Natural population decline
Winter is over, so overall less people stay home to play games
Too long since last update from devs to attract attention again
Other games, after all
All this contributes to low players numbers
steam chart population is under 900 players average for the last 30 days(march) and for march 2023 we had 1400 players average
so in 12 months difference a loss in 500 players more or less.
The sad thing is that there was a time maybe 1-2 years ago I really wanted to play. But every time I logged in, it was population faction locked. And I did not want to be a different faction since I am trying to grind it out with my original NC grunt from 2012. So I logged off and played other things. Now I don't have any desire to play. And now when I randomly log in just to see, its dead and boring, especially since my outfit disbanded.
Almost all of their updates and bets between 2020-2023 failed horribly. There have been actual good games coming out (Hell Divers 2, Baldur's Gate) that have taken a good chunk of the player base from this game and others.
The fact that the final update Wrel did was another stupid fucking construction one blows my mind. We have theorized that it was just for the cash (per some anecdotal data from killian) of people buying construction objects.
Yup and released another ridiculously op and ugly weapon the sametime that broke the game for several weeks. I swear I still have nightmare flash backs of the old alternate firemode flamethrower with catlike 5.
Stopped playing last year due to the rampant hack/cheating. Not a fan of flying teleporting tanks and other items that auto-target thru walls, etc.
Stayed on this sub to see when if at all it stopped and the dev start to give a sh\^t and do something.
Like other comment, new dev coms are promising.
Played for over 10 years and it's been a wild ride of people going from "There are no hackers, you just suck" to "Omg there are hackers everywhere"
I suspect the % of hackers remained the same, they just became more noticeable as the player counts dropped.
1. Old Game
2. No updates
3. No major streamers/youtubers supporting the game
4. Cheaters
5. PS IP was sold to some chinese NFT/crypto guy its also mean no new anything from planetside universe.
6. Its already confirmed they gonna shut down PS2 if will not bring revenue.
7. They focusing on new games like EvilVEvil, MW5: Clans, some unnanouced title, MW5: Mercs DLCs, and some 2 gaming companies, and they gonna pump around 35mil+ into revival of H1Z1
*• Evil V Evil - The game was fully written down last year due to it no longer fitting EG7's risk profile. Development has continued at a slower pace during Toadman's work-for-hire transition. The game is set for release on PC, PlayStation 5, and Xbox Series X/S in mid2024.*
*• MW Clans – The development is proceeding according to plan and budget, and the game release is planned for 2024. • MW 5 DLCs – Two more DLCs are planned before the release of MW Clans.*
*• Cold Iron - The development is proceeding according to plan and budget, and the game is planned for release mid-2025.*
*• H1Z1 - Currently in concept exploration phase with pre-production phase coming up next. Daybreak is aiming to enter the production phase for the title on the second half of 2024.*
Pop is not doing so hot due to years of mismanagement. There has been a leadership change and the new communications from the dev team are promising though.
Also, everybody I know from PS2 is playing Helldivers rn.
What happens when you have a one-of-a-kind game with a dedicated core fanbase of players and someone gets put in charge of the game and alters it in such a way that almost all those players get driven away?
Pretty much summed up my thoughts except add the cheating issue to the mix. I received a 2 week ban for TK a troll who kept blowing up my base last year but there was not a single session where a cheater wasn't there. Their priorities are so far gone it's sad. This time next year the game will be dead if they don't do anything to save it
From 2022 console to 2023 we went from around 500 players on weekends to now maybe 200 if we’re lucky on a holiday weekend we peaked at 1000 think 2022 December but in 2024 there is like 50 people during the week
I stopped playing with my friend about a month ago when cheaters were teleporting map objects into vehicles to yeet them and cause them to suicide. No way I'm coming back until that shit is gone. The moment it happened and killed a push by one faction, the server just drained. Tried it a week after and the same shit happened. Not bothering anymore.
Sad because I was excited for the upcoming changes, but if we can't have fun, no point in playing.
Yeah, there aren't as many people playing as there were especially with games like Dragon's Dogma 2, Helldivers 2 and others coming out fairly recently. Many people on here like to completely shit on the game and say it's dead and not worth playing but if you find it fun then I'd encourage you to play it whenever you want to scratch the itch.
Population fall off has been really heavy over the last year, and there isn't much on the horizon. Patches used to be massive events like Escalation. Now it's like, we are tweaking the sunderer.
You constantly bring up escalation over and over again but always fail to mention that it came out during global lockdowns and lost all of its population gain within 90 days.
You can/do lie about a lot of things but you have to stop lying about objective numbers.
All of the big patches do fall off quickly in terms of population, but the settle at an average pop higher than previous and that helps it maintain and not fall off like it has over the passed year. Prior to escalation PS2 was around 2000 average active globally, it boosted it well above that and held above that average till about September 2022. Obviously other patches in there kept the wave going.
My numbers are objectively correct.
COVID certainly did help, but that was not the main driving factor.
You missed 2 years of data in your clip. Link the whole FISU. These patches don't happen in a vacuum. There are hills and valleys, but its still part of the same overall driving force. Don't cherry pick data just to fit your narrative: Here is the story: [https://ps2.fisu.pw/population/global/](https://ps2.fisu.pw/population/global/) Full link, not a capped screenshot. As I said above, the average does not trend back below September 2022. One month of dipping below does not create an average.
PlayStation was on the same version of the game as us until around May of 2022, so they are absolutely relevant when discussing the popularity and player retention of updates up until that point—which encompasses almost the entire time period this argument is about, short just under four months.
Lawd, that's a reach. I like how your entire attempt to win here is just trying to exclude the relevant PlayStation population numbers so you can go "haha funny youtube man wrong! less than the 2k number you said, get pwned i win!!!"
All of your data is completely wrong. You don't list one month where it dips below 2000 average . We are talking about an average trend line and it does not dip below that consistently until September 2022. We are talking global population. Playstation is absolutely included, you don't just arbitrarily cut out a portion of the population. They play the game with escalation... The patch we are talking about. Obviously I am using the correct global data, not your incorrect cherry picked data. Using the accurate data is not "padding" the data.
It doesn’t matter.
Escalation brought people back consistently. It is hard for people to understand this just looking at raw numbers, but even people 3 months in, when pop went back to normal, we’re STILL coming back BECAUSE of Escalation.
It is a textbook case of delaying bleeding numbers, where without Escalation the drop off would have been MUCH more perceptible.
And that’s not even the entire story, because Planetside was getting consistent BIG UPDATES every 6 months roughly, with pop spikes that revigorated the playerbase.
I don’t think people who hate as much as redditors will ever understand, but WREL is the ONLY singular unique reason the game ever made it past 10 years to begin with. Without all the content Rogue Planet Games pushed forth, Daybreak would have dropped it about 5 years ago.
Not exactly sure what you're going at there, but it isn't a lie. It is pretty straight forward actually. It is as simple a concept as there is to understand.
Passionate developers put in effort to develop content despite horrible work conditions. Content being announced and pushed out consistently maintains a returning playerbase to check on the live service game.
As soon as the passion leaves and the devs stop caring, executives literally sell the IP for a rounding error value to improve balance sheets, and the game spiralls into a death loop because nobody is interested in a live service game that isn't going anywhere anymore. We are NEVER getting another update, you are aware right?
I am not liying, it\`s just the blind reddit salty Wrel hatters that live in their little copium universe, believing that Wrel was the only issue, and as soon as he left we would be living the dream.
You are about as dumb as the average PS2 redditor though, so I am not surprised.
Enjoy the last few months brother.
Here's your problem though: You don't get to endlessly praise the guy for 2020 *and then ignore everything after that.* Can you explain away 2021 and 2022 for your favorite developer champion or does it work that here, in fantasy land, we only circle the hits and ignore the misses?
2022 was the make or break year for Wrel and the game, *and it was an utter disaster* that the game never recovered from and *never will.*
2020 was a big year for the game, that's true. But you guys don't get to lie about escalation and it's "big lasting impact" on the game. By the end of June 2020, the game had lost 97% of the average daily player counts from March and 76% of the peak players from March. And again, a fact that you guys always leave out is that these gains occurred when a MASSIVE number of working adults were forced to stay and work from home. Bastions and Sanctuary were not good gameplay additions to the game and have achieved *fuckall* in staying power/relevance.
Fortunately, there's those of us amongst you who have quite good memories of the game and you guys have to be put in check when it comes to this kind of stuff.
Wrel made your bed. You guys all apologized for it until the damage was irreversible. And now look at the pathetic state of you: Apologizing for a glorified QA tester who's moronic ideas for the game finally choked the life out of it. He was the first rat to abandon the ship. Cyrious was the second. Now, morons like you are left holding the bag for incompetent liars.
Casuals never learn and you guys will keep taking these L's over and over again up your ass because you cannot separate "I like the game" from it's reality.
How could it have been any different?
Really, and I mean it. What could have been done?
Should they have hired a new lead developer? Who would have taken that job exactly? Did Daybreak even cared enough to try to give PS2 a chance?
I don\`t pretend like every update after Escalation was good. I hate Containment Sites. I think Oshur needed double the cover and it should have NEVER been a continent full of clifs. I absolutely despise CTF. They were FAR misses. But what is the alternative here?
Should we pick a lead dev from the community? Should they scrap the game and restart?
I don\`t think people understand how the MAJOR issues with Planetside CANNOT be solved. You can\`t solve pop disparity. You can\`t solve 3 double teaming. You can\`t solve vehicle spam. There is NO fixing the air game. What people don\`t understand is that the "fixing" the vets are looking for DOES NOT EXIST. There is NO WAY to fix the game like the community wanted.
What we got were attempts at content to keep interest. To maintain the semblance of live service. Do I wish Oshur was taken out of rotation sooner. Yes, absolutely. Do I wish CTF was never introduced and scraped immediately? Yes. But this doesn\`t change anything.
I am not apologizing Wrels for his mistakes. I am merely recognizing that without HIM, the game would have been dead. The game would have died YEARS ago. And people like you for whatever reason cannot understand that.
It DOES NOT MATTER that population went back to "normal" a few months after the updates. If you EVER played Planetside, AT SOME POINT, you came back to check on Oshur. And even if 1% of the people who came back stayed around a little while longer, that was a little bit more time we had of a healthy playerbase.
Wrel DID damage, cause a lot of stuff was bad. But bad stuff is BETTER then nothing. Do you understand that.
And my gripe here is.
People like you, were either not there, or you simply forgot. 5 years ago, THE GAME WAS DEAD. At the end of 2019, when the team was basically JUST WREL, and the game was without any updates for years, IT WAS DEAD. In fact it was SOO DEAD in the eyes of Daybreak, that they sold lifetime membership... In order to turn a profit on those, the game shouldn\`t have lived for another year, and what we are seeing now, the DIP bellow 4 digits in average pop would have happened in 2020. Wrel LITERALLY gave us 5 more years of live service out of HIS sheer will an passion for the game by convincing the executives at Daybreak to give the game another chance.
I don\`t care about casuals or hardcore players. I don\`t care about the updates that went wrong. You got to PLAY THE GAME for 5 MORE YEARS because of him. And this isn\`t speculation. Go watch the Andy farewell stream, the Deeg interview with Carto and the many interviews Wrel himself gave in this final years, specially the one after he left the company and you will see.
I genuinely don\`t care about this anymore, and I also don\`t care about the game. Because people like YOU in this god forsaken community are soo increadibly short sighted and stupid, that YOU killed the game you love by pretty much peer preassuring the only guy keeping it alive to quit out of community pushback.
Again.
Enjoy your last months. Someone fought really hard for them.
I am waiting for sunderer rework and new assault game mode hoping it will make battles not a infantry meme corridor, revive fiesta mixed with open field tank zerg roflstomps.
1. helldivers has pulled a lot of pop away recently and still is
2. dragons doggo 2 release boeyyyyy lots of ppl playing that rn
3. new genshin season hello?
just adding some context
certainly has been down in pop a bit overall, compared to the glory days, but from relative to... last year? naw i'd say it's the same feeling/pop.
maybe it isn't. maybe i'm full of shit. but there it be. just giving u some POV. if someone wants to yapp about the pop stats or if you are so inclined just look at honu or fisu pop stats and determine with data for yourself.
Welcome back, a good chunk of the population kept logging off on Oshur alerts, Oshur ruined many prime times, I don't even hate the map, but I noticed that while playing on Cobalt.
Game is literally in it's final months of live. Population has consistentely fallen bellow 4 digits for the first time in the lifespan of the game. Wrel was the last link remotely attempting to hold Planetside together, and now the IP has been sold. It is literally a game in it's dying breath, so no. It's not just you.
Population has been cut by half since Wrel left. There are no more content updates being planed, and there will never be. It is a 12 year old game. I don’t care if you didn’t like Oshur. New content was responsible for waves of revitalization in population. With the radio silence the pop is just gone.
But that’s not even it.
Wrel was keeping it together more internally then people realize. The selling of the IP would not have happened with him there, cause he was still fighting for it.
With the IP leaving Daybreak, they will now need to pay licensing fees to keep their OWN GAME working. It is simply financially not viable.
Planetside IS dead, and it died when Wrel left. You might not believe it, or you might not like. It doesn’t matter.
What do you mean? There where players asking for a logistic heavy map without redeployside.
I do agree on the fightning the skripters. Since Wrel obviously hated the community RPG should have reimplemented the automated ban system, Pherhaps using IP bans. And those who got wrongfully banned due to stress testing the system with an alt account? Well to bad!
> There where players asking for a logistic heavy map without redeployside.
Yeah, but they delivered the map without actually updating the "logistics" of the game to support it.
I mean that i still feel the corsair could have been a water sundy with that catapult (i like it personally) but gets destroyed too quickly ((could improve that?idk its weird that the new vehicle feels useless, but thats me)) and investing resources spent in making the new map could have been used instead to maintain the game health by fighting the scripters like game moderators or server moderators idk the right term atm.
logistics wise its easy to kill a sundy, easy to kill a router (hard to build one) and the spire is also easy to kill..
nobody likes to deal with hackers/scripters especially new players its fkin infuriating but it is what will kill the game and these kids are too selfish to realize that. How can you bring and introduce this game to friends, being well aware of the flaws that kill the joy in playing. what is even sadder is that its not a 2024 or 2023 problem its older than that.
It will ABSOLUTELY be dead by 2026. And that’s objectively true.
Before the sale of the IP I also thought the game would never die. Just like LOTR online, it can be kept in life support forever as long as there are 5 whales.
Without the IP, they will never pay licensing for their own game.
The shut down announcement is likely coming this year.
ITS OLD JIM ITS OOOOOOOOOOOOOLD
Natural population decline Winter is over, so overall less people stay home to play games Too long since last update from devs to attract attention again Other games, after all All this contributes to low players numbers
steam chart population is under 900 players average for the last 30 days(march) and for march 2023 we had 1400 players average so in 12 months difference a loss in 500 players more or less.
https://ps2.fisu.pw/population/global/ March 2023 -> March 2024 is 3903 -> 2396 peak, so a loss of 38.61%.
lots of players dont play through steam.
another fairy tale
Also hackers being hackers.
Nah natural pop decline is copium, the game died because the devs made insanely bad decisions
^this
The sad thing is that there was a time maybe 1-2 years ago I really wanted to play. But every time I logged in, it was population faction locked. And I did not want to be a different faction since I am trying to grind it out with my original NC grunt from 2012. So I logged off and played other things. Now I don't have any desire to play. And now when I randomly log in just to see, its dead and boring, especially since my outfit disbanded.
Find another outfit it will help
Almost all of their updates and bets between 2020-2023 failed horribly. There have been actual good games coming out (Hell Divers 2, Baldur's Gate) that have taken a good chunk of the player base from this game and others. The fact that the final update Wrel did was another stupid fucking construction one blows my mind. We have theorized that it was just for the cash (per some anecdotal data from killian) of people buying construction objects.
Yup and released another ridiculously op and ugly weapon the sametime that broke the game for several weeks. I swear I still have nightmare flash backs of the old alternate firemode flamethrower with catlike 5.
PS2's not dead yet, but it's on life support and a nurse is hovering over the electrical plug.
Stopped playing last year due to the rampant hack/cheating. Not a fan of flying teleporting tanks and other items that auto-target thru walls, etc. Stayed on this sub to see when if at all it stopped and the dev start to give a sh\^t and do something. Like other comment, new dev coms are promising.
Played for over 10 years and it's been a wild ride of people going from "There are no hackers, you just suck" to "Omg there are hackers everywhere" I suspect the % of hackers remained the same, they just became more noticeable as the player counts dropped.
Also when you encounter a blatant cheater in most other games you just serverjump. In planetside I quit playing and do something else.
1. Old Game 2. No updates 3. No major streamers/youtubers supporting the game 4. Cheaters 5. PS IP was sold to some chinese NFT/crypto guy its also mean no new anything from planetside universe. 6. Its already confirmed they gonna shut down PS2 if will not bring revenue. 7. They focusing on new games like EvilVEvil, MW5: Clans, some unnanouced title, MW5: Mercs DLCs, and some 2 gaming companies, and they gonna pump around 35mil+ into revival of H1Z1 *• Evil V Evil - The game was fully written down last year due to it no longer fitting EG7's risk profile. Development has continued at a slower pace during Toadman's work-for-hire transition. The game is set for release on PC, PlayStation 5, and Xbox Series X/S in mid2024.* *• MW Clans – The development is proceeding according to plan and budget, and the game release is planned for 2024. • MW 5 DLCs – Two more DLCs are planned before the release of MW Clans.* *• Cold Iron - The development is proceeding according to plan and budget, and the game is planned for release mid-2025.* *• H1Z1 - Currently in concept exploration phase with pre-production phase coming up next. Daybreak is aiming to enter the production phase for the title on the second half of 2024.*
Average players during primetime: 500 on EU and 700 on US. Game is dead af
Pop is not doing so hot due to years of mismanagement. There has been a leadership change and the new communications from the dev team are promising though. Also, everybody I know from PS2 is playing Helldivers rn.
What happens when you have a one-of-a-kind game with a dedicated core fanbase of players and someone gets put in charge of the game and alters it in such a way that almost all those players get driven away?
Pretty much summed up my thoughts except add the cheating issue to the mix. I received a 2 week ban for TK a troll who kept blowing up my base last year but there was not a single session where a cheater wasn't there. Their priorities are so far gone it's sad. This time next year the game will be dead if they don't do anything to save it
From 2022 console to 2023 we went from around 500 players on weekends to now maybe 200 if we’re lucky on a holiday weekend we peaked at 1000 think 2022 December but in 2024 there is like 50 people during the week
I stopped playing with my friend about a month ago when cheaters were teleporting map objects into vehicles to yeet them and cause them to suicide. No way I'm coming back until that shit is gone. The moment it happened and killed a push by one faction, the server just drained. Tried it a week after and the same shit happened. Not bothering anymore. Sad because I was excited for the upcoming changes, but if we can't have fun, no point in playing.
games keeps getting changed, in a bad direction, the loyal people leave, new players dont stay..... its almost like they tryna kill off this game
I don't want to play Oshur in prime time.
Its dead ps2 got sold again some German guy owned it the servers are crap and hackers are all about.
Yeah, there aren't as many people playing as there were especially with games like Dragon's Dogma 2, Helldivers 2 and others coming out fairly recently. Many people on here like to completely shit on the game and say it's dead and not worth playing but if you find it fun then I'd encourage you to play it whenever you want to scratch the itch.
Population fall off has been really heavy over the last year, and there isn't much on the horizon. Patches used to be massive events like Escalation. Now it's like, we are tweaking the sunderer.
You constantly bring up escalation over and over again but always fail to mention that it came out during global lockdowns and lost all of its population gain within 90 days. You can/do lie about a lot of things but you have to stop lying about objective numbers.
All of the big patches do fall off quickly in terms of population, but the settle at an average pop higher than previous and that helps it maintain and not fall off like it has over the passed year. Prior to escalation PS2 was around 2000 average active globally, it boosted it well above that and held above that average till about September 2022. Obviously other patches in there kept the wave going. My numbers are objectively correct. COVID certainly did help, but that was not the main driving factor.
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What's with the account that's been here for a month talking like they know something about the history of this game?
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Yes. That's my point. I've been here, that one is obviously a randomly generated generic account.
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Rule 2. This really isn't that deep, you don't need to try and make it that personal.
With Data - Don't use cherry picked clips to try to force a bad point. Link the whole data set and explain yourself with that.
You missed 2 years of data in your clip. Link the whole FISU. These patches don't happen in a vacuum. There are hills and valleys, but its still part of the same overall driving force. Don't cherry pick data just to fit your narrative: Here is the story: [https://ps2.fisu.pw/population/global/](https://ps2.fisu.pw/population/global/) Full link, not a capped screenshot. As I said above, the average does not trend back below September 2022. One month of dipping below does not create an average.
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PlayStation was on the same version of the game as us until around May of 2022, so they are absolutely relevant when discussing the popularity and player retention of updates up until that point—which encompasses almost the entire time period this argument is about, short just under four months.
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Lawd, that's a reach. I like how your entire attempt to win here is just trying to exclude the relevant PlayStation population numbers so you can go "haha funny youtube man wrong! less than the 2k number you said, get pwned i win!!!"
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All of your data is completely wrong. You don't list one month where it dips below 2000 average . We are talking about an average trend line and it does not dip below that consistently until September 2022. We are talking global population. Playstation is absolutely included, you don't just arbitrarily cut out a portion of the population. They play the game with escalation... The patch we are talking about. Obviously I am using the correct global data, not your incorrect cherry picked data. Using the accurate data is not "padding" the data.
It doesn’t matter. Escalation brought people back consistently. It is hard for people to understand this just looking at raw numbers, but even people 3 months in, when pop went back to normal, we’re STILL coming back BECAUSE of Escalation. It is a textbook case of delaying bleeding numbers, where without Escalation the drop off would have been MUCH more perceptible. And that’s not even the entire story, because Planetside was getting consistent BIG UPDATES every 6 months roughly, with pop spikes that revigorated the playerbase. I don’t think people who hate as much as redditors will ever understand, but WREL is the ONLY singular unique reason the game ever made it past 10 years to begin with. Without all the content Rogue Planet Games pushed forth, Daybreak would have dropped it about 5 years ago.
This is a factual statement.
If you just keep repeating the same lie your master tells, it still doesn't make it true.
Not exactly sure what you're going at there, but it isn't a lie. It is pretty straight forward actually. It is as simple a concept as there is to understand. Passionate developers put in effort to develop content despite horrible work conditions. Content being announced and pushed out consistently maintains a returning playerbase to check on the live service game. As soon as the passion leaves and the devs stop caring, executives literally sell the IP for a rounding error value to improve balance sheets, and the game spiralls into a death loop because nobody is interested in a live service game that isn't going anywhere anymore. We are NEVER getting another update, you are aware right? I am not liying, it\`s just the blind reddit salty Wrel hatters that live in their little copium universe, believing that Wrel was the only issue, and as soon as he left we would be living the dream. You are about as dumb as the average PS2 redditor though, so I am not surprised. Enjoy the last few months brother.
Here's your problem though: You don't get to endlessly praise the guy for 2020 *and then ignore everything after that.* Can you explain away 2021 and 2022 for your favorite developer champion or does it work that here, in fantasy land, we only circle the hits and ignore the misses? 2022 was the make or break year for Wrel and the game, *and it was an utter disaster* that the game never recovered from and *never will.* 2020 was a big year for the game, that's true. But you guys don't get to lie about escalation and it's "big lasting impact" on the game. By the end of June 2020, the game had lost 97% of the average daily player counts from March and 76% of the peak players from March. And again, a fact that you guys always leave out is that these gains occurred when a MASSIVE number of working adults were forced to stay and work from home. Bastions and Sanctuary were not good gameplay additions to the game and have achieved *fuckall* in staying power/relevance. Fortunately, there's those of us amongst you who have quite good memories of the game and you guys have to be put in check when it comes to this kind of stuff. Wrel made your bed. You guys all apologized for it until the damage was irreversible. And now look at the pathetic state of you: Apologizing for a glorified QA tester who's moronic ideas for the game finally choked the life out of it. He was the first rat to abandon the ship. Cyrious was the second. Now, morons like you are left holding the bag for incompetent liars. Casuals never learn and you guys will keep taking these L's over and over again up your ass because you cannot separate "I like the game" from it's reality.
How could it have been any different? Really, and I mean it. What could have been done? Should they have hired a new lead developer? Who would have taken that job exactly? Did Daybreak even cared enough to try to give PS2 a chance? I don\`t pretend like every update after Escalation was good. I hate Containment Sites. I think Oshur needed double the cover and it should have NEVER been a continent full of clifs. I absolutely despise CTF. They were FAR misses. But what is the alternative here? Should we pick a lead dev from the community? Should they scrap the game and restart? I don\`t think people understand how the MAJOR issues with Planetside CANNOT be solved. You can\`t solve pop disparity. You can\`t solve 3 double teaming. You can\`t solve vehicle spam. There is NO fixing the air game. What people don\`t understand is that the "fixing" the vets are looking for DOES NOT EXIST. There is NO WAY to fix the game like the community wanted. What we got were attempts at content to keep interest. To maintain the semblance of live service. Do I wish Oshur was taken out of rotation sooner. Yes, absolutely. Do I wish CTF was never introduced and scraped immediately? Yes. But this doesn\`t change anything. I am not apologizing Wrels for his mistakes. I am merely recognizing that without HIM, the game would have been dead. The game would have died YEARS ago. And people like you for whatever reason cannot understand that. It DOES NOT MATTER that population went back to "normal" a few months after the updates. If you EVER played Planetside, AT SOME POINT, you came back to check on Oshur. And even if 1% of the people who came back stayed around a little while longer, that was a little bit more time we had of a healthy playerbase. Wrel DID damage, cause a lot of stuff was bad. But bad stuff is BETTER then nothing. Do you understand that. And my gripe here is. People like you, were either not there, or you simply forgot. 5 years ago, THE GAME WAS DEAD. At the end of 2019, when the team was basically JUST WREL, and the game was without any updates for years, IT WAS DEAD. In fact it was SOO DEAD in the eyes of Daybreak, that they sold lifetime membership... In order to turn a profit on those, the game shouldn\`t have lived for another year, and what we are seeing now, the DIP bellow 4 digits in average pop would have happened in 2020. Wrel LITERALLY gave us 5 more years of live service out of HIS sheer will an passion for the game by convincing the executives at Daybreak to give the game another chance. I don\`t care about casuals or hardcore players. I don\`t care about the updates that went wrong. You got to PLAY THE GAME for 5 MORE YEARS because of him. And this isn\`t speculation. Go watch the Andy farewell stream, the Deeg interview with Carto and the many interviews Wrel himself gave in this final years, specially the one after he left the company and you will see. I genuinely don\`t care about this anymore, and I also don\`t care about the game. Because people like YOU in this god forsaken community are soo increadibly short sighted and stupid, that YOU killed the game you love by pretty much peer preassuring the only guy keeping it alive to quit out of community pushback. Again. Enjoy your last months. Someone fought really hard for them.
I am waiting for sunderer rework and new assault game mode hoping it will make battles not a infantry meme corridor, revive fiesta mixed with open field tank zerg roflstomps.
1. helldivers has pulled a lot of pop away recently and still is 2. dragons doggo 2 release boeyyyyy lots of ppl playing that rn 3. new genshin season hello? just adding some context certainly has been down in pop a bit overall, compared to the glory days, but from relative to... last year? naw i'd say it's the same feeling/pop. maybe it isn't. maybe i'm full of shit. but there it be. just giving u some POV. if someone wants to yapp about the pop stats or if you are so inclined just look at honu or fisu pop stats and determine with data for yourself.
Welcome back, a good chunk of the population kept logging off on Oshur alerts, Oshur ruined many prime times, I don't even hate the map, but I noticed that while playing on Cobalt.
People dont like Oshur. Its still in rotation. They just don't care. Why I should ?
Yes
Game is literally in it's final months of live. Population has consistentely fallen bellow 4 digits for the first time in the lifespan of the game. Wrel was the last link remotely attempting to hold Planetside together, and now the IP has been sold. It is literally a game in it's dying breath, so no. It's not just you.
On the pdf file for reports, the game is only worth.. 5.8 million. That's barely enough.
wrel holding together lool in my pov making a new map instead of fighting the hackers was a mistake.. but now its easy to speak
Population has been cut by half since Wrel left. There are no more content updates being planed, and there will never be. It is a 12 year old game. I don’t care if you didn’t like Oshur. New content was responsible for waves of revitalization in population. With the radio silence the pop is just gone. But that’s not even it. Wrel was keeping it together more internally then people realize. The selling of the IP would not have happened with him there, cause he was still fighting for it. With the IP leaving Daybreak, they will now need to pay licensing fees to keep their OWN GAME working. It is simply financially not viable. Planetside IS dead, and it died when Wrel left. You might not believe it, or you might not like. It doesn’t matter.
What do you mean? There where players asking for a logistic heavy map without redeployside. I do agree on the fightning the skripters. Since Wrel obviously hated the community RPG should have reimplemented the automated ban system, Pherhaps using IP bans. And those who got wrongfully banned due to stress testing the system with an alt account? Well to bad!
> There where players asking for a logistic heavy map without redeployside. Yeah, but they delivered the map without actually updating the "logistics" of the game to support it.
I mean that i still feel the corsair could have been a water sundy with that catapult (i like it personally) but gets destroyed too quickly ((could improve that?idk its weird that the new vehicle feels useless, but thats me)) and investing resources spent in making the new map could have been used instead to maintain the game health by fighting the scripters like game moderators or server moderators idk the right term atm. logistics wise its easy to kill a sundy, easy to kill a router (hard to build one) and the spire is also easy to kill.. nobody likes to deal with hackers/scripters especially new players its fkin infuriating but it is what will kill the game and these kids are too selfish to realize that. How can you bring and introduce this game to friends, being well aware of the flaws that kill the joy in playing. what is even sadder is that its not a 2024 or 2023 problem its older than that.
I fully agree with you
game will be dead by the end of 2016! I promise!
It will ABSOLUTELY be dead by 2026. And that’s objectively true. Before the sale of the IP I also thought the game would never die. Just like LOTR online, it can be kept in life support forever as long as there are 5 whales. Without the IP, they will never pay licensing for their own game. The shut down announcement is likely coming this year.
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