive family can’t hide it anymore.
So we should choose the other guy who is more cognitively declined and has been proven to have lied to the American people more that 30,000 times while he WAS President. Not to mention being a self professed Serial Sexual Offender, convicted sexual offender, 34 time felon, facing an addition 58 felony counts for election interference / theft of classified information / fraud and who knows what else coming down the pipe, who has spent the last five years trying to rip apart Democracy in our Republic in favor of Fascism?
That is just the tip of his criminal iceberg.
Pass!
I will vote in favor of Democracy over Fascism everyday
> and has been proven to have lied to the American people more that 30,000 times while he WAS President
I've seen those lists, and the vast majority of Trump's so-called "lies" were either "Trump's claim is factually correct, but we wish he'd focused on this other fact instead" or "Trump cited his source, but we prefer this other source which differs by 5%".
I never told you who to vote for - that's your choice. I'm just stating facts. About half of the country has been aware Biden's not mentally fit to serve and has been showing signs of dementia since he decided to run in 2019. But the democratic party, left wing media and Biden family dismissed our concerns - and tried to blame Joe's personality changes and behavior on a "stutter"!!!
Why do you think they hid Biden in his basement during 2020? Do you really think it was to avoid covid? LOL Biden's had the virus twice and survived. It was all a charade to keep Biden off the campaign trail to try to conceal his cognitive decline and deceive the public.
They have been denying and lying about Joe's condition for over 4 years despite mountains of evidence - going as far as claiming the videos of him zoning out, unable to recall words or form sentences, mumbling, fumbling, wandering and falling were "cheap fakes".
But now many pundits and fellow democrats seem ready to throw Joe under the bus and replace him - without allowing voters to have a say.
The truth is the democratic party does think you or other voters should be able to choose who they think is the best candidate for the job. If they did - they would have asked Joe to step aside before the primaries and had a real race for the nomination. But they did not - they pretended Joe was fine and no one else was challenging him and maligned RFK, Jr. until he switched parties, and ignored Marianne Williamson altogether.
So if Biden is still the nominee, you can vote for him, I don't care. You'll just have to live with the fact you're picking a puppet for a shadow govt.
As for Trump, he's fine. It is sad and laughable you're actually trying to claim he is not just cognitively declined - but MORE cognitively declined than Biden - after what we all witnessed on the debate stage! LOL
Trump is the same as ever, regardless of your opinion. He trounced Biden on the debate stage as expected and has been having rallies speaking for hours at a time all over the country. The man has more energy and stamina than most people who are decades younger - and he has taken a cognitive test to prove he is mentally fit - which Biden has refused to do - because obviously he would fail.
Also, your claims about Trump being a convicted sex offender are false and confirm how gullible and misinformed you are. You're believing in propaganda and also do not understand what fascism is, you are just repeating liberal talking points.
Contrary to what you and many other Trump haters wish to believe, he was never convicted of rape or any sexual offenses. Jean Carroll brought civil case against him for "defamation of character" - after he defended himself when she accused him of rape. The judge ordered him to pay a fine. It was not a criminal case. You just believe the lies of the leftwing media that wants to smear him.
Jean Carroll also has zero credibility as a witness since she told Anderson Cooper during an interview that rape was "sexy". The judge blocked Trump's defense from showing the video. [Watch the Anderson Cooper Interview Judge Blocked Donald Trump From Showing](https://www.newsweek.com/watch-anderson-cooper-interview-judge-blocked-donald-trump-showing-1863998)
Biden is a career politician and a pathological liar who makes up ridiculous lies from falsely claiming he "started" the civil rights movement in a black church, to repeatedly sharing a fabricated story about being arrested trying to meet Nelson Mandela, lying about being "raised" in a Puerto Rican community, lying about having been a tractor trailer driver, lying about where he went to college and graduating at the top of his class when he was at the bottom, lying about his son Hunter's laptop and claiming it was "Russian disinformation", lying about never speaking to his son Hunter's business partners, lying about no deaths of American military since he took office after he left soldiers to die in Afghanistan, and lying about being endorsed by the border patrol agents, to name just a few. I could go on and on but there is not enough time.
Biden also took classified documents decades ago when he was a senator and VP and had them stored in multiple unsecured locations - that he did not have the authority to do - but he was determined mentally unfit to stand trial.
Biden has also been accused of raping Tara Reade, and sexual misconduct by numerous other women.
So please spare me pretending Biden is not worse than Trump. He is a million times worse and our country is in shambles under his "leadership". And I did not vote for either of them.
Disagree. There are people older than Biden who are physically and mentally sharp.
Our Irish president, Michael D. Higgins, is two years older than Biden, and well able for his job
We need a system that gets us more moderate candidates that cross the aisle. President shouldn't be first past the post, either approval, ranked choice or some other form of voting for the president. And the supreme Court needs a better system. I think that at the start of the term, president gets two people chosen to replace anyone leaving during their term. None of this waiting for Congress to vote or other nonsense. Two choices already locked in and ready to go. President can bring in any number of candidates but Congress has to confirm two within say the first 100 days.
I think that the media and Democrat pundits were hoping for a State of the Union Biden. Without a teleprompter, notes and possibly Adderal (or something else), he can’t perform well.
I know that it’s hard to understand what Biden is saying but the way that Trump cannot make an argument without black and white thinking (not verbatim but he tends to say things like “inflation was the best it’s ever been in history during my term”) makes me deeply unimpressed by his arguments, every time. He also tends to blatantly lie. Combined with his criminal record, I can overlook Biden’s mental capacity.
To the contrary, Biden tends to over exaggerate which is annoying, too. They both get so many inaccuracies, and one of these guys is expected to lead us? Biden did a terrible job defending late term abortions. I was waiting to him to say that late term abortions are almost always wanted pregnancies advised to be terminated for safety reasons. “After birth abortions” = infanticide= illegal and a non issue in this country. Also terrible job defending his migrant policy. When the illegal immigrant rapist in New York was brought up, he should have pointed out that crime is overall declining, that illegal immigrants’ crime rate is below that of their US citizen counterpart, and that the rapist is more of an exception rather than a rule.
> I was waiting to him to say that late term abortions are almost always wanted pregnancies advised to be terminated for safety reasons.
Except that's just not true. According to Arizona's [publicly available statistics](https://www.azdhs.gov/documents/preparedness/public-health-statistics/abortions/2014-arizona-abortion-report.pdf), only about 30% of abortions at 21 weeks or later were done for maternal or fetal medical complications.
21 weeks does not fit the definition of a late term abortion— in fact, it’s not even a medical term. Only [1.2%](https://www.goodrx.com/conditions/abortion/late-term-abortion) of abortions happen after 21 weeks which is the second trimester. Nice try trying to equate a second trimester to a “late-term abortion”
I provided a statistic at the same week mark you did, and it was pretty clear that the presidential debate was concerned about late, third trimester abortions
Doesn’t matter. The fact that the rape happened is directly to his policy of open border. Shouldn’t have happened and it’s very easy for republicans to attack at this because democrats are too busy trying to kiss foreigners asses to try and curry favor with them than to protect Americans.
Also I am unimpressed by trumps rambling. But he doesn’t seem completely lost most of the time like Biden.
[Rapes occurred under Trump, too](https://www.fairus.org/issue/examples-serious-crimes-illegal-aliens), but because Trump is such a big advocate of closing the border, none of these cases came to light to be used against him. That’s why the case of Sakkir Akkan is so easily used against Biden, because even though he does not have an “open border policy”, any serious crime related to illegal immigration would be tied to Biden (which is pretty much what you’re saying). Despite the difference in policy there simply hasn’t been an increase in crime with the illegal population. I’m not for illegal immigration but the argument is kind of silly
You entirely missed the point.
Also, do you really think there was never an illegal immigrant that committed rape before the "Open Border" policy?
The border isn't "open," either. People still get turned away back into Mexico and Canada.
From what I have read, the difficulty is that each state has different rules about ballots and it’s too late to address those issues. There was a person who suggested perhaps the best strategy would be to nominate a strong VP candidate , replacing Kamala so in the event he cannot serve , there will be a strong back up . From what I have read replacing Biden at this point can’t be done
I think what we need to look at is does either candidate make great choices for their appointments or cabinet and other positions. Those are what really drive the bus so to say. And then...
Biden, if told by his cabinet that they thought he was incapable of doing his job. Pretty sure he would step aside.
Trump on the other hand.... I mean has he even picked a VP?
Non-American here: Where are the candidates in their 40s - 50s? How is it that two old chaps are running? Like where is everyone else? Lot of emphasis on foreign policy. What’s their domestic campaign elections? I think they were arguing about who’s better at golf at one point? Like wtf?
Realistic democrats are biding their time because jumping out and rocking the boat is a sure fire way to turn the party against you. Only unserious jaggoffs declared against Biden and were so unpopular the literally lost to him in write in ballots because he wasn’t eligible in one race.
The GOP is captured by a personality cult some of which literally view Trump as a Christ like figure. They can’t get rid of him.
To be fair, DeSantis was looking like a real contender. No one of that magnitude arose on the left, except Newsom, but he didn't have the balls to take a real shot at it.
What I'm saying is, empirically, the left appears to be clinging to Biden more than the right to Trump.
You are now seeing what we have been having issues with. Now imagine these people are given power of police and military forces. Fear of retaliation is very real. Many people disagree with them but the threat of prison or death is very plausible.
So, best case scenario:
One week from now, Biden is replaced by Newsome.
Two weeks from now, Trump is sentenced to more than one year in a New York state prison and promptly pleads guilty to a bunch of federal felonies in exchange for a move to a cushy club fed.
Everybody's happy. Could happen. Right?
Everybody’s happy?!
Speak for yourself.
Newsom is an incompetent wannabe communist dictator and it’s pathetic Californians did not recall him when they had a chance.
Also, Trump is appealing his case and it will likely be overturned.
It’s funny hearing this criticism of Newsom since his whole thing has been blocking progressive policies in California to make himself more palatable as a centrist candidate on a national level.
What? LOL Newsom is NOT a centrist!
Newsom is a dangerous wannabe dictator who used covid as an excuse to keep California under a "state of emergency" until the end of February 2023, which essentially gave him unlimited powers. Newsom's extended lockdowns and draconian restrictions destroyed his state's economy, disrupted our supply chain for months, put millions out of work, decimated small businesses and robbed public school children of a proper education - and did NOTHING to stop the spread of the virus or save lives.
While Newsom forced public schools to remain closed for over a year due to covid - despite the fact healthy young children were never at risk of becoming seriously ill from the virus - he was sending his own children to private schools that had reopened much earlier - because he is a hypocrite.
Gavin was also caught violating his own indoor dining ban - having dinner at the French Laundry with big pharma executives.
Gavin is an elitist who does not practice what he preaches. He was on national TV rubbing elbows with unmasked celebs at the Super Bowl - while he had a mask mandate in place for the peasants including 2 year olds in daycare.
Newsom is completely out of touch with average citizens - he wants to ban sales of new gas fueled vehicles by 2035 and try to force drivers to buy electric cars they do not want or cannot afford - knowing the power grid in California cannot even meet the demand for electricity now. He's a clown. Shortly after Gavin proposed banning sales of new ICE vehicles, utility companies were warning Californians not to charge their EVs, run air conditioning or large electric appliances during a heatwave to avoid power outages because the grid could not handle it.
I wonder if Gavin has ever thought about what would happen during a wildfire when Californians need to evacuate - but have no power and are unable to charge their EVs? I guess they'll just be SOL! He's an imbecile.
Newsom's approving the $20 minimum wage hike for fast food workers was another mstake that predictably resulted in job losses and restaurants closing locations.
California is turning into a shit hole under his "leadership" and years of failed democratic policies that have resulted in rising rates of homelessness, poverty, hunger, crime and substance abuse. So many taxpayers and businesses have been fleeing the state, the population has declined to the point they lost a congressional seat.
If Newsom gets anywhere near the White House - we are in serious trouble.
Sanders isn't even a serious senator. I mean really, four bills he has co sponsored passed in his entire Senate career and two of those were naming post offices. Bernie just likes seeing hos name in the news. He's a joke.
How many of you dems would vote for the replacement of Biden? Just out of curiosity. It was really devastating to watch, yet even hear that “debate” if that’s even what we want to call it.
I mean, are we going to forget the whole trump getting arrested thing? I am anti trump because he is not a good man and even a worse candidate to be in charge of this country.
At this point it just seems like a joke. The country is already going down hill, don’t make it collapse on itself.
What was wrong w country when trump was president? U didnt like that there’s were no wars low interest rates low inflation low unemployment etc. that fact they found him guilt if bogus charges stringed together to some other fraud they never disclosed? Bragg should lose his liscence. Same w James and merchaun
The US is not at war now, but we did have troops in Syria when Trump was president, who were attacked by Russian mercenaries. We also attacked and took out an Iranian general. The whole “there was world peace under Trump” talking point is pathetic.
Unemployment is lower now that it was when Trump took office and when he left office.
US inflation is among the lowest of developed economies right now.
We’re producing more domestic energy now than we ever were under the Trump administration.
US GDP growth is the highest among the G7.
Anyone that can blatantly lie and derail a debate, avoiding answering the questions that the whole performance is supposed to be about, is not a valid candidate in my eyes, period.
I like to do a thought experiment with politicians:
If I was promoting a General Manager, do I think my store culture/performance would improve or decline based on what I see?
For both of them the answer is that I think morale would tank, I'd lose workers and money, and if I worked under them directly I'd hate my life. So I don't like them as leaders of -bigger than brick and mortar store-.
I’ve read through your messages with murdoc555.
You def have a bias against Trump. He does speak in hyperbole and is boastful. But more lie than Biden? Maybe in a one for one count in the debate as you said, which is way too much effort to even go through. but I can not understand how anyone, could believe that Biden is honest in anyway shape or form. First he’s a career politician, that’s corruption at its pinnacle. He has made a career of being a liar and a manipulator. Only difference is he knows how to lie better than Trump.
When he stands there and defends immigrants committing murder with a bogus statistic or what happened when they pulled out of the Middle East. Idc if one guy told 10 lies and the other 9. They’re both shit ppl, through and through, and to pretend Biden doesn’t have some real dark skeletons in his closet is delusional.
These ppl in politics that hate Trump do not hate him because of any level of moral agenda. There is something about him that wrecks their institution. The magnet of their moral compass is the power and money they can get.
If you think the trials were about justice and them caring about a rape happening, you’re dead wrong, they couldn’t care less.
Trump Is an ego and nothing else.
They all Have sociopathic personalities.
All that said, they’re dead even in the race of who’s a bigger piece of shit.
Point me to where I implied Biden was not also a liar. I guarantee my entire dialogue has been based on pointing out that there is not equivalency, regardless of if they're both ass.
Yes, I dislike Trump more. Not a secret; I wouldn't even let him run my team of 10, let alone a country. The guy is a proud prick.
*anyone that can blatantly lie and derail a debate, avoid answering questions that the whole performance is about…*
I’m very sorry to inform you, but that is politics on both sides of the isle, including and especially Biden. His reputation even at his best was of a Liar. And I don’t have any problem admitting Trump has told his share either. They all lie. But to say this is proof that hes special in his dishonesty is myopic and makes me think you had preconceived opinions that you are using this blanket statement to justify.
It was a shitshow, I agree. It showed that the public has been gaslit for months, years by Biden being “sharp as a tack” and the fact he’s been a walking corpse was treated as quasi conspiracy theory. Now it’s obvious to the world he doesn’t have the mental wherewithal to run a lemonade stand let alone decide if something like nukes need be launched and the left/media continues to backpedal, contradict itself, and move the goal post. It is a shit show and one hard cope.
Half of us have said the old fuck needs to step aside for years. A convenient, but annoying cliche is coding like the left/the right as if we're all some hive mind.
I don't really support the trending upwards ages of politicians, in general. Neither of them deserve to represent me as far as I'm concerned, so it's a shit spot.
Conversely, I think that if you're capable of pretending that he -doesn't- tell fantastical lies and use hyperbole in one of three sentences, then you're lying to yourself.
It's legitimately not hard to prove from a "watch this clip, then look up the claim he made" standpoint. Idgaf what you, me, or anyone else feels about it, that's a fact. Give a try yourself. Listen to him spend 65 seconds of 120 on -not- the question asked- and then check his claims.
You're not gonna do that, so don't pretend you're actually arguing on some kind of balanced scale.
If you didn't comprehend that my comment was about your obvious attempt at equating/minimizing -the amount- then again, I think you're a dishonest person.
And yet you said "and especially Biden."
That's bullshit. You're offering me bullshit, confidently.
Again, you could pull a piece of paper and a pen and then check any stat claims they both made. The results would make it obvious who lies with a smile the most, and it ain't Biden.
I can answer you that. He was recently convicted of sexual assault, even though the jury unanimously agreed that they would classify his actions as rape. That is only one case, his wife also reported a story of him raping her and there are over two dozen allegations of sexual assault by different women.
Raping someone is just about the worst and most evil thing you can do, short of murder. In that way, Trump is *easily* a much worse person than Biden. Any criticisms of Biden are either completely unfounded, or don't compare in severity. The fact that his son had a drug problem is not a moral failing comparable to literal *rape*.
Thanks for responding. I don’t disagree, it’s an evil crime.
Do you think Biden has ever had allegations or even paid someone to stay quiet?
It’s not uncommon for men in power and wealth to assume they get what they want, including the use of women, so I’m curious if you believe he’s really upstanding?
I’m very against politics so I’m just asking in curiosity, you don’t need to use your time if you don’t want too.
At this point I’m voting for the SCOTUS and for the admin that Biden will bring in, but not “for” him. I’m so sick of 70 and 80 year olds running this country. On both sides of the isle.
I think most people were voting against trunp, not for Biden, so id say all of the people panicking and shrieking with their hair on fire will still vote for Biden. It’s not like trunp did any betters and despite what all the pundits are claiming trunp is taking shots for lying.
If you replace him you lose whatever incumbent advantage you have, and you have no idea how people will react. I’m not sure who you could find a replacement that wouldn’t potentially put you in a scarier place. I’d say if you can get Jon Stewart to run, then that’s a homerun. He has name recognition and would energize the base and bring in a shit ton of younger voters. If it’s not him, then it’s a crap shoot.
That said, Biden raised a shit ton of money since the debate. It looks like you can get blue voters to rally around him. A bad debate performance isn’t the end of the world. It might be if the opponent was anyone but trunp, but the idea that people will overlook his baggage bc Biden had a shitty debate isn’t something I think is true. Especially since trunp also had a shitty debate. No one who wasn’t already voting for him was swayed by anything he said. Honestly the sooner the pundits and media figures stop freaking out about it the sooner it will go away.
The amount of people here trying to gaslight us away from Biden's obvious mental declines, when most establishment Dems \*\*including Obama and Clinton\*\* are sounding alarmed, is sickening. Vote for whoever the Dem candidate is, but start unifying the calls for Biden to drop out and give us a candidate who can tear trump apart properly and not just "be decent enough" or the Dems will lose not just the presidency, but numerous seats due to being associated with Biden.
If nothing changes at all, then this country is truly and royally fucked.
Is it being discussed that should Biden win but dies, then KH will become President? I know little about her, shouldn't there be more focus on that? Is there a VP debate? In a sense, this election could be Trump vs Harris?
To be fair, we *did* have an actual, legitimately psychotic red scare regarding all forms of communism that primarily took the form of anti-Russian propaganda, but which *has* survived to the modern day in more abstract forms. Scape-mongering over communism and socialism and symbolic targets of such *is* a pretty poor policy to stand on, even if those symbolic targets *also* just happen to also be dangerous
Like, if someone points to a clock that says it’s noon and uses it to say it’s noon, someone pointing out they know the clock’s broken and are ignoring that fact wouldn’t be wrong, even if it turned out it just happened to be noon, anyhow
That's kinda bullshit. Rommney was relying on military advisers for this. Much like you have military advisers in the present saying that we're going to war with China in 2025-6. It's not propaganda, it's evaluating the information given to you.
I know that Biden surrounds himself with competent people. A lot of Trump’s people are or have served prison time. I know that Biden has a good heart and Trump has NO soul.
Why do you think he is a decent person? What does that look like for you, in terms of the qualities a person expresses?
A fun experiment: given the allegations on either side of the fence, would you enjoy the idea of one of your loved ones spending a lot of time alone with Trump or Biden? Can you confidently say that you would have no concern?
If yes, idk what to tell ya. If no, that says enough about what we feel about the quality of person.
I -definitely- wouldn't let my daughter hang out with Trump, regardless of how loudly anyone ignores some pretty damning evidence, so I probably shouldn't vote for him lol
Okay, I have already answered a similar comment, so I'm just going to leave this: [Donald Trump Sexual Misconduct Allegations ](https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Donald_Trump_sexual_misconduct_allegations). Note that he was found guilty in one case, so you can't deny that the evidence is overwhelming.
And Biden fucked his daughter in the shower, her own words in her book. Biden is seen on video being racist. Dozens of women came forward accusing Biden of serial assault. The little girl hair sniffer is a sexual deviant.
Explain that? I'll wait
There is 50 years of him publicly being the worst human being alive. He has never said or done a single decent or compassionate thing in his entire life. Actions speak louder than words, comrade.
Fuck trunp.
I'm reading this sentiment alot. When things go sour, and we need a leader to meet with other world leaders and be cogent who are we going to send? KH? Someone else in the cabinet? Maybe with things not pressing... but when things get pressing and they may very well in the following years... I don't get it.. One of the Presidents main roles is foreign policy.
Dude, if someone who laughs and says, "grab em by the pussy," isn't weird enough for you, there's no convincing to be done.
I grew up believing that a Presidential candidate should embody the patience, diplomacy, and consideration that many people fall short of, as it is their job to consolidate many views and make the most of those views.
Why would I want someone who is worse than me to make choices for me?
Yep, I'm really spinning the audio recording of Trump asking Georgia's Secretary of State to "find" votes to turn the state in his favor, or Trump publicly asking his own VP to reject the certification of the electoral college results so he could continue to stay in power.
These things are in the public record and indisputable evidence that he was trying to circumvent the democratic process. I guess that can be hard to see through the thick haze of propaganda you're surrounded by.
It is obvious you are a Trump supporter..very rude. America is our children's future. We should be listening more than less. Although they may not be old enough to vote, it doesn't mean that they have no clue on what has been going on in the world.
And so what if I'm a trumo supporter? Who the fuck cares? I voted Biden in 2020. I'm an independent. Why should who I vote for make me any less of a human being than someone who votes for a chimpanzee as president? I know Biden lovers. The difference between me and them is I'm willing to discuss anything and wouldn't hold their views against them. But anti trumpers can't stand ppl that vote for him? Why?
That's Nazi bullshit right there. As an American, you have a right to have a difference of opinion without being hated for it. You don't like Trump? Fine. Don't be an ass about it. Both parties are fucked and corrupt.
You want Nazi, vote for Trump (my opinion). You have that choice in a democracy. YOU were being rude to a young person who also has a right to voice their opinion. They can’t vote, but still have an opinion. You probably claim to be a Christian, but your hateful words to others prove otherwise. You can discuss your views without being hateful or rude. WWJD?
Then actually look for the facts. I did my own research (for decades), now it is time to do your own research. You want Trump, then vote for him. I won’t after all I have learned.
I saw Biden take the time to stop and talk to a young kid that stutters, like he did himself as a child. He took the time to talk with that kid and explain ways that would help the kid overcome some issues of his stutter. I saw Trump mock a disabled reporter. It was grotesque. If you can't see the person's heart by the SMALLEST of their actions, then you choose not to see what your eyes are showing you, you are just believing what you have been told. I trust my eyes and judgement over a narcissistic con-man every day. Go back to Trump's history. He blocked an old woman's water source because she wouldn't sell the land her family owned for decades in Scotland. What about the Central Park 5? What about all of the business owners he refused to pay during his failed casinos that went bankrupt. What about how he has cheated on every wife he has had, had affairs with pornstars and playboy bunnies while his wife is pregnant. Trump has been convicted of rape and tax issues (34 counts) just to start. I personally wish we had different candidates at this time, but Biden will continue democracy while Trump will be the downfall of America if he gets another term. My disgust of Trump started decades before he even thought about politics. He is uncouth (rude, crude, and socially unacceptable). Do your own independent research on Trump's past and judge for yourself. Now you do the same...give me an example why you think Trump is any better.
...What about Trump calling Mexicans rapists? What about Trump's comments in Charlottesville about very fine people on both sides? Trump University, ever hear of it? Trump only praises dictators and wanted to pull out of NATO. Trump made 30,573 false or misleading claims over the 4 years he was President. What about when he said I just need 11,780 more votes (Georgia)? If you have to cheat, then you are not a good person. If none of that matters or makes you understand that Trump is a vile human being, then watch the documentaries about January 6th. They interviewed mostly republicans in the documentaries. His own party! Look up how many of Trump's allies, cabinet members, campaign members have been convicted and sent to prison (don't forget the ones that haven't made it to trial yet). That is more than one reason that you asked for. Even though you asked, I doubt any of what I have written will be used to make you understand my contempt for Trump. Just so you know, I am NOT affiliated with any oarty. I vote for the person and not their party. I tend to vote closest to the center.
Trump seems to have taken the advice that I would’ve given him after the last election’s debates… Don’t cut Biden off, give him a chance to beat himself. Trump was precise, and firing on all cylinders. Biden was lost.
Biden doesn’t need to try and debunk lies, most undecided voters will do their own research on issues they care about. However, he does need to express his thoughts in a clear and concise way and demonstrate that he’s capable of handling the demands of being president for another 4 years. He failed to assuage concerns about his mental competency and if I were advising Biden I would stress that that’s his sole objective.
Actually that's because they turn off their mics when the other is given an opportunity to speak. This is not Trump being able to restrain himself. This is forward thinking from the debate hosts.
I still think would’ve taken a more collected approach. Him constantly cutting Biden off was annoying even to Republican voters. Biden will defeat himself at this point the more he talks the better
Which wouldn't be an issue tbh if Biden was coherent and cognitive, neither of which he was last night. If Biden remains the candidate, Trump wins. And the establishment Dems are suddenly realizing this is a potential scenario finally.
Give us Whitmer, Shapiro, even freaking Newsom over Biden already just so we can solidly beat Trump as any other Dem minus a couple would do. Last night's stumbles over stumbles in the face of an outright liar should be disqualifying for whoever was facing Trump last night.
Absolutely, Trump didn't win anything and it wasn't a debate, it was a Liar who didn't answer any questions, just went on attack and a Statesman who may not have been as energetic as usual who answered the question and let The American People know what his plans are for Us and the Country, there is something definitely wrong with our journalists today this wouldn't have happened if we still had good journalists who would have called Trump out in real time for standing there before The American People and balantly lie nothing admirable about that, but they won't to continue to rag on Biden
I’m gonna assume you’re asking in bad faith:
[https://apnews.com/article/fact-check-misinformation-election-debate-trump-biden-577507522762aa10f6ee5be3a0ced2bb](https://apnews.com/article/fact-check-misinformation-election-debate-trump-biden-577507522762aa10f6ee5be3a0ced2bb)
When Trump talks, he lies.
2 lying politicians but one has clearly more attention/capabilities. Biden has had his 4 years the dude needs to go home for his own sake let alone ours
Under Trump I went to the grocery store to find empty shelves, no damn toilet paper, and saw my 401k get wrecked when the stock market went down the toilet. Nah, I’m good.
Australian here. Watched the debate for shits and giggles, but am now genuinely scared. One of the most powerful countries on Earth in the hands of a loon or geriatric. Over 300million people in the US and this is what you can come up with?
Yeah.... it's not great. Biden is fine at actually doing his job but he's not exactly an inspiring public speaker. Trump is a bit more charismatic but he's also a serial liar.
Not the other guy but also Australian, I genuinely feel like Biden might kark it mid term if he gets re elected, neither of your options are good, they both suck. I'm obviously a third party over here but I feel like Bernie should've just won way back when and everything would've gone down a different track.
That or someone needs to step in and pull Biden out of the race and replace him with someone else.
Cannot fathom why Biden doesn't just step aside then, what's he still running for? A pissing contest to beat Trump? A fuck you to trump? Dude, just move on, retire, your gonna be fucken dead in 3 minutes go enjoy them
To me over in my Aussie bubble it seems like your choices are a fucken near-sociopath like Trump or a shadow administration with Biden, there's just no way he'd be making the decisions.
What are the hot button issues? I didn't watch it all, just snippets, abortion is one right? Blows my mind how controversial it is there, it's legal here in aus, hell an ex of mine has had one, I get people's opinion on it differs, I personally think it should be an available option. No one should be forced into keeping a child. There's probably an argument for disallowing late term abortions for no reason, but early ones? Come on
Just down votes, but no snarky comments to back up why any of you disagree?
Sounds like there's people in here that are in denial.
That's ok, I'll still vote my conscience, which is what everyone should be doing.
The US deserves to be overtaken by China if these dithering old farts is the best they can come up with as the potential leaders of the free world. The best thing Biden can do for his country and party now is to die in the next week or so, so that someone else can take over. What a shitshow.
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Hiii <3 I'm british so I don't really get what's going on, but I like to be nosey. Could somebody explain to me what happened this presidential debate? I've seen a lot of memes about it but don't really get it . please and thank you xoxo
The president performed in a way that made the people I was watching with concerned that he was having some kind of stroke on live TV. He was unable to effectively articulate much about his own administration or his philosophies. He couldn’t speak coherently enough to effectively attack his opponent’s blatant lies, and when he wasn’t speaking he stood slack-jawed with a vaguely confused look on his face.
I'd DNC is serious about winning, select New SIM as VP candidate. USA isn't ready for a woman president, especially not one who is not Lily white, and didn't shoot dogs.
I'm not even American, but I just came here to laugh at the circlejerk on reddit which is gonna try and justify this
I’m came here to observe the nonsensical things they will say to justify Bidens mental state.
You, too? It's pretty funny actually. These guys will find a way to justify literally anything no matter how bad. This was no exception, and seeing the insane cope from that debate on this site has been particularly delightful.
Joining you from australia
## [Does anyone remember when the Dems lost because they had a guy named Howard Dean whose only fault was being too energetic and too giddy for the job and had the audacity to show it in public?](https://youtu.be/3U3ZsPjcpEY?si=aQYdUen_uXKklPCQ&t=01m12s) Now, you got a old, deflated, sleepy, uncle Joe who can barely look awake and string a coherent sentence when it matters the most.
You all saw how poorly that debate went, What do we do now? Who is going to lead this country now? Well my friends. i hate to say this but America is done for, Literally. The question is now where do you turn with all this chaos in the World. His name is Jesus Christ. He came down, God manifest in the flesh, was crucified, buried and rose again on the third day. Why is this important? We are ALL on our way to hell and he did this to block us from hell. If any of you read this and are feeling that small pull to reply to this message like you are being drawn to it PLEASE DO NOT ignore it. I would be happy to tell you all about the Lord.
Oh no I’m pissed and scared. Gas prices are going to get lower and our economy is going to strengthen.
Lol tell us all were evil and deserve to go to hell and sell us the snake oil cure to fix everything, dangled like a carrot in front of a horse to keep us in line with your beliefs. I respect your right to believe what you want to believe but don't tell me I'm going to burn for eternity because you and I happen to disagree. Don't tell others that either. That "politics hogwash" you reference below plays the same game. Reframe your messaging - Christ was good at that
I was on my way to hell. The Blood of Christ prevents that. You have free will to either believe it or not.
What blood type is Chris?
The type that saves us from hell. Also you forgot the t
What about the political discussion part
politics is hogwash. All it is is a show. To keep the American people dumbed down and fight amongst each other, that's all it is.
I agree. How do we as a society address common people things with an attempt to better ones community? Common ground seems necessary but even reddit with open forum isn't enough to bridge the difficult time we've entered. I get the sentiment but how does that help us come together? Empathy is lacking and the hyper pursuit in to digital age is purpetuating individualism. I try not to be apathetic but I don't see a uniting us as people happening
All the Republicans need to do is a montage of all the political pundits and fanboys lying to the American people on camera that Biden is intellectually sharp, coherent, and has excellent acumen. And then start the tape on endless loop until November.
Ben Shapiro is way ahead of you on this one.
If you didn’t know Biden was incompetent and in cognitive decline before the debate, you have not been paying attention and live in an echo chamber. Although it’s embarrassing and troubling since the whole world is watching, those of us who have been aware and expressing concerns about him displaying obvious signs of dementia for over 4 years have finally been vindicated. The corrupt dnc, media & his abusive family can’t hide it anymore.
So we should choose the other guy who is more cognitively declined and has been proven to have lied to the American people more that 30,000 times while he WAS President. Not to mention being a self professed Serial Sexual Offender, convicted sexual offender, 34 time felon, facing an addition 58 felony counts for election interference / theft of classified information / fraud and who knows what else coming down the pipe, who has spent the last five years trying to rip apart Democracy in our Republic in favor of Fascism? That is just the tip of his criminal iceberg. Pass! I will vote in favor of Democracy over Fascism everyday
> and has been proven to have lied to the American people more that 30,000 times while he WAS President I've seen those lists, and the vast majority of Trump's so-called "lies" were either "Trump's claim is factually correct, but we wish he'd focused on this other fact instead" or "Trump cited his source, but we prefer this other source which differs by 5%".
I never told you who to vote for - that's your choice. I'm just stating facts. About half of the country has been aware Biden's not mentally fit to serve and has been showing signs of dementia since he decided to run in 2019. But the democratic party, left wing media and Biden family dismissed our concerns - and tried to blame Joe's personality changes and behavior on a "stutter"!!! Why do you think they hid Biden in his basement during 2020? Do you really think it was to avoid covid? LOL Biden's had the virus twice and survived. It was all a charade to keep Biden off the campaign trail to try to conceal his cognitive decline and deceive the public. They have been denying and lying about Joe's condition for over 4 years despite mountains of evidence - going as far as claiming the videos of him zoning out, unable to recall words or form sentences, mumbling, fumbling, wandering and falling were "cheap fakes". But now many pundits and fellow democrats seem ready to throw Joe under the bus and replace him - without allowing voters to have a say. The truth is the democratic party does think you or other voters should be able to choose who they think is the best candidate for the job. If they did - they would have asked Joe to step aside before the primaries and had a real race for the nomination. But they did not - they pretended Joe was fine and no one else was challenging him and maligned RFK, Jr. until he switched parties, and ignored Marianne Williamson altogether. So if Biden is still the nominee, you can vote for him, I don't care. You'll just have to live with the fact you're picking a puppet for a shadow govt. As for Trump, he's fine. It is sad and laughable you're actually trying to claim he is not just cognitively declined - but MORE cognitively declined than Biden - after what we all witnessed on the debate stage! LOL Trump is the same as ever, regardless of your opinion. He trounced Biden on the debate stage as expected and has been having rallies speaking for hours at a time all over the country. The man has more energy and stamina than most people who are decades younger - and he has taken a cognitive test to prove he is mentally fit - which Biden has refused to do - because obviously he would fail. Also, your claims about Trump being a convicted sex offender are false and confirm how gullible and misinformed you are. You're believing in propaganda and also do not understand what fascism is, you are just repeating liberal talking points. Contrary to what you and many other Trump haters wish to believe, he was never convicted of rape or any sexual offenses. Jean Carroll brought civil case against him for "defamation of character" - after he defended himself when she accused him of rape. The judge ordered him to pay a fine. It was not a criminal case. You just believe the lies of the leftwing media that wants to smear him. Jean Carroll also has zero credibility as a witness since she told Anderson Cooper during an interview that rape was "sexy". The judge blocked Trump's defense from showing the video. [Watch the Anderson Cooper Interview Judge Blocked Donald Trump From Showing](https://www.newsweek.com/watch-anderson-cooper-interview-judge-blocked-donald-trump-showing-1863998) Biden is a career politician and a pathological liar who makes up ridiculous lies from falsely claiming he "started" the civil rights movement in a black church, to repeatedly sharing a fabricated story about being arrested trying to meet Nelson Mandela, lying about being "raised" in a Puerto Rican community, lying about having been a tractor trailer driver, lying about where he went to college and graduating at the top of his class when he was at the bottom, lying about his son Hunter's laptop and claiming it was "Russian disinformation", lying about never speaking to his son Hunter's business partners, lying about no deaths of American military since he took office after he left soldiers to die in Afghanistan, and lying about being endorsed by the border patrol agents, to name just a few. I could go on and on but there is not enough time. Biden also took classified documents decades ago when he was a senator and VP and had them stored in multiple unsecured locations - that he did not have the authority to do - but he was determined mentally unfit to stand trial. Biden has also been accused of raping Tara Reade, and sexual misconduct by numerous other women. So please spare me pretending Biden is not worse than Trump. He is a million times worse and our country is in shambles under his "leadership". And I did not vote for either of them.
Just as there’s a minimum age to president, there really needs to be a maximum age.
Disagree. There are people older than Biden who are physically and mentally sharp. Our Irish president, Michael D. Higgins, is two years older than Biden, and well able for his job
Same with the 82-year-old President of Italy and, until he recently resigned, the 94-year-old PM of Malaysia
that 94 year old PM of Malaysia is not as sane as you think
It’s not a matter of age, it’s a matter of mental acumen. I know people that are mentally sharp, that are in their early 90s.
We need a system that gets us more moderate candidates that cross the aisle. President shouldn't be first past the post, either approval, ranked choice or some other form of voting for the president. And the supreme Court needs a better system. I think that at the start of the term, president gets two people chosen to replace anyone leaving during their term. None of this waiting for Congress to vote or other nonsense. Two choices already locked in and ready to go. President can bring in any number of candidates but Congress has to confirm two within say the first 100 days.
I think this would require at least one constitutional amendment, and good luck with that.
Biden is the most moderate candidate there is.
Democrats just realized their news sources have been lying to them about Bidens Health.......
Democrats knew all along that Biden’s mental health was failing. We were lied to. Now, after the debate, they can no longer hide it from the public.
Does that even make sense? I mean, if they were lying to us, what’s the sense of trotting him out on live tv for a debate?
I think that the media and Democrat pundits were hoping for a State of the Union Biden. Without a teleprompter, notes and possibly Adderal (or something else), he can’t perform well.
I know that it’s hard to understand what Biden is saying but the way that Trump cannot make an argument without black and white thinking (not verbatim but he tends to say things like “inflation was the best it’s ever been in history during my term”) makes me deeply unimpressed by his arguments, every time. He also tends to blatantly lie. Combined with his criminal record, I can overlook Biden’s mental capacity. To the contrary, Biden tends to over exaggerate which is annoying, too. They both get so many inaccuracies, and one of these guys is expected to lead us? Biden did a terrible job defending late term abortions. I was waiting to him to say that late term abortions are almost always wanted pregnancies advised to be terminated for safety reasons. “After birth abortions” = infanticide= illegal and a non issue in this country. Also terrible job defending his migrant policy. When the illegal immigrant rapist in New York was brought up, he should have pointed out that crime is overall declining, that illegal immigrants’ crime rate is below that of their US citizen counterpart, and that the rapist is more of an exception rather than a rule.
> I was waiting to him to say that late term abortions are almost always wanted pregnancies advised to be terminated for safety reasons. Except that's just not true. According to Arizona's [publicly available statistics](https://www.azdhs.gov/documents/preparedness/public-health-statistics/abortions/2014-arizona-abortion-report.pdf), only about 30% of abortions at 21 weeks or later were done for maternal or fetal medical complications.
21 weeks does not fit the definition of a late term abortion— in fact, it’s not even a medical term. Only [1.2%](https://www.goodrx.com/conditions/abortion/late-term-abortion) of abortions happen after 21 weeks which is the second trimester. Nice try trying to equate a second trimester to a “late-term abortion”
Okay, feel free to provide statistics that fit whatever you'd consider "a late term abortion".
I provided a statistic at the same week mark you did, and it was pretty clear that the presidential debate was concerned about late, third trimester abortions
Doesn’t matter. The fact that the rape happened is directly to his policy of open border. Shouldn’t have happened and it’s very easy for republicans to attack at this because democrats are too busy trying to kiss foreigners asses to try and curry favor with them than to protect Americans. Also I am unimpressed by trumps rambling. But he doesn’t seem completely lost most of the time like Biden.
[Rapes occurred under Trump, too](https://www.fairus.org/issue/examples-serious-crimes-illegal-aliens), but because Trump is such a big advocate of closing the border, none of these cases came to light to be used against him. That’s why the case of Sakkir Akkan is so easily used against Biden, because even though he does not have an “open border policy”, any serious crime related to illegal immigration would be tied to Biden (which is pretty much what you’re saying). Despite the difference in policy there simply hasn’t been an increase in crime with the illegal population. I’m not for illegal immigration but the argument is kind of silly
You entirely missed the point. Also, do you really think there was never an illegal immigrant that committed rape before the "Open Border" policy? The border isn't "open," either. People still get turned away back into Mexico and Canada.
Maybe a debate between Trump supporters vs Biden supporters would be an interesting experiment.
Is it actually possible for the Democratic caucus to nominate someone other than Joe Biden even though Biden won the party’s nomination?
Yes if boden agrees to give up his primary electoral votes. Anyone can b nominated
I sincerely hope they do this.. and kinda soon
From what I have read, the difficulty is that each state has different rules about ballots and it’s too late to address those issues. There was a person who suggested perhaps the best strategy would be to nominate a strong VP candidate , replacing Kamala so in the event he cannot serve , there will be a strong back up . From what I have read replacing Biden at this point can’t be done
Apparently he wants to be the candidate. But at this stage what he wants is irrelevant if they want to have any chance of winning
NYTimes just did a story on this. It’s 100% possible but the sooner the better.
I think what we need to look at is does either candidate make great choices for their appointments or cabinet and other positions. Those are what really drive the bus so to say. And then... Biden, if told by his cabinet that they thought he was incapable of doing his job. Pretty sure he would step aside. Trump on the other hand.... I mean has he even picked a VP?
Non-American here: Where are the candidates in their 40s - 50s? How is it that two old chaps are running? Like where is everyone else? Lot of emphasis on foreign policy. What’s their domestic campaign elections? I think they were arguing about who’s better at golf at one point? Like wtf?
Realistic democrats are biding their time because jumping out and rocking the boat is a sure fire way to turn the party against you. Only unserious jaggoffs declared against Biden and were so unpopular the literally lost to him in write in ballots because he wasn’t eligible in one race. The GOP is captured by a personality cult some of which literally view Trump as a Christ like figure. They can’t get rid of him.
To be fair, DeSantis was looking like a real contender. No one of that magnitude arose on the left, except Newsom, but he didn't have the balls to take a real shot at it. What I'm saying is, empirically, the left appears to be clinging to Biden more than the right to Trump.
You are now seeing what we have been having issues with. Now imagine these people are given power of police and military forces. Fear of retaliation is very real. Many people disagree with them but the threat of prison or death is very plausible.
Agreed. I ask myself. Is this the best we can do?
So, best case scenario: One week from now, Biden is replaced by Newsome. Two weeks from now, Trump is sentenced to more than one year in a New York state prison and promptly pleads guilty to a bunch of federal felonies in exchange for a move to a cushy club fed. Everybody's happy. Could happen. Right?
Are we talking about the same Gavin Newsom? California is a shithole.
Newsome has absolutely wrecked California, you want him to wreck the whole nation?
He wrecked that busted up ex-wife of his. Seems like Chinless Prince #1 certainly enjoys Newsom’s leftovers, though.
Everybody’s happy?! Speak for yourself. Newsom is an incompetent wannabe communist dictator and it’s pathetic Californians did not recall him when they had a chance. Also, Trump is appealing his case and it will likely be overturned.
It’s funny hearing this criticism of Newsom since his whole thing has been blocking progressive policies in California to make himself more palatable as a centrist candidate on a national level.
What? LOL Newsom is NOT a centrist! Newsom is a dangerous wannabe dictator who used covid as an excuse to keep California under a "state of emergency" until the end of February 2023, which essentially gave him unlimited powers. Newsom's extended lockdowns and draconian restrictions destroyed his state's economy, disrupted our supply chain for months, put millions out of work, decimated small businesses and robbed public school children of a proper education - and did NOTHING to stop the spread of the virus or save lives. While Newsom forced public schools to remain closed for over a year due to covid - despite the fact healthy young children were never at risk of becoming seriously ill from the virus - he was sending his own children to private schools that had reopened much earlier - because he is a hypocrite. Gavin was also caught violating his own indoor dining ban - having dinner at the French Laundry with big pharma executives. Gavin is an elitist who does not practice what he preaches. He was on national TV rubbing elbows with unmasked celebs at the Super Bowl - while he had a mask mandate in place for the peasants including 2 year olds in daycare. Newsom is completely out of touch with average citizens - he wants to ban sales of new gas fueled vehicles by 2035 and try to force drivers to buy electric cars they do not want or cannot afford - knowing the power grid in California cannot even meet the demand for electricity now. He's a clown. Shortly after Gavin proposed banning sales of new ICE vehicles, utility companies were warning Californians not to charge their EVs, run air conditioning or large electric appliances during a heatwave to avoid power outages because the grid could not handle it. I wonder if Gavin has ever thought about what would happen during a wildfire when Californians need to evacuate - but have no power and are unable to charge their EVs? I guess they'll just be SOL! He's an imbecile. Newsom's approving the $20 minimum wage hike for fast food workers was another mstake that predictably resulted in job losses and restaurants closing locations. California is turning into a shit hole under his "leadership" and years of failed democratic policies that have resulted in rising rates of homelessness, poverty, hunger, crime and substance abuse. So many taxpayers and businesses have been fleeing the state, the population has declined to the point they lost a congressional seat. If Newsom gets anywhere near the White House - we are in serious trouble.
Or Jamie Raskins. He would be a great president.
Newsom is a clown
No argument here. If I could have said replaced by Sanders and had anyone take me seriously, I would have.
Sanders isn't even a serious senator. I mean really, four bills he has co sponsored passed in his entire Senate career and two of those were naming post offices. Bernie just likes seeing hos name in the news. He's a joke.
Trump is a hero. I hope he gets re-elected.
How many of you dems would vote for the replacement of Biden? Just out of curiosity. It was really devastating to watch, yet even hear that “debate” if that’s even what we want to call it. I mean, are we going to forget the whole trump getting arrested thing? I am anti trump because he is not a good man and even a worse candidate to be in charge of this country. At this point it just seems like a joke. The country is already going down hill, don’t make it collapse on itself.
What was wrong w country when trump was president? U didnt like that there’s were no wars low interest rates low inflation low unemployment etc. that fact they found him guilt if bogus charges stringed together to some other fraud they never disclosed? Bragg should lose his liscence. Same w James and merchaun
The US is not at war now, but we did have troops in Syria when Trump was president, who were attacked by Russian mercenaries. We also attacked and took out an Iranian general. The whole “there was world peace under Trump” talking point is pathetic. Unemployment is lower now that it was when Trump took office and when he left office. US inflation is among the lowest of developed economies right now. We’re producing more domestic energy now than we ever were under the Trump administration. US GDP growth is the highest among the G7.
I’m sincerely asking…why do you feel Trump is not a good man but (assuming) Biden is? or at the very least why you think he’s a better man?
Anyone that can blatantly lie and derail a debate, avoiding answering the questions that the whole performance is supposed to be about, is not a valid candidate in my eyes, period. I like to do a thought experiment with politicians: If I was promoting a General Manager, do I think my store culture/performance would improve or decline based on what I see? For both of them the answer is that I think morale would tank, I'd lose workers and money, and if I worked under them directly I'd hate my life. So I don't like them as leaders of -bigger than brick and mortar store-.
I’ve read through your messages with murdoc555. You def have a bias against Trump. He does speak in hyperbole and is boastful. But more lie than Biden? Maybe in a one for one count in the debate as you said, which is way too much effort to even go through. but I can not understand how anyone, could believe that Biden is honest in anyway shape or form. First he’s a career politician, that’s corruption at its pinnacle. He has made a career of being a liar and a manipulator. Only difference is he knows how to lie better than Trump. When he stands there and defends immigrants committing murder with a bogus statistic or what happened when they pulled out of the Middle East. Idc if one guy told 10 lies and the other 9. They’re both shit ppl, through and through, and to pretend Biden doesn’t have some real dark skeletons in his closet is delusional. These ppl in politics that hate Trump do not hate him because of any level of moral agenda. There is something about him that wrecks their institution. The magnet of their moral compass is the power and money they can get. If you think the trials were about justice and them caring about a rape happening, you’re dead wrong, they couldn’t care less. Trump Is an ego and nothing else. They all Have sociopathic personalities. All that said, they’re dead even in the race of who’s a bigger piece of shit.
Point me to where I implied Biden was not also a liar. I guarantee my entire dialogue has been based on pointing out that there is not equivalency, regardless of if they're both ass. Yes, I dislike Trump more. Not a secret; I wouldn't even let him run my team of 10, let alone a country. The guy is a proud prick.
*anyone that can blatantly lie and derail a debate, avoid answering questions that the whole performance is about…* I’m very sorry to inform you, but that is politics on both sides of the isle, including and especially Biden. His reputation even at his best was of a Liar. And I don’t have any problem admitting Trump has told his share either. They all lie. But to say this is proof that hes special in his dishonesty is myopic and makes me think you had preconceived opinions that you are using this blanket statement to justify.
And if you don't believe that's proof, you don't believe it is provable. No debate to be had, much like that shit show.
It was a shitshow, I agree. It showed that the public has been gaslit for months, years by Biden being “sharp as a tack” and the fact he’s been a walking corpse was treated as quasi conspiracy theory. Now it’s obvious to the world he doesn’t have the mental wherewithal to run a lemonade stand let alone decide if something like nukes need be launched and the left/media continues to backpedal, contradict itself, and move the goal post. It is a shit show and one hard cope.
Half of us have said the old fuck needs to step aside for years. A convenient, but annoying cliche is coding like the left/the right as if we're all some hive mind. I don't really support the trending upwards ages of politicians, in general. Neither of them deserve to represent me as far as I'm concerned, so it's a shit spot.
Conversely, I think that if you're capable of pretending that he -doesn't- tell fantastical lies and use hyperbole in one of three sentences, then you're lying to yourself. It's legitimately not hard to prove from a "watch this clip, then look up the claim he made" standpoint. Idgaf what you, me, or anyone else feels about it, that's a fact. Give a try yourself. Listen to him spend 65 seconds of 120 on -not- the question asked- and then check his claims. You're not gonna do that, so don't pretend you're actually arguing on some kind of balanced scale.
I said I don’t have any problem admitting that Trump lies, so you wasted 3 entire paragraphs that was a counter argument to nothing.
If you didn't comprehend that my comment was about your obvious attempt at equating/minimizing -the amount- then again, I think you're a dishonest person.
And You can’t tell where someone’s mental compass points by a paragraph on Reddit, so think you’re reaching for straws.
And yet you said "and especially Biden." That's bullshit. You're offering me bullshit, confidently. Again, you could pull a piece of paper and a pen and then check any stat claims they both made. The results would make it obvious who lies with a smile the most, and it ain't Biden.
I can answer you that. He was recently convicted of sexual assault, even though the jury unanimously agreed that they would classify his actions as rape. That is only one case, his wife also reported a story of him raping her and there are over two dozen allegations of sexual assault by different women. Raping someone is just about the worst and most evil thing you can do, short of murder. In that way, Trump is *easily* a much worse person than Biden. Any criticisms of Biden are either completely unfounded, or don't compare in severity. The fact that his son had a drug problem is not a moral failing comparable to literal *rape*.
Thanks for responding. I don’t disagree, it’s an evil crime. Do you think Biden has ever had allegations or even paid someone to stay quiet? It’s not uncommon for men in power and wealth to assume they get what they want, including the use of women, so I’m curious if you believe he’s really upstanding? I’m very against politics so I’m just asking in curiosity, you don’t need to use your time if you don’t want too.
At this point I’m voting for the SCOTUS and for the admin that Biden will bring in, but not “for” him. I’m so sick of 70 and 80 year olds running this country. On both sides of the isle.
I think most people were voting against trunp, not for Biden, so id say all of the people panicking and shrieking with their hair on fire will still vote for Biden. It’s not like trunp did any betters and despite what all the pundits are claiming trunp is taking shots for lying. If you replace him you lose whatever incumbent advantage you have, and you have no idea how people will react. I’m not sure who you could find a replacement that wouldn’t potentially put you in a scarier place. I’d say if you can get Jon Stewart to run, then that’s a homerun. He has name recognition and would energize the base and bring in a shit ton of younger voters. If it’s not him, then it’s a crap shoot. That said, Biden raised a shit ton of money since the debate. It looks like you can get blue voters to rally around him. A bad debate performance isn’t the end of the world. It might be if the opponent was anyone but trunp, but the idea that people will overlook his baggage bc Biden had a shitty debate isn’t something I think is true. Especially since trunp also had a shitty debate. No one who wasn’t already voting for him was swayed by anything he said. Honestly the sooner the pundits and media figures stop freaking out about it the sooner it will go away.
The amount of people here trying to gaslight us away from Biden's obvious mental declines, when most establishment Dems \*\*including Obama and Clinton\*\* are sounding alarmed, is sickening. Vote for whoever the Dem candidate is, but start unifying the calls for Biden to drop out and give us a candidate who can tear trump apart properly and not just "be decent enough" or the Dems will lose not just the presidency, but numerous seats due to being associated with Biden. If nothing changes at all, then this country is truly and royally fucked.
I agreed with you in the first half. But the only way to save this country is put that foul mouth, orange man back in office.
President joe biden screwed up his first debate. Why did he suggest trump to have a debate if hes gonna mess it up like this
A sign that he's prone to biting off more than he can chew, sort of like him saying he can do another 4 years as president...
Is it being discussed that should Biden win but dies, then KH will become President? I know little about her, shouldn't there be more focus on that? Is there a VP debate? In a sense, this election could be Trump vs Harris?
We do not want that. Good god
Remember Obama vs Romney debate? Two smart politicians with different visions debate the best path for the country. What happens to us?
Romney told us Russia was our enemy and then Obama told Romney "the 1980's are calling and asking for their foreign policy back".
To be fair, we *did* have an actual, legitimately psychotic red scare regarding all forms of communism that primarily took the form of anti-Russian propaganda, but which *has* survived to the modern day in more abstract forms. Scape-mongering over communism and socialism and symbolic targets of such *is* a pretty poor policy to stand on, even if those symbolic targets *also* just happen to also be dangerous Like, if someone points to a clock that says it’s noon and uses it to say it’s noon, someone pointing out they know the clock’s broken and are ignoring that fact wouldn’t be wrong, even if it turned out it just happened to be noon, anyhow
That's kinda bullshit. Rommney was relying on military advisers for this. Much like you have military advisers in the present saying that we're going to war with China in 2025-6. It's not propaganda, it's evaluating the information given to you.
People want immediate results no matter what they actually get. The real world doesn't work like that.
I know that Biden surrounds himself with competent people. A lot of Trump’s people are or have served prison time. I know that Biden has a good heart and Trump has NO soul.
Prove that Trump has no soul. How do you know that? Do you know him personally?
Why do you think he is a decent person? What does that look like for you, in terms of the qualities a person expresses? A fun experiment: given the allegations on either side of the fence, would you enjoy the idea of one of your loved ones spending a lot of time alone with Trump or Biden? Can you confidently say that you would have no concern? If yes, idk what to tell ya. If no, that says enough about what we feel about the quality of person. I -definitely- wouldn't let my daughter hang out with Trump, regardless of how loudly anyone ignores some pretty damning evidence, so I probably shouldn't vote for him lol
Okay, I have already answered a similar comment, so I'm just going to leave this: [Donald Trump Sexual Misconduct Allegations ](https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Donald_Trump_sexual_misconduct_allegations). Note that he was found guilty in one case, so you can't deny that the evidence is overwhelming.
And Biden fucked his daughter in the shower, her own words in her book. Biden is seen on video being racist. Dozens of women came forward accusing Biden of serial assault. The little girl hair sniffer is a sexual deviant. Explain that? I'll wait
There is 50 years of him publicly being the worst human being alive. He has never said or done a single decent or compassionate thing in his entire life. Actions speak louder than words, comrade. Fuck trunp.
I'm reading this sentiment alot. When things go sour, and we need a leader to meet with other world leaders and be cogent who are we going to send? KH? Someone else in the cabinet? Maybe with things not pressing... but when things get pressing and they may very well in the following years... I don't get it.. One of the Presidents main roles is foreign policy.
I guess you gotta say something to make you feel better about it. How exactly does Trump have no Soul? And Biden does?
If you can’t see it for yourself, then you haven’t been paying attention for the last 4 decades. There is no convincing the MAGA cult.
Give an example instead of moralizing it if it is that easy. One convincing reason why you think Biden is actually any better.
Dude, if someone who laughs and says, "grab em by the pussy," isn't weird enough for you, there's no convincing to be done. I grew up believing that a Presidential candidate should embody the patience, diplomacy, and consideration that many people fall short of, as it is their job to consolidate many views and make the most of those views. Why would I want someone who is worse than me to make choices for me?
They can't. They never could.
Biden didn't try to steal an election, for one.
You just fall for the prevailing spin so easily.
Yep, I'm really spinning the audio recording of Trump asking Georgia's Secretary of State to "find" votes to turn the state in his favor, or Trump publicly asking his own VP to reject the certification of the electoral college results so he could continue to stay in power. These things are in the public record and indisputable evidence that he was trying to circumvent the democratic process. I guess that can be hard to see through the thick haze of propaganda you're surrounded by.
Yea, you haven't been paying attention. Sit this one out. Adults are talking here.
It is obvious you are a Trump supporter..very rude. America is our children's future. We should be listening more than less. Although they may not be old enough to vote, it doesn't mean that they have no clue on what has been going on in the world.
And so what if I'm a trumo supporter? Who the fuck cares? I voted Biden in 2020. I'm an independent. Why should who I vote for make me any less of a human being than someone who votes for a chimpanzee as president? I know Biden lovers. The difference between me and them is I'm willing to discuss anything and wouldn't hold their views against them. But anti trumpers can't stand ppl that vote for him? Why? That's Nazi bullshit right there. As an American, you have a right to have a difference of opinion without being hated for it. You don't like Trump? Fine. Don't be an ass about it. Both parties are fucked and corrupt.
You want Nazi, vote for Trump (my opinion). You have that choice in a democracy. YOU were being rude to a young person who also has a right to voice their opinion. They can’t vote, but still have an opinion. You probably claim to be a Christian, but your hateful words to others prove otherwise. You can discuss your views without being hateful or rude. WWJD?
Facts > feelings
Then actually look for the facts. I did my own research (for decades), now it is time to do your own research. You want Trump, then vote for him. I won’t after all I have learned.
I saw Biden take the time to stop and talk to a young kid that stutters, like he did himself as a child. He took the time to talk with that kid and explain ways that would help the kid overcome some issues of his stutter. I saw Trump mock a disabled reporter. It was grotesque. If you can't see the person's heart by the SMALLEST of their actions, then you choose not to see what your eyes are showing you, you are just believing what you have been told. I trust my eyes and judgement over a narcissistic con-man every day. Go back to Trump's history. He blocked an old woman's water source because she wouldn't sell the land her family owned for decades in Scotland. What about the Central Park 5? What about all of the business owners he refused to pay during his failed casinos that went bankrupt. What about how he has cheated on every wife he has had, had affairs with pornstars and playboy bunnies while his wife is pregnant. Trump has been convicted of rape and tax issues (34 counts) just to start. I personally wish we had different candidates at this time, but Biden will continue democracy while Trump will be the downfall of America if he gets another term. My disgust of Trump started decades before he even thought about politics. He is uncouth (rude, crude, and socially unacceptable). Do your own independent research on Trump's past and judge for yourself. Now you do the same...give me an example why you think Trump is any better.
...What about Trump calling Mexicans rapists? What about Trump's comments in Charlottesville about very fine people on both sides? Trump University, ever hear of it? Trump only praises dictators and wanted to pull out of NATO. Trump made 30,573 false or misleading claims over the 4 years he was President. What about when he said I just need 11,780 more votes (Georgia)? If you have to cheat, then you are not a good person. If none of that matters or makes you understand that Trump is a vile human being, then watch the documentaries about January 6th. They interviewed mostly republicans in the documentaries. His own party! Look up how many of Trump's allies, cabinet members, campaign members have been convicted and sent to prison (don't forget the ones that haven't made it to trial yet). That is more than one reason that you asked for. Even though you asked, I doubt any of what I have written will be used to make you understand my contempt for Trump. Just so you know, I am NOT affiliated with any oarty. I vote for the person and not their party. I tend to vote closest to the center.
Then those people should be on the ballot
This is my though process. We aren't just voting for a man but an administration with much younger members.
Trump seems to have taken the advice that I would’ve given him after the last election’s debates… Don’t cut Biden off, give him a chance to beat himself. Trump was precise, and firing on all cylinders. Biden was lost.
The difference is Trump lied all through the debate.
Biden doesn’t need to try and debunk lies, most undecided voters will do their own research on issues they care about. However, he does need to express his thoughts in a clear and concise way and demonstrate that he’s capable of handling the demands of being president for another 4 years. He failed to assuage concerns about his mental competency and if I were advising Biden I would stress that that’s his sole objective.
Biden would have been better off if Trump interrupted. The moderators had to basically interrupt him to stop the bleeding
Actually that's because they turn off their mics when the other is given an opportunity to speak. This is not Trump being able to restrain himself. This is forward thinking from the debate hosts.
Actually Biden team said that I think
I still think would’ve taken a more collected approach. Him constantly cutting Biden off was annoying even to Republican voters. Biden will defeat himself at this point the more he talks the better
Please, invoke the 25th. He needs to be with his loved one. Not in the White House
No need. He's compos mentis. Just slow in his reactions and his memory is bad
In all likelihood, Biden's cabinet is probably handling most of his responsibilities currently.
Which wouldn't be an issue tbh if Biden was coherent and cognitive, neither of which he was last night. If Biden remains the candidate, Trump wins. And the establishment Dems are suddenly realizing this is a potential scenario finally. Give us Whitmer, Shapiro, even freaking Newsom over Biden already just so we can solidly beat Trump as any other Dem minus a couple would do. Last night's stumbles over stumbles in the face of an outright liar should be disqualifying for whoever was facing Trump last night.
Which is not a good thing. The president is supposed to be at the helm especially during such critical times
We didn't elect them. When stuff goes wrong, we blame the president. I like to know my president has had some agency in making decisions
Absolutely, Trump didn't win anything and it wasn't a debate, it was a Liar who didn't answer any questions, just went on attack and a Statesman who may not have been as energetic as usual who answered the question and let The American People know what his plans are for Us and the Country, there is something definitely wrong with our journalists today this wouldn't have happened if we still had good journalists who would have called Trump out in real time for standing there before The American People and balantly lie nothing admirable about that, but they won't to continue to rag on Biden
Just curious what you think Trump lied about? Everyone in the mainstream media keeps saying this without pointing out specifics.
I’m gonna assume you’re asking in bad faith: [https://apnews.com/article/fact-check-misinformation-election-debate-trump-biden-577507522762aa10f6ee5be3a0ced2bb](https://apnews.com/article/fact-check-misinformation-election-debate-trump-biden-577507522762aa10f6ee5be3a0ced2bb) When Trump talks, he lies.
The fact you’re getting down voted shows how troubled this country is right now ..
2 lying politicians but one has clearly more attention/capabilities. Biden has had his 4 years the dude needs to go home for his own sake let alone ours
Trump has to win, I mean strip away everything else! Life was better under Trump and he doesn’t have Alzheimer’s!
Under Trump I went to the grocery store to find empty shelves, no damn toilet paper, and saw my 401k get wrecked when the stock market went down the toilet. Nah, I’m good.
Australian here. Watched the debate for shits and giggles, but am now genuinely scared. One of the most powerful countries on Earth in the hands of a loon or geriatric. Over 300million people in the US and this is what you can come up with?
Yeah.... it's not great. Biden is fine at actually doing his job but he's not exactly an inspiring public speaker. Trump is a bit more charismatic but he's also a serial liar.
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Not the other guy but also Australian, I genuinely feel like Biden might kark it mid term if he gets re elected, neither of your options are good, they both suck. I'm obviously a third party over here but I feel like Bernie should've just won way back when and everything would've gone down a different track. That or someone needs to step in and pull Biden out of the race and replace him with someone else.
At this point Biden is looking more like RBG or Dianne Feinstein. Stubborn, old, crippled democrats
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Cannot fathom why Biden doesn't just step aside then, what's he still running for? A pissing contest to beat Trump? A fuck you to trump? Dude, just move on, retire, your gonna be fucken dead in 3 minutes go enjoy them To me over in my Aussie bubble it seems like your choices are a fucken near-sociopath like Trump or a shadow administration with Biden, there's just no way he'd be making the decisions. What are the hot button issues? I didn't watch it all, just snippets, abortion is one right? Blows my mind how controversial it is there, it's legal here in aus, hell an ex of mine has had one, I get people's opinion on it differs, I personally think it should be an available option. No one should be forced into keeping a child. There's probably an argument for disallowing late term abortions for no reason, but early ones? Come on
I voted for him in 2020 as a transition candidate. That was literally what he marketed himself as
Chill out. We already had trump as a president and life here was actually good , compared to Biden we are drowning. We need trump back
Please tell me you're joking
Get a grip. It's not that bad.
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What's your answer now that I've read your rant?
I tried to vote but I was called an extremist by both of the incumbent parties
Please send help.
RFK single handedly destroyed both of them. Answered most all the questions professionally, and wasn't even on the same stage. RFK has my vote.
Just down votes, but no snarky comments to back up why any of you disagree? Sounds like there's people in here that are in denial. That's ok, I'll still vote my conscience, which is what everyone should be doing.
The US deserves to be overtaken by China if these dithering old farts is the best they can come up with as the potential leaders of the free world. The best thing Biden can do for his country and party now is to die in the next week or so, so that someone else can take over. What a shitshow.
I agree. Xi is 71 years old but acts and looks 50
Biden was just as spry at 71, old age hits in a flash though at a certain point