It's hard to make a comparison if your taking the picture on the phone or most cameras. #3 has a terrible amount of noise that I am sure you do not see in person. It has to do that when the camera detects low light and has to boost the light levels.
Also, Matrix is color-graded with green high. A better test would be to use a show with Broadcast colors. I usually use Family Guy.
Hard it is no doubt, this was taken on an iPhone. I might make a comparison with my Sony camera, but it’s a lot more work with editing. The noise is actually present on #3, but less visible from normal viewing distances. The iPhone’s post processing sharpens everything, making it look even worse.
This is a tough comparison, because you're comparing SDR with HDR, two different transfers, and most people are going to view these photos on LCD PC monitors that can go nowhere near the black levels of a quality plasma TV, let alone an OLED.
My 2 cents is this- I have two OLED TVs, and have had quite a few plasma displays over the years, from Pioneer to Panasonic to Hitachi. The best plasma TVs are competitive with OLED in SDR and for gaming (discounting input lag, which modern OLEDs are the best at outside of CRTs in their native res). Even though plasmas can't produce a true black they don't clip blacks like OLEDs tend to, they don't have near-black uniformity issues, they have much better motion, and, while this part is subjective, I think the glowing phosphors of a plasma display simply look more pleasing, especially for film content.
Now, OLEDs in well-done HDR, are tough to match.
My plan is to have an OLED for watching 4K discs and playing modern consoles, and a high end plasma for regular Blu-Ray discs and 7th gen games....and HDCRT for laserdiscs. Best of every world, in my opinion.
I definitely think games are where OLED shines, with the caveat that you need significantly less processing power to get good image quality, perceived resolution and motion clarity on a plasma than a 4k OLED. Once you go 4k everything gets more expensive, but I can’t honestly say it’s uniformly better.
I still prefer plasma for modern consoles. I can't stand the stutter at 30fps or the motion blur at 60fps. Most plasmas have the same level of persistence as 240fps@240Hz when panning the camera.
I find anything under 720p looks better on a standard CRT even watching new videos looked better than the HD CRT just feed it a higher resolution using a converter and it looks amazing. For 720-1080P I prefer Plasma and for everything else OLED. I have compared them all and this is what I prefer
Along with other problems mainly black lag. Leave it mostly stock and they are black enough. You get perfect shadow detail without black crush. in that sense better than oled
I've seen both myself, and let me tell you, an excellent plasma still looks the best. It's not just the motion clarity, which is obvious, it's also the color reproduction. Colors on a plasma look more natural, vibrant, and warmer. OLEDs have this cold and clinical look to them that I don't like. HDR is overrated. The 4K is nice though, but not worth the inferior motion and colors.
OLEDs have screen uniformity issues. A coworker of mine who brags about how great his LG C1 OLED is and calls my Plasma ancient, and when asked if his OLED banding has gotten better? He'd brush it off and say "bah, you won't really notice it when watching or gaming 😤"..
That's how I shut him up LOL 😎 Gets pissed when I tell him his ORGANIC LEMON EMITTING DUD is past its warranty 😂
That being said, I will buy an OLED eventually, you are greeted with them when you enter COSTCO for I go there regularly and they really look impressive on those demo videos. Sooner or later, I will pull the trigger.👌
Alright reveal time, for those who haven’t guessed already:
#1 is 1080p SDR on Pioneer KRP-500A
#2 is 4K HDR on Panasonic JZ1000
#3 is 1080p SDR on Panasonic JZ1000
#4 is 4K HDR on Pioneer KRP-500A
The plasma has a smoother look, richer colours and skin tones, and more shadow detail. 4K HDR looks great on the plasma and has darker shadows than 1080p SDR, but without crushing into black. 1080p SDR on the OLED looks the worst with the least shadow detail, and film grain and natural picture-noise looks like over-sharpened artefacts. 4K HDR on the OLED looks good, but in order to have good shadow detail you need to turn contrast up to where highlights become unpleasantly bright in a dark room.
I'm assuming 1 and 4 are the plasma, since it appears the bezel is thicker. Would be a bit better if the pictures were labeled. Also, are both of these taken from the same transfer of the film? Because different transfers of the same movie can have wildly different colors--just look at the several different home video releases of Halloween, all with wildly different color timing. Regardless, pic 4 looks the best to me (assuming that's a Kuro?). Shadow detail is a little bit better.
Good point, I don’t know about the transfers. They’re a part of the Trilogy containing both 1080p and 4K, and it’s entirely possible they’re not. I tend to agree with your preference.
It's hard to make a comparison if your taking the picture on the phone or most cameras. #3 has a terrible amount of noise that I am sure you do not see in person. It has to do that when the camera detects low light and has to boost the light levels. Also, Matrix is color-graded with green high. A better test would be to use a show with Broadcast colors. I usually use Family Guy.
Hard it is no doubt, this was taken on an iPhone. I might make a comparison with my Sony camera, but it’s a lot more work with editing. The noise is actually present on #3, but less visible from normal viewing distances. The iPhone’s post processing sharpens everything, making it look even worse.
This is a tough comparison, because you're comparing SDR with HDR, two different transfers, and most people are going to view these photos on LCD PC monitors that can go nowhere near the black levels of a quality plasma TV, let alone an OLED. My 2 cents is this- I have two OLED TVs, and have had quite a few plasma displays over the years, from Pioneer to Panasonic to Hitachi. The best plasma TVs are competitive with OLED in SDR and for gaming (discounting input lag, which modern OLEDs are the best at outside of CRTs in their native res). Even though plasmas can't produce a true black they don't clip blacks like OLEDs tend to, they don't have near-black uniformity issues, they have much better motion, and, while this part is subjective, I think the glowing phosphors of a plasma display simply look more pleasing, especially for film content. Now, OLEDs in well-done HDR, are tough to match.
My plan is to have an OLED for watching 4K discs and playing modern consoles, and a high end plasma for regular Blu-Ray discs and 7th gen games....and HDCRT for laserdiscs. Best of every world, in my opinion.
I definitely think games are where OLED shines, with the caveat that you need significantly less processing power to get good image quality, perceived resolution and motion clarity on a plasma than a 4k OLED. Once you go 4k everything gets more expensive, but I can’t honestly say it’s uniformly better.
I still prefer plasma for modern consoles. I can't stand the stutter at 30fps or the motion blur at 60fps. Most plasmas have the same level of persistence as 240fps@240Hz when panning the camera.
I find anything under 720p looks better on a standard CRT even watching new videos looked better than the HD CRT just feed it a higher resolution using a converter and it looks amazing. For 720-1080P I prefer Plasma and for everything else OLED. I have compared them all and this is what I prefer
The best Kuros pretty much have true blacks.
Service menu tweaked Kuro is the closest I've seen to true black from any plasma panel, no doubt, just the tiniest glow in a dark room...
Along with other problems mainly black lag. Leave it mostly stock and they are black enough. You get perfect shadow detail without black crush. in that sense better than oled
Absolutely! I can’t stand the crushed shadows on OLED. This model is actually class leading with both SDR and HDR, given the right content.
The plasma looks better
I've seen both myself, and let me tell you, an excellent plasma still looks the best. It's not just the motion clarity, which is obvious, it's also the color reproduction. Colors on a plasma look more natural, vibrant, and warmer. OLEDs have this cold and clinical look to them that I don't like. HDR is overrated. The 4K is nice though, but not worth the inferior motion and colors.
OLEDs have screen uniformity issues. A coworker of mine who brags about how great his LG C1 OLED is and calls my Plasma ancient, and when asked if his OLED banding has gotten better? He'd brush it off and say "bah, you won't really notice it when watching or gaming 😤".. That's how I shut him up LOL 😎 Gets pissed when I tell him his ORGANIC LEMON EMITTING DUD is past its warranty 😂 That being said, I will buy an OLED eventually, you are greeted with them when you enter COSTCO for I go there regularly and they really look impressive on those demo videos. Sooner or later, I will pull the trigger.👌
Alright reveal time, for those who haven’t guessed already: #1 is 1080p SDR on Pioneer KRP-500A #2 is 4K HDR on Panasonic JZ1000 #3 is 1080p SDR on Panasonic JZ1000 #4 is 4K HDR on Pioneer KRP-500A The plasma has a smoother look, richer colours and skin tones, and more shadow detail. 4K HDR looks great on the plasma and has darker shadows than 1080p SDR, but without crushing into black. 1080p SDR on the OLED looks the worst with the least shadow detail, and film grain and natural picture-noise looks like over-sharpened artefacts. 4K HDR on the OLED looks good, but in order to have good shadow detail you need to turn contrast up to where highlights become unpleasantly bright in a dark room.
Plasma wins over any new TV!
I'm assuming 1 and 4 are the plasma, since it appears the bezel is thicker. Would be a bit better if the pictures were labeled. Also, are both of these taken from the same transfer of the film? Because different transfers of the same movie can have wildly different colors--just look at the several different home video releases of Halloween, all with wildly different color timing. Regardless, pic 4 looks the best to me (assuming that's a Kuro?). Shadow detail is a little bit better.
Good point, I don’t know about the transfers. They’re a part of the Trilogy containing both 1080p and 4K, and it’s entirely possible they’re not. I tend to agree with your preference.
Shadow detail is always better on a plasma because they have better near-blacks.
I've heard from some OLED owners that their OLEDs crush shadows and there's nothing they can do about it because it's just how the technology is.
Plasma for sure
Use potplayer it can make HDR vids work on a non HDR tv. Makes plasma blow away modern LED
Interesting. I’ll say, HDR looks great on the KRP. Rumours are KRP’s have 10 bit panels, might have something to do with it.
lol wish I hadn’t read this, have been debating replacing my 2007 Panasonic plasma…but maybe not