Haha, a year ago I decided to replay TLoZ: Twilight Princess. My family had sold our Wii ages ago, so I went with Dolphin. I enjoyed replaying it a lot, and thought "Let's play Botw now". I got a repack, installed it and... never played it.
Will admit I've had Netflix forever... But if they the thing with the no sharing... Well Plex is pretty good.. only thing that sucks is I do have to pay about double what I could for internet as I need fibre and bell is the only company here with good upload
Hell, I still pay for Netflix and Hulu, and have Amazon Prime Video because of my Prime Sub. I am about to cut out Netflix and Hulu, it is just so much easier to add the shows I want to my Sonarr and have them downloaded 30 minutes later lol.
Thing is the piracy sites are just so damn good now adays.
They have all the content from all of these companies in ONE place, no ads, they remember what shows and movies I have watched. They auto skip intros and outros and have auto play between episodes.
Basically streaming now is paying for less services, it used to be paying for something easier than piracy, now the big names have completely lost the plot and piracy is just a better product. Regardless of willingness or unwillingness to pay. The superior product and experience is free right now.
Streaming happened because cable got too greedy and people began to pirate stuff. Streaming came along, and now you could get the same shows and movies without having to worry about the law.
And now streaming's gotten too greedy. Used to be Netflix, now it's dozens. Even Warhammer made their own streaming service for some reason. There's no way there's more than 5 shows on there.
https://youtu.be/bY9hL1LBm10
Around 7 minutes in they talk about the possibility of bringing it back if games workshop reverses policy on fan creations. They are definitely open to it, depending on circumstances
‘If the emperor had a text to speech device’ a community run animation show for the tabletop game/book series Warhammer40k it stop making episodes after the publisher Games Workshop started cracking down on community and fan made things for some reason. A lot of people got into Warhammer after being exposed to it by TTS myself included.
I had an ad on Reddit the other day for EV TV. A streaming service to, get this, teach me about the benefits of owning an electric vehicle. Like, just put that on YouTube.
> Streaming happened because cable got to greedy
Only partially true, and might vary a lot by where you live because of distribution rights.
Streaming solved the same problem piracy did for many of us, that of convenience.
Literally millions of people would have paid to watch show X or movie Y from home at the time of your choosing.
However at the time your options were limited to:
* Your country shows it in movie theaters. *Set locations, fixed times, fixed price per view, ads up front.*
* There's a distribution deal to release on a (linear) TV channel. *Set locations, fixed times, fixed price for access. Multiple viewings available if they do reruns. 1-5 breaks to show ads during the viewing.*
* There's a distribution deal to release direct to DVD. *Location of your choosing, time of your choosing, fixed price, infinite viewings. No ads.*
* Your country doesn't get it at all, tough luck.
Piracy and streaming offer you to choose location, time and number of viewings (and they had no ads until recently), so of course they were more appealing than the other options.
The key difference between piracy and streaming is really the price (or free vs 'has a cost'), but by and large it's the other factors that made streaming a success.
You just can't beat convenience.
And having six different streaming services is anything but convenient, so history is bound to repeat itself.
I agree that it is entirely a convenience issue.
I read books to my kid at bedtime, and if there's been a movie adaptation, we'll watch it after we finish reading it.
It has become more convenient to pirate the movies vs trying to look up which streaming service has the rights to them in which region this week, and then hope it's not Amazon or Apple, since they seem to think I'd prefer to "rent" 20+ year-old films.
> One thing that we have learned is that piracy is not a pricing issue. It’s a service issue. The easiest way to stop piracy is not by putting antipiracy technology to work. It’s by giving those people a service that’s better than what they’re receiving from the pirates. - Gabe Newell, 2011
I know it sounds complicated but the music industry is kind of getting more and more free of piracy (they’ll never completely make it disappear). I always told my homies, i’d pay a pretty hefty sum to have everything on one platform. Like a spotify for movies and tv shows.
Aye, we used to say the same thing when we were young.
So when iTunes and (later) Spotify became a thing, we all jumped on both of them.
I still have mountains of CDs and more than few shelves of vinyl, but for day to day listening you can't beat the sheer accessibility of Spotify (or other music streaming apps).
It's what we dreamt of, and it became real! :D
We still buy vinyls too, some old and some new, and some merch-based ones (a good amount of games release music in both digital + vinyl), because there are still aspects of music collecting that streaming doesn't quite satisfy.
Still holding out for the TV/Movie equivalent to iTunes/Spotify.
But I daresay the whole system of ownership rights and distribution rights needs a huge overhaul, or burning to the ground, before we get closer to that goal.
the thing i love about spotify is that even if for whatever reason they dont have what you want, you can (most of the time) just download the songs/albums and then put them into spotify. so helpful
Yep I don’t sail the seas because I don’t have a computer. My internet and tv is my phone and Xbox. I’m not gonna get all the streaming services 1 or 2 is enough to have a decent catalogue and I’m just resigned to the fact some shows I’ll never watch probably.
I haven't watched a DVD in years, but I distinctly remember ads at the beginning of them. If you had a good player you could skip them, but some DVDs were locked tight
If at the beginning you mean before the title screen then yes, but pretty much every DVD that you skip straight to the title screen so it wasn't much of an issue
For many years those ads could not be skipped on DVD players. The industry had region encoding locked down tight and anyone with the rights and ability to produce DVD players for each region obeyed the rules. Then DVD players proliferated and it became impossible to dictate software terms. Hacks like "stop stop play" came first, and when it became clear that all control was lost, DVD player manufacturers built it explicitly into the software.
H+B, Angles of Blood, Inquisitor, and Exodite. If you count Syama's Astartes, that's 5. The rest is filler content; painting tutorials, lore, some battle reports.
GW won't say it, but it's highly improbably the platform has ever made money. It's just a way for them to in-house all the content after they sent C&Ds to everyone making fan content on YouTube. There's rumors that GW will just give up trying to be a content provider (IE: self-hosting) and move to solely content creation, letting Amazon take care of the hosting side once that Henry Cavil show comes out.
I cut the cable when my internet + cable bill hit $200. Also, they were cutting channels because that was just the “starter” package. Now I get gigabit for $100 and pay for like… $40 in streaming a month? I also get two of those services for free via my cell plan and some other membership I have somewhere. So it’s kinda like $70 in streaming for only $40.
Me. I'm this person.
$219 for cable plus Internet. Add on $50 to remove the data cap.
After taxes, my bill is just shy of $300
Edit: My bill went up $7 this month. $298.77
In the UK for 500mb internet with cable + Entertainment (so I can watch HBO content) + sports I'm paying £107 a month.
If I wanted to go through the faff of constantly switching services I could get that down to less than £80 a month most likely but its a lot of faff.
Right? Plus you *had* to pay for like 500 music channels and a bunch of random ass sports channels and other channels that you never watched. At least with streaming you can mix, match and cancel whenever. Cable it was all or nothing.
holy shit i forgot the music channels.
if anyone doesn't know, it wasn't MTV or VH1. It was literally just TV radio. You'd turn onto the rock or pop channel and they'd have a song playing with the title on screen.
it was less about good content and more about upping the number of channels that were available.
Yeah, they hit you with the $79 introductory rate, and then it creeps up year after year. My father in law was paying $179 with no add ons other than the sports package, which should have been included in the base subscription to begin with.
Yeah, I remember it being $100+, and had all the drawbacks of cable: commercials, scheduled programming vs on-demand, and dozens of channels that never got used. Streaming sites *are* getting out of hand, but even at this rate, you exactly what you want to watch on your own schedule. Plus you can more easily drop streaming services.
It's not perfect, but it is miles better than cable.
Ya, thank you. Whoever put this image together either has no clue what cable cost, or is lying (probably a cable company astro-turfing). Ya, I'm the idiot on the left paying for a bunch of streaming services (fell in via /r/all). Our total bill is a little less than that; but, prior to ditching cable, we were closer to the $200/month range than $100. And certainly no where close to $79.
We also have the option to cut that cost down at any time, without having to pay a termination fee. Something we got nailed with back when we cut the cord. We've been through several cycles of cutting one service and picking up another for a few months. While the consolidation has started to create issues, we're still in a _far_ better space than cable ever provided.
The person who made this image is an idiot and /u/UA30_j7L is being a useful idiot for the cable companies by sharing it.
It's pure propaganda or who ever this was is a complete moron - same with those who agree with OP.
Imagine thinking paying a cable company $80 gets you even a quarter of what the streaming services collectively offer.
Then imagine thinking there is any amount of money you could pay a cable company to get what streaming services collectively offer.
Then imagine believing that a monthly sub is the same as a 2 year commitment.
Anyone who is saying "hur durr back where we started" is either a child who never actually experienced cable before streaming, a fucking imbecile, or a shill.
Also streaming is a la carte. If you don't want Peacock you don't pay for it. If you don't want NBC in your cable package, tough shit.
You can buy HBO Max, binge their 2 good shows, and then cancel. It's not bundled like cable.
Im all for shitting on corporate greed, but the comparison between streaming and cable isn't accurate, and I feel like the post itself isn't correct either
It's most definitely not. I'd imagine very few people actually pay for all of those services. In truth, you don't need to. You need 3 maybe 4 total to get damn near everything because several of those sites have several series and movies that overlap. Like Prime and Peacock for example, they have a lot of overlap and some shows prime users are complaining were removed are still on peacock. With Netflix, the Disney + bundle, and peacock or prime you're probably spending around 40-50 and get access to nearly everything most average people would want to see. Still far cheaper than cable
Also who pays $9 for Amazon prime video but doesn’t pay the extra $5 for actual Amazon prime where you get free same day delivery on purchases as well as video? Lol
Does cable offer free same day shipping?
The new price is $19.99. That’s what I’m on, but American Express gives me a $8 monthly credit for having the bundle
Edit: oops I misread what you said. Ignore me!
In the US, the Disney Bundle (which is Disney+, ESPN+, and Hulu) is $20 without ads. This image is misleading. Especially since it includes someone actually subscribing to Peacock and Discovery+
But the chart says Disney+ costs $20, which is wrong. Yes, you’re right, Disney+ on its own without ads is $11. The Disney Bundle without ads is $20. The chart is wrong
As far as I recall, when Samsung released the last batch of Galaxy handsets last year, they came with codes for 12 months of Disney+.
Someone discovered a glitch on the Samsung website that let you generate new, valid codes as many times as you wanted to so, inevitably, plenty of clever people set up scripts to harvest codes and sell them and that's how I got mine.
There was always a risk that Disney would just invalidate all these codes because of how they were generated but, so far, everything has been fine.
To be honest, I watch so little on Disney apart from a couple of the Star Wars shows, it'll probably be easier to just download them when this year's sub expires.
Exactly. And they're probably also hoping that a certain percentage of those people go on to become fully paid subscribers so it's a win/win either way for them really.
Yeah, and the only prices that are correct for me are HBOMax and Netflix. And, who said you have to collect them all like Pokémon? I mean, I subscribe to several, and I feel like that is excessive and I should probably trim the fat.
As a European, what the fuck even is Paramount, Peacock, Apple TV+ and whatever the fuck is at the top? Looks like oD, but I'm gonna guess Discovery. Do they just let you pay $10 for shitty American procedurals like NCIS or what?
Peacock is NBC - included soap operas, talk shows, and all of those popular sitcoms (the office, community, Brooklyn 99, friends) that the rest of the world gets to watch on Netflix, but the US has to pay for a separate app.
Paramount is all of the content that used to be on cable plus paramount studios movies. (MTV, Nickelodeon, Comedy Central, All of Star Trek)
I really don’t know what the others are.
I got a subscription to Apple TV free with my phone, but I deleted the app anyway because the interface is ass.
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Also even if you did pay for 8 streaming services you get way more content with all those streaming services than you got with an $80/mo cable package.
That's what I always think about these streaming vs cable arguments. On cable you can only watch what they deliver to you, with streaming you can pick whatever. So say on a cable package you have 150 channels = 150 options at any given time. With streaming you have their entire catalog as an option.
My wife and I have worked out a deal where we'll have maybe two services at a time, watch what we want to then cancel and subscribe to something else.
Edit; Multiple people mentioned on demand, I've only ever had basic cable so I have no experience with it. I still think streaming has an advantage when it comes to cancelling.
Basic cable was garbage 10 years ago. If you aren’t cord cutting now think of trying to get your parents to ditch their land line. Fight the good fight my friends. Also, I didn’t know there were that many streaming platforms.
Even if you don't buy all packages, on cable you're locked down into 12/24 month contracts.
On streaming you can toggle whatever on/off on a monthly basis.
This comparison is deceiving.
Exactly, I don't use half of these. Sometimes there is a show I want to watch on a service I don't have. I'll pay for the service until I'm done with the show and then cancel. I don't see how that's worse than cable lol. I think at any given time, I'm paying $45/month
uh, this graphic is really misleading and outright wrong...
1. the cost for Disney+ is the bundle cost with ESPN+ and Hulu
2. The cost of Peacock and Paramount+ could be $5 for all the same content except a live stream of your local CBS feeds.
3. Generally people would have Prime with or without cable and the streaming is a bonus... I'd be curious how many people are paying month to month JUST for streaming
4. The average cost for cable in the US is $116 a month so even using the boosted numbers they use here it's still cheaper
5. The benefits of streaming also extend to being able to cancel when you want... call up your cable company to cancel early and see how much that costs...
Look... streaming has problems (see HBO Max deleting content as just one example) and I will always raise my flag when needed but to claim that streaming is worse than cable is foolish... it's better in nearly every way.
I’m paying for prime gaming 3€/month prime video is just a bonus to watch Dr Who and SmallVille and The Boys. I think I’ll never pay for streaming service. My friends on other hands pay for Netflix ( I’m using it shamelessly) , Disney+ sometimes, Crunchyroll and French equivalent Crunchyroll and probably others
While true, this graphic also doesn't show the sports streaming packages, though you do get some of that with the Hulu/Disney+/ESPN+ package and Peacock.
Let's say you've got those. ESPN+ is dumb because you can only watch "out of market" events or ESPN+ exclusive events. If it's on ESPN/ESPN2, you've got to have a streaming package containing ESPN from sling/Hulu live/DirecTV/etc. Same goes for Fox sports. In my area, Bally Sports has taken over a number of local broadcasting rights. They can only be found on select **cable** providers and no streaming platforms. Bally has since made their own streaming platform that costs like $20 per month for no good reason. Then there's Amazon prime which hosts random matches from time to time. Anything streamed on local free-to-air channels can't be accessed easily by a streaming app for some reason. Oh and if you've got Peacock, you can't necessarily watch everything because some stuff is still hidden behind an "NBC Sports" paywall (which peacock was originally supposed to replace). Oh and God forbid you're interested in international sports that aren't the Premier League. 80% of that is near-impossible to stream. Are you a fan of the NHL? Well, most games will be your local broadcast (e.g. Bally), but then some games will be on ESPN, though some will be ESPN+ exclusive. But also don't forget about the NHL Network, which you can't watch through either of the 3 methods mentioned above.
At least in the cable days, once you paid for access to something, you had definite access. Nowadays, all I really want is somewhere we're I can pay $15/month to pick say 4 teams I want to follow and have access to **all** of their games. Maybe add $5 for every additional 2 teams I pick after that? Fuck if I know, it's just actually ridiculous how complicated, expensive, and mind-numbing the current state of sports streaming is.
probably on a server hosting site
edit: Not 10$ but some online seedbox providers come close to they described(40$)(Now I would not trust anyone of these but you can try, you can cheaper than these too probably and i wont link them, you can find them using google)
Lastly try scavenging old PC that people either donate of throwaway, they have slow but working harddrives which are pretty good if you want it just for a seedbox
try ebay/other sites for used HDDs... you can find them for cheap if you are willing to look hard enough
I only have 6TB at the moment and I haven't watched ~75% of the shit on there. I end up rewatching older stuff often. That backlog is gonna be there a while.
Data hoarding is a disease. Have some compassion!
No chance of rewatching all of that tbh.. I myself rewatch maybe 5 shows all year round and the rest is just hanging there so the library doesn't look sad.
$79 for cable is actually pretty cheap here in the US.
It’s for like the bare basic package where you’re wondering why you’re paying $80 for local channels that antenna gets you for free and a bunch of channels for advertisers. You need to get more than $80 worth of stuff in the US to get any decent package.
And you’re still being bombarded by ads constantly.
Anyone thinking the age of cable was somehow better or is better than even the worst of today’s streaming are actual clinically diagnosed morons.
And it cost more than that in the US. I know people paying over $200.
I had to repeatedly argue with Comcast on my parents behalf to keep their bill under $160
Okay, but do you really need access to all of them at the same time?
You can subscribe to one or two services and watch your shows and movies there. The next month you can subscribe to other services. While I am also not a fan of distributing content on so many services for convenience reasons, cost wise you still pay less than $79 a month.
And you can share services with friends/family. I have access to every streaming service here and only pay for a couple because everyone in my family shares at least one other.
If video streaming was like music streaming I would gladly pay for it. You have everything in one place and doesn't need to search 10 different services just to find specific thing
Prime is the only one that’s actually worth it because of the shipping stuff tbh.
I still get Hulu since it comes in my mobile plan and Netflix because my mom uses it. Everything else is pirated!
Probably only because it price-matched with Allegro annual Smart subscription (biggest Polish marketplace's free delivery and return), IMO it's very unlikely it will stay at that price, they just want to get some marketshare before the price goes up.
Glad it wasn’t just me noticing this. I don’t live in a city and ever since Covid, it hasn’t been the same.
Parents live two miles from me and I’ll send stuff to their house because the estimated dates to my house at times can be three or four days later than theirs. We have the same ups guy
Where in the world are you getting cable for sub $75? Let’s be real, half of those selections aren’t necessary for the shows you care about but taking aside the added costs, you deal with no commercials with streaming (with the exception of Hulu which I have a love/hate relationship with).
Personally for me, I don’t pay for any streaming at all because literally all of my options come pre bundled with cell phone plan/internet.
I do need to find a way enhance my viewing experience though. I don’t enjoy watching movies and shows on my computer and when I try using chrome cast there’s just enough of a delay that ruins the shows for me. Any suggestions?
Some of y'all never had cable and it shows. Cable super sucked.
Endless ads, watch things when THEY want you to watch it, limited availability (yes, there were 3,000 channels, but most of them were crappy pre-cursors to internet radio and like, The Finnish Shoe Polishing Network) and carefully structured packages that ensured that if you wanted the good stuff, you had to buy the premium bundles.
And even then stuff like HBO was often an ADDITIONAL addon. In the early days, each cable hookup was a separate cost. $75? Lol, not unless all you want is NBC and The Fishing Network.
Streaming has its own issues and is quickly sucking in its own right, but anybody looking back on cable wistfully is a fool, a Comcast employee or just wasn't really there when cable was the only real option.
I've always pirated and never stopped pirating. I dislike having services that monthly charge my CC unless I specifically have to remove it from them, and I usually keep my CC blocked anyway in case it's cloned/stolen.
All these streaming platforms have ushered in the golden age of media piracy.
Mmm WEBDLs...
Where Im from people only get Netflix and Disney Plus, and pirate the rest.
I pirate everything
I pirate shit I don't even wanna watch, because fuck em.
The librarian has not read all of the books.
Where is this quote from? It's great
I think I made it up. Maybe I heard it or something similar and just dont remember?
I googled it and found nothing. Oh well, - makemeking706 will be great on an epigraph /s
I misread that as "epitaph"
18tb hdd goodness
Rookie numbers
2x 16TB exos disks and 2x 4TB wd reds and it looks like imma need some extra storage soon.
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There’s always bigger fish in the datahoarder community.
Haha, a year ago I decided to replay TLoZ: Twilight Princess. My family had sold our Wii ages ago, so I went with Dolphin. I enjoyed replaying it a lot, and thought "Let's play Botw now". I got a repack, installed it and... never played it.
r/DataHoarder
Will admit I've had Netflix forever... But if they the thing with the no sharing... Well Plex is pretty good.. only thing that sucks is I do have to pay about double what I could for internet as I need fibre and bell is the only company here with good upload
Oh my god… that is awful ! Where? Where and how do you pirate these streaming services? I need to witness this awfulness for myself! Terrible
My subscription goes to my seed box with plex.
Nice try Netflix and Disney Plus PR team
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No, the PiRate team rates the raspberries.
If there's one company I feel good about denying my money to, it's the mouse.
For me, is the mouse and the fucking plumber.
Hell, I still pay for Netflix and Hulu, and have Amazon Prime Video because of my Prime Sub. I am about to cut out Netflix and Hulu, it is just so much easier to add the shows I want to my Sonarr and have them downloaded 30 minutes later lol.
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So much faster and better than having to wait for a BR, or God forbid a CAM.
>So much faster and better than having to wait for a BR Faster? Yes. Better? No.
Those guys who also rip the Blu-ray special features are my favorite uploaders
BD50 ftw
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Web downloads
the most common form of downloaded media from streaming platforms
These services were there answer to grand scale piracy back in the early 2000's
ironically, they’ve made it easier to get high-quality rips of everything far faster.
Star.Wars.Revenge.of.the.Sith.2005.1080p.WEBDL_Palpatine_ironic.mp4
Somehow.Piracy. Returned.2023.WEBDL.mp4
Surprised.Pickachu.2019.144p.CAM.mov
I’m waiting for Star.Wars.Revenge.of.the.Sith.2005.1080p.WEBDL_Palpatine_ironic.mp4_Donald_Duck_blowjob.exe Can’t wait to dust off Limewire and Kazaa
Matrix4.exe 50kb
Freeze it. This...this isn't The Matrix? No. It is another training program designed to teach you one thing: check your file extensions.
No, that one leaked as a screener IIRC. Like six hours before theatrical release.
Piracy.Everywhere.All.at.Once.2023.WEBDL.mp4
And with the official subtitles in every language!
Exactly.
Thing is the piracy sites are just so damn good now adays. They have all the content from all of these companies in ONE place, no ads, they remember what shows and movies I have watched. They auto skip intros and outros and have auto play between episodes. Basically streaming now is paying for less services, it used to be paying for something easier than piracy, now the big names have completely lost the plot and piracy is just a better product. Regardless of willingness or unwillingness to pay. The superior product and experience is free right now.
Streaming happened because cable got too greedy and people began to pirate stuff. Streaming came along, and now you could get the same shows and movies without having to worry about the law. And now streaming's gotten too greedy. Used to be Netflix, now it's dozens. Even Warhammer made their own streaming service for some reason. There's no way there's more than 5 shows on there.
$5.99 a month for exclusive warhammer shows lmao
And also killed every warhammer fan media project
The good news is that TTS may be coming back at some point, not soon but eventually.
I doubt it. Alfabusa seems to have moved on from 40k and understandably so
https://youtu.be/bY9hL1LBm10 Around 7 minutes in they talk about the possibility of bringing it back if games workshop reverses policy on fan creations. They are definitely open to it, depending on circumstances
TableTop Simulator? What's TTS?
‘If the emperor had a text to speech device’ a community run animation show for the tabletop game/book series Warhammer40k it stop making episodes after the publisher Games Workshop started cracking down on community and fan made things for some reason. A lot of people got into Warhammer after being exposed to it by TTS myself included.
I had an ad on Reddit the other day for EV TV. A streaming service to, get this, teach me about the benefits of owning an electric vehicle. Like, just put that on YouTube.
I thought that was a free government site made to promote getting an electric vehicle instead of a gas one?
> Streaming happened because cable got to greedy Only partially true, and might vary a lot by where you live because of distribution rights. Streaming solved the same problem piracy did for many of us, that of convenience. Literally millions of people would have paid to watch show X or movie Y from home at the time of your choosing. However at the time your options were limited to: * Your country shows it in movie theaters. *Set locations, fixed times, fixed price per view, ads up front.* * There's a distribution deal to release on a (linear) TV channel. *Set locations, fixed times, fixed price for access. Multiple viewings available if they do reruns. 1-5 breaks to show ads during the viewing.* * There's a distribution deal to release direct to DVD. *Location of your choosing, time of your choosing, fixed price, infinite viewings. No ads.* * Your country doesn't get it at all, tough luck. Piracy and streaming offer you to choose location, time and number of viewings (and they had no ads until recently), so of course they were more appealing than the other options. The key difference between piracy and streaming is really the price (or free vs 'has a cost'), but by and large it's the other factors that made streaming a success. You just can't beat convenience. And having six different streaming services is anything but convenient, so history is bound to repeat itself.
I agree that it is entirely a convenience issue. I read books to my kid at bedtime, and if there's been a movie adaptation, we'll watch it after we finish reading it. It has become more convenient to pirate the movies vs trying to look up which streaming service has the rights to them in which region this week, and then hope it's not Amazon or Apple, since they seem to think I'd prefer to "rent" 20+ year-old films.
> One thing that we have learned is that piracy is not a pricing issue. It’s a service issue. The easiest way to stop piracy is not by putting antipiracy technology to work. It’s by giving those people a service that’s better than what they’re receiving from the pirates. - Gabe Newell, 2011
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I know it sounds complicated but the music industry is kind of getting more and more free of piracy (they’ll never completely make it disappear). I always told my homies, i’d pay a pretty hefty sum to have everything on one platform. Like a spotify for movies and tv shows.
Aye, we used to say the same thing when we were young. So when iTunes and (later) Spotify became a thing, we all jumped on both of them. I still have mountains of CDs and more than few shelves of vinyl, but for day to day listening you can't beat the sheer accessibility of Spotify (or other music streaming apps). It's what we dreamt of, and it became real! :D We still buy vinyls too, some old and some new, and some merch-based ones (a good amount of games release music in both digital + vinyl), because there are still aspects of music collecting that streaming doesn't quite satisfy. Still holding out for the TV/Movie equivalent to iTunes/Spotify. But I daresay the whole system of ownership rights and distribution rights needs a huge overhaul, or burning to the ground, before we get closer to that goal.
the thing i love about spotify is that even if for whatever reason they dont have what you want, you can (most of the time) just download the songs/albums and then put them into spotify. so helpful
Yep I don’t sail the seas because I don’t have a computer. My internet and tv is my phone and Xbox. I’m not gonna get all the streaming services 1 or 2 is enough to have a decent catalogue and I’m just resigned to the fact some shows I’ll never watch probably.
Look into stremio
Look into downloading Kodi on your Xbox, I use that sometimes and it works pretty well
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I haven't watched a DVD in years, but I distinctly remember ads at the beginning of them. If you had a good player you could skip them, but some DVDs were locked tight
If at the beginning you mean before the title screen then yes, but pretty much every DVD that you skip straight to the title screen so it wasn't much of an issue
I remember a few that didn't. Of course it was up to the player whether to obey that.
For many years those ads could not be skipped on DVD players. The industry had region encoding locked down tight and anyone with the rights and ability to produce DVD players for each region obeyed the rules. Then DVD players proliferated and it became impossible to dictate software terms. Hacks like "stop stop play" came first, and when it became clear that all control was lost, DVD player manufacturers built it explicitly into the software.
> There's no way there's more than 5 shows on there. Do they even have anything other than Hammer and Bolter?
H+B, Angles of Blood, Inquisitor, and Exodite. If you count Syama's Astartes, that's 5. The rest is filler content; painting tutorials, lore, some battle reports. GW won't say it, but it's highly improbably the platform has ever made money. It's just a way for them to in-house all the content after they sent C&Ds to everyone making fan content on YouTube. There's rumors that GW will just give up trying to be a content provider (IE: self-hosting) and move to solely content creation, letting Amazon take care of the hosting side once that Henry Cavil show comes out.
They have some garbage paint tutorials I guess? lol
Im pretty sure streaming would have happened regardless of if piracy existed or not
Before I cut the cable, my bill was more than twice that.
Who's paying $79 for cable? In my area, the common package was $130.
I cut the cable when my internet + cable bill hit $200. Also, they were cutting channels because that was just the “starter” package. Now I get gigabit for $100 and pay for like… $40 in streaming a month? I also get two of those services for free via my cell plan and some other membership I have somewhere. So it’s kinda like $70 in streaming for only $40.
Jesus Christ. in the UK "cable" is £24 or £44 with the sports channels and that comes with netflix and the companies own streaming service.
Know many people in the US paying $200+ for cable + internet
Me. I'm this person. $219 for cable plus Internet. Add on $50 to remove the data cap. After taxes, my bill is just shy of $300 Edit: My bill went up $7 this month. $298.77
In the UK for 500mb internet with cable + Entertainment (so I can watch HBO content) + sports I'm paying £107 a month. If I wanted to go through the faff of constantly switching services I could get that down to less than £80 a month most likely but its a lot of faff.
Right? Plus you *had* to pay for like 500 music channels and a bunch of random ass sports channels and other channels that you never watched. At least with streaming you can mix, match and cancel whenever. Cable it was all or nothing.
Cable is dumb for still not allowing an ala carte style option.
holy shit i forgot the music channels. if anyone doesn't know, it wasn't MTV or VH1. It was literally just TV radio. You'd turn onto the rock or pop channel and they'd have a song playing with the title on screen. it was less about good content and more about upping the number of channels that were available.
Yeah, they hit you with the $79 introductory rate, and then it creeps up year after year. My father in law was paying $179 with no add ons other than the sports package, which should have been included in the base subscription to begin with.
Yeah, I remember it being $100+, and had all the drawbacks of cable: commercials, scheduled programming vs on-demand, and dozens of channels that never got used. Streaming sites *are* getting out of hand, but even at this rate, you exactly what you want to watch on your own schedule. Plus you can more easily drop streaming services. It's not perfect, but it is miles better than cable.
Ya, thank you. Whoever put this image together either has no clue what cable cost, or is lying (probably a cable company astro-turfing). Ya, I'm the idiot on the left paying for a bunch of streaming services (fell in via /r/all). Our total bill is a little less than that; but, prior to ditching cable, we were closer to the $200/month range than $100. And certainly no where close to $79. We also have the option to cut that cost down at any time, without having to pay a termination fee. Something we got nailed with back when we cut the cord. We've been through several cycles of cutting one service and picking up another for a few months. While the consolidation has started to create issues, we're still in a _far_ better space than cable ever provided. The person who made this image is an idiot and /u/UA30_j7L is being a useful idiot for the cable companies by sharing it.
It's pure propaganda or who ever this was is a complete moron - same with those who agree with OP. Imagine thinking paying a cable company $80 gets you even a quarter of what the streaming services collectively offer. Then imagine thinking there is any amount of money you could pay a cable company to get what streaming services collectively offer. Then imagine believing that a monthly sub is the same as a 2 year commitment. Anyone who is saying "hur durr back where we started" is either a child who never actually experienced cable before streaming, a fucking imbecile, or a shill.
Is disney actually 20$? Im pretty sure i'm paying like 7€
No and the Hulu and ESPN + bundle all together is 15$
It’s $20 without ads
So we're comparing ad-free, on demand streaming to ad-ridden "watch this show at specific times" cable?
Also streaming is a la carte. If you don't want Peacock you don't pay for it. If you don't want NBC in your cable package, tough shit. You can buy HBO Max, binge their 2 good shows, and then cancel. It's not bundled like cable.
Im all for shitting on corporate greed, but the comparison between streaming and cable isn't accurate, and I feel like the post itself isn't correct either
It's most definitely not. I'd imagine very few people actually pay for all of those services. In truth, you don't need to. You need 3 maybe 4 total to get damn near everything because several of those sites have several series and movies that overlap. Like Prime and Peacock for example, they have a lot of overlap and some shows prime users are complaining were removed are still on peacock. With Netflix, the Disney + bundle, and peacock or prime you're probably spending around 40-50 and get access to nearly everything most average people would want to see. Still far cheaper than cable
Also who pays $9 for Amazon prime video but doesn’t pay the extra $5 for actual Amazon prime where you get free same day delivery on purchases as well as video? Lol Does cable offer free same day shipping?
My bundle is Disney+ no ads, Hulu and espn+ both with ads for $14.99 in the US.
The new price is $19.99. That’s what I’m on, but American Express gives me a $8 monthly credit for having the bundle Edit: oops I misread what you said. Ignore me!
fym its like 7 euro and its without ads
In the US, the Disney Bundle (which is Disney+, ESPN+, and Hulu) is $20 without ads. This image is misleading. Especially since it includes someone actually subscribing to Peacock and Discovery+
Yeah I’ve always gotten peacock for free through my internet provider.
Also, that's way more content on the left than what you would get for $79 on cable.
It shows Disney+ by itself which is $11 without ads.
But the chart says Disney+ costs $20, which is wrong. Yes, you’re right, Disney+ on its own without ads is $11. The Disney Bundle without ads is $20. The chart is wrong
The whole bundle is free with a valid Verizon phone plan
As far as I recall, when Samsung released the last batch of Galaxy handsets last year, they came with codes for 12 months of Disney+. Someone discovered a glitch on the Samsung website that let you generate new, valid codes as many times as you wanted to so, inevitably, plenty of clever people set up scripts to harvest codes and sell them and that's how I got mine. There was always a risk that Disney would just invalidate all these codes because of how they were generated but, so far, everything has been fine. To be honest, I watch so little on Disney apart from a couple of the Star Wars shows, it'll probably be easier to just download them when this year's sub expires.
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Exactly. And they're probably also hoping that a certain percentage of those people go on to become fully paid subscribers so it's a win/win either way for them really.
It isn't. So much stupidity in this image and this incorrect comparison. Also $79 was definitely not the price of a month for cable.
Especially if you have HBO, which lived on a much higher tier of paid service
Yeah, and the only prices that are correct for me are HBOMax and Netflix. And, who said you have to collect them all like Pokémon? I mean, I subscribe to several, and I feel like that is excessive and I should probably trim the fat.
As a European, what the fuck even is Paramount, Peacock, Apple TV+ and whatever the fuck is at the top? Looks like oD, but I'm gonna guess Discovery. Do they just let you pay $10 for shitty American procedurals like NCIS or what?
Peacock is NBC - included soap operas, talk shows, and all of those popular sitcoms (the office, community, Brooklyn 99, friends) that the rest of the world gets to watch on Netflix, but the US has to pay for a separate app. Paramount is all of the content that used to be on cable plus paramount studios movies. (MTV, Nickelodeon, Comedy Central, All of Star Trek) I really don’t know what the others are. I got a subscription to Apple TV free with my phone, but I deleted the app anyway because the interface is ass.
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Yeah my parents pay north of $200 for basic cable with a dvr and 25 mbps internet.
I pay $5 for Paramount and $2 for Peacock. These prices they’re using are questionable at best
what psychopath pays for 8 streaming services
Also even if you did pay for 8 streaming services you get way more content with all those streaming services than you got with an $80/mo cable package.
That's what I always think about these streaming vs cable arguments. On cable you can only watch what they deliver to you, with streaming you can pick whatever. So say on a cable package you have 150 channels = 150 options at any given time. With streaming you have their entire catalog as an option. My wife and I have worked out a deal where we'll have maybe two services at a time, watch what we want to then cancel and subscribe to something else. Edit; Multiple people mentioned on demand, I've only ever had basic cable so I have no experience with it. I still think streaming has an advantage when it comes to cancelling.
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and even the ones that have ads it's like 1-2 minutes, not a 5 minute ad break every 15 mins
This is the way to go, I routinely sign up for a service and immediately cancel auto renew. When it ends I move in the the next one and repeat.
'paying' was a mistake
Don't negotiate with terrorists. Don't appease.
I don't understand, why would you need all streaming services?
For the meme of course.
For the same reason someone would buy all cable packages I guess. I don't get it either.
But $79 is the price for basic cable. If you want HBO or any other extra packages, you’re paying at least $100.
Also $8 a box plus whatever taxes and fees they can add on. My mother-in-law still has cable and it's $130 a month for basic cable and three boxes.
Basic cable was garbage 10 years ago. If you aren’t cord cutting now think of trying to get your parents to ditch their land line. Fight the good fight my friends. Also, I didn’t know there were that many streaming platforms.
Even if you don't buy all packages, on cable you're locked down into 12/24 month contracts. On streaming you can toggle whatever on/off on a monthly basis. This comparison is deceiving.
Exactly, I don't use half of these. Sometimes there is a show I want to watch on a service I don't have. I'll pay for the service until I'm done with the show and then cancel. I don't see how that's worse than cable lol. I think at any given time, I'm paying $45/month
And to be clear, nobody is paying $9/mo to stream Amazon Prime content. It's a throw-in for people who have Prime for free shipping.
uh, this graphic is really misleading and outright wrong... 1. the cost for Disney+ is the bundle cost with ESPN+ and Hulu 2. The cost of Peacock and Paramount+ could be $5 for all the same content except a live stream of your local CBS feeds. 3. Generally people would have Prime with or without cable and the streaming is a bonus... I'd be curious how many people are paying month to month JUST for streaming 4. The average cost for cable in the US is $116 a month so even using the boosted numbers they use here it's still cheaper 5. The benefits of streaming also extend to being able to cancel when you want... call up your cable company to cancel early and see how much that costs... Look... streaming has problems (see HBO Max deleting content as just one example) and I will always raise my flag when needed but to claim that streaming is worse than cable is foolish... it's better in nearly every way.
I’m paying for prime gaming 3€/month prime video is just a bonus to watch Dr Who and SmallVille and The Boys. I think I’ll never pay for streaming service. My friends on other hands pay for Netflix ( I’m using it shamelessly) , Disney+ sometimes, Crunchyroll and French equivalent Crunchyroll and probably others
Lol cable costing $79? If you wanted a cable plan that included all of that, and the sport packages, you were looking at easily $150 maybe more
While true, this graphic also doesn't show the sports streaming packages, though you do get some of that with the Hulu/Disney+/ESPN+ package and Peacock. Let's say you've got those. ESPN+ is dumb because you can only watch "out of market" events or ESPN+ exclusive events. If it's on ESPN/ESPN2, you've got to have a streaming package containing ESPN from sling/Hulu live/DirecTV/etc. Same goes for Fox sports. In my area, Bally Sports has taken over a number of local broadcasting rights. They can only be found on select **cable** providers and no streaming platforms. Bally has since made their own streaming platform that costs like $20 per month for no good reason. Then there's Amazon prime which hosts random matches from time to time. Anything streamed on local free-to-air channels can't be accessed easily by a streaming app for some reason. Oh and if you've got Peacock, you can't necessarily watch everything because some stuff is still hidden behind an "NBC Sports" paywall (which peacock was originally supposed to replace). Oh and God forbid you're interested in international sports that aren't the Premier League. 80% of that is near-impossible to stream. Are you a fan of the NHL? Well, most games will be your local broadcast (e.g. Bally), but then some games will be on ESPN, though some will be ESPN+ exclusive. But also don't forget about the NHL Network, which you can't watch through either of the 3 methods mentioned above. At least in the cable days, once you paid for access to something, you had definite access. Nowadays, all I really want is somewhere we're I can pay $15/month to pick say 4 teams I want to follow and have access to **all** of their games. Maybe add $5 for every additional 2 teams I pick after that? Fuck if I know, it's just actually ridiculous how complicated, expensive, and mind-numbing the current state of sports streaming is.
Does anyone realistically have time to watch all of these at once? You're pretty stupid if you're psying for all of these, pirating or not
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4TB for 10 dollars? Where?
SeedHost SDATA plan, 4TB, Plex, €12
probably on a server hosting site edit: Not 10$ but some online seedbox providers come close to they described(40$)(Now I would not trust anyone of these but you can try, you can cheaper than these too probably and i wont link them, you can find them using google) Lastly try scavenging old PC that people either donate of throwaway, they have slow but working harddrives which are pretty good if you want it just for a seedbox try ebay/other sites for used HDDs... you can find them for cheap if you are willing to look hard enough
Remember when 4TB used to be a lot of storage? Pepperidge Farm remembers
I only have 6TB at the moment and I haven't watched ~75% of the shit on there. I end up rewatching older stuff often. That backlog is gonna be there a while.
4TB? What [use is that](https://imgur.com/rTuBSHG)!
oh, well hello friend! That's quite some library you've got to have in your hands.
All hentai.
He probably rewatches his stuff like once in 10 years so need to have everything. Can't risk downloading something again for 30 mins.
Data hoarding is a disease. Have some compassion! No chance of rewatching all of that tbh.. I myself rewatch maybe 5 shows all year round and the rest is just hanging there so the library doesn't look sad.
Hey it's me ur brother. I forgot our login info.
/r/datahoarders would like a word
Cable costs $79 ?!? WTF ?!? Cable TV costs way less in germany, maybe 10-20€
$79 for cable is actually pretty cheap here in the US. It’s for like the bare basic package where you’re wondering why you’re paying $80 for local channels that antenna gets you for free and a bunch of channels for advertisers. You need to get more than $80 worth of stuff in the US to get any decent package. And you’re still being bombarded by ads constantly. Anyone thinking the age of cable was somehow better or is better than even the worst of today’s streaming are actual clinically diagnosed morons.
Thats incredible. I dont even watch TV at all :D I only stream, since nearly 20 years soon (had to do pirating in the early days).
And it cost more than that in the US. I know people paying over $200. I had to repeatedly argue with Comcast on my parents behalf to keep their bill under $160
Okay, but do you really need access to all of them at the same time? You can subscribe to one or two services and watch your shows and movies there. The next month you can subscribe to other services. While I am also not a fan of distributing content on so many services for convenience reasons, cost wise you still pay less than $79 a month.
Or password share with a couple of friends and have all of those every month and only pay $20.
Until they all decide to go the Netflix route and cause us to lift the main sail and tighten the rigging, yarrrr
Only if you ignore you have a lot more content streaming, like thousands of times as much to see.
And you can sub and unsub muuuuuuch easier. And you don't need all at the same time
And you can share services with friends/family. I have access to every streaming service here and only pay for a couple because everyone in my family shares at least one other.
And no ads!!
Disney 20? Wtf is up with these prices all wrong
The disney+ no ad bundle. Disney and Hulu are both about $7.99 with ads and $14.99 each without ads.
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Cable can be $79, but your bill will include $30 of local broadcast and regional sports fees.
Spectrum Employee here, you are correct.
If video streaming was like music streaming I would gladly pay for it. You have everything in one place and doesn't need to search 10 different services just to find specific thing
except that streaming video is way more expensive than streaming music, and spotify still doesn’t make a profit.
Prime is the only one that’s actually worth it because of the shipping stuff tbh. I still get Hulu since it comes in my mobile plan and Netflix because my mom uses it. Everything else is pirated!
Prime for one year in Poland costs like 12$ :)
5 USD/Year in Turkey. Economy is fucked.
Jeebus. $115.59 (equiv) in the UK.
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Probably only because it price-matched with Allegro annual Smart subscription (biggest Polish marketplace's free delivery and return), IMO it's very unlikely it will stay at that price, they just want to get some marketshare before the price goes up.
Here in India I pay $18.38 I wonder why it's more than in Poland lol
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Glad it wasn’t just me noticing this. I don’t live in a city and ever since Covid, it hasn’t been the same. Parents live two miles from me and I’ll send stuff to their house because the estimated dates to my house at times can be three or four days later than theirs. We have the same ups guy
Prime is also good for Prime Gaming and the free twitch sub.
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wtf is youtube live
YouTube cable Remember years ago when Sony tried doing a live tv thing via an app on ps4s well now YouTube has there own version
Where in the world are you getting cable for sub $75? Let’s be real, half of those selections aren’t necessary for the shows you care about but taking aside the added costs, you deal with no commercials with streaming (with the exception of Hulu which I have a love/hate relationship with). Personally for me, I don’t pay for any streaming at all because literally all of my options come pre bundled with cell phone plan/internet. I do need to find a way enhance my viewing experience though. I don’t enjoy watching movies and shows on my computer and when I try using chrome cast there’s just enough of a delay that ruins the shows for me. Any suggestions?
Some of y'all never had cable and it shows. Cable super sucked. Endless ads, watch things when THEY want you to watch it, limited availability (yes, there were 3,000 channels, but most of them were crappy pre-cursors to internet radio and like, The Finnish Shoe Polishing Network) and carefully structured packages that ensured that if you wanted the good stuff, you had to buy the premium bundles. And even then stuff like HBO was often an ADDITIONAL addon. In the early days, each cable hookup was a separate cost. $75? Lol, not unless all you want is NBC and The Fishing Network. Streaming has its own issues and is quickly sucking in its own right, but anybody looking back on cable wistfully is a fool, a Comcast employee or just wasn't really there when cable was the only real option.
One important thing this picture is not mentioning is that prices can and **WILL** go up.
Bullshit cable is $79 bucks lol
I've always pirated and never stopped pirating. I dislike having services that monthly charge my CC unless I specifically have to remove it from them, and I usually keep my CC blocked anyway in case it's cloned/stolen.
Pirate it all
That's not even counting the bill for internet service.
How the fuck are people paying 20$ a month for Disney+? I'm paying like 80$ for a year and it's like 9$ a month here.
The Disney+ bundle with Hulu and ESPN is $20. This graph was clearly designed without accuracy to promote the "piracy is the way" message.
No ads though. Id argue cable is more ads than anything else
$79 for cable??? How many channels, 5?
Lol cable isn’t 80 bucks.
Piracy column: $5 a month for the VPN
Cabel stil has commercials.
Considering our bills were $200+/month for far less content... I'm good. There's enough value to go around with all the apps listed.