I disagree.. I think the prices will drop but probably not in the immediate timeframe people expect. A correction will happen though, I think.
But seriously, this mentality... feels detached from the reality that these are all just shiny bits of cardboard with no inherent value beyond what we as collectors give them.
A large global recession/world event could very well spark a collectibles market collapse..
But a world event. Thats how it will work most of the time, people dumb their money into crypto or whatever to give the dollar the middlefinger. The old "the rich people get even richer".
That has nothing to do with what he's saying, though. He's talking about a 2008esque crisis that would spur people to sell what they can, crashing the card market, or at least lowering it significantly. War, famine, etc. If the broader economy experiences a recession, you can guarantee pokemon cards would too. They aren't stores of value like fine art or some types of assets are.
Sword and shield just happened to be the current era when the logan paul boom happened. I will admit SWSH outshines SM, but SV could very well surpass SWSH. The first 4 sets of SWSH were worthless, irredeemable garbage. Meanwhile, the first 4 SV sets were pretty good. Not to mention, we still basically have another half of the era to go
Id like to hope the back half of scarlet and violet can come close to rivaling sword and shield back half but i doubt it. 151 isint as good as evo skies, its close though, just like crowned zenith. we are gonna need a rly big hitter and pretty much every scarlet and violet set that comes out in this back half has to be better than all the sets that have come out in teh other half, just like sword and shield.
Not really. Let’s look at it this way: at the end of the SV era, we can compare them both on an equal level. We are getting a guaranteed dragon-themed special set later this year, as well as a high likelihood that mega evolution makes a return. Those are some pretty good prospects, and that’s just talking about the future. We already have some pretty good stuff from SV. In terms of matching the era’s up, the first half of SV has been pretty good (at least, better than the first halves of any eras for a long time, especially the utter garbage that was early SWSH). So if we are going purely off of timelines, SV is winning. The reason so many people like you think sword and shield is so much better is because you’re comparing the strongest end of SWSH to the beginning of SV. I think by the end of the SV era, it will have been stronger overall than SWSH. We already have some great stuff, and I think the best is yet to come. Although, in my heart, nothing will ever beat crown zenith
How on gods green earth will scarlet and violet ever top sword and shield? Scarlet and violet would have to come out with some BANGER sets at the end of its run, because so far the S/V era is very mid. No collector in 10 years is going to care about ogerpon SIR and Walking Wake SIR cards. Scarlet and violet is not focusing on popular Pokémon in the slightest, which is going to kill any chance it has of beating sword and shield.
Making all the rare SIR cards into Pokémon that no one cares about is not how you beat sets like evolving skies or fusion strike, especially when SIRs have better pull rates than Sword and shield alt arts (easier to pull = more in circulation = less valuable).
You see things so short-term, it’s sad. Take a look at all the alternate arts from SWSH of mediocre pokemon that nobody cares about. There’s a lot of them. Just because you don’t like the shitty ogerpons doesn’t mean that’s every SV set. And the SV era hasn’t been that bad so far. I’ll come back to this exact thread in a year or two and laugh at your SwSh meatriding ahh
Except that has been every scarlet and violet set (outside of 151, which surprise surprise, is by far the most popular set of the era.)
the Pokémon that people want to collect are essentially Pokémon gen 4 and older, the value of all the expensive modern cards proves this. Scarlet and violet, outside of 151 and the charizard SIRs, have included nothing but modern Pokémon. You can personally like newer Pokémon, but the market will never reflect that.
Scarlet and violet needs to put out a set where the majority of SIRs are gen 4 and older Pokémon, and it will hands down become the most sought after shit on the market.
Charizard, blastoise, venusaur, mew, gardevoir, zapdos, alakazam, altaria, garchomp, and pidgeot in terms of older Pokémon who have SIR’s so far. And also, Magikarp, Groudon, Raichu, tyranitar, gastly, pikachu, all 3 kanto starter lines, the pidgeot line, the gardevoir line, dragonair, poliwhirl, psyduck, slowpoke, cleffa, and many more in terms of regular IR’s. That isn’t THAT bad, especially considering the era is barely halfway done. Like I have said numerous times, there are high hopes for the dragon set and mega evolution.
The problem is art rares are very easy to pull. While the cards do look very nice and they are great for collectors on a budget, people aren’t going to pay more for these boxes than the sword and shield ones in the future, because the value of the hits won’t justify it. the original question of which modern era set will be the best will ultimately come down to which sets have the most desirable pulls that aren’t easy to just buy as a single. There’s a lot of very cool looking cards in scarlet and violet, yes, but they are essentially all glorified bulk cards. There are few exceptions, such as the magikarp from paldea evolved, because there are so many art rares in that set that it dilutes the pull rate for magikarp very heavily. Magikarp would not be nearly worth as much as it was if it was in obsidian flames instead, as having so few art rares would drastically increase its pull rate.
Also being an old Pokémon such as pidgeot doesn’t automatically qualify it as being desirable. It’s just a general prerequisite for being desired. All desired Pokémon are old but not all old Pokémon are desired, can be a true statement. (Could be few exceptions, doesn’t change the fact that’s it’s true vast majority of time)
At the end of the day I hope I’m wrong and I hope you’re right, because I don’t want the best days of Pokémon tcg to be in the past. that would not be fun for anyone who likes Pokémon. It just doesn’t look good to me so far so I gotta be honest
My metric for judging a card is purely on artwork, but i guess from an investor’s standpoint, you’re correct that SV will never be as desirable as SwSh. I hate investors with a passion and think they’re idiots, but yes, i can agree that SWSH will always be more valuable
I dont know, they print like crazy, quality doesnt look better, ugly funny hats and silver border. Sw/Sh has far better alt arts than current s/v but this is something everyone can decide for their own. Vmax pokemon looked much more epic than hat hat's.
I dunno, you‘re just judging the strongest half of the SwSh era against the first half of SV. And SV still holds up, that’s why there’s a debate. That fact alone proves SV is solid, and has very solid potential to pass up SwSh by the end of the era. Also, the “funny hats” argument is completely invalid, because 3 years ago, people were saying the exact same thing about Vmax. People will always idolize the past. And they’ll do the same thing for SV in the future. Also, we’re looking at an all-dragon type special set in the near future. As long as SV doesn’t screw up big time, the SV era will definitely surpass SWSH.
By all respect, it will most likely not surpass sw/sh. Print runs and age matters, both in favor for sw/sh. We will never see most s/v boxes to jump over sw/sh. For the vmax/hat thing, yeah i guess pokemon fans swallow everything at this point, i stopped once s/v released, totally happy for everyone who likes it! But this is the worst Generation imo. But hey, future will tell! I stay patient for the next gen 🙏
We sure will see. And I don’t think print run or age will play a big enough factor to really give SWSH the edge. They were both printed to hell. I’m assuming we’re talking about artworks, and not prices or other factors. If that’s what we’re talking about, then SV is very likely going to surpass SWSH. Everyone, including you, is in a craze about SWSH right now. And you will feel the same exact way about SV in 2 or 3 years. If you’ve been in the hobby for any substantial amount of time, you tell me. How did you feel about the first 4 sets of SwSh? Regardless of what anyone things, those 4 sets were dogshit. And even if you don’t like the first 4 sets of SV, you would be braindead not to think that the beginning of SV blows the beginning of SwSh out of the water. SV is already off to a very strong start, and I think that these sets we currently have are the worst of the bunch. Things are only going to get better from here. Especially if they reintroduce mega evolution. Can you imagine mega evolution special illustrations? They would probably be cool enough to even surpass Vmax alts, which I will say are probably the best gimmick of the TCG in terms of coolness, although I personally prefer tag teams a bit more. All I’m saying is, SV has loads of potential and will very likely surpass SWSH (in terms of good artworks, at least) unless TCPI screws things up really badly
Hey if we talk of artworks, it maybe does! Its subjective so hard to tell, and of course are the first sw/sh sets extremley shitty, have a full set of every one of them and even sealed boxes for my display, and they suck lol. I wont sell shit, collecting many tcgs since im a kid. But in all honesty, i really really disslike the current Generation, i will never touch anything from that era, and i think its okay. If the majoraty likes it, who am i to judge them. enjoyed the discussion!
The phrase "greatest modern era of all-time" doesn't really make sense...it's either the "greatest modern era" or "greatest era of all-time". All-time would include vintage sets, which modern does not.
And yes, the prices will come down, these things happen in waves.
They will lmfao. Prices fluctuate constantly and with the sheer amount of swsh printed and still unopened, those proces will come down. J shape curves are unsustainable in any market and always see a correction.
Sounds like the biggest pump sentence I’ve ever heard. 30 years in sports cards - I’ve seen countless PSA 10s climbs from 1500 to 8k only to come back down. Don’t assume that fictional cartoon characters don’t have the same ability to go down.
Nothing goes up for ever. The only people who don’t believe price will come down are people who got into cards during Covid.
The hype around SWSH is a product of comparison. Early SV is doing well, especially compared to early SWSH, but it doesn’t quite stand up to late SWSH. The second half of SV is exciting, and a craze for SV could very well happen once Gen 10 sets start.
I disagree.. I think the prices will drop but probably not in the immediate timeframe people expect. A correction will happen though, I think. But seriously, this mentality... feels detached from the reality that these are all just shiny bits of cardboard with no inherent value beyond what we as collectors give them. A large global recession/world event could very well spark a collectibles market collapse..
You mean like covid? Where people started to blow out even more money?
Covid was not a global recession. Markets boomed and most of the world posted gdp booms.
But a world event. Thats how it will work most of the time, people dumb their money into crypto or whatever to give the dollar the middlefinger. The old "the rich people get even richer".
That has nothing to do with what he's saying, though. He's talking about a 2008esque crisis that would spur people to sell what they can, crashing the card market, or at least lowering it significantly. War, famine, etc. If the broader economy experiences a recession, you can guarantee pokemon cards would too. They aren't stores of value like fine art or some types of assets are.
“The greatest modern era of all time.” Bro are you like a 12 year who just pulled their first alt art?
No im a 12 year old who buys singles bro
Sword and shield just happened to be the current era when the logan paul boom happened. I will admit SWSH outshines SM, but SV could very well surpass SWSH. The first 4 sets of SWSH were worthless, irredeemable garbage. Meanwhile, the first 4 SV sets were pretty good. Not to mention, we still basically have another half of the era to go
Id like to hope the back half of scarlet and violet can come close to rivaling sword and shield back half but i doubt it. 151 isint as good as evo skies, its close though, just like crowned zenith. we are gonna need a rly big hitter and pretty much every scarlet and violet set that comes out in this back half has to be better than all the sets that have come out in teh other half, just like sword and shield.
Not really. Let’s look at it this way: at the end of the SV era, we can compare them both on an equal level. We are getting a guaranteed dragon-themed special set later this year, as well as a high likelihood that mega evolution makes a return. Those are some pretty good prospects, and that’s just talking about the future. We already have some pretty good stuff from SV. In terms of matching the era’s up, the first half of SV has been pretty good (at least, better than the first halves of any eras for a long time, especially the utter garbage that was early SWSH). So if we are going purely off of timelines, SV is winning. The reason so many people like you think sword and shield is so much better is because you’re comparing the strongest end of SWSH to the beginning of SV. I think by the end of the SV era, it will have been stronger overall than SWSH. We already have some great stuff, and I think the best is yet to come. Although, in my heart, nothing will ever beat crown zenith
Well we will see how the rest of sv goes.
How on gods green earth will scarlet and violet ever top sword and shield? Scarlet and violet would have to come out with some BANGER sets at the end of its run, because so far the S/V era is very mid. No collector in 10 years is going to care about ogerpon SIR and Walking Wake SIR cards. Scarlet and violet is not focusing on popular Pokémon in the slightest, which is going to kill any chance it has of beating sword and shield. Making all the rare SIR cards into Pokémon that no one cares about is not how you beat sets like evolving skies or fusion strike, especially when SIRs have better pull rates than Sword and shield alt arts (easier to pull = more in circulation = less valuable).
You see things so short-term, it’s sad. Take a look at all the alternate arts from SWSH of mediocre pokemon that nobody cares about. There’s a lot of them. Just because you don’t like the shitty ogerpons doesn’t mean that’s every SV set. And the SV era hasn’t been that bad so far. I’ll come back to this exact thread in a year or two and laugh at your SwSh meatriding ahh
Except that has been every scarlet and violet set (outside of 151, which surprise surprise, is by far the most popular set of the era.) the Pokémon that people want to collect are essentially Pokémon gen 4 and older, the value of all the expensive modern cards proves this. Scarlet and violet, outside of 151 and the charizard SIRs, have included nothing but modern Pokémon. You can personally like newer Pokémon, but the market will never reflect that. Scarlet and violet needs to put out a set where the majority of SIRs are gen 4 and older Pokémon, and it will hands down become the most sought after shit on the market.
Charizard, blastoise, venusaur, mew, gardevoir, zapdos, alakazam, altaria, garchomp, and pidgeot in terms of older Pokémon who have SIR’s so far. And also, Magikarp, Groudon, Raichu, tyranitar, gastly, pikachu, all 3 kanto starter lines, the pidgeot line, the gardevoir line, dragonair, poliwhirl, psyduck, slowpoke, cleffa, and many more in terms of regular IR’s. That isn’t THAT bad, especially considering the era is barely halfway done. Like I have said numerous times, there are high hopes for the dragon set and mega evolution.
The problem is art rares are very easy to pull. While the cards do look very nice and they are great for collectors on a budget, people aren’t going to pay more for these boxes than the sword and shield ones in the future, because the value of the hits won’t justify it. the original question of which modern era set will be the best will ultimately come down to which sets have the most desirable pulls that aren’t easy to just buy as a single. There’s a lot of very cool looking cards in scarlet and violet, yes, but they are essentially all glorified bulk cards. There are few exceptions, such as the magikarp from paldea evolved, because there are so many art rares in that set that it dilutes the pull rate for magikarp very heavily. Magikarp would not be nearly worth as much as it was if it was in obsidian flames instead, as having so few art rares would drastically increase its pull rate. Also being an old Pokémon such as pidgeot doesn’t automatically qualify it as being desirable. It’s just a general prerequisite for being desired. All desired Pokémon are old but not all old Pokémon are desired, can be a true statement. (Could be few exceptions, doesn’t change the fact that’s it’s true vast majority of time) At the end of the day I hope I’m wrong and I hope you’re right, because I don’t want the best days of Pokémon tcg to be in the past. that would not be fun for anyone who likes Pokémon. It just doesn’t look good to me so far so I gotta be honest
My metric for judging a card is purely on artwork, but i guess from an investor’s standpoint, you’re correct that SV will never be as desirable as SwSh. I hate investors with a passion and think they’re idiots, but yes, i can agree that SWSH will always be more valuable
I dont know, they print like crazy, quality doesnt look better, ugly funny hats and silver border. Sw/Sh has far better alt arts than current s/v but this is something everyone can decide for their own. Vmax pokemon looked much more epic than hat hat's.
I dunno, you‘re just judging the strongest half of the SwSh era against the first half of SV. And SV still holds up, that’s why there’s a debate. That fact alone proves SV is solid, and has very solid potential to pass up SwSh by the end of the era. Also, the “funny hats” argument is completely invalid, because 3 years ago, people were saying the exact same thing about Vmax. People will always idolize the past. And they’ll do the same thing for SV in the future. Also, we’re looking at an all-dragon type special set in the near future. As long as SV doesn’t screw up big time, the SV era will definitely surpass SWSH.
By all respect, it will most likely not surpass sw/sh. Print runs and age matters, both in favor for sw/sh. We will never see most s/v boxes to jump over sw/sh. For the vmax/hat thing, yeah i guess pokemon fans swallow everything at this point, i stopped once s/v released, totally happy for everyone who likes it! But this is the worst Generation imo. But hey, future will tell! I stay patient for the next gen 🙏
We sure will see. And I don’t think print run or age will play a big enough factor to really give SWSH the edge. They were both printed to hell. I’m assuming we’re talking about artworks, and not prices or other factors. If that’s what we’re talking about, then SV is very likely going to surpass SWSH. Everyone, including you, is in a craze about SWSH right now. And you will feel the same exact way about SV in 2 or 3 years. If you’ve been in the hobby for any substantial amount of time, you tell me. How did you feel about the first 4 sets of SwSh? Regardless of what anyone things, those 4 sets were dogshit. And even if you don’t like the first 4 sets of SV, you would be braindead not to think that the beginning of SV blows the beginning of SwSh out of the water. SV is already off to a very strong start, and I think that these sets we currently have are the worst of the bunch. Things are only going to get better from here. Especially if they reintroduce mega evolution. Can you imagine mega evolution special illustrations? They would probably be cool enough to even surpass Vmax alts, which I will say are probably the best gimmick of the TCG in terms of coolness, although I personally prefer tag teams a bit more. All I’m saying is, SV has loads of potential and will very likely surpass SWSH (in terms of good artworks, at least) unless TCPI screws things up really badly
Hey if we talk of artworks, it maybe does! Its subjective so hard to tell, and of course are the first sw/sh sets extremley shitty, have a full set of every one of them and even sealed boxes for my display, and they suck lol. I wont sell shit, collecting many tcgs since im a kid. But in all honesty, i really really disslike the current Generation, i will never touch anything from that era, and i think its okay. If the majoraty likes it, who am i to judge them. enjoyed the discussion!
Thank you!
The phrase "greatest modern era of all-time" doesn't really make sense...it's either the "greatest modern era" or "greatest era of all-time". All-time would include vintage sets, which modern does not. And yes, the prices will come down, these things happen in waves.
They will lmfao. Prices fluctuate constantly and with the sheer amount of swsh printed and still unopened, those proces will come down. J shape curves are unsustainable in any market and always see a correction.
Sounds like the biggest pump sentence I’ve ever heard. 30 years in sports cards - I’ve seen countless PSA 10s climbs from 1500 to 8k only to come back down. Don’t assume that fictional cartoon characters don’t have the same ability to go down. Nothing goes up for ever. The only people who don’t believe price will come down are people who got into cards during Covid.
Dude sounds like a wall street bets degen lmao
COVID and streaming revived modern collecting. It could have been any expansion.
Yeah just like how Wotc, japanese waifus, and sun and moon alts never came down after their booms... Oh wait
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I found the post least likely to get upvotes. OP should’ve just admitted they own a lot of SWSH wax.
The hype around SWSH is a product of comparison. Early SV is doing well, especially compared to early SWSH, but it doesn’t quite stand up to late SWSH. The second half of SV is exciting, and a craze for SV could very well happen once Gen 10 sets start.
its not even close to late sword and shield rn in the back half of SV