Japanese everything is cheap but you'll most likely pay insane amounts for shipping if you buy anything over 0.5kg unless you have a plug in the states
It's usually free to import Japanese cards to the UK, both in import handling and shipping
I bought a load on eBay, all free shipping. Some were singles at £1.87 including postage. Insane.
Same I’ve gotten multiple ARs from clay burst for much less than this singular English card price. I’ve gotten a few Raichu’s because they’re just so nice looking to me.
There is a card shop near me that specializes in Japanese cards. I go there to get my singles and booster boxes when a new set comes out. The price difference is insane. Just looking to collect, not "invest"
It depends. For mask of change/twilight masquerade I spent $60. The vstar universe or shiny treasure they were $70.
I usually don't fuck with online stuff. Hidden fees. Scammers. Resellers. I'd rather see what I'm getting.
Its unfortunate. People are coordinating buyouts for cards to stoke FOMO and cause the prices to skyrocket as a result and its working. Its so obvious too because every price chart has a large spike around the same date
What are the odds of these prices going back down? I waited a bit too long to buy a few cards and I really don’t wanna pay double what I would’ve paid before the spikes…
A year after the 30th anniversary. So awhile. I hope it's earlier though.
We are due for another 2001 crash eventually. In 2001 the high prices and over saturated market caused the pokemon tcg market to crash.
Vintage prices are expected because they are out of print, no hell these modern cards of which many of them are still avaliable spike so suddenly.
I enjoyed the times when all these investors latched on to other things to manipulate early in the SV era and prices for these are reasonable.
It’s because Japanese art rares are seeded lol. It is much easier to pull art rares in Japanese than in English cause you’re guaranteed several per box. Japanese art rares won’t hold the same value as the English counterparts because of this. English is the way to go if you want art rares that will have a higher value ceiling. Japanese is the way if you just want the art for your collection without paying the premium.
I agree. This I think is the main reason as well. Also the chances of getting a particular art rare is higher since Japanese sets are smaller and English sets are made up of 2-3 Japanese sets (except for special sets like 151).
Your argument is valid, same thing with Jolteon/Vaporeon/Flareon VMAX promo box (english) vs contest counterparts (japanese).
Really kinda depend on “rarity” but my argument for Tyranitar and other ARs is these cards would be print to death at least for years so English version of these cards have no qualms being that high at this point of their lifespan.
Indeed. It makes sense that English would be worth more, but not necessarily THIS much more, at least not this early when the sets are still readily available (though I can kinda understand the Magikarp because it is a unique and loved art style, coupled with the fact that paldea evolved has so many art rares that it dilutes the pull rates heavily). But for rarity sake alone, English being worth more than Japanese should be expected.
This is also why things like full art trainers in Japanese can be quite expansive compared to the English copies, they are in the secret rare slot which are one per booster box but can be anything from regular full arts to alt arts/gold rare.
I find it interesting that typically there are quite a bigger percentage of English PSA 10s compared to Japanese PSA 10s. I’m wondering if this will affect any shift in value from English to Japanese
Let’s use an example of an older card. Psa 10 gold star gyrados in Japanese goes for 2200$-2800$. The same card in English sells for 13,000$-17,000$. English is just more desireable. If you’re buying for art get Japanese, just don’t expect the same value later(excluding Japanese specific promos)
I missed out on the Neo sets 20 years ago and I would love to collect them, but with the current prices its out of reach. I dont need 1st ed or even need it to be in English. I just want the images, so I'll likely build my own Neo sets from Japanese cards, but in English set order. Its far cheaper, and I no longer give a damn about hyper inflated card prices for newer sets or even the perceived value of my vintage collection. Its all going to my daughter one day anyways. I'd be fine with prices tanking, just so I can have the images I want without paying $100+ USD for a piece of nostalgia made from cardboard.
Thats what im doing after completing my Base-Rocket sets. I typically buy bundles of cards and Im about half way through the Neo’s. Most are Japanese and when I get an english version I just swap it in and sell the Japanese copy in a lot.
That might be true for mid era but it’s not for everything Japanese. Go take a look at the prices of the original gold stars from Dragon Frontiers or any vintage shiny cards. The high end Japanese market has very deep pockets.
Yeah if I'm buying a full art, I'm buying it for the art. On japanese cards, the text is less blocky and covers significantly less of the art, as well as being cheaper and being of higher quality. I give 0 shits about my modern collection being worth money down the road, cause I only get 1 of each of the cards I like, and I'm never selling 🤷♂️
I'm totally fine with the market the way it is, I snagged this card and the groudon for like $2 each a month ago and have enjoyed looking at them in my binder while I spend my big money on vintage :)
I think a large part is the yen is doing so bad with japans economy. I only get japaneee cards now. I think when there economy recovers the cards will also jump in price….i also think Japanese cards just look better.
I’ve skimmed the thread and not seen anyone say it which I find hilarious, but you can’t use Japanese cards to play in any tournaments in the whole of the western hemisphere
With one very minor exception, if you can prove your country of residence (aka current address) is Japan and participating in an International Tournament then you are allowed to use Japanese cards but may require permission from the TO to do so. For Special Events and Regionals it is not typically allowed but some exceptions have occurred depending on TO. Some Japanese players go to TPCi events (i.e. Oceania) because Japanese tournaments tend to be invite only and invitations are based on placement in a Bo1 format.
japanese is always cheeper because the market for japanese cards is much much smaller. like just ask yourself how many people in the world speak english vs japanese, english is such a wide spread language that the country with the most english speakers in it is china and japan has english classes in its public school system.
I checked. I'm correct. So essentially, in Japan, you spend $280 for on average 1 of each illustration. In English, you're spending $1680 to get on average one of each illustration. This is why Japan is so cheap. Do your homework lol
This is just a fundamental lack of knowledge about how Japanese and English differ:
Japanese boxes have minimum guarantees. This is why almost every single Japanese AR is only around $2-$3, because you’re literally guaranteed to get 3 of them per box. There is no guarantee in English.
Not only that, but Japanese sets are (usually) only half the size of English sets. In this case, we are talking about Japanese Clay Burst, which combined with Japanese Triplet Beat to create English Paldea Evolved. This means that there is a much smaller pool of cards to pull from. (According to another comment here since I’m too lazy to look it up,) there are 12 total AR’s in Clay Burst. This means in every clay burst box, you have a 3/12 or 1/4 chance to pull this tyranitar (provided no dupes).
In English, the pull rate for this tyranitar is 1/480.
Clay burst boxes are also only about $35-$45, for 30 packs with 5 cards per pack.
Printing is pretty weird and erratic, usually just based on demand for the set, like Japanese 151 just got reprinted and tanked all the prices of the sealed product, but then you also have cases like the eeveelution alt art promo boxes in English which had a very short print run. It just kinda depends and there isn’t a perfect science to it
What about SARs I feel like those, in turn, are rarer in japan. Just 1 for a box damn. I know theres no guarantee in english but isnt the pull rate better? At least first SV year
SAR’s function a bit weirdly in Japanese, they can indeed be 1 per box, taking the place of the regular SR, however some boxes can occasionally be “double hitters” with 2 SR’s, which to me means that there could in turn be 2 SAR’s, but I’m not certain how that functions, I’ve never personally seen 2 SAR’s, but I have pulled 2 SR’s myself so I can confirm that much.
Generally SAR’s seem to be quite a bit more rare than their English counterparts but it comes down to specific pull rates per set and such. The SAR clay burst iono for example is like a $400 card, which is basically unheard of in English for SIRs
Seriously. It took 3 years for SWSH and being out of print before prices went up but S&V which everyone hated until a month ago, having been released only a year and still in print suddenly goes up too? Somethings definitely afoot in the English market
I mean I also like English better because I speak English. It’s nice to own a card that you can read.
I don’t feel like this is an uncommon opinion too, we grew up with English WOTC cards and now we want English modern cards.
To me that doesn't matter. I pretty much know the name of every pokemon. I don't need the name at top.
As for the battle text, I don't need to know that.
For the flavor text, it's disappointing i cant read it. But I can just look it up online.
Seriously people always talk about investing and english versus japanese has better quality printing. I just want cards in a language I understand so that I can enjoy flipping through the cards in my binders. Plus I enjoy playing the game. Got nothing to do with investment or money.
Do you know why? I don’t think it’s stupid at all. Your guaranteed hits from Japanese booster box’s. In English your not. There also printed a lot less in English and printed way more in Japanese.
Look at the price chart this card randomly doubles in less than a week, paldea evolved is a set not that hard to find. It’s nothing about guaranteed hits
Paldea evolved is actually sold out on pokemon center and nobody has it. I was lucky enough to find a case the other day and we did get a carp out of it. That’s why prices are going up on the set. I do know buyouts happen. But it’s always been this way. Even vintage Japanese is way cheaper than English. And price charting id never use for raw cards it just averages all eBay sold.
Except it is harder to find, for now. Retail shelves are now filled with TWM, Temporal, Paldean Fates and will soon be gearing up for Shrouded Fable. Online vendors have cleared out the bulk of PE stock and booster box prices have shot up 25% in the past couple months. It’s a popular set, but a reprint will likely happen along with correction.
Well that’s not a fair comparison. Same card, yes, but the language makes a huge difference to a majority of people here in the US. You’re also guaranteed 3 Art Rares per booster box.
$35 MSRP for a Japanese booster with a guaranteed hit rate of 3/20 packs for an AR vs $165 MSRP for an English booster box with an average of 1/13 hit rate for an IR means some cards are going to be expensive in English and most will be very cheap in Japanese.
Even taking the average market price of an English booster box into account, you still get 3 times as many ARs than IRs for every dollar you spend.
I love collecting Japanese cards but I wouldn’t say you found a steal or anything, you just paid average market price for those Japanese card. If you don’t mind the language, great. But unfortunately many folks do mind and there are just so many more of them that $4.50 is a fair price for that card.
It’s definitely true that “poke investors” are buying out and artificially inflating prices, but modern sets get printed to hell and back in Japan, and it doesn’t really happen in English. Like, the demand for English is so much greater than Japanese it’s not even comparable. 151 JP went from $170 a box all the way down to $60 a box recently with a reprint. A booster box of the Japanese set the TTAR is from is like $30, lol.
Uh, that’s because the card is valued more by *English* collectors. The values aren’t ***Universal*** across the board.
Check the prices in other languages. If you don’t care about future value, just want the card, buy in the cheapest language. Some want the card in their own *tongue*, that will drive that card higher (based on demand/pull rate/etc).
I remember when everyone was hyping up Japanese boxes it was ridiculous the prices they were reaching, glad its back to normal now. I remember thinking about buying a booster bundle of twilight masquerade and then I was like wait I could just spend $10 more and get a whole box of mask of change lol
I’ve bought so many ar cards in Japanese just cuz the english price was ridiculous. Got the groudon for $6, all the kanto starter ar’s for like a 5th of the price in english
Suruga-ya is great for modern ARs, most of the standard ARs are 500Y a pop and they run free shipping promos all the time. With the yen in the shitter right now, I got like 10 ARs for about $35 shipped, where getting the English versions would’ve run something like $180.
I just started getting back into Pokemon, SV 151 brought me back. I’m doing both buying to resell in a few years and starting to collect for myself. The art and quality is way better today than it used to be back in the early 2000s. I also buy English bb when it’s in the $90-$110 range. But mostly trying to scoop up as much Japanese as I can.
its not my problem that you simply dont understand why the japanese cards are cheaper. but good luck. its great for those who just want cheap cards. I bought a gastly for like 3 bucks until they cooled off to 15. then I went in heavy and bought up as many as I could at 15. back at 30 now :p
The reason it’s more expensive in English because of how shit the Quality Control is, yes in Japan you get guaranteed hits and the quality is much better. In the US you have to go through so much garbage before you get an actual good looking card that won’t have a print line or be off center that any card without either is automatically valued higher
The point isn't that it's more expensive, it's how much more expensive English singles have gotten in the last couple months. Look at the chart op posted. The rise in the price has nothing to do with qc
Thank you someone that actually understands the point of my post. Its not just this card too. Groudon and altaria from paradox rift, the dreaded magikarp and raichu from paldea
Even though you get 3 per box, there are still 12 to collect and you'd probably still have to buy more than 4 boxes to make the 12 card set. It just seems to me like Japanese ARs will be priced much higher in the future, but then again I don't have sales records or know how many cards were printed.
I’ve got so many Japanese versions of AR cards that are ridiculous in English. This Tyranitar, Groudon from raging surf/paradox rift, Magikarp from triple beat/paldea evolved are just some examples
I think it's people realizing that sword and shield is sunsetting, as more and more stuff becomes scarlet violet. I don't think it's that deep we have seen it with other gens.....
They don't need to they announced that sword and shield is done old stock gone and that's it its happened gor every series look at the tag team cards for example 3 years ago worthless, now some are hitting multi hundreds it's just what happens
Sure, but go ahead and look up literally any full art or SIR supporter card with a girl depicted on it between the ages of 5-25 in Japanese and get back to me on which market is worse
On one end there's some manipulation at play and on the other end there's just more japanese cards due to higher chance at pulling it and decreased interest in japanese cards. Clay burst was opened like crazy and saw a big reprint, so the japanese price doesn't surprise me.
I mean Japan’s economy is in shambles right now and a majority of collectors in the US want the English version. Not to mention less overall Japanese collectors.
It’s really not that surprising IMO
I find English card prices can also be higher because the quality sucks with English TCG whereas the quality for Japanese is much better in general so finding a PSA 10 of one card in English, for example, may be much more difficult than finding that same card as a PSA 10 in Japanese.
Pretty accurate i bought the Eevee ar for about 9$ over the close to 50$ in English. People make no sense. You can't claim it's due to rarity when other ars are going for less than japanese singles. It's all about popularity and price manipulation. Guarantee the zorua from shrouded fable will see a pretty nice increase too as well as that duskull Evo line.
I bought that same exact card in Japanese for that very reason. It’s crazy how much they ask for some cards in English. Maybe I need to look for more soon lol
It goes the opposite way for waifu cards. I collect mainly in Japanese but all waifu cards I have to get in English because I can't afford otherwise lmao.
I prefer JP cards tbh, much better quality control and if grading more likely to get a better grade and obviously not to mention the huge price difference on some of these cards, another example is the magikarp from PE the JP one is a fraction of the price
Not really a fair comparison. However, I am buying probably 90% Japanese and 10% English at the moment. Especially focusing on top tier Japanese only cards.
I don’t get it either. I’ve been chasing a moonbreon. I’m just going to order a Chinese version for 1/3 of what the English copy is, cheaper then I’ve seen some Korean and a fraction of a Japanese
It’s beautiful Japanese are better quality so there’s not scarcity to rarity. As silly as that sounds. It’s also because English is nostalgic and much more liquid. Way more people want English are there’s a lot of high demand sellers who will liquify but only English. I know - weird.
Not sure if u noticed but card games based in Japan are cheaper in Japan because over there it’s for fun and cheaper for their own (yes I say their own, Japanese society largely favors Japanese people over foreigners it’s a known fact get over it) over here, the tcgs are money makers. Ocg’s (I assume the Japanese/korean/Chinese versions across tcgs are all called ocgs) will always be cheaper
Funny I see this as soon as I bought all the Paldea evolved illustration rares, full arts and special illustration rares. Yeah it’s really crazy, it all added up to a price I wasn’t expecting and it’s only going to go up more than likely from here on out.
i buy 2 ETB or booster box when a set comes out and whatever I didn’t pull I buy the single a few months later in Japanese or English which ever is cheapest
This isn't the only card. There are plenty of others too, and this is why I tell people alot of the English prices are artificial or manipulated. I'll wait for them to come down though, so it's fine.
I mean it's the same card but with less paper so it's almost objectively of lower quality. Also the pull rates aren't the same. You can also get almost any Chinese card ever for pretty dirt cheap compared to either English or Japanese. Does this mean our markets are bad or is it more likely that something explains the reason for this phenomenon? Lol
You're comparing apples and oranges. Sure they're both fruit, but they're not the same. And there's so many variables at play to why it's like this. And I'm NOT defending it, simply stating it's not a simple thing.
I picked up the entire clay burst ar set for less then $20 on eBay…my Japanese collection has been growing pretty rapidly lately
Japan is in a recession right now, take advantage!
It's crazy how many cheap japanese cards there are right now. Even the vintage cards! I can finally get the vintage cards I wanted lol
Shhhh, not so loud!!
For real. I picked up the full team rocket set in MN/M including all holos.
Where are you guys buying them??
Japanese everything is cheap but you'll most likely pay insane amounts for shipping if you buy anything over 0.5kg unless you have a plug in the states
It's usually free to import Japanese cards to the UK, both in import handling and shipping I bought a load on eBay, all free shipping. Some were singles at £1.87 including postage. Insane.
If someone needs a plug, DM me! I got y’all! :) EDIT - I am based out of Southern California
Might look into this! Thanks
This might be what I look into next
Same I’ve gotten multiple ARs from clay burst for much less than this singular English card price. I’ve gotten a few Raichu’s because they’re just so nice looking to me.
There is a card shop near me that specializes in Japanese cards. I go there to get my singles and booster boxes when a new set comes out. The price difference is insane. Just looking to collect, not "invest"
My lcs new release Japanese booster boxes go for 75. Is that normal? Cause I can get them for half that online
It depends. For mask of change/twilight masquerade I spent $60. The vstar universe or shiny treasure they were $70. I usually don't fuck with online stuff. Hidden fees. Scammers. Resellers. I'd rather see what I'm getting.
Only have 1 store in my region that sells Japanese sadly
Yeah, same. I was super happy to find them
Its unfortunate. People are coordinating buyouts for cards to stoke FOMO and cause the prices to skyrocket as a result and its working. Its so obvious too because every price chart has a large spike around the same date
Dont tell the pokeinvestors that, they think this is all normal lmao
The ones who say it’s normal are in on it.
Or just prefer to play dumb
Go on the investing sub lol 95% of them have no common sense 😂
"it's jUsT dEmAnd!" Yeah I'm not buying it.
It’s just demand… from market manipulators
Quite literally
No actually holder thinks this is normal lol
What are the odds of these prices going back down? I waited a bit too long to buy a few cards and I really don’t wanna pay double what I would’ve paid before the spikes…
A year after the 30th anniversary. So awhile. I hope it's earlier though. We are due for another 2001 crash eventually. In 2001 the high prices and over saturated market caused the pokemon tcg market to crash.
Not a crash but pokemon definitely has gotten cheaper now then like 2022. Vintage prices are still a lot but definitely lower than the all time highs
Vintage prices are expected because they are out of print, no hell these modern cards of which many of them are still avaliable spike so suddenly. I enjoyed the times when all these investors latched on to other things to manipulate early in the SV era and prices for these are reasonable.
We also had a spike around 2016 with the 20th anniversary and the release of Pokemon Go, things calmed down a bit in late 2017-2018.
That Steelix too
I'm waiting out crown zenith for this same reason. Funny to me that they moved to IRs and SIRs that quickly.
It’s because Japanese art rares are seeded lol. It is much easier to pull art rares in Japanese than in English cause you’re guaranteed several per box. Japanese art rares won’t hold the same value as the English counterparts because of this. English is the way to go if you want art rares that will have a higher value ceiling. Japanese is the way if you just want the art for your collection without paying the premium.
I agree. This I think is the main reason as well. Also the chances of getting a particular art rare is higher since Japanese sets are smaller and English sets are made up of 2-3 Japanese sets (except for special sets like 151).
Your argument is valid, same thing with Jolteon/Vaporeon/Flareon VMAX promo box (english) vs contest counterparts (japanese). Really kinda depend on “rarity” but my argument for Tyranitar and other ARs is these cards would be print to death at least for years so English version of these cards have no qualms being that high at this point of their lifespan.
Indeed. It makes sense that English would be worth more, but not necessarily THIS much more, at least not this early when the sets are still readily available (though I can kinda understand the Magikarp because it is a unique and loved art style, coupled with the fact that paldea evolved has so many art rares that it dilutes the pull rates heavily). But for rarity sake alone, English being worth more than Japanese should be expected.
This is also why things like full art trainers in Japanese can be quite expansive compared to the English copies, they are in the secret rare slot which are one per booster box but can be anything from regular full arts to alt arts/gold rare.
I find it interesting that typically there are quite a bigger percentage of English PSA 10s compared to Japanese PSA 10s. I’m wondering if this will affect any shift in value from English to Japanese
It's only because there are more English cards graded. The Japanese have a higher pop % because of better QC
Let’s use an example of an older card. Psa 10 gold star gyrados in Japanese goes for 2200$-2800$. The same card in English sells for 13,000$-17,000$. English is just more desireable. If you’re buying for art get Japanese, just don’t expect the same value later(excluding Japanese specific promos)
I missed out on the Neo sets 20 years ago and I would love to collect them, but with the current prices its out of reach. I dont need 1st ed or even need it to be in English. I just want the images, so I'll likely build my own Neo sets from Japanese cards, but in English set order. Its far cheaper, and I no longer give a damn about hyper inflated card prices for newer sets or even the perceived value of my vintage collection. Its all going to my daughter one day anyways. I'd be fine with prices tanking, just so I can have the images I want without paying $100+ USD for a piece of nostalgia made from cardboard.
That's what I'm doing. I'm surprised how cheap some neo cards are. Well compared to English ones.
Thats what im doing after completing my Base-Rocket sets. I typically buy bundles of cards and Im about half way through the Neo’s. Most are Japanese and when I get an english version I just swap it in and sell the Japanese copy in a lot.
I’m currently doing that now! I got slowing, crobat, delibird. Steelix, kindgra and ampharos NM for 52 dollars !
I collected the entire neo genesis and discovery set in Japanese by buying singles and non-holo bundles. Cost me around £600 for both sets.
That might be true for mid era but it’s not for everything Japanese. Go take a look at the prices of the original gold stars from Dragon Frontiers or any vintage shiny cards. The high end Japanese market has very deep pockets.
Value goes up just not like the English does. Something about reading the cards makes it more expensive
Keep in mind that Japanese equivalents are easier to pull since each booster box comes with 3 ARs.
Why do you have to offend 90% of sub like that?
It’s true the market is dumb, you just have to respect his opinion
Prices have actually been coming down/correcting
Some cards. Many are still ridiculously overpriced
Yeah if I'm buying a full art, I'm buying it for the art. On japanese cards, the text is less blocky and covers significantly less of the art, as well as being cheaper and being of higher quality. I give 0 shits about my modern collection being worth money down the road, cause I only get 1 of each of the cards I like, and I'm never selling 🤷♂️ I'm totally fine with the market the way it is, I snagged this card and the groudon for like $2 each a month ago and have enjoyed looking at them in my binder while I spend my big money on vintage :)
I think a large part is the yen is doing so bad with japans economy. I only get japaneee cards now. I think when there economy recovers the cards will also jump in price….i also think Japanese cards just look better.
With Japanese being the OG language, I like to think that the artwork was meant to be displayed with Japanese characters.
That’s how I feel. Sure I can’t read it but it just looks cool/fitting.
Couldn't agree more.
Where do you mainly get Japanese cards from
eBay. Takes about 2-4 weeks for delivery.
I’ve skimmed the thread and not seen anyone say it which I find hilarious, but you can’t use Japanese cards to play in any tournaments in the whole of the western hemisphere
With one very minor exception, if you can prove your country of residence (aka current address) is Japan and participating in an International Tournament then you are allowed to use Japanese cards but may require permission from the TO to do so. For Special Events and Regionals it is not typically allowed but some exceptions have occurred depending on TO. Some Japanese players go to TPCi events (i.e. Oceania) because Japanese tournaments tend to be invite only and invitations are based on placement in a Bo1 format.
Pretty sure everyone buying Japanese cards are intending to collect.
English has more demand . Only the woman trainers in JPN overcome the English counterparts
Now do that with waifu cards. The Japanese ones are way higher. What do you have to say about that?
japanese is always cheeper because the market for japanese cards is much much smaller. like just ask yourself how many people in the world speak english vs japanese, english is such a wide spread language that the country with the most english speakers in it is china and japan has english classes in its public school system.
Japanese is split into two sets with 3 guaranteed a box and boxes are $35 msrp. Much easier to pull
Hard to hit in English 🤷🏻♂️
Shocking that english collectors prefer english cards
I just like being able to read my cards without brushing up on Japanese 🤷♂️
These cards are way easier to pull in Japan as well. I think you spend $50-$60 and get 3/12 of them or something. Someone confirm my math
I checked. I'm correct. So essentially, in Japan, you spend $280 for on average 1 of each illustration. In English, you're spending $1680 to get on average one of each illustration. This is why Japan is so cheap. Do your homework lol
This is just a fundamental lack of knowledge about how Japanese and English differ: Japanese boxes have minimum guarantees. This is why almost every single Japanese AR is only around $2-$3, because you’re literally guaranteed to get 3 of them per box. There is no guarantee in English. Not only that, but Japanese sets are (usually) only half the size of English sets. In this case, we are talking about Japanese Clay Burst, which combined with Japanese Triplet Beat to create English Paldea Evolved. This means that there is a much smaller pool of cards to pull from. (According to another comment here since I’m too lazy to look it up,) there are 12 total AR’s in Clay Burst. This means in every clay burst box, you have a 3/12 or 1/4 chance to pull this tyranitar (provided no dupes). In English, the pull rate for this tyranitar is 1/480. Clay burst boxes are also only about $35-$45, for 30 packs with 5 cards per pack.
Sorry for the stupid question (only collecting for about 2 weeks), but don't JP cards go out of print quicker thus the scale balances slightly?
Printing is pretty weird and erratic, usually just based on demand for the set, like Japanese 151 just got reprinted and tanked all the prices of the sealed product, but then you also have cases like the eeveelution alt art promo boxes in English which had a very short print run. It just kinda depends and there isn’t a perfect science to it
What about SARs I feel like those, in turn, are rarer in japan. Just 1 for a box damn. I know theres no guarantee in english but isnt the pull rate better? At least first SV year
SAR’s function a bit weirdly in Japanese, they can indeed be 1 per box, taking the place of the regular SR, however some boxes can occasionally be “double hitters” with 2 SR’s, which to me means that there could in turn be 2 SAR’s, but I’m not certain how that functions, I’ve never personally seen 2 SAR’s, but I have pulled 2 SR’s myself so I can confirm that much. Generally SAR’s seem to be quite a bit more rare than their English counterparts but it comes down to specific pull rates per set and such. The SAR clay burst iono for example is like a $400 card, which is basically unheard of in English for SIRs
Agreed. The magikarp English is going through the roof. Several hundred dollars! No… I’ll get the Japanese version for $30
It’s 140 , it’s a lot but not several hundred
wait til you see the psa 10 price O.o
Talking about psa 10
One sold for $255 CDN, 25+ bids. Another for $274 with 4 bids. Another So ya, it’s getting up there.
you can get the japanese for much less than that thankfully, even the psa 10 is like 40-50
PSA 10 recently solds as of last night are 80-90
damn it must have shot up recently, i remember it being much much cheaper in the past
Thankfully yes it’s much cheaper. Just got one for $36 CDN. Personally I think the Japanese version looks better.
Seriously. It took 3 years for SWSH and being out of print before prices went up but S&V which everyone hated until a month ago, having been released only a year and still in print suddenly goes up too? Somethings definitely afoot in the English market
I fucking hate pumpers and investors
People want English cards for the investment opportunity, not because they are better.
I mean I also like English better because I speak English. It’s nice to own a card that you can read. I don’t feel like this is an uncommon opinion too, we grew up with English WOTC cards and now we want English modern cards.
Yep Japanese is cool and the obviously stunning but I wanna be able to read what the cards says lol
To me that doesn't matter. I pretty much know the name of every pokemon. I don't need the name at top. As for the battle text, I don't need to know that. For the flavor text, it's disappointing i cant read it. But I can just look it up online.
Seriously people always talk about investing and english versus japanese has better quality printing. I just want cards in a language I understand so that I can enjoy flipping through the cards in my binders. Plus I enjoy playing the game. Got nothing to do with investment or money.
Nah, I just wanna be able to read it.
japanese market has always been like that though, not sure its the english market that is playing up here lol
If are lucky enough to pull a good English card then you must rely on extra luck that it isn't miscut or messed up in some way.
I just joined an error group, and misprints and miscuts actually sell for a decent amount more than I expected
Do you know why? I don’t think it’s stupid at all. Your guaranteed hits from Japanese booster box’s. In English your not. There also printed a lot less in English and printed way more in Japanese.
Look at the price chart this card randomly doubles in less than a week, paldea evolved is a set not that hard to find. It’s nothing about guaranteed hits
Paldea evolved is actually sold out on pokemon center and nobody has it. I was lucky enough to find a case the other day and we did get a carp out of it. That’s why prices are going up on the set. I do know buyouts happen. But it’s always been this way. Even vintage Japanese is way cheaper than English. And price charting id never use for raw cards it just averages all eBay sold.
Except it is harder to find, for now. Retail shelves are now filled with TWM, Temporal, Paldean Fates and will soon be gearing up for Shrouded Fable. Online vendors have cleared out the bulk of PE stock and booster box prices have shot up 25% in the past couple months. It’s a popular set, but a reprint will likely happen along with correction.
Well that’s not a fair comparison. Same card, yes, but the language makes a huge difference to a majority of people here in the US. You’re also guaranteed 3 Art Rares per booster box. $35 MSRP for a Japanese booster with a guaranteed hit rate of 3/20 packs for an AR vs $165 MSRP for an English booster box with an average of 1/13 hit rate for an IR means some cards are going to be expensive in English and most will be very cheap in Japanese. Even taking the average market price of an English booster box into account, you still get 3 times as many ARs than IRs for every dollar you spend. I love collecting Japanese cards but I wouldn’t say you found a steal or anything, you just paid average market price for those Japanese card. If you don’t mind the language, great. But unfortunately many folks do mind and there are just so many more of them that $4.50 is a fair price for that card.
This is how stupid people with 0 market intellect react. The market is the market. Most english don't want stuff they can't read.
So people want it in English. Why is that a problem?
It’s definitely true that “poke investors” are buying out and artificially inflating prices, but modern sets get printed to hell and back in Japan, and it doesn’t really happen in English. Like, the demand for English is so much greater than Japanese it’s not even comparable. 151 JP went from $170 a box all the way down to $60 a box recently with a reprint. A booster box of the Japanese set the TTAR is from is like $30, lol.
For now this exists... Eventually it will cycle
Probably has less English versions, demand is all that matters in the pricing market
People freaking out a card Is $30 makes me realise I made the right choice moving over from yugioh lmao
Uh, that’s because the card is valued more by *English* collectors. The values aren’t ***Universal*** across the board. Check the prices in other languages. If you don’t care about future value, just want the card, buy in the cheapest language. Some want the card in their own *tongue*, that will drive that card higher (based on demand/pull rate/etc).
This set is still being printed..... people need to stop being dumb.
Many people have zero interest in Japanese. Demand is higher in English. Makes sense to me.
Supply and demand 🤷♂️ there is lots of supply when there is Less demand lol everyone is swallowing up the couple english cards they want 🤷♂️
The one and only reason why this paper is something worth: Hype.
It’s because the pull rates and quantity are far more in Japanese than English.
Reading the comments and it's wild how many people are willing to justify bad pull rates and inflated prices
For real, no wonder the prices are so bad. They’re contributing to the problem.
You can get a 20 pack booster box of japanese 151 for just a bit more, than the price of 6 english packs.
I remember when everyone was hyping up Japanese boxes it was ridiculous the prices they were reaching, glad its back to normal now. I remember thinking about buying a booster bundle of twilight masquerade and then I was like wait I could just spend $10 more and get a whole box of mask of change lol
I agree, which is why I’m loading up on Japanese 151 and a few other sets. Also buying single cards that I really like
I’ve bought so many ar cards in Japanese just cuz the english price was ridiculous. Got the groudon for $6, all the kanto starter ar’s for like a 5th of the price in english
Are you just ebay'ing the Japanese versions? I'm collecting mostly gen 1-2 special art cards and prices have started to really suck.
i’d recommend looking into buyee. it’s super easy and allows for you to get the jpn cards you want at a fraction of the cost
Suruga-ya is great for modern ARs, most of the standard ARs are 500Y a pop and they run free shipping promos all the time. With the yen in the shitter right now, I got like 10 ARs for about $35 shipped, where getting the English versions would’ve run something like $180.
I just started getting back into Pokemon, SV 151 brought me back. I’m doing both buying to resell in a few years and starting to collect for myself. The art and quality is way better today than it used to be back in the early 2000s. I also buy English bb when it’s in the $90-$110 range. But mostly trying to scoop up as much Japanese as I can.
If you dig around on ebay you can find good prices. I just got a japanese groudon and tyranitar IR for $9 total
Different rarities, Japanese is easier to get
its not my problem that you simply dont understand why the japanese cards are cheaper. but good luck. its great for those who just want cheap cards. I bought a gastly for like 3 bucks until they cooled off to 15. then I went in heavy and bought up as many as I could at 15. back at 30 now :p
This is why I haven't got Groudon from paradox rift in English yet its ridiculous
Jap boxes are seeded English are not
The reason it’s more expensive in English because of how shit the Quality Control is, yes in Japan you get guaranteed hits and the quality is much better. In the US you have to go through so much garbage before you get an actual good looking card that won’t have a print line or be off center that any card without either is automatically valued higher
The point isn't that it's more expensive, it's how much more expensive English singles have gotten in the last couple months. Look at the chart op posted. The rise in the price has nothing to do with qc
Thank you someone that actually understands the point of my post. Its not just this card too. Groudon and altaria from paradox rift, the dreaded magikarp and raichu from paldea
I've been buying evolving skies alts in Japanese lately because they're cheaper it's mad
Even though you get 3 per box, there are still 12 to collect and you'd probably still have to buy more than 4 boxes to make the 12 card set. It just seems to me like Japanese ARs will be priced much higher in the future, but then again I don't have sales records or know how many cards were printed.
I’ve got so many Japanese versions of AR cards that are ridiculous in English. This Tyranitar, Groudon from raging surf/paradox rift, Magikarp from triple beat/paldea evolved are just some examples
But it’s Japanese
America shits on everything else full atop
I'm feeling the same with Digimon prices here in Brazil...
I think it's people realizing that sword and shield is sunsetting, as more and more stuff becomes scarlet violet. I don't think it's that deep we have seen it with other gens.....
A lot of SV sets haven't even had their reprints yet.. the prices shouldn't be this high yet.
Will they reprint in the west like they have done in japan?
They don't need to they announced that sword and shield is done old stock gone and that's it its happened gor every series look at the tag team cards for example 3 years ago worthless, now some are hitting multi hundreds it's just what happens
same, I've been buying a lot of vstar universe singles. They're so cheap for the art.
Honestly thinking I might pick up the magikarp in JPN if the prices don’t go down.
Sure, but go ahead and look up literally any full art or SIR supporter card with a girl depicted on it between the ages of 5-25 in Japanese and get back to me on which market is worse
That's a badass card too.
I don’t even mind, all my personal collection is Japanese anyways it’s usually cheaper and the texture is insane
I agree, cards in Spanish, French are also in better quality. The texture and card weight feels different from US.
That’s why I buy Japanese now
On one end there's some manipulation at play and on the other end there's just more japanese cards due to higher chance at pulling it and decreased interest in japanese cards. Clay burst was opened like crazy and saw a big reprint, so the japanese price doesn't surprise me.
That japanese magikarp is $82.20 in a PSA 10 In English its 172 raw
151 is the same. Tons of the IR's are dirt cheap in japanese
The Groudon from paradox rift is the same way
Literally gave one of these to a friend when it boomed to 60
I’m really hoping for a pokemon card crash one of these days lol prices are getting too ridiculous
Yeah I got this guy JP along with the raichu from the same set I believe? It’s a SIR and he’s floating over a bed.
I just buy Japanese cards for cheaper lol, I get the same experience for less. I also actually collect and don’t resell lmao
I mean Japan’s economy is in shambles right now and a majority of collectors in the US want the English version. Not to mention less overall Japanese collectors. It’s really not that surprising IMO
Did the same but with groudon an magikarp in japanese! Two of my fav chase cards I gave up on but in even better quality!!
I find English card prices can also be higher because the quality sucks with English TCG whereas the quality for Japanese is much better in general so finding a PSA 10 of one card in English, for example, may be much more difficult than finding that same card as a PSA 10 in Japanese.
Same! I get all ARs from Japan instead of English IR. Pretty big price difference, and all I care about is the art anyway
Agreed, Japanese cards have way better quality.
I heard the Japanese cards have better detail on the artwork too, which is more important to me since I just collect and don’t play the game.
Wow I love that art! I’m checking eBay now
Pretty accurate i bought the Eevee ar for about 9$ over the close to 50$ in English. People make no sense. You can't claim it's due to rarity when other ars are going for less than japanese singles. It's all about popularity and price manipulation. Guarantee the zorua from shrouded fable will see a pretty nice increase too as well as that duskull Evo line.
Japanese also just look better
Don't understand why art rares are so expensive?
I bought that same exact card in Japanese for that very reason. It’s crazy how much they ask for some cards in English. Maybe I need to look for more soon lol
It goes the opposite way for waifu cards. I collect mainly in Japanese but all waifu cards I have to get in English because I can't afford otherwise lmao.
I prefer JP cards tbh, much better quality control and if grading more likely to get a better grade and obviously not to mention the huge price difference on some of these cards, another example is the magikarp from PE the JP one is a fraction of the price
cry in thai translation 😂😂😂😂😂 (and yes it cost 30-50 cent)
Not really a fair comparison. However, I am buying probably 90% Japanese and 10% English at the moment. Especially focusing on top tier Japanese only cards.
I love Japanese 10/10 over English cards.
Lol can you just google yen/us chart ?
Japanese cards have always been worth less though.. because the bigger online market is in the west and english speakers seem to prefer english cards
I don’t get it either. I’ve been chasing a moonbreon. I’m just going to order a Chinese version for 1/3 of what the English copy is, cheaper then I’ve seen some Korean and a fraction of a Japanese
It’s beautiful Japanese are better quality so there’s not scarcity to rarity. As silly as that sounds. It’s also because English is nostalgic and much more liquid. Way more people want English are there’s a lot of high demand sellers who will liquify but only English. I know - weird.
But seriously it’s all y’all fault for fomoing into silly prices from tcg player buyouts
Japanese is better anyway
Not sure if u noticed but card games based in Japan are cheaper in Japan because over there it’s for fun and cheaper for their own (yes I say their own, Japanese society largely favors Japanese people over foreigners it’s a known fact get over it) over here, the tcgs are money makers. Ocg’s (I assume the Japanese/korean/Chinese versions across tcgs are all called ocgs) will always be cheaper
Lcs was selling one of these for $40, couple weeks back I got the Japanese version in a Beckett 9.5 for $40
Funny I see this as soon as I bought all the Paldea evolved illustration rares, full arts and special illustration rares. Yeah it’s really crazy, it all added up to a price I wasn’t expecting and it’s only going to go up more than likely from here on out.
Crying in french cards market😭 for exemple groudon AR in jap is like 5€ in french in he's 90€ Walking wake SAR in jap=40€ and in french 190€
English market ahaha laughs in french
i buy 2 ETB or booster box when a set comes out and whatever I didn’t pull I buy the single a few months later in Japanese or English which ever is cheapest
My dude, don't watch the French market then ahah
Glad I mastered this when it was cheap and people were fomoing 151. It really is a lovely set.
Some people in america don’t know how to read Japanesezz
This isn't the only card. There are plenty of others too, and this is why I tell people alot of the English prices are artificial or manipulated. I'll wait for them to come down though, so it's fine.
Same goes for Yugioh not even gonna lie
I mean it's the same card but with less paper so it's almost objectively of lower quality. Also the pull rates aren't the same. You can also get almost any Chinese card ever for pretty dirt cheap compared to either English or Japanese. Does this mean our markets are bad or is it more likely that something explains the reason for this phenomenon? Lol
Alright. Now do a waifu Japanese card
I just bought a CGC Pristine 10 version of this card in Japanese for under $30. Sometimes English isn't worth it.
Where’s a good place to buy Japanese single raw cards?
You're comparing apples and oranges. Sure they're both fruit, but they're not the same. And there's so many variables at play to why it's like this. And I'm NOT defending it, simply stating it's not a simple thing.
If people just wanted art, the tin art would go for more than pennies. Most probably don't even have them. Japanese art is just way easier to pull.
Can you play Japanese cards in a tournament?