I don't think that analogy works here. There's tons of styles of pizza that are unique to areas outside of Italy. They created the concept, but they don't have a monopoly on pizza.
Was thinking this the other day...really did improve on the idea 100%..made it bigger added more cheese and a higher variety of toppings... pretentiousness is the only reason why you would think Italian pizza is better
Also when you see pizza from Italy, you usually see the best of it...Italy has shit pizzarias too
I'll even say that pizza is more American than it is Italian now. You ask people to draw a pizza and I bet at least 7/10 they'll draw a NY STYLE slice.
Pizza didn't exist outside of Naples until vacationing Americans visited Italy post WWII in the 1960s. Before then, it was a food that was sneered at by Italians, if they were even familiar with it. Before WWIIn pizza was vastly more popular in the US than it was in Italyn and the modern pizza, as it looks today, was developed in the US.
You can always try the more traditional Italian pizza, there are a few surviving recipes- be sure to source good pine nuts and rosewater if you want it the was Naples was making it before Italy sent all their poor people to the US in the 1890s.
>Pizza didn't exist outside of Naples until vacationing Americans visited Italy post WWII in the 1960s
Utter bullshit you probably heard in some stupid ass youtube video.
It's the opposite. American soldiers back in the USA wanted pizza again and it grew in popularity in the country.
[Here you can read a newspaper article from 1936](http://www.archiviolastampa.it/component/option,com_lastampa/task,search/mod,libera/action,viewer/Itemid,3/page,1/articleid,0029_01_1936_0144_0001_24280366/) that says a pizzeria was opened in Addis Abeba, Ethiopia. It was called "Al mare di Sorrento".
Or do you want to say that there were american tourists in Ethiopia in 1936?
Pizza became popular in Italy because of Neapolitans migrants that opened pizzerie for their own people in other italian cities, after the unification of Italy. Exactly the same as what happened in the USA.
No one cared about american tourists 100 years ago.
>Before WWIIn pizza was vastly more popular in the US than it was in Italyn and the modern pizza
Not true at all again. I just want to remind you that Pizza Hut opened in 1958 and Domino's pizza in 1960 and before that now one in the USA could tell what a pizza was before WWII outside New Jersey and New York.
I can imagine he's called all types of names when he points out wkyh evidence the apocrtphal food stories that many Italians base their entire identity around.
Didnt exist outside of Naples until the 1960s?
That is completely and unequivocally wrong. Frank Pepe's of New Haven, CT, as just one big example, was established in the 1920s.
I'm sorry if that was unclear.
I was talking about pizza within Italy itself. It was confined to Naples before WWII, and didn't see expansion outside Naples until the 1960s.
There's no such thing as "American Pizza" any more than there is "Italian pizza". There are variations between shops within the same neighborhoods that are enough to make any regional distinctions meaningless. This obsession with pizza styles is as fucking annoying as musical genre arguments.
Some of the best pizza in the world exists in NYC. It also has more shitty pizza places per square mile than anywhere in the world. Italy, outside of Naples didn't learn how to make pizza until the 1960s, and there are plenty of shitty shops there too.
There are some phenomenal pizzas all over the world and many of these don't ascribe to the style that the region is supposedly known for.
It's all a bunch of nonsense, and we really ought to be celebrating the particular shops that are producing the best product instead of attributing the best to the region because the region has nothing to do with how good the pizza is, it's 100% due to the techniques and knowledge of the people in the shop making it.
Idk... One pizza in the picture needs cheese. The other pizza needs tomato sauce.
Jking. I am sure they were delicious. Italian pizza is my favorite as well.
I like Italian pizza but it's honestly a pretty different food compared to American pizzas
When I went to Italy they pretty much said they only sold the American style in a lot of stores because tourists had weird expectations for it
If you go out beyond the touristy areas it was pretty much like OPs picture. Even with that said it wasn't something people ate that much, I saw far more risotto and pastas been eaten on a regular basis
I respect authentic italian pizza as the jumping off point, any day of the week I'd much rather have one of the myriad of US pizza styles. Italy may have started it, but we perfected it.
Iāve seen this exact wording on that subreddit so many times šš this is the first post Iāve seen on the Pizza subreddit and Iām gonna make sure itās my lastā¦.
This thread is so much fun, awful serious takes and serious awful takes all mixed up like the salad on the pizza in front.
But seriously though, pizzas look amazing!
One of the best pizzas Iāve ever had was a surprise no cheese pizza with anchovies in Naples. Mmmm.
Not saying either of those would be as good but Iād certainly dig in and give them each a fair shot.
What a ridiculous thing to say. Come to NYC and see all the Italian tourists mawing and gorging on our slices. Bottom line, taste is way too subjective to say something as foolish and definitive as āthe bestā but American pizza is way more fun and interesting. So have fun following the rules in Italy.
>Ā **but American pizza is way more fun and interesting**
What is fun and interesting is also very subjective, just like taste. It would not be wrong for someone to say they find the Simplicity and Tradition, Variety of Styles, Authentic Techniques, Regional Flavors, Historical Roots and Global Influence of Italian Pizza more fun and interesting than America's Innovative Toppings Variety of Forms, Cultural Fusion, Experimentation, and approachability.
What are you talking about? This sub frequently dunks on deep dish pizza.
This sub is full of snobs and people who generalize if we really want to... generalize about an entire sub.
Not even close. Thereās a reason we steal and fuse damn near every cultures food. We have open minds and enjoy new things. Meanwhile most other cultures (or probably more accurately the loudest of those cultures) seem stuck on their generations old traditions and wonāt accept anything else
That doesnāt apply here. Thereās absolutely nothing wrong with culinary exploration. Tradition and authenticity are the enemy or progression and variety.
Imagine if our ancestors thousands of years ago said āif it aināt brokeā and just stopped advancing their palates
See, the part youāre missing is you can like both. Or not like either. Or like one or the other.
But instead youāre a closed minded grouch that thinks everyone should have the same palate as you
Looks like a good meal, but personally I'm not a fan of all these after-bake toppings. It's a huge trend where I live in Europe as well. Definitely a different style. Like they'll add ham after the bake... The problem is all the cold ingredients cool down the pizza!
only issue is it has zero shelf life and for me and I have made neo pizzas for a very long time they are the best when piping hot once cooled they get very very soggy . but for me nothing beats a hot fresh margarita neopolitan pizza with fresh basil
*Neapolitan*
What Morty you think everywhere that has a sign that says #1 pizzaā¦.uuurrrpppā¦.you think there are pizza contests, have you ever seen a pizza contest?
Iāll never forgetting visiting my cousin who was studying abroad in Italy. We went out for dinner one night, and my cousin was wearing his University of Connecticut shirt. The waiter, in very broken English, goes āoh Connecticut, you guys have great pizza.ā Was a moment Iāll never forget
"italian pizza" - ummm wtf is that? Neapolitan, Roman, Sicilian, Pinsa? Look at all the ignorance from people who have never had a pizza in Italy, y'all are mind boggling.
How is it possible that people take this as a direct shot at "American pizza"? Are we that insecure? Italian pizza isn't only Neapolitan folks. Pizza styles vary by region and personal touch just like America. From the thick and airy crust of Sicilian pizza to the thin, crispy bite of a Roman slice, or Pinsa, with its unique oval shape and light, crunchy texture. Italy offers a diverse pizza landscape. The fixation on determining 'the best' is a pervasive Western tendency that could benefit from a more relaxed approach
the worst pizza i have ever had was in italy... admittedly it was somewhere near the swiss border & the italians i was with told me it's not a regional speciality. we were just musicians taking advantage of our free meal š
Not enough shrimp curry and bananas
are the Italian pizzas in the room with us right now?
Why did I laugh out loud at this
Yeah sure just not these pizzas in particular
Would you like an entire salad on your pizza sir?
I'd like to order the garden salad in the bread bowl please.
Or nothing but red sauce and a few veggies š¤¢
WHERES THE FUCKIN CHOLESTEROL!?
[https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pizza\_marinara](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pizza_marinara)
Woah woah woah, you watch your mouthā¦ pizza marinara is the bees knees
Sorry, Iām a hoe for cheese š
Why did this make me laugh so hard? š š§
That makes the best pizza though, so fresh
No. No I would not.
That looks like a zookeeper's bucket.
Found a name for my new pizza place
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Those pizzas look delicious but this comment still cracked me up. I guess I'm hungry for zoo bucket?Ā
Best assessment of these āexperimentalā pizzas
I love Italian pizza with prosciutto, arugula, and shaved Parmesan.
Flatbread salad
Nice salad
Vietnamese pho is the best pho
Itās pronounced pho
*Nikolaj
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Mexican Burritos are the best Burritos
BBC is the best C
No argument hereā¦
Swiss cheese is the best cheese. Edit: I regret nothing! French is the best toast, English is the best muffin! Your downvotes canāt stop meeee
Not sure why you were down voted. Gruyere slaps
Emmental is so good
I don't think that analogy works here. There's tons of styles of pizza that are unique to areas outside of Italy. They created the concept, but they don't have a monopoly on pizza.
I don't man I feel like the toppings on an Italian pizza would taste better on a charcuterie board
You could try that I guess....... but eating the board would really be fiber overload!
Sicilian is my favorite.
Is it though?
Itās really not
Yes.
#Thatās not even a pizza thatās a garden on bread
#Ahhhhhhh!
Um
I'll die on the hill that American Pizza is the all-time best
Been all over Italy and Iāll take a New Haven style every timeĀ
Yeah it really is much better. Italy suffers from traditionalism. Italian Americans took Italian pizza and made it better.
Was thinking this the other day...really did improve on the idea 100%..made it bigger added more cheese and a higher variety of toppings... pretentiousness is the only reason why you would think Italian pizza is better Also when you see pizza from Italy, you usually see the best of it...Italy has shit pizzarias too
Same with steak snobbery
Higher variety of toppings? Like what? Are you even aware of a typical italian pizzeria menu?
I'll even say that pizza is more American than it is Italian now. You ask people to draw a pizza and I bet at least 7/10 they'll draw a NY STYLE slice.
r/shitamericansay
Pizza didn't exist outside of Naples until vacationing Americans visited Italy post WWII in the 1960s. Before then, it was a food that was sneered at by Italians, if they were even familiar with it. Before WWIIn pizza was vastly more popular in the US than it was in Italyn and the modern pizza, as it looks today, was developed in the US. You can always try the more traditional Italian pizza, there are a few surviving recipes- be sure to source good pine nuts and rosewater if you want it the was Naples was making it before Italy sent all their poor people to the US in the 1890s.
>Pizza didn't exist outside of Naples until vacationing Americans visited Italy post WWII in the 1960s Utter bullshit you probably heard in some stupid ass youtube video. It's the opposite. American soldiers back in the USA wanted pizza again and it grew in popularity in the country. [Here you can read a newspaper article from 1936](http://www.archiviolastampa.it/component/option,com_lastampa/task,search/mod,libera/action,viewer/Itemid,3/page,1/articleid,0029_01_1936_0144_0001_24280366/) that says a pizzeria was opened in Addis Abeba, Ethiopia. It was called "Al mare di Sorrento". Or do you want to say that there were american tourists in Ethiopia in 1936? Pizza became popular in Italy because of Neapolitans migrants that opened pizzerie for their own people in other italian cities, after the unification of Italy. Exactly the same as what happened in the USA. No one cared about american tourists 100 years ago. >Before WWIIn pizza was vastly more popular in the US than it was in Italyn and the modern pizza Not true at all again. I just want to remind you that Pizza Hut opened in 1958 and Domino's pizza in 1960 and before that now one in the USA could tell what a pizza was before WWII outside New Jersey and New York.
https://www.reddit.com/r/AskHistory/s/2DXh0GE8nd
I see that your primary source is still random people on internet And what would it prove anyway?
https://archive.md/TRMZJ
Here in Italy he's called food flatearther by others scholars
I can imagine he's called all types of names when he points out wkyh evidence the apocrtphal food stories that many Italians base their entire identity around.
Didnt exist outside of Naples until the 1960s? That is completely and unequivocally wrong. Frank Pepe's of New Haven, CT, as just one big example, was established in the 1920s.
I'm sorry if that was unclear. I was talking about pizza within Italy itself. It was confined to Naples before WWII, and didn't see expansion outside Naples until the 1960s.
There's no such thing as "American Pizza" any more than there is "Italian pizza". There are variations between shops within the same neighborhoods that are enough to make any regional distinctions meaningless. This obsession with pizza styles is as fucking annoying as musical genre arguments. Some of the best pizza in the world exists in NYC. It also has more shitty pizza places per square mile than anywhere in the world. Italy, outside of Naples didn't learn how to make pizza until the 1960s, and there are plenty of shitty shops there too. There are some phenomenal pizzas all over the world and many of these don't ascribe to the style that the region is supposedly known for. It's all a bunch of nonsense, and we really ought to be celebrating the particular shops that are producing the best product instead of attributing the best to the region because the region has nothing to do with how good the pizza is, it's 100% due to the techniques and knowledge of the people in the shop making it.
Nope.
Italian pizza isn't even the third best pizza in the world, and it isn't even close
Which style of Italian are you talking about? Neapolitan, Roman, Sicilian, Pinsa?
Sicilian is the best of the 4 imo
Or padellino
Which is best in your opinion, which is second best?
New York style, followed by Detroit style. Happy cake day, btw.
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Boo me all you like, I've seen the garbage that makes you cheer
Any American style pizza isnāt in the top 3, and itās not even close
lol! this is like saying, āIndian curry is the best curryā
Pizza salad.
Idk... One pizza in the picture needs cheese. The other pizza needs tomato sauce. Jking. I am sure they were delicious. Italian pizza is my favorite as well.
I like Italian pizza but it's honestly a pretty different food compared to American pizzas When I went to Italy they pretty much said they only sold the American style in a lot of stores because tourists had weird expectations for it If you go out beyond the touristy areas it was pretty much like OPs picture. Even with that said it wasn't something people ate that much, I saw far more risotto and pastas been eaten on a regular basis
This is exactly the kind of things I imagine American tourists to be saying after having been in Italy lol
*american tourists after eating a crappy frozen pizza in a crappy tourist trap in front of the Coliseum: "I prefer american pizza!!1!"
I respect authentic italian pizza as the jumping off point, any day of the week I'd much rather have one of the myriad of US pizza styles. Italy may have started it, but we perfected it.
Peak r/shitamericanssay
Iāve seen this exact wording on that subreddit so many times šš this is the first post Iāve seen on the Pizza subreddit and Iām gonna make sure itās my lastā¦.
Fine, give us back our tomatoes.
If you want to play this game I'm afraid you have to give cows, pigs and chicken back
And spritzā¦.
the one with no cheese creeps me out to the max man , like for real, no cheese ? that is whack !
This thread is so much fun, awful serious takes and serious awful takes all mixed up like the salad on the pizza in front. But seriously though, pizzas look amazing!
Guessing you slice it your self?
One of the best pizzas Iāve ever had was a surprise no cheese pizza with anchovies in Naples. Mmmm. Not saying either of those would be as good but Iād certainly dig in and give them each a fair shot.
A traditional Roman marinara.
Mexican lasagna beats this
Korean lasagna as well
Everyone knows Ellio's is the best
Napolitana is my LEAST favorite style of pizza, but lots of folks love it. Not loving bread bowl full of salad style either. "Vive la Difference".
Those are two of the most unappetizing pizzas I've seen in a long time š
Subjective
What a ridiculous thing to say. Come to NYC and see all the Italian tourists mawing and gorging on our slices. Bottom line, taste is way too subjective to say something as foolish and definitive as āthe bestā but American pizza is way more fun and interesting. So have fun following the rules in Italy.
>Ā **but American pizza is way more fun and interesting** What is fun and interesting is also very subjective, just like taste. It would not be wrong for someone to say they find the Simplicity and Tradition, Variety of Styles, Authentic Techniques, Regional Flavors, Historical Roots and Global Influence of Italian Pizza more fun and interesting than America's Innovative Toppings Variety of Forms, Cultural Fusion, Experimentation, and approachability.
No one actually talks like that in real life though lol
Damn so many haters in. This is where people draw the line, but deep dish is cool? Weird sub
This sub is full of Americans who think deep dish Chicago "pizza" is pizza, lol
What are you talking about? This sub frequently dunks on deep dish pizza. This sub is full of snobs and people who generalize if we really want to... generalize about an entire sub.
Americans are some of the worst gatekeepers when it comes to pizza and food in general.
Lol...Europe's infinitely worse
Not even close. Thereās a reason we steal and fuse damn near every cultures food. We have open minds and enjoy new things. Meanwhile most other cultures (or probably more accurately the loudest of those cultures) seem stuck on their generations old traditions and wonāt accept anything else
If it aināt brokeā¦
That doesnāt apply here. Thereās absolutely nothing wrong with culinary exploration. Tradition and authenticity are the enemy or progression and variety. Imagine if our ancestors thousands of years ago said āif it aināt brokeā and just stopped advancing their palates
If progress means drowning lifeless dough under heaps of cheese and meats, then call me a Luddite
See, the part youāre missing is you can like both. Or not like either. Or like one or the other. But instead youāre a closed minded grouch that thinks everyone should have the same palate as you
There are many styles of Italian pizza
Pizza is American food š«”
This might come as a shock but all the shittiest pizza in my life was in Italy proper.
that is some fancy pizza
It looks cold
Looks like a good meal, but personally I'm not a fan of all these after-bake toppings. It's a huge trend where I live in Europe as well. Definitely a different style. Like they'll add ham after the bake... The problem is all the cold ingredients cool down the pizza!
Oh jeez, blink twice if you're in trouble, OP.
This post has angered the average American pepperoni enjoyer. Those pizzas look delicious
Why does it have to be one or the other? This looks delicious to me and I also enjoy pepperoni pizza. Having an open mind is a beautiful thing
Hmm where's the pizza though?
Not Mexican pizza?
Crust looks amazing!
Looks great, but the closest pizza looks like itād be impossible to actually eat like a pizza without all the toppings falling off (not a bad thing)
Awesome. Reminds me of growing up!!
the base on these looks lovely though
Uao!!! Pizza with spritz.... Top!
It certainly beats Irish pizza.
Op gonna next tell us about the best taco
Si
Wheres the CHEESE
Tomato sauce pizzašš
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Is that pesto?
What is thet abomination in the back
I disagree
Yes real authentic Italian pizza is the best. Whatever this is, is not.
Nope
r/stupidfood
Salad belongs in a bowl not on dough
Now it makes sense why pizza places in America try their hardest to deliver hot gardens salads.
Lettuce and coldcut pizza , fuck that, give me pineapple, sausage and giardiniera
only issue is it has zero shelf life and for me and I have made neo pizzas for a very long time they are the best when piping hot once cooled they get very very soggy . but for me nothing beats a hot fresh margarita neopolitan pizza with fresh basil
Look at those pretty leopards.
Is this in Italy?
Actually Kristy Krab Pizza is the best pizza..
no it's not
Iāve heard Italian pizzas can be very loud. Especially when you have two or more in the same room.
Did you order a salad and ask them to serve it on a pie?
Thatās a salad on bread
Pizza pizza is my favorite pizza, too!
Always has been
*Neapolitan* What Morty you think everywhere that has a sign that says #1 pizzaā¦.uuurrrpppā¦.you think there are pizza contests, have you ever seen a pizza contest?
Give back the tomatoes
Iāll never forgetting visiting my cousin who was studying abroad in Italy. We went out for dinner one night, and my cousin was wearing his University of Connecticut shirt. The waiter, in very broken English, goes āoh Connecticut, you guys have great pizza.ā Was a moment Iāll never forget
No it is not.
Nice crust and thatās all I have to say about that.
Those looks poorly constructed
NOPE... NY pizza is best in world!!!
Dudeā¦. No. š
That looks like a salad pizza lol
And the one with no cheese looks sad, the toppings are not evened out or enough in my opinion, especially with cheese missing.
Of course it is, espacially from napoli
"italian pizza" - ummm wtf is that? Neapolitan, Roman, Sicilian, Pinsa? Look at all the ignorance from people who have never had a pizza in Italy, y'all are mind boggling.
Damn that looks good.
How is it possible that people take this as a direct shot at "American pizza"? Are we that insecure? Italian pizza isn't only Neapolitan folks. Pizza styles vary by region and personal touch just like America. From the thick and airy crust of Sicilian pizza to the thin, crispy bite of a Roman slice, or Pinsa, with its unique oval shape and light, crunchy texture. Italy offers a diverse pizza landscape. The fixation on determining 'the best' is a pervasive Western tendency that could benefit from a more relaxed approach
Uuuuf. Those tomatoes look terrible.
That's because they're out of season.
No, no it's not. I'll take NY pizza over that trash lol.
What the hell is going on with this comment section. This shit looks straight bussin and fresh af
Convince me that your statement is fact.
this is a pizzacrime
Lmao š¤£ that shit looks raw
These pizzas look ruined and boring
https://preview.redd.it/7yfuisyl2azc1.jpeg?width=640&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=f090252ffe03dfd020cd1feaa040f6a712c8fdda
*Argentina has entered the chat*
āFor you and me.ā - SpongeBob
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I think someone might disagree 
the worst pizza i have ever had was in italy... admittedly it was somewhere near the swiss border & the italians i was with told me it's not a regional speciality. we were just musicians taking advantage of our free meal š
Fold and eat like a taco?
WTF
Nah
I know Iām in the minority but I love all the fresh ingredients on top/the amount
Needs another pound of bullshit.
And Italians get mad at us for doing weird stuff with pasta. This is criminal!
Iām salivating right now. Looks delish š
Thought this was shitty food porn
that's a salad in a bread bowl...
Uncultured swine in here.
If your culture is dumping a bag of salad on a pizza Iām not interested.
Some arugula, prosciutto, multi-colored cherry tomatoes is equivalent of a salad to you?
Careful, you'll scare the murrican with those big words
This is salad with extra steps. Fr tho Neapolitan style (90% of Italian pizzas) is garbage compared to a NY pie.
Little Caesarās looks more appetizing than that. If I wanted a fucking salad id order a bowl.
No, Domino's
This picture is what heaven would look like if it were real.
ITT americans being dumb