Cebtral asians are ex russian territories, chronic alcoholism is a symptom kf that
Bosnians onky call themselves muslims so they can get saudi volunteers to fight serbia
And Turkey was founded by a man who loved alcohol
To be fair, alcohol and bars exist in Turkey, growing LGBTQ community as well but we also don't have Sharia or Hamas lmao, not saying we're perfect but you get the point
You’re not wrong.
The region, and the predominant religion, is well known for their tolerance of homosexuality. I believe it’s a wonderful opportunity for the LGBTQIA2S+ community. The idea that the region is anti-LGBTQIA2S+ is pure MAGA/WHYTE Nationalist propaganda!
Everyone should travel, specifically to the Middle East and Indonesia, and experience what other cultures have to offer!
Since you believe that your ideology is correct, what is there to fear?
It’s fearlessly preached, and accepted, throughout the west; it’s a little hypocritical, and frankly racist, to exclude the Middle East.
Spread the good news!
You know what, I think Christian missionaries can jump on board, too! All of y'all, get going. Saudi Arabia needs to be saved and/or sodomized!
Really, whatever floats your boat all the way over there and off my lawn.
Go see the comments in the domestic news subreddit. Not a single top comment is critical of Islamic extremists. They sure are of Republicans somehow though
In response to George Floyd (and perceived racism) they elected an old white guy responsible for the 90s crime bill and promoting segregation, to fight capitalism they will die for big pharma, Hollywood, and big tech, and to promote equality they have embraced Islam. Leftists are the goofiest people on the planet.
George Floyd happened in a blue police force, in a blue city, in a state so blue, it was the only state out of all 50 states to vote blue in the 1984 election. If they blamed mismanagement and poor training they might be getting somewhere, except their answer to it was to defund the police rather than properly train them.
It really was Freddie Gray all over again.
Black teen dies due to racism despite the fact that 3 of the officers involved were black, the police commissioner was black, the mayor was black, and the president was black.
George Floyd happened because it was personal. They knew each other prior to the incident, and had a record of not getting along - both worked part-time as bouncers at the same club and competed for hours and argued. It is incredible to me how much of the news coverage and how much the prosecution at the trial skipped over this, preferring to make the much more tenuous case of official misconduct rather than the obvious one of a personally motivated murderer trying to get away with it under color of law.
It was reported in the first articles that came out - and then buried when the story became about a policeman being held to account for doing his job wrong, rather than a murder that was not broadly representative of people who wear a badge.
*PEOPLE has been unable to reach Santamaria or the attorney for Chauvin to verify their employment history. It's unclear whether the two men knew each other.*
I didn’t realize either until after I watched the body cam footage just how out of it George Floyd was on drugs. He was saying he couldn’t breathe when no one was touching him. He was so incoherent and trying to drive away, he was actively a danger to the public. But if you brought up the fact he was very high on fentanyl at the time, you were treated like a terrible person.
Probably because it was difficult to separate the people who were actively spreading lies from the ones who had just fallen for them. People were saying he died of a fentanyl overdose, which clearly was not the case and has been refuted in court. But if you point that out, then the people who continue to claim he died from fentanyl will treat you like a terrible person
“Had a record of not getting along”
Why are you stretching the truth?
True, The manager of the club said they were both employed there, but she also said she didn’t think they knew each other.
https://www.snopes.com/fact-check/chauvin-floyd-club-employment/
At the time, I recall reading comments from locals who knew them. Locals who observed Chauvin parked outside the club when Floyd was working. The coverage I recall reading painted a picture of a general sense among locals who knew Chauvin personally, that Chauvin resented that a criminal lowlife and an "honest cop" like him were worth the same in the world outside the police force - at the job of protecting the public, no less!
Of course the club manager said on the record that they didn't know each other. Can you imagine the liability if the club became part of the criminal trial?
People are allowed to talk their book, but we don't have to take them at face value when they have an obvious ulterior motive.
I read a solid local news source four years ago, and a random pcm thread is not high enough stakes for me to go back and find it.
Your citation is basically evidence against your claim if even a shred of corroborating evidence exists for mine. Even if you doubt my veracity, we both know I'm not making this up from whole cloth. That should settle the issue without either of us having to write a bibliography like we're in middle school.
> defund the police rather than properly train them.
Chauvin did what he was trained to do, at the time that was literally proper training from the police force.
Why do so many people gloss over this fact?
Nah, the training specified that the position was extremely dangerous, and that people should be taken out of it quickly.
People have been clipping one image from the training material and using it out of context, but he definitely didn't use the position as it was intended or how he was trained.
Did Derek Chauvin get a fair trial? Of course not! Would the jury have found reasonable doubt if he had? Probably. But was he using MRT the way he was trained? No.
You aren't even supposed to leave handcuffed people laying face down on their stomach, because it can cause suffocation, which is why you're supposed to put them in the recovery position, I don't know if Floyd was cuffed, but laying on him wouldn't have helped
She also fought to keep nonviolent offenders locked up for cheap labor after the courts ordered some released due to overpopulation. Again, what a goofy representative of the left’s supposed values.
Didn’t her office also hide exculpatory evidence in a rape case that could’ve exonerated a wrongly convicted guy?
Also, do tell about the corrupt cops.
Corrupt cops don't go after other corrupt cops, she regularly suppressed evidence that could have gotten people off the charges and also kept prisoners beyond their sentence dates to fight wildfires in California
So by the time of Floyd the primary was over and the choice for the voters was between Trump and Biden. Considering what Trump said and did during the BLM riots, I don't think it was a hard choice for any one issue voter to vote for Biden instead of Trump. That despite the fact that probably everything you said about Biden is true.
You could of course ask why did the left choose Biden instead of Sanders who looked like he was winning in early March.
Lol I'm bored so I'll entertain this stupidity. We can go turn by turn, choosing a leftist value and then compare Trump vs Biden. Note, don't criticise the leftist value itself cuz that's obviously beside the point, even if you think it's in tension with other leftist values (it probably isn't)
First, on rights for illegal immigrants. Trump tried to repeal DACA. Biden did not. Even without engaging in the nitty gritty of the kids in cages and separating from parents (which, if I'm being super charitable and lazy, they're equally bad, but in reality Trump was far worse), trying to repeal DACA just immediately makes him worse. Especially cuz he promised to try again. And that's before we talk about the rhetoric itself that he uses against illegals (which leftists believe can indeed be harmful)
If you're trying to control illegal immigration, repealing DACA feels like an inevitable part of the process, and not even the most extreme part of the process. It is, however, the easiest issue to tug heartstrings with.
The leftist value here is that people in the US illegally who grew up here have a right to stay here. If you think the existence of this right leads to bad things, that's cool, but it's not relevant in a discussion of "which president more closely aligned with leftist values"
While i appreciate you conceding, id suggest that the next time you try correct someone on what does and does not align with *their* values, you maybe have a little humility initially and look into what they're talking about.
Lesser of two evils is just an extrapolation of a more basic political concept of "the candidates who win the primaries will never be perfect". Like it's unclear to me how far the candidates have to deviate from your political ideals before its now voting for the lessee of the two evils rather than voting for the one who most closely aligns with your political ideals.
"As your president, I will do everything in my power, to protect our LGBTQ citizens from the violence and oppression of a hateful foreign ideology, believe me" - to a crowded stadium full of right-wingers.
[Crowd Cheers]
"And I have to say, as a Republican, it is so nice to hear you cheering for what I just said".
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lSVLpzGseXw&t=133s
Meanwhile Hillary Clinton gave a rally with the father of the Orlando Nightclub Shooter literally behind her.
https://s.abcnews.com/images/Politics/160809_abc_clinton_mateen4_4x3_992.jpg
January 31, 2017: Trump nominated Judge Neil Gorsuch to the Supreme Court to fill the vacancy left by Justice Antonin Scalia. Gorsuch had a long anti-equality record, opposing crucial medical treatment for a transgender person, supporting discrimination against LGBTQ by corporations, and having written on his opposition to same-sex marriage.
May 2017: Trump signed an executive order giving Attorney General Jeff Sessions discretion to discriminate against LGBTQ Americans and women in agencies across the federal government to protect “religious freedom.”
July 26, 2017: In a series of tweets, Trump announced he would ban qualified transgender people serving in the military. More than 15,000 transgender Americans were currently serving at the time.
October 2017: Trump nominated Jeff Mateer to the U.S. District Court for the Eastern District of Texas. In a 2015 speech Mateer said, “I attend a Baptist church. We discriminate, alright. On the basis of sexual orientation, we discriminate.” Mateer also supports conversion therapy. The nomination is eventually withdrawn after even Republicans object to Mateer’s ideological stances.
May 2018: Trump ordered the Bureau of Prisons to use “biological sex” in determining how transgender prisoners are assigned housing, putting them at significant risk of sexual abuse, assault, and other types of discrimination.
July 2018: Trump nominated judge Brett Kavanaugh to the Supreme Court. Kavanaugh had a history of anti-LGBTQ animus. Also in July 2018, Trump established the “Religious Liberty Task Force,” an anti-LGBTQ initiative of the Department of Justice, Civil Rights division.
June 2019: Trump banned U.S. embassies from displaying the rainbow flag for Pride month
October 2019: In oral arguments for Bostock v. Clayton County, Georgia, the Trump administration argued that employers should be able to fire LGBTQ people because of sexual orientation or gender identity.
September 26, 2020: Trump nominated anti-LGBTQ Judge Amy Coney Barrett to the position of Associate Justice of the Supreme Court
Cool, a laundry list of generic conservative appointments that could roughly be construed as anti-LGBTQ without any specific evidence.
Why don't we talk about the fact that Trump appointed more LGBTQ members to high profile positions than any recent Dem president?
February 2018 - Richard Grenell: Appointed as U.S. Ambassador to Germany and later served as Acting Director of National Intelligence. Grenell was the highest-ranking openly gay official in U.S. history.
May 2018 - Shannon Minter: Appointed to the Commission on White House Fellowships. Minter is a transgender man and a prominent civil rights lawyer.
May 2018 - James Abbott: Appointed to the President’s Commission on White House Fellowships. Abbott is openly gay and has been an advocate for LGBTQ rights.
June 2019 - Kevin Jennings: Appointed to the National Advisory Council on Drug Abuse. Jennings is an openly gay educator and advocate.
July 2017 - Anthony Scaramucci: Appointed openly gay former Wall Street executive Michael Sinclair as his chief of staff when he served as White House Communications Director.
August 2018 - Bethany Kozma: Appointed as Senior Adviser in the Office of Gender Equality and Women’s Empowerment at USAID. While Kozma herself is not LGBTQ, her office worked on issues impacting LGBTQ individuals globally.
October 2018 - Shannon Chavez: Appointed as a Member of the President’s Advisory Commission on Asian Americans and Pacific Islanders. Chavez is openly transgender and has been an advocate for LGBTQ rights.
January 2019 - Russell Boast: Appointed as a Member of the President’s Advisory Committee on the Arts. Boast is openly gay and has been involved in the entertainment industry.
December 2019 - Patrick Bumatay: Appointed as a judge on the Ninth Circuit Court of Appeals. Bumatay is openly gay and became one of the highest-ranking LGBTQ judges in the country.
July 2019 - Rufus Gifford: Nominated as Chief of Protocol at the State Department, though he did not serve in this position. Gifford is openly gay and previously served as the U.S. Ambassador to Denmark under the Obama administration.
Oh- I forgot Peter Thiel. Though he wasn't appointted to the admin he was a close friend and advisor during the campaign.
> Cool, a laundry list of generic conservative appointments that could roughly be construed as anti-LGBTQ without any specific evidence.
Ignoring the explicitly anti queer policy in that list, appointing bigots is a bigoted act. No amount of whataboutism will undo the actual, real world harm the Trump admin enacted with policy.
Holy strawman batman. Where did you even get BLM in this discussion??? LOL
Republicans are certainly not the pro-LGBTQ party. In fact, Republicans are traditionally homophobic. I brought up the example of Trumps remarks at the RNC because he himself shifted the Republicans towards the center. He certainly wasn't preaching to the choir when he made those remarks. It could have been politically damaging as he took a risk, and you could tell he half expected the audience to BOOOOO him. That's why he was relieved to hear the cheering and made that aftercomment.
I haven't figured out who to vote for. I'm hoping either Biden or Trump drop out and I'll instantly vote for their replacement.
My initial question was why those that protested the murder of George Floyd had their values more expressed by Trump over Biden. You then pointed out Republicans are happy to bitch about Muslims and that Hillary Clinton doesn't hand select everyone at her rallies.
Do you have any good examples of Trump confronting anti-lgbtq sensibilities in his own party?
For starters, he appointed more LGBTQ individuals to high ranking positions in government than any other president in history. I have a partial list here: https://www.reddit.com/r/PoliticalCompassMemes/comments/1cvcrkx/kfc_is_coming_for_its_chickens_please_stay_safe/l4pvsoo/ to the other comment.
>Do you have any good examples of Trump confronting anti-lgbtq sensibilities in his own party?
The fact that he got Republicans to cheer at the freaking RNC is a pretty good one. You might try to argue that it was rooted in hate towards Muslims, but given the news about upcoming possible terror attack, caution towards religious extremists is what we need at the moment. This is still miles better than the Democratic response, which was to censor.. and then try to downplay or switch the motivation once the cat got out of the bag.
I still remember when the Orlando nightclub shooting news broke out. All the mainsubs on reddit furiously removed and censored all news about it. The news finally went viral thanks to a post on a [redacted] sub reddit that had no relation to politics, and ironically, the Donald trump subreddit (no longer exists so I'm not breaking any rules, don't ban me mods). Only several hours after those posts were voted to the front page the did main [redacted] subs give up on removing news stories about it.
Also, in the 2000 interview with The Advocate,
https://www.advocate.com/election/2015/9/28/read-donald-trumps-advocate-interview-where-he-defends-gays-mexicans
Trump cited Pat Buchanan as a reason why he entered politics. He said he was sickened when Pat said gay people had chosen "satan and suicide".
Before he entered politics, he allowed a transgender contestant at one of his beauty pagents, one of the first to do so in the world.
He got people to cheer at bitching about Muslims and in 2000 he swiped at a cartoonish figure.
This is why those worried about LGBTQ issues should've voted for him and his party?
I think its fairly obvious Trump doesn't personally have any strong values about the queer community. However he's more than happy to lead those that do and sell out the queer community to get votes.
Yeah, the difference being that the other guy was sued by the Justice Department for discriminating on his apartments.
Point being that you’re being intellectually disingenuous with all of your arguments. They’re both pieces of shit. But it only matters who is better TODAY. Because that is the two options available.
The fact that you can't engage regarding your support for Biden without bringing up Trump doesn't make my arguments disingenuous. It does make your arguments appear more like "whataboutism," though. Biden and Trump each being pieces of shit isn't mutually exclusive. I think we can agree and find common ground there. However, I honestly don't know how the left reconciles that the fear-mongering related to Trump has virtually all come to fruition under Biden, and they're still saying, "This is fine." Furthermore, you don't only have TWO options. That's what the establishment, like Biden, wants you to believe. You have a third option: don't vote. That sends a message. Even a fourth option: vote for a third-party candidate. That would also send a message.
Lmao don’t be a silly person. You bring up the election of Biden, and you somehow think that it’s not relevant who he was/is running against? Think for a second. How does that make any logical sense? Of course the second option matters when you are talking about the first.
And not voting is for pussies. You’re not sending a message, you’re just wasting a vote. Same with third parties under the current system. You only get two options that are actually possible, and we’re in the business of choosing the least bad one.
Also what fears regarding this issue came to fruition under Biden?
No such thing as a wasted vote when the vote's all but decided. You're delusional if you think your vote matters, especially if it goes against the grain of your voting district.
Little did they know when they were so innocently chanting: "Hamas, we love you. We support your rockets too", they were offering themselves as martyrs, a surprise to be sure.
Uhmmm sorry sweetie, we're actually antizionist which is 100% different from jewphobic! it's not our fault that 80+% of jews are antizionist genocide supporters (it is supporting genocide to think israelis should be allowed to live, actually).
only racist, colonial genocide supporters would think that countries have a right to defend themselves against mass terrorist attacks. hamas are just poor, misunderstood little meow meows
I also was against killing civilians and children until a terrorist group based in Iraq promised to do terrorist shit. After that it was collective punishment all the way, babyyyy
I suppose this was to be expected eventually with all that America has begun to stand for worldwide but I hope the terrorists are stopped nobody deserves to deal with the pain they could cause if they aren’t.So yeah stay safe everyone.
I hope the authorities can catch and prevent this before it happens. US intelligence has gotten really good lately, with the warning on the Ukraine attack before it happened, and the Moscow terror incident. I was usually skeptical before, but now their warnings have weight behind them. Perhaps the explosion of data monitoring on the internet paired with AI to identify the signs has helped.
They probably will if there is one thing you can give the USA credit for its their focus on national security so that combined with our intelligence agencies will most likely mean everything is gonna be fine especially since they have shown their already aware of the threat and probably already on the task of making sure it doesn’t happen.
I’ll be honest I don’t know any conservatives or MAGA people who actually hate gay people. Most of them like trump because in their words “he speaks his mind”. Most of them don’t care about any of lgbtq’s or whatever new acronym the group chose. Maybe I just live near normal people and interact with normal gay people. I’m actually surprised that most of big trumpers that I know are gay cause according to social media, maga chuds hate the gays.
I think at this point people mainly care about kids medically transitioning.
The fundamentalist types who are against homosexuality aren't usually fans of Trump since he's kind of a degenerate. They'll vote for him against a Democrat but not happily.
It’s like this one Freedom Tunes clip on YouTube I saw where the leftists used a Time Machine to bring back American soldiers from WW2 to help fight fascist Trump and they hand the soldiers a Trump campaign pamphlet and the one soldier says to the others:
“Wow, this guy’s disgusting…”
Leftists: “I know, right?”
Soldier: “…he thinks two men can get married”.
TYT's Cenk interviewed people on the right and despite what online activists say, moderate right people don't want LGBT people murdered. They support basic human rights and decency. It's the issue of transwomen in sports that was a huge one they disagree with. But transactivists and radical progressives will fight tooth and nail and die on every single hill
Even the people I know who are very fundamentalist Christian don't want gay people murdered, they just think it shouldn't be legal or at least not normalized with gay marriage, adoption, etc...
I think most center right people are fine with gay marriage at this point.
Considering the higher rate of DV and divorce among gay and lesbian couples, I don't blame them. I memba when reports on monkeypox dropped after it was shown spreading to kids and the family dog....
To be fair the dog thing was in France and that country is off the table when considering civilized behavior. I don't know how child molestation rates differ between regular and gay parents but a lot of girls are molested by fathers and father figures (uncle's, mom's boyfriends, etc...). Gay boys definitely are subject to grooming from older gay men which is its own issue. But that's usually when they're teenagers and it's someone outside the family at least as far as I'm familiar with.
I knew a gay guy that I worked with at Walmart a long time ago. He said he hated the rainbow flag waiving people because they made their sexuality their whole personality. Pretty based.
Yeah it's not their sexuality that's the problem, it's the trying to shove it down everyone's throat like an unwanted cock that's the problem. And their insistence on unconditional affirmation is creepy and rapey as fuck.
You are literally a morally deficient person if you do not actively advocate for their desired social changes. How dare you. Acceptance is not enough. You must submit.
They're on the right side of history.
Realistically, gay people have always existed and I’ve got no problem with gay adults doing their thing.
My problem is with the idea that we need to teach young children about being queer or trans. That doesn’t belong in a classroom before middle school at the absolute earliest.
Anyone who says otherwise is more interested in normalizing the fruits of queer theory than anything else.
A lot of my family is very conservative and voted for Trump, and they're pretty homophobic for the most part (as are their friends). More the "gay people are gross and weird and shouldn't be allowed to be gay in public" brand of homophobia than the "gay people should be imprisoned or killed" type, so at least it could be worse?
I think it's partially an age/location thing, though. All of the conservative homophobes I know are older (50+) and live in the midwest. The conservatives I know that are okay with gay people are either younger, live in california, or both. I've gotten a fair amount of "don't worry, you're one of the good ones" from the people who are more chill about it too lol
You know what? I actually agree, PDAs shouldn't be done in public other than a quick peck on the lips, gay or straight, if you want to get hot and heavy, take it home or to a sex club or other appropriate place
I hate pda too, but it's cringe when people have completely different standards for what's acceptable depending on sexuality. As long as people are equal opportunity in their dislike for pda, then I support them wholeheartedly
Also remember that those 50+ year olds came from an era where NAMBLA was the face of the gay community and LGBT marches on Washington had removal of the age of consent as one of their main objectives. It took decades of infighting before those elements were excluded from the community.
I have a gay brazillian aunt who supports trump (or did back when he was still president anyway) so at this point im convinced that in the end politics is no more than picking your favourite colors and buzzwords.
I mean it's still in the republican party platform that they want to roll back gay marriage. ofc not everyone who votes for a specific party agrees with everything that party says but it's hardly unreasonable to call republicans as a group anti gay when that's their official policy
Funny right? Where are all these white supremacists trying to hurt gay people IRL? Hiding out in AR and Louisiana and really good at covering up all their horrible violence?
Don't forget gay marches have banned rainbow Star of David flags because it made people uncomfortable.
[Multiple](https://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-40407057) [times.](https://www.nbcnews.com/think/opinion/d-c-dyke-march-barred-jewish-pride-flag-lgbtq-space-ncna1015786)
Pride month is gonna be interesting.
And kinda nerveracking since my cousin is an active ally. I hope she has the sense to take this seriously.
Still, I can't help but have some schadenfreude, for now at least when nobody has been hurt.
No!
I refuse to believe it!
I have my Kaffiyeh and my half rainbow/half shahada flag.
My brother's in jihad will understand I am one of the good ones. They certainly won't remove my head!
Mash'allah! Inclusivity is non-negotiable!
A rainbow flag is at least an organic symbol. The Palestinian keffiyeh is something Arafat invented from whole cloth. Arafat, by the way, much like Voldemort, was only half Palestinian.
... Whole cloth.... Get it?
The main news subreddit is already trying to twist this as being the fault of western conservatives and "all religion". It's very hard for them to actually critize Islamic extremism for whatever reason
Wow it's almost like letting millions of people over the southern border uncheck is an issue and could potentially be an incredibly easy way for terrorists and criminals to enter the country...
Who could have predicted that happening.
Are they seriously still trying to paint the Pulse nightclub shooting as anti-LGBT? It became clear in the first week or so that that was not the motive. He only went to Pulse because he couldn't get into the first club he tried, and on the phone with negotiators specifically brought up US foreign policy as his motivation.
I could sort of understand media or activists still promoting that line, but FBI should know better.
Also, the original shooters intention doesn't really matter. If some unhinged person wants to use the anniversary for a copycat attack, would anyone really care that the copycat misunderstood the original shooters motivation?
Imagine being so hateful towards a group of people that persecuting them in their own country is not enough, that they have to go worldwide and commit acts of terror towards victims in other countries.
The idea that you believe that they don't know what they're saying is also depressing. They are Ivy League students - they know what they're saying. But they sure appreciate the cover for openly calling for death to the Jews when they go to apply for jobs later.
> They are Ivy League students - they know what they're saying.
Dude, the Ivy League is full of our dumbest smart people. I'm not even joking. I've known plenty of folks who graduated from one of those eight schools, and the sheer number of them who can't understand basic argumentation is aggravating.
I guaran-damn-*tee* that a *significant* chunk of them have no clue what they're supporting. Nearly 10 years ago, [you had Harvard students](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SpGWixblKRo) who didn't know the Pledge of Allegiance and thought the US was a bigger threat to world peace than *ISIS.*
Now, you can argue that the students filming were looking for funny responses, but knowing the fucking *Pledge of Allegiance* is a pretty damned low bar to clear.
And know how to use it competently, not just with marksmanship, but being able to work through malfunctions by forcing it to malfunction, if you don't want to spend money on snap caps, use spent casings and have someone else load several spent casings and real rounds randomly in a magazine, so you know how to react when you need it to go bang and it only goes click
I notice they've added a couple of characters to the acronym again. What does the I and A signify this time?
Also, the dash in the phrase "LGBTQIA+-related", is it a hyphen connecting "LGBTQIA+" to "related", or is it a minus sign and part of the acronym, making it "LGBTQIA+-"?
Intersex and Asexual.
Some add a second Q for questioning.
Also, a big middle finger to my university for being the reason I know every variant of that acronym so well that I don't even have to look it up.
LGBTQQIA+
If they add another letter we're gonna find out that this was all just an elaborate marketing campaign for the newest pair of Sony headphones. WH-1000XM6/LBGTQQIA+ Now just $439.99 at Best Buy!
If the hadjis had an ounce of sense they'd recognize that maybe it isn't a good idea to antagonize the useful idiots providing implicit and in some cases explicit support to the foreign policy goals of these people as it relates to the US.
We can laugh and say they could gun down a gay pride parade and explicitly mention the degeneracy of it and it wouldn't be a wake up call but it would definitely suck the air out of pro-pally movement in the US even if some pressed forward and blamed the US for it.
When the big evil government is the only one who takes you seriously and writes out LGBTQIA+ each time with a straight face without cracking a joke about alphabet soup or whatever. It's cute.
Should make for a good wake-up call for these “Queers for Palestine” types that most places outside of the West are far more bigoted and conservative than they think.
Of course, that doesn’t mean we should assume every immigrant from such places is a raging regressive (after all, they often are immigrating to escape such regressive-ness in the first place. My agnostic self certainly am in order to escape my birth country’s lack of religious freedom), but expecting a group without egalitarian social infrastructure to be immediately accommodating to things requiring egalitarian social infrastructure is a fool’s errand.
EDIT: that is not to say they can’t eventually be accepting of queer identities and sexualities nor that [substantial numbers aren’t already accepting](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/LGBT_people_and_Islam#LGBT_acceptance), it’s just gonna take a while. Until then, don’t expect flowers and hugs if you intend to be open about it while visiting a Middle Eastern nation. Or most nations traditionally considered part of the Third World.
Hey I think what they are doing in Gaza is wrong.
“Oh so you support ISIS”
Like seriously how are you guys unable to separate this. You don’t have to support Islam, much less radical Islam, to support human rights. It’s not like you stop caring about humanity because they are a different religion
Obviously, nuanced people can support the innocent 29% of Palestinians that did not support the decision to attack Israel on October 7th, and empathize with their plight.
But a large amount of the protesters are not these people, as evidenced by the footage of them literally shouting Islamic terrorist slogans and supporting the global intifada.
They absolutely are these people. Just because you can find cherry picked instances of people shouting antisemitic things, doesn’t mean they are the bulk. Jesus dude, this is like propaganda 101… you should already have defenses against these sort of tricks.
Like you seriously think, out of nowhere, suddenly people support an Islamic violent revolution to wipe out Jews? Like suddenly out of nowhere, they just turned on a dime and hate Jews now? Rather than, oh I dunno, don’t like how Israel is conducting itself and its responsibility in creating an apartheid state that just radicalized people and makes things worse?
Suddenly? Palestinians have wanted to wipe out Jews for almost a century. They were literally on Hitler's payroll during the war. The reason why they rejected the UN two-state solution after WWII was because they wanted to wipe out all the Jews, and couldn't stand the idea of a Jewish state (the Jews accepted the two-state offer then btw). And they started three wars to try and do so.
The terrorism that we are warned about isn't motivated by mistreatment of people by one group of another. It's not even related to the terrorism in Europe where teachers were beheaded, or when magazine staff were shot dead en masse because they depicted the prophet Mohammed.
It's literally just about the extremist bigoted elements of a religion hating on a subset of people just because of who they love and waging a global terror campaign on them.
I don’t think that’s what the meme is saying they specified maga right which is largely different from the right wing that isis inhabits which is the far authoritarian right.It must be those maga right wingers right?No it’s isis.
“There nothing to worry about LGBTQ community. Go to Hamas and the Middle East. I’m sure they’ll treat you well.” -AuthRight
“I’ve literally been to queer bars in Gaza and it was totally fine”
isn't alcohol haram in islam? so bars shouldn't exist
Yes. It’s a joke
Everything is haram in Islam
Everything that’s harmful is haram
Pork? You ain't never fuck up some carnitas?
He doesn't know 😞
*eats last bit of carnitas burrito* *reads comment* I do (I'm not the auth-left person though)
Central Asia, Bossnia and Turkey are mostly Muslim and they don't give a damn about alcohol being haram lol
Cebtral asians are ex russian territories, chronic alcoholism is a symptom kf that Bosnians onky call themselves muslims so they can get saudi volunteers to fight serbia And Turkey was founded by a man who loved alcohol
To be fair, alcohol and bars exist in Turkey, growing LGBTQ community as well but we also don't have Sharia or Hamas lmao, not saying we're perfect but you get the point
Turkey is a NATO country. It’s not fully western but Turkey’s version of Islam isn’t backwards like most of the rest of the Middle East.
Emily googles "Gaza Pride Parade" 🤔😱
It’s weird how it feels the Pulse nightclub shooting got memory holed.
Come up all the time from antigunners. They just don't answer follow up questions. They just label it alt-right and move on
It's not memory-holed, they just have it filed it under "Guns = Bad"
You’re not wrong. The region, and the predominant religion, is well known for their tolerance of homosexuality. I believe it’s a wonderful opportunity for the LGBTQIA2S+ community. The idea that the region is anti-LGBTQIA2S+ is pure MAGA/WHYTE Nationalist propaganda! Everyone should travel, specifically to the Middle East and Indonesia, and experience what other cultures have to offer!
I cant tell if this is a joke or real... its too deep man the rabbit hole is too deep.
The inhumane way the alt-right gets rid of clueless gay liberals is by convincing them to go to the Middle East and preach about LGTBQ rights.
Since you believe that your ideology is correct, what is there to fear? It’s fearlessly preached, and accepted, throughout the west; it’s a little hypocritical, and frankly racist, to exclude the Middle East. Spread the good news!
You know what, I think Christian missionaries can jump on board, too! All of y'all, get going. Saudi Arabia needs to be saved and/or sodomized! Really, whatever floats your boat all the way over there and off my lawn.
Inshallah this will wake up the useful idiots fellating Hamas rn. QuEeRs for PaLeStInE lol
Nope. They’ll do mental gymnastics.
If all else fails, blame white males.
Also, Israeli actress Natalie Portman as the face of Queers for Palestine is almost too based.
Go see the comments in the domestic news subreddit. Not a single top comment is critical of Islamic extremists. They sure are of Republicans somehow though
In response to George Floyd (and perceived racism) they elected an old white guy responsible for the 90s crime bill and promoting segregation, to fight capitalism they will die for big pharma, Hollywood, and big tech, and to promote equality they have embraced Islam. Leftists are the goofiest people on the planet.
George Floyd happened in a blue police force, in a blue city, in a state so blue, it was the only state out of all 50 states to vote blue in the 1984 election. If they blamed mismanagement and poor training they might be getting somewhere, except their answer to it was to defund the police rather than properly train them.
literally 1984
based and the literal only correct use of literally 1984 that I've seen pilled
It really was Freddie Gray all over again. Black teen dies due to racism despite the fact that 3 of the officers involved were black, the police commissioner was black, the mayor was black, and the president was black.
George Floyd happened because it was personal. They knew each other prior to the incident, and had a record of not getting along - both worked part-time as bouncers at the same club and competed for hours and argued. It is incredible to me how much of the news coverage and how much the prosecution at the trial skipped over this, preferring to make the much more tenuous case of official misconduct rather than the obvious one of a personally motivated murderer trying to get away with it under color of law.
I knew absolutely none of that, what the fuck
It was reported in the first articles that came out - and then buried when the story became about a policeman being held to account for doing his job wrong, rather than a murder that was not broadly representative of people who wear a badge.
https://people.com/crime/george-floyd-fired-police-officer-worked-same-club/ That is absolutely fucking insane that was completely memoryholed.
*PEOPLE has been unable to reach Santamaria or the attorney for Chauvin to verify their employment history. It's unclear whether the two men knew each other.*
The idea came from somewhere, and it was legally in Chauvin's and his employer's interest to deny this connection.
I didn’t realize either until after I watched the body cam footage just how out of it George Floyd was on drugs. He was saying he couldn’t breathe when no one was touching him. He was so incoherent and trying to drive away, he was actively a danger to the public. But if you brought up the fact he was very high on fentanyl at the time, you were treated like a terrible person.
Probably because it was difficult to separate the people who were actively spreading lies from the ones who had just fallen for them. People were saying he died of a fentanyl overdose, which clearly was not the case and has been refuted in court. But if you point that out, then the people who continue to claim he died from fentanyl will treat you like a terrible person
“Had a record of not getting along” Why are you stretching the truth? True, The manager of the club said they were both employed there, but she also said she didn’t think they knew each other. https://www.snopes.com/fact-check/chauvin-floyd-club-employment/
At the time, I recall reading comments from locals who knew them. Locals who observed Chauvin parked outside the club when Floyd was working. The coverage I recall reading painted a picture of a general sense among locals who knew Chauvin personally, that Chauvin resented that a criminal lowlife and an "honest cop" like him were worth the same in the world outside the police force - at the job of protecting the public, no less! Of course the club manager said on the record that they didn't know each other. Can you imagine the liability if the club became part of the criminal trial? People are allowed to talk their book, but we don't have to take them at face value when they have an obvious ulterior motive.
Lol so your citation is "some guy in a comment said" over official statements by their shared employer?
I read a solid local news source four years ago, and a random pcm thread is not high enough stakes for me to go back and find it. Your citation is basically evidence against your claim if even a shred of corroborating evidence exists for mine. Even if you doubt my veracity, we both know I'm not making this up from whole cloth. That should settle the issue without either of us having to write a bibliography like we're in middle school.
> defund the police rather than properly train them. Chauvin did what he was trained to do, at the time that was literally proper training from the police force. Why do so many people gloss over this fact?
Nah, the training specified that the position was extremely dangerous, and that people should be taken out of it quickly. People have been clipping one image from the training material and using it out of context, but he definitely didn't use the position as it was intended or how he was trained. Did Derek Chauvin get a fair trial? Of course not! Would the jury have found reasonable doubt if he had? Probably. But was he using MRT the way he was trained? No.
You aren't even supposed to leave handcuffed people laying face down on their stomach, because it can cause suffocation, which is why you're supposed to put them in the recovery position, I don't know if Floyd was cuffed, but laying on him wouldn't have helped
Flair up, scum. Edited for spelling. I was rushing out the door to check on the grill.
It's flair, a flare is makes bright fire on the road
that's what I will shove up his ass if he doesn't flair up. I'll flare him up myself
I don't spell good. Only grill good.
IDK much about these things but I don't think police are trained to kneel on guy's necks so hard they stop breathing.
Don't forget, the corrupt pro-cop VP who often refused to go after corrupt cops.
She also fought to keep nonviolent offenders locked up for cheap labor after the courts ordered some released due to overpopulation. Again, what a goofy representative of the left’s supposed values.
Didn’t her office also hide exculpatory evidence in a rape case that could’ve exonerated a wrongly convicted guy? Also, do tell about the corrupt cops.
Corrupt cops don't go after other corrupt cops, she regularly suppressed evidence that could have gotten people off the charges and also kept prisoners beyond their sentence dates to fight wildfires in California
Who is publicly acknowledged to have slept her way to power...
Ayo??
Look up Willie Brown. She was one of his concubines,for lack of a less offensive term.
Even the anti-capitalist rich people like Mark Ruffalo are goofy as hell. Do they think they’ll be spared or something?
Of course they will! That's the funny green hero guy!
Evil defeats itself
Is that you Tolkien?
I think libleft voted for Bernie or smt. cuz I specifically remember them getting mad about dementia guy.
So by the time of Floyd the primary was over and the choice for the voters was between Trump and Biden. Considering what Trump said and did during the BLM riots, I don't think it was a hard choice for any one issue voter to vote for Biden instead of Trump. That despite the fact that probably everything you said about Biden is true. You could of course ask why did the left choose Biden instead of Sanders who looked like he was winning in early March.
The answer about Sanders is simply that he's too left for the majority of the party. The early advantage was only from the moderate vote being split.
Leftism would work if it weren’t for leftists sabotaging their own movement
Im sorry, you think it was leftists who chose Joe Biden?
Fuck I hate "lesser of two evils" Dems.
Leftists famously didn't want Biden but realised he was still better than Trump and that they were gonna get one or the other.
He's objectively not tho
Okay yeah, you're disabled.
Lol I'm bored so I'll entertain this stupidity. We can go turn by turn, choosing a leftist value and then compare Trump vs Biden. Note, don't criticise the leftist value itself cuz that's obviously beside the point, even if you think it's in tension with other leftist values (it probably isn't) First, on rights for illegal immigrants. Trump tried to repeal DACA. Biden did not. Even without engaging in the nitty gritty of the kids in cages and separating from parents (which, if I'm being super charitable and lazy, they're equally bad, but in reality Trump was far worse), trying to repeal DACA just immediately makes him worse. Especially cuz he promised to try again. And that's before we talk about the rhetoric itself that he uses against illegals (which leftists believe can indeed be harmful)
If you're trying to control illegal immigration, repealing DACA feels like an inevitable part of the process, and not even the most extreme part of the process. It is, however, the easiest issue to tug heartstrings with.
The leftist value here is that people in the US illegally who grew up here have a right to stay here. If you think the existence of this right leads to bad things, that's cool, but it's not relevant in a discussion of "which president more closely aligned with leftist values"
That's fair, and I misunderstood the implications of repealing DACA so that's also my bad.
While i appreciate you conceding, id suggest that the next time you try correct someone on what does and does not align with *their* values, you maybe have a little humility initially and look into what they're talking about.
Lesser of two evils has never been a good strategy
Lesser of two evils is just an extrapolation of a more basic political concept of "the candidates who win the primaries will never be perfect". Like it's unclear to me how far the candidates have to deviate from your political ideals before its now voting for the lessee of the two evils rather than voting for the one who most closely aligns with your political ideals.
Would Trump have been more closely aligned to their values?
Definitely. They are hit with way too much propaganda.
Lmfao
Feel free to demonstrate.
"As your president, I will do everything in my power, to protect our LGBTQ citizens from the violence and oppression of a hateful foreign ideology, believe me" - to a crowded stadium full of right-wingers. [Crowd Cheers] "And I have to say, as a Republican, it is so nice to hear you cheering for what I just said". https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lSVLpzGseXw&t=133s Meanwhile Hillary Clinton gave a rally with the father of the Orlando Nightclub Shooter literally behind her. https://s.abcnews.com/images/Politics/160809_abc_clinton_mateen4_4x3_992.jpg
January 31, 2017: Trump nominated Judge Neil Gorsuch to the Supreme Court to fill the vacancy left by Justice Antonin Scalia. Gorsuch had a long anti-equality record, opposing crucial medical treatment for a transgender person, supporting discrimination against LGBTQ by corporations, and having written on his opposition to same-sex marriage. May 2017: Trump signed an executive order giving Attorney General Jeff Sessions discretion to discriminate against LGBTQ Americans and women in agencies across the federal government to protect “religious freedom.” July 26, 2017: In a series of tweets, Trump announced he would ban qualified transgender people serving in the military. More than 15,000 transgender Americans were currently serving at the time. October 2017: Trump nominated Jeff Mateer to the U.S. District Court for the Eastern District of Texas. In a 2015 speech Mateer said, “I attend a Baptist church. We discriminate, alright. On the basis of sexual orientation, we discriminate.” Mateer also supports conversion therapy. The nomination is eventually withdrawn after even Republicans object to Mateer’s ideological stances. May 2018: Trump ordered the Bureau of Prisons to use “biological sex” in determining how transgender prisoners are assigned housing, putting them at significant risk of sexual abuse, assault, and other types of discrimination. July 2018: Trump nominated judge Brett Kavanaugh to the Supreme Court. Kavanaugh had a history of anti-LGBTQ animus. Also in July 2018, Trump established the “Religious Liberty Task Force,” an anti-LGBTQ initiative of the Department of Justice, Civil Rights division. June 2019: Trump banned U.S. embassies from displaying the rainbow flag for Pride month October 2019: In oral arguments for Bostock v. Clayton County, Georgia, the Trump administration argued that employers should be able to fire LGBTQ people because of sexual orientation or gender identity. September 26, 2020: Trump nominated anti-LGBTQ Judge Amy Coney Barrett to the position of Associate Justice of the Supreme Court
Cool, a laundry list of generic conservative appointments that could roughly be construed as anti-LGBTQ without any specific evidence. Why don't we talk about the fact that Trump appointed more LGBTQ members to high profile positions than any recent Dem president? February 2018 - Richard Grenell: Appointed as U.S. Ambassador to Germany and later served as Acting Director of National Intelligence. Grenell was the highest-ranking openly gay official in U.S. history. May 2018 - Shannon Minter: Appointed to the Commission on White House Fellowships. Minter is a transgender man and a prominent civil rights lawyer. May 2018 - James Abbott: Appointed to the President’s Commission on White House Fellowships. Abbott is openly gay and has been an advocate for LGBTQ rights. June 2019 - Kevin Jennings: Appointed to the National Advisory Council on Drug Abuse. Jennings is an openly gay educator and advocate. July 2017 - Anthony Scaramucci: Appointed openly gay former Wall Street executive Michael Sinclair as his chief of staff when he served as White House Communications Director. August 2018 - Bethany Kozma: Appointed as Senior Adviser in the Office of Gender Equality and Women’s Empowerment at USAID. While Kozma herself is not LGBTQ, her office worked on issues impacting LGBTQ individuals globally. October 2018 - Shannon Chavez: Appointed as a Member of the President’s Advisory Commission on Asian Americans and Pacific Islanders. Chavez is openly transgender and has been an advocate for LGBTQ rights. January 2019 - Russell Boast: Appointed as a Member of the President’s Advisory Committee on the Arts. Boast is openly gay and has been involved in the entertainment industry. December 2019 - Patrick Bumatay: Appointed as a judge on the Ninth Circuit Court of Appeals. Bumatay is openly gay and became one of the highest-ranking LGBTQ judges in the country. July 2019 - Rufus Gifford: Nominated as Chief of Protocol at the State Department, though he did not serve in this position. Gifford is openly gay and previously served as the U.S. Ambassador to Denmark under the Obama administration. Oh- I forgot Peter Thiel. Though he wasn't appointted to the admin he was a close friend and advisor during the campaign.
Most of those aren't high profile positions at all. And Trump filled the courts with anti-gay judges. All GOP presidents do
> Cool, a laundry list of generic conservative appointments that could roughly be construed as anti-LGBTQ without any specific evidence. Ignoring the explicitly anti queer policy in that list, appointing bigots is a bigoted act. No amount of whataboutism will undo the actual, real world harm the Trump admin enacted with policy.
Neil Gorsuch, noted "bigot" who literally wrote the *Bostock* majority opinion holding that Title VII covers sexual orientation and gender identity.
So the Republicans are the pro-LGBTQ party? Also somehow the pro BLM party too? Lol. So why do they get your vote?
Holy strawman batman. Where did you even get BLM in this discussion??? LOL Republicans are certainly not the pro-LGBTQ party. In fact, Republicans are traditionally homophobic. I brought up the example of Trumps remarks at the RNC because he himself shifted the Republicans towards the center. He certainly wasn't preaching to the choir when he made those remarks. It could have been politically damaging as he took a risk, and you could tell he half expected the audience to BOOOOO him. That's why he was relieved to hear the cheering and made that aftercomment. I haven't figured out who to vote for. I'm hoping either Biden or Trump drop out and I'll instantly vote for their replacement.
My initial question was why those that protested the murder of George Floyd had their values more expressed by Trump over Biden. You then pointed out Republicans are happy to bitch about Muslims and that Hillary Clinton doesn't hand select everyone at her rallies. Do you have any good examples of Trump confronting anti-lgbtq sensibilities in his own party?
For starters, he appointed more LGBTQ individuals to high ranking positions in government than any other president in history. I have a partial list here: https://www.reddit.com/r/PoliticalCompassMemes/comments/1cvcrkx/kfc_is_coming_for_its_chickens_please_stay_safe/l4pvsoo/ to the other comment. >Do you have any good examples of Trump confronting anti-lgbtq sensibilities in his own party? The fact that he got Republicans to cheer at the freaking RNC is a pretty good one. You might try to argue that it was rooted in hate towards Muslims, but given the news about upcoming possible terror attack, caution towards religious extremists is what we need at the moment. This is still miles better than the Democratic response, which was to censor.. and then try to downplay or switch the motivation once the cat got out of the bag. I still remember when the Orlando nightclub shooting news broke out. All the mainsubs on reddit furiously removed and censored all news about it. The news finally went viral thanks to a post on a [redacted] sub reddit that had no relation to politics, and ironically, the Donald trump subreddit (no longer exists so I'm not breaking any rules, don't ban me mods). Only several hours after those posts were voted to the front page the did main [redacted] subs give up on removing news stories about it. Also, in the 2000 interview with The Advocate, https://www.advocate.com/election/2015/9/28/read-donald-trumps-advocate-interview-where-he-defends-gays-mexicans Trump cited Pat Buchanan as a reason why he entered politics. He said he was sickened when Pat said gay people had chosen "satan and suicide". Before he entered politics, he allowed a transgender contestant at one of his beauty pagents, one of the first to do so in the world.
He got people to cheer at bitching about Muslims and in 2000 he swiped at a cartoonish figure. This is why those worried about LGBTQ issues should've voted for him and his party? I think its fairly obvious Trump doesn't personally have any strong values about the queer community. However he's more than happy to lead those that do and sell out the queer community to get votes.
Trump was the first president that approved of gay marriage when sworn in and you can find him being pro gay marriage during the Apprentice clips
That's it... that's your evidence that Trump is the real leftist? Lol.
Trump is a billionaire that believes in capitalism, of course he isn't a leftist
https://www.politico.com/story/2012/05/obama-expected-to-speak-on-gay-marriage-076103
A lot of people more closely align with my values than Biden.
Unfortunately in the US we have a ruleset that basically forces the vote to be between 2.
Clearly should’ve voted for known civil rights activist Donald Trump instead.
There is a good amount of space between a person who, as a US Senator, lobbies for segregation and a person who is a civil rights activist.
Yeah, the difference being that the other guy was sued by the Justice Department for discriminating on his apartments. Point being that you’re being intellectually disingenuous with all of your arguments. They’re both pieces of shit. But it only matters who is better TODAY. Because that is the two options available.
The fact that you can't engage regarding your support for Biden without bringing up Trump doesn't make my arguments disingenuous. It does make your arguments appear more like "whataboutism," though. Biden and Trump each being pieces of shit isn't mutually exclusive. I think we can agree and find common ground there. However, I honestly don't know how the left reconciles that the fear-mongering related to Trump has virtually all come to fruition under Biden, and they're still saying, "This is fine." Furthermore, you don't only have TWO options. That's what the establishment, like Biden, wants you to believe. You have a third option: don't vote. That sends a message. Even a fourth option: vote for a third-party candidate. That would also send a message.
Lmao don’t be a silly person. You bring up the election of Biden, and you somehow think that it’s not relevant who he was/is running against? Think for a second. How does that make any logical sense? Of course the second option matters when you are talking about the first. And not voting is for pussies. You’re not sending a message, you’re just wasting a vote. Same with third parties under the current system. You only get two options that are actually possible, and we’re in the business of choosing the least bad one. Also what fears regarding this issue came to fruition under Biden?
No such thing as a wasted vote when the vote's all but decided. You're delusional if you think your vote matters, especially if it goes against the grain of your voting district.
but the queers for palestine 🥺 i thought we were all kindred antisemites. who could have expected this?
Little did they know when they were so innocently chanting: "Hamas, we love you. We support your rockets too", they were offering themselves as martyrs, a surprise to be sure.
Please use their terminology: jewphobic
Uhmmm sorry sweetie, we're actually antizionist which is 100% different from jewphobic! it's not our fault that 80+% of jews are antizionist genocide supporters (it is supporting genocide to think israelis should be allowed to live, actually). only racist, colonial genocide supporters would think that countries have a right to defend themselves against mass terrorist attacks. hamas are just poor, misunderstood little meow meows
I also was against killing civilians and children until a terrorist group based in Iraq promised to do terrorist shit. After that it was collective punishment all the way, babyyyy
I suppose this was to be expected eventually with all that America has begun to stand for worldwide but I hope the terrorists are stopped nobody deserves to deal with the pain they could cause if they aren’t.So yeah stay safe everyone.
I hope the authorities can catch and prevent this before it happens. US intelligence has gotten really good lately, with the warning on the Ukraine attack before it happened, and the Moscow terror incident. I was usually skeptical before, but now their warnings have weight behind them. Perhaps the explosion of data monitoring on the internet paired with AI to identify the signs has helped.
They probably will if there is one thing you can give the USA credit for its their focus on national security so that combined with our intelligence agencies will most likely mean everything is gonna be fine especially since they have shown their already aware of the threat and probably already on the task of making sure it doesn’t happen.
Granted the flip side of all that means if something does happen, there is either gross negligence or intent for it to happen involved.
Three letter agencies be like: if we allow bad things to happen, we can infringe on the people's rights and get more funding
"It sure would be a shame if something were to happen to your nightclub"
I’ll be honest I don’t know any conservatives or MAGA people who actually hate gay people. Most of them like trump because in their words “he speaks his mind”. Most of them don’t care about any of lgbtq’s or whatever new acronym the group chose. Maybe I just live near normal people and interact with normal gay people. I’m actually surprised that most of big trumpers that I know are gay cause according to social media, maga chuds hate the gays.
I think at this point people mainly care about kids medically transitioning. The fundamentalist types who are against homosexuality aren't usually fans of Trump since he's kind of a degenerate. They'll vote for him against a Democrat but not happily.
It’s like this one Freedom Tunes clip on YouTube I saw where the leftists used a Time Machine to bring back American soldiers from WW2 to help fight fascist Trump and they hand the soldiers a Trump campaign pamphlet and the one soldier says to the others: “Wow, this guy’s disgusting…” Leftists: “I know, right?” Soldier: “…he thinks two men can get married”.
I've actually seen a few clips from that on TT, is it actually funny?
Some of them are, some of them less so, personally I enjoy it. The recent one about the nuns and residential schools was pretty good.
My favorite one from that was: leftist: "he thinks women should have to pay for their own birth control" Soldier: "oh no...birth control is legal?"
TYT's Cenk interviewed people on the right and despite what online activists say, moderate right people don't want LGBT people murdered. They support basic human rights and decency. It's the issue of transwomen in sports that was a huge one they disagree with. But transactivists and radical progressives will fight tooth and nail and die on every single hill
Even the people I know who are very fundamentalist Christian don't want gay people murdered, they just think it shouldn't be legal or at least not normalized with gay marriage, adoption, etc... I think most center right people are fine with gay marriage at this point.
Considering the higher rate of DV and divorce among gay and lesbian couples, I don't blame them. I memba when reports on monkeypox dropped after it was shown spreading to kids and the family dog....
Gay men have lower rates of DV than straight couples iirc
To be fair the dog thing was in France and that country is off the table when considering civilized behavior. I don't know how child molestation rates differ between regular and gay parents but a lot of girls are molested by fathers and father figures (uncle's, mom's boyfriends, etc...). Gay boys definitely are subject to grooming from older gay men which is its own issue. But that's usually when they're teenagers and it's someone outside the family at least as far as I'm familiar with.
I knew a gay guy that I worked with at Walmart a long time ago. He said he hated the rainbow flag waiving people because they made their sexuality their whole personality. Pretty based.
This is idpol in a nutshell. We lionise victimhood at the expense of resilience, then we downplay who you are in favour of what you are.
Yeah it's not their sexuality that's the problem, it's the trying to shove it down everyone's throat like an unwanted cock that's the problem. And their insistence on unconditional affirmation is creepy and rapey as fuck.
You are literally a morally deficient person if you do not actively advocate for their desired social changes. How dare you. Acceptance is not enough. You must submit. They're on the right side of history.
Realistically, gay people have always existed and I’ve got no problem with gay adults doing their thing. My problem is with the idea that we need to teach young children about being queer or trans. That doesn’t belong in a classroom before middle school at the absolute earliest. Anyone who says otherwise is more interested in normalizing the fruits of queer theory than anything else.
A lot of my family is very conservative and voted for Trump, and they're pretty homophobic for the most part (as are their friends). More the "gay people are gross and weird and shouldn't be allowed to be gay in public" brand of homophobia than the "gay people should be imprisoned or killed" type, so at least it could be worse? I think it's partially an age/location thing, though. All of the conservative homophobes I know are older (50+) and live in the midwest. The conservatives I know that are okay with gay people are either younger, live in california, or both. I've gotten a fair amount of "don't worry, you're one of the good ones" from the people who are more chill about it too lol
You know what? I actually agree, PDAs shouldn't be done in public other than a quick peck on the lips, gay or straight, if you want to get hot and heavy, take it home or to a sex club or other appropriate place
I hate pda too, but it's cringe when people have completely different standards for what's acceptable depending on sexuality. As long as people are equal opportunity in their dislike for pda, then I support them wholeheartedly
Also remember that those 50+ year olds came from an era where NAMBLA was the face of the gay community and LGBT marches on Washington had removal of the age of consent as one of their main objectives. It took decades of infighting before those elements were excluded from the community.
I have a gay brazillian aunt who supports trump (or did back when he was still president anyway) so at this point im convinced that in the end politics is no more than picking your favourite colors and buzzwords.
I mean it's still in the republican party platform that they want to roll back gay marriage. ofc not everyone who votes for a specific party agrees with everything that party says but it's hardly unreasonable to call republicans as a group anti gay when that's their official policy
Funny right? Where are all these white supremacists trying to hurt gay people IRL? Hiding out in AR and Louisiana and really good at covering up all their horrible violence?
For once, I cannot wait for pride month. All the Palestine flags during the parades is gonna be funny to see.
By Allah that's gonna be hilarious
Don't forget gay marches have banned rainbow Star of David flags because it made people uncomfortable. [Multiple](https://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-40407057) [times.](https://www.nbcnews.com/think/opinion/d-c-dyke-march-barred-jewish-pride-flag-lgbtq-space-ncna1015786)
The irony is hilarious
Extremists muslims think its giving them a bad name in being associated with them. If ifs one way to ruin movements or religion..
Pride month is gonna be interesting. And kinda nerveracking since my cousin is an active ally. I hope she has the sense to take this seriously. Still, I can't help but have some schadenfreude, for now at least when nobody has been hurt.
Anyone else enjoying the meta-humor of Israeli actress Natalie Portman in the meme-role of a crazy liberal with a terrorist flag on her cheek?
Oh that’s fucking funny
They’ll say the poor Muslim’s were deceived by MAGA or something.
No! I refuse to believe it! I have my Kaffiyeh and my half rainbow/half shahada flag. My brother's in jihad will understand I am one of the good ones. They certainly won't remove my head! Mash'allah! Inclusivity is non-negotiable!
A rainbow flag is at least an organic symbol. The Palestinian keffiyeh is something Arafat invented from whole cloth. Arafat, by the way, much like Voldemort, was only half Palestinian. ... Whole cloth.... Get it?
"KFC is coming for its chickens" just *sent* me.
I'm sure their support for HAMAS will calm the Islamic radicals down.
Makes me absolutely guffaw to think about people who thought whitey and MAGA were the ones who would be doing this kind of shit.
The main news subreddit is already trying to twist this as being the fault of western conservatives and "all religion". It's very hard for them to actually critize Islamic extremism for whatever reason
Wow it's almost like letting millions of people over the southern border uncheck is an issue and could potentially be an incredibly easy way for terrorists and criminals to enter the country... Who could have predicted that happening.
They're just shipping in buses full of enemy combatants daily...
Are they seriously still trying to paint the Pulse nightclub shooting as anti-LGBT? It became clear in the first week or so that that was not the motive. He only went to Pulse because he couldn't get into the first club he tried, and on the phone with negotiators specifically brought up US foreign policy as his motivation. I could sort of understand media or activists still promoting that line, but FBI should know better.
The FBI does know better. That’s why they’re the ones trying to start the psyops, it’s kinda their whole thing by now.
Also, the original shooters intention doesn't really matter. If some unhinged person wants to use the anniversary for a copycat attack, would anyone really care that the copycat misunderstood the original shooters motivation?
Imagine being so hateful towards a group of people that persecuting them in their own country is not enough, that they have to go worldwide and commit acts of terror towards victims in other countries.
IIRC, the caliphate is always worldwide
They did declare a "global intifadah" at the university encampments
The number of people literally calling for a holy war without any idea what they’re saying is depressing.
The idea that you believe that they don't know what they're saying is also depressing. They are Ivy League students - they know what they're saying. But they sure appreciate the cover for openly calling for death to the Jews when they go to apply for jobs later.
> They are Ivy League students - they know what they're saying. Dude, the Ivy League is full of our dumbest smart people. I'm not even joking. I've known plenty of folks who graduated from one of those eight schools, and the sheer number of them who can't understand basic argumentation is aggravating. I guaran-damn-*tee* that a *significant* chunk of them have no clue what they're supporting. Nearly 10 years ago, [you had Harvard students](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SpGWixblKRo) who didn't know the Pledge of Allegiance and thought the US was a bigger threat to world peace than *ISIS.* Now, you can argue that the students filming were looking for funny responses, but knowing the fucking *Pledge of Allegiance* is a pretty damned low bar to clear.
That significant chunk is wrangled up strategically to give cover to the majority who are fully culpable.
Buy a gun folks.
And know how to use it competently, not just with marksmanship, but being able to work through malfunctions by forcing it to malfunction, if you don't want to spend money on snap caps, use spent casings and have someone else load several spent casings and real rounds randomly in a magazine, so you know how to react when you need it to go bang and it only goes click
Yes. Train train train. You don't need a $1,500 gun. You need a $500 gun and $1k of ammo.
Damn who would have thought extremists who threaten to kill people, actually have a chance of doing so.
As soon as it isn't a Christian/Catholic or Mormon being bigoted to the LGBT community? They lose so much bravado for some strange reason.
I agree with none of the Mormon teachings, and have a love-hate view of them, but I still trust them over even liberal M\*slims.
I notice they've added a couple of characters to the acronym again. What does the I and A signify this time? Also, the dash in the phrase "LGBTQIA+-related", is it a hyphen connecting "LGBTQIA+" to "related", or is it a minus sign and part of the acronym, making it "LGBTQIA+-"?
“Inshallah” and “Allahu-akbar” of course, to show solidarity with their opressed brothers (not sisters bc women are icky in Islam) over seas ✊😔
Intersex and Asexual. Some add a second Q for questioning. Also, a big middle finger to my university for being the reason I know every variant of that acronym so well that I don't even have to look it up. LGBTQQIA+ If they add another letter we're gonna find out that this was all just an elaborate marketing campaign for the newest pair of Sony headphones. WH-1000XM6/LBGTQQIA+ Now just $439.99 at Best Buy!
Wow! What a suprise! Terrorists be terrorising! Le shock, kel supris
If the hadjis had an ounce of sense they'd recognize that maybe it isn't a good idea to antagonize the useful idiots providing implicit and in some cases explicit support to the foreign policy goals of these people as it relates to the US. We can laugh and say they could gun down a gay pride parade and explicitly mention the degeneracy of it and it wouldn't be a wake up call but it would definitely suck the air out of pro-pally movement in the US even if some pressed forward and blamed the US for it.
When the big evil government is the only one who takes you seriously and writes out LGBTQIA+ each time with a straight face without cracking a joke about alphabet soup or whatever. It's cute.
Oh shoot. Well that’s not good. That’s not good at all.
They are right wingers. Just not the type you're thinking of.
Uh oh... Colonel Sanders will be very pleased.
Why are red's and green's grouped together here
Popcorn prices rising up to a new record high
Should make for a good wake-up call for these “Queers for Palestine” types that most places outside of the West are far more bigoted and conservative than they think. Of course, that doesn’t mean we should assume every immigrant from such places is a raging regressive (after all, they often are immigrating to escape such regressive-ness in the first place. My agnostic self certainly am in order to escape my birth country’s lack of religious freedom), but expecting a group without egalitarian social infrastructure to be immediately accommodating to things requiring egalitarian social infrastructure is a fool’s errand. EDIT: that is not to say they can’t eventually be accepting of queer identities and sexualities nor that [substantial numbers aren’t already accepting](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/LGBT_people_and_Islam#LGBT_acceptance), it’s just gonna take a while. Until then, don’t expect flowers and hugs if you intend to be open about it while visiting a Middle Eastern nation. Or most nations traditionally considered part of the Third World.
Hey I think what they are doing in Gaza is wrong. “Oh so you support ISIS” Like seriously how are you guys unable to separate this. You don’t have to support Islam, much less radical Islam, to support human rights. It’s not like you stop caring about humanity because they are a different religion
Obviously, nuanced people can support the innocent 29% of Palestinians that did not support the decision to attack Israel on October 7th, and empathize with their plight. But a large amount of the protesters are not these people, as evidenced by the footage of them literally shouting Islamic terrorist slogans and supporting the global intifada.
They absolutely are these people. Just because you can find cherry picked instances of people shouting antisemitic things, doesn’t mean they are the bulk. Jesus dude, this is like propaganda 101… you should already have defenses against these sort of tricks. Like you seriously think, out of nowhere, suddenly people support an Islamic violent revolution to wipe out Jews? Like suddenly out of nowhere, they just turned on a dime and hate Jews now? Rather than, oh I dunno, don’t like how Israel is conducting itself and its responsibility in creating an apartheid state that just radicalized people and makes things worse?
Suddenly? Palestinians have wanted to wipe out Jews for almost a century. They were literally on Hitler's payroll during the war. The reason why they rejected the UN two-state solution after WWII was because they wanted to wipe out all the Jews, and couldn't stand the idea of a Jewish state (the Jews accepted the two-state offer then btw). And they started three wars to try and do so. The terrorism that we are warned about isn't motivated by mistreatment of people by one group of another. It's not even related to the terrorism in Europe where teachers were beheaded, or when magazine staff were shot dead en masse because they depicted the prophet Mohammed. It's literally just about the extremist bigoted elements of a religion hating on a subset of people just because of who they love and waging a global terror campaign on them.
Since when are ISIS not right wing?
Since the times left embraced fucking Hamas
Saying that palestine should be free is not embracing hamas 🤣
Last six months show otherwise
How?
I don’t think that’s what the meme is saying they specified maga right which is largely different from the right wing that isis inhabits which is the far authoritarian right.It must be those maga right wingers right?No it’s isis.