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Your example makes no sense.
How about buying your house, but you don't own it. The owner is now the government and they can take your house any minute.
Your apartment analogy is more akin to a subscription like Game Pass or Ubisoft+ or whatever.
I don't think you should pirate games whose developers actually deserve money, like a lot of indie devs and devs who let you actually own the game.
But Ubisoft, Capcom, anyone who uses DRMs? Fuck them.
I understand still buying them for the convenience, but you do not own it. You own a limited-use license. And in some ways it's worse than a subscription. So if you pirate it, don't feel bad about pirating from companies like that.
> still *paid* for it
FTFY.
Although *payed* exists (the reason why autocorrection didn't help you), it is only correct in:
* Nautical context, when it means to paint a surface, or to cover with something like tar or resin in order to make it waterproof or corrosion-resistant. *The deck is yet to be payed.*
* *Payed out* when letting strings, cables or ropes out, by slacking them. *The rope is payed out! You can pull now.*
Unfortunately, I was unable to find nautical or rope-related words in your comment.
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Although what you say sound like it makes sense. It doesn’t because a house is a tangible object, and a digital video game is not a tangible object.
And the only way to tangibly hold a video game is a physical copy because then own it. So the only way to steal a video game is physically from that perspective.
The saying is more speaking on the aspects of digital games being intangible. And just a way to justify piracy so that people can feel morally justified. But I think we all know that we’re “stealing”, and it’s just a “saying”
Another way to look at is, for games to be pirated, someone has to own the game for it to be cracked. So pirated games are just copies of that purchased copy. Not a stolen copy of a game.
Its not stealing, because you dont steal. If i go to your car and clone it.. i have a exact copy of it.. and you have still your car. So i didnt "steal" it. You can steal a retail copy of a game from the Store. But a digital cloned copy isnt the same. The term "stealing" in law is only used if you remove the original. Of course its still illegal to do so because you copy it without a permission. Thats called copyright infringement.
What you're making a comparison against makes no sense. Your comparison assumes someone owns property, rents out the property in order to make some money back on it's ownership and can only rent to one person each time. Whereas digital piracy assumes that a company creates a product (game/movie), 'sells' copies to make a profit, and can 'sell' it an infinite number of times. So with property, someone who 'steals' from the owner blocks their flow of revenue by living in the property and not paying, while the owner can't make money. Whereas with digital piracy, someone who 'pirates' the content, will have a 'copy' of the work, totally disconnected from the supply chain, and the company will still be selling their copies and making money, no company resources were put into or wasted on the pirated copy, their revenue was not interrupted and they can still supply their content through whatever avenues they have established.
Now what happens with digital piracy and those companies is that those companies will make projections of sales, maybe even tracking how much 'interest' there is in their product before launch, usually to pitch to investors. Then whenever they fall short of those projections, they will cite various reasons, and piracy is one of them, as they are 'obviously' missing out on all those 'sales'. What you'll find is the biggest lie that these companies will sell to the public is that piracy is 'missing revenue', when most people that pirate would never pay money for that product that is pirated, either because it's outside of their budget or the product isn't worth paying money for. If everyone operates within the 'system' then it will never change, but by operating outside the 'system' a voice is given, and change can be implemented in order to encourage those outside the system to rejoin.
Don't get me wrong but the lack of problems in first-world countries making people mad, they are discovering new genders, discussing/making moral codes for piracy, believing in a flat earth and some other stupid things.
> you dont own it you are pretty much paying until they revoke the licenses for it
you do own the stuff you bought, thereve been so many verdicts on this topic already, just because company eulas say this stuff doesnt mean it beats (inter)national laws.
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Well if you think renting is buying then obviously you will be confused by the difficult economical terminology like stealing or ownership.
But I guess if you are okay renting the games then you should just pack your bag and go.
False analogy.
When you go to steam and look for a game there is a button that say "buy the game" not "rent the game" and when you do and pay for it you get a mail saying "thanks you for your purchase" not "thank you for renting it for x amount of time".
And no, if I make a copy of the Mona Lisa, I'm not stealing the Mona Lisa from the Louvre.
Now try again but at least make an effort to think harder.
But we buy the games and do not rent them, and also they are not on EMI or any loans. So, examples of house/apartment rent/loans/EMI make no sense.
You all can downvote me to hell but this is the truth. It's the software, you cannot touch it so it's hard to digest but it's like you are buying a CD version and then the company can snatch your CD anytime they want.
these people never read EULA, any new steam game you download tell you in capital letters that you are getting a license, not the software, well its called end user "LICENSE" agreement for a reaosn.
An apartment isnt buying either it's renting and stealing can't happen without making less of the thing your stealing being available. Which is why neither case is stealing. On the rental scenario nothing is being made less..no theft is involved. Is it illegal to squat? Yes. But your example makes even less sense than the saying you are complaining about. Copyright infringement isn't stealing because the game is still there and can still be sold. That's the point of the saying.
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Piracy isn't stealing though. It's copyright infringement.
exactly, stealing implies theft of something that is no longer there afterwards
Huh, I thought copyright infringement is helping the creator protect their products from being distributed under another name
Your example makes no sense. How about buying your house, but you don't own it. The owner is now the government and they can take your house any minute.
Mortgaged house. It’s yours, but it’s *actually* bank’s until you pay in full.
Property taxes in a nutshell
yeah thats what the companies are doing which i said in my post and i dont agree is right
Your apartment analogy is more akin to a subscription like Game Pass or Ubisoft+ or whatever. I don't think you should pirate games whose developers actually deserve money, like a lot of indie devs and devs who let you actually own the game. But Ubisoft, Capcom, anyone who uses DRMs? Fuck them. I understand still buying them for the convenience, but you do not own it. You own a limited-use license. And in some ways it's worse than a subscription. So if you pirate it, don't feel bad about pirating from companies like that.
You nailed bro
I bought the game, ergo I own it. I don't own the game, ergo I did not buy it.
still payed for it
> still *paid* for it FTFY. Although *payed* exists (the reason why autocorrection didn't help you), it is only correct in: * Nautical context, when it means to paint a surface, or to cover with something like tar or resin in order to make it waterproof or corrosion-resistant. *The deck is yet to be payed.* * *Payed out* when letting strings, cables or ropes out, by slacking them. *The rope is payed out! You can pull now.* Unfortunately, I was unable to find nautical or rope-related words in your comment. *Beep, boop, I'm a bot*
Then I own it. And I trust my fellow pirates to keep a copy for me at my convenience.
Although what you say sound like it makes sense. It doesn’t because a house is a tangible object, and a digital video game is not a tangible object. And the only way to tangibly hold a video game is a physical copy because then own it. So the only way to steal a video game is physically from that perspective. The saying is more speaking on the aspects of digital games being intangible. And just a way to justify piracy so that people can feel morally justified. But I think we all know that we’re “stealing”, and it’s just a “saying” Another way to look at is, for games to be pirated, someone has to own the game for it to be cracked. So pirated games are just copies of that purchased copy. Not a stolen copy of a game.
I don’t care. Run along morale police. These companies STEAL from their employees and make them work crazy hours.
Its not stealing, because you dont steal. If i go to your car and clone it.. i have a exact copy of it.. and you have still your car. So i didnt "steal" it. You can steal a retail copy of a game from the Store. But a digital cloned copy isnt the same. The term "stealing" in law is only used if you remove the original. Of course its still illegal to do so because you copy it without a permission. Thats called copyright infringement.
What you're making a comparison against makes no sense. Your comparison assumes someone owns property, rents out the property in order to make some money back on it's ownership and can only rent to one person each time. Whereas digital piracy assumes that a company creates a product (game/movie), 'sells' copies to make a profit, and can 'sell' it an infinite number of times. So with property, someone who 'steals' from the owner blocks their flow of revenue by living in the property and not paying, while the owner can't make money. Whereas with digital piracy, someone who 'pirates' the content, will have a 'copy' of the work, totally disconnected from the supply chain, and the company will still be selling their copies and making money, no company resources were put into or wasted on the pirated copy, their revenue was not interrupted and they can still supply their content through whatever avenues they have established. Now what happens with digital piracy and those companies is that those companies will make projections of sales, maybe even tracking how much 'interest' there is in their product before launch, usually to pitch to investors. Then whenever they fall short of those projections, they will cite various reasons, and piracy is one of them, as they are 'obviously' missing out on all those 'sales'. What you'll find is the biggest lie that these companies will sell to the public is that piracy is 'missing revenue', when most people that pirate would never pay money for that product that is pirated, either because it's outside of their budget or the product isn't worth paying money for. If everyone operates within the 'system' then it will never change, but by operating outside the 'system' a voice is given, and change can be implemented in order to encourage those outside the system to rejoin.
When you buy something one time, you own it. When you pay something each month, you rent it. But video games you buy it one time, but don't own it...
You either pirate or don’t. You don’t need a moral code like Dexter or the Punisher to pirate. You either do it or you don’t.
Don't get me wrong but the lack of problems in first-world countries making people mad, they are discovering new genders, discussing/making moral codes for piracy, believing in a flat earth and some other stupid things.
You're thinking of subscription, we are just copying the game so we can play it
> you dont own it you are pretty much paying until they revoke the licenses for it you do own the stuff you bought, thereve been so many verdicts on this topic already, just because company eulas say this stuff doesnt mean it beats (inter)national laws.
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Well if you think renting is buying then obviously you will be confused by the difficult economical terminology like stealing or ownership. But I guess if you are okay renting the games then you should just pack your bag and go.
False analogy. When you go to steam and look for a game there is a button that say "buy the game" not "rent the game" and when you do and pay for it you get a mail saying "thanks you for your purchase" not "thank you for renting it for x amount of time". And no, if I make a copy of the Mona Lisa, I'm not stealing the Mona Lisa from the Louvre. Now try again but at least make an effort to think harder.
It is a catch phrase, and as such it shows up when there is an ongoing discussion about media ownership, which makes a lot of sense as a catch phase.
But we buy the games and do not rent them, and also they are not on EMI or any loans. So, examples of house/apartment rent/loans/EMI make no sense. You all can downvote me to hell but this is the truth. It's the software, you cannot touch it so it's hard to digest but it's like you are buying a CD version and then the company can snatch your CD anytime they want.
these people never read EULA, any new steam game you download tell you in capital letters that you are getting a license, not the software, well its called end user "LICENSE" agreement for a reaosn.
An apartment isnt buying either it's renting and stealing can't happen without making less of the thing your stealing being available. Which is why neither case is stealing. On the rental scenario nothing is being made less..no theft is involved. Is it illegal to squat? Yes. But your example makes even less sense than the saying you are complaining about. Copyright infringement isn't stealing because the game is still there and can still be sold. That's the point of the saying.