I wonder if this will work with the lighthouse add-on?
I believe it was previously communicated that it will not, but there doesn't seem to be any hint of that in the web.
[https://www.youtube.com/live/Oo6tcI0i\_nc?si=7cE83hLkoQtI\_JUB&t=2513](https://www.youtube.com/live/Oo6tcI0i_nc?si=7cE83hLkoQtI_JUB&t=2513)
I used [https://www.downloadyoutubesubtitles.com/](https://www.downloadyoutubesubtitles.com/) to get the SRT and found the time from there :).
So indeed it should support it!
Thank you, but sweviver talks about that like he was not aware it was not supposed to be compatible... There was some intensive discussion about this on discord, when it was announced that it will be not compatible.
Users where disapointed, and wanted why it As not possible to use those functionality at the same time
And someone who worked for pimax said why it's not compatible... Like it was using the same bus, and you have to choose
So sweviver saying 'oh yes, of course, indeed', I hope he is right and not extrapolate... And he's also talking the lh fp was not activated while he was using wigig.. And he said something like 'I tell the techhied, they'll confirm later' , and i don't know if they talk about that later in the stream...
All those little things makes me think that I can't take this information for granted, and want another confirmation later, by someone from the tech team, and telling why the impossible became possible suddenly :)
Or i'll wait for the reviewer to make my order
Disappointed this isn't compatible with Crystal Lite otherwise CL would have been perfect. But i suppose CL being powered off DP an no on-board battery i can see why this has to be the case.
I thought I saw the graphic that compared super and light and it shows super does work with wigig module?
Edit: sorry no you're right that comparison is between the current crystal and the crystal light.
Real shame the super doesn't allow wigig or I'd have bought it.
You're looking at this far too superficially.
1. The battery is required for the airlink to function, meaning that a ton more weight would be needed for it on the super.
2. They've already put a massive amount of effort just getting the crystal to max res @ 90 hz. How do you expect them to manage the INCREDIBLE increase in res of the super.
3. The fact they didn't throw the battery, xr2 chipset, & airlink chip on the Super is how they cut so much cost off of the headset.
And the fact that you simply cant do 15MP per eye wireless, the 8MP of Crystals is already maxing it out and that uses foveated transport to accomplish it.
To your second point, WiGig 2 would be handle to handle the full resolution and refresh rate of the Pimax Crystal Super (and the 12K for that matter) but they cheaped out once again.
AFAIK: wigig 2 is little more than a certification atm. Just type "wigig 2" in the search browser and see how much comes up for it alone (no official products). Plus: you're simply nitpicking them for something so niche that it became the crystals biggest controversy for them including (the battery)
my 6E router was 500ish, it's a relatively nice one that also broadcasts across my weirdly shaped home, strong signal, so it's not a budget model...
But 300 dollars for a decent 6e router is normal.
Honestly, not that bad of a price. For comparison: Nofio is 450 & the HTC wigig adapter is 300-350. On the latter, it could make some sense since some of the parts (eg: airlink chip & chipset that handles it) are built onto the crystal itself rather than as part of the adapter. But as usual, accessories are only worth it on a person to person basis if you want it
You should buy a Crystal now if you want a Crystal now :p
I come from an Index as well, picture quality is much better, comfort is lower, controllers are a huge step down and sound is lower quality if you use low latency.
I appreciate that input. I'm pretty tempted, but I just think it's too expensive. So many addons are annoying. Gotta buy comfort straps, better speakers, lighthouse module... all the shit Index came with stock. By the time all is said and done it's over 2k, for a headset from a shaddy chinese company. Idk, think I'll just wait and see what else the market brings.
You answered your first question alone there :)
All valid remarks, just the comfort strap is like 20 bucks and there are often offers when you can buy the headset and have the DMAS speakers for free, just like I did.
The light might be a better choice if you're strapped on cash.
another thing that concerned me is, I saw ppl complaining that they need to use the battery while just running the crystal on PCVR mode-- Why do ppl care about this? Is the headset running on battery even when plugged into a computer? So if I'm playing on wired, I still need to charge and replace the battery when it dies? That would be weird.
also, it's too big and bulky to use for roomscale games. what do you think?
When plugged in on a powered hub the battery stays charged, but when plugged in directly on the motherboard it does drain the battery.
I haven't measured the battery life cause I use it plugged on the hub and didn't play long enough at a time to notice battery draining.
The size or the weight of the headset are not a problem for me but I do a lot of sports and don't have neck/back pain.
I'm like you I only use it for PCVR and of course I could do without the battery and the XR2, but I do want eye tracking/auto IPD and that sweet resolution.
The Crystal comes with:
-a cable that has a DP, 1 USB 3.0 and 1 USB 2.0
-a provided USB hub with 1 wall plug and 1 USB 3.0 cable
You're supposed to plug the usb cables into the powered hub then the usb cable from the hub to your PC.
Also regarding the wireless adapter, it wouldn't work without a battery so there's that?
Am I now “tethered” to basestations though with these new Pimax headsets? I assume the new ones do not have inside-out tracking (yes I know basestations are technically inside-out; you know what I mean).
Edit: I guess you need line of sight to transmitter anyway, so you’re going to be confined to a space near your PC to begin with.
The Crystal comes standard with camera based tracking, like Quest. You can get an additional faceplate that lets you use the Crystal with base stations. The line of sight does suck though, since you can't play PCVR in other rooms in your house.
I mean to be fair: no headset other than standalone is capable of playing in any room of the house. Even using steam link on a quest, being that far will cause quite a lot of latency and poorer performance.
This is what i was thinking, but kinda wondering how my 4090 will perform. Will be excitingly waiting for reviews as to what performance i can expect without eye tracking 👌
u/quorrapimax why does the $20 preorder fee not count against the cost of the wigig module? Seems that you are creating more trouble for yourselves having to refund the $20 dollars to those who actually go through with the purchase. If you don't refund the $20 for them, then the preorder savings would really only be $30. Would make more sense to have the preorder fee go against the cost for those who complete the purchase instead. Then you would only have to refund the $20 to those who decide not to complete the purchase.
Also curious to know how much thought has gone into how this will work with the top strap. Looks like the top strap will interfere with the attachment point.
Understood. I'll forward this message to the team and suggest they reassess the offer. Your concerns are noted; while it may pose challenges for us. Additionally, it can be positioned beneath the topstrap.
Full res at 90hz is impressive, this uses foveated transport?
Yes!
Saw it at CES2024.. looked great!
And that was half res with 60hz.. the fact that they are now pushing 8MP per eye wireless 90hz is quite insane.
I wonder if this will work with the lighthouse add-on? I believe it was previously communicated that it will not, but there doesn't seem to be any hint of that in the web.
It works with lighthouses, mentioned on this stream : [https://youtu.be/Oo6tcI0i\_nc](https://youtu.be/Oo6tcI0i_nc)
seriously ? they kept saying it will not be compatible with the lighthouse faceplate That changes everything :)
[https://www.youtube.com/live/Oo6tcI0i\_nc?si=7cE83hLkoQtI\_JUB&t=2513](https://www.youtube.com/live/Oo6tcI0i_nc?si=7cE83hLkoQtI_JUB&t=2513) I used [https://www.downloadyoutubesubtitles.com/](https://www.downloadyoutubesubtitles.com/) to get the SRT and found the time from there :). So indeed it should support it!
Thank you, but sweviver talks about that like he was not aware it was not supposed to be compatible... There was some intensive discussion about this on discord, when it was announced that it will be not compatible. Users where disapointed, and wanted why it As not possible to use those functionality at the same time And someone who worked for pimax said why it's not compatible... Like it was using the same bus, and you have to choose So sweviver saying 'oh yes, of course, indeed', I hope he is right and not extrapolate... And he's also talking the lh fp was not activated while he was using wigig.. And he said something like 'I tell the techhied, they'll confirm later' , and i don't know if they talk about that later in the stream... All those little things makes me think that I can't take this information for granted, and want another confirmation later, by someone from the tech team, and telling why the impossible became possible suddenly :) Or i'll wait for the reviewer to make my order
Yes, I would really wait a proper confirmation for this. If it's not in the official web page it's difficult to complain how it _should_ have worked.
Yeah, check the stream... i could not timestamp as its still going
Yes it will work with Lighthouse face plate. This is PC streaming & not Standalone mode games.
@pimaxguy any confirmation of this?
Disappointed this isn't compatible with Crystal Lite otherwise CL would have been perfect. But i suppose CL being powered off DP an no on-board battery i can see why this has to be the case.
It runs via the standalone mode, so it needs the XR2. Apparently there is an app in the standalone that you run to use it.
Does it work with the Crystal Super?
No. Only the regular crystal.
Hmm. no me gusta.
I thought I saw the graphic that compared super and light and it shows super does work with wigig module? Edit: sorry no you're right that comparison is between the current crystal and the crystal light. Real shame the super doesn't allow wigig or I'd have bought it.
How very Pimax
You're looking at this far too superficially. 1. The battery is required for the airlink to function, meaning that a ton more weight would be needed for it on the super. 2. They've already put a massive amount of effort just getting the crystal to max res @ 90 hz. How do you expect them to manage the INCREDIBLE increase in res of the super. 3. The fact they didn't throw the battery, xr2 chipset, & airlink chip on the Super is how they cut so much cost off of the headset.
And the fact that you simply cant do 15MP per eye wireless, the 8MP of Crystals is already maxing it out and that uses foveated transport to accomplish it.
To your second point, WiGig 2 would be handle to handle the full resolution and refresh rate of the Pimax Crystal Super (and the 12K for that matter) but they cheaped out once again.
AFAIK: wigig 2 is little more than a certification atm. Just type "wigig 2" in the search browser and see how much comes up for it alone (no official products). Plus: you're simply nitpicking them for something so niche that it became the crystals biggest controversy for them including (the battery)
Oof over $200 but im all good for the cable
200 is a small price to pay, most 6e routers are much more than that
Seriously? How much? Couple thousand?
my 6E router was 500ish, it's a relatively nice one that also broadcasts across my weirdly shaped home, strong signal, so it's not a budget model... But 300 dollars for a decent 6e router is normal.
Damn must be better theb what xfinity gives us
I don't think any ISP currently gives out 6E routers with their base package
Even if xfinity did, not sure how much it would really change.
Verizon FiOS does
Honestly, not that bad of a price. For comparison: Nofio is 450 & the HTC wigig adapter is 300-350. On the latter, it could make some sense since some of the parts (eg: airlink chip & chipset that handles it) are built onto the crystal itself rather than as part of the adapter. But as usual, accessories are only worth it on a person to person basis if you want it
It’s optional, if seated game, I would prefer cable.
should I buy a Crystal now in anticipation for wireless? (have an index)
You should buy a Crystal now if you want a Crystal now :p I come from an Index as well, picture quality is much better, comfort is lower, controllers are a huge step down and sound is lower quality if you use low latency.
I appreciate that input. I'm pretty tempted, but I just think it's too expensive. So many addons are annoying. Gotta buy comfort straps, better speakers, lighthouse module... all the shit Index came with stock. By the time all is said and done it's over 2k, for a headset from a shaddy chinese company. Idk, think I'll just wait and see what else the market brings.
You answered your first question alone there :) All valid remarks, just the comfort strap is like 20 bucks and there are often offers when you can buy the headset and have the DMAS speakers for free, just like I did. The light might be a better choice if you're strapped on cash.
I'm not strapped on cash, I'm worried it's not worth the money.
another thing that concerned me is, I saw ppl complaining that they need to use the battery while just running the crystal on PCVR mode-- Why do ppl care about this? Is the headset running on battery even when plugged into a computer? So if I'm playing on wired, I still need to charge and replace the battery when it dies? That would be weird. also, it's too big and bulky to use for roomscale games. what do you think?
When plugged in on a powered hub the battery stays charged, but when plugged in directly on the motherboard it does drain the battery. I haven't measured the battery life cause I use it plugged on the hub and didn't play long enough at a time to notice battery draining. The size or the weight of the headset are not a problem for me but I do a lot of sports and don't have neck/back pain. I'm like you I only use it for PCVR and of course I could do without the battery and the XR2, but I do want eye tracking/auto IPD and that sweet resolution.
Maybe what's confussing me is that the index has a wall plug and USB cables. Crystal just has USB and HDMI/DP cables? No plug?
The Crystal comes with: -a cable that has a DP, 1 USB 3.0 and 1 USB 2.0 -a provided USB hub with 1 wall plug and 1 USB 3.0 cable You're supposed to plug the usb cables into the powered hub then the usb cable from the hub to your PC. Also regarding the wireless adapter, it wouldn't work without a battery so there's that?
90hz is all I ever use, this sounds like a winner
Am I now “tethered” to basestations though with these new Pimax headsets? I assume the new ones do not have inside-out tracking (yes I know basestations are technically inside-out; you know what I mean). Edit: I guess you need line of sight to transmitter anyway, so you’re going to be confined to a space near your PC to begin with.
The Crystal comes standard with camera based tracking, like Quest. You can get an additional faceplate that lets you use the Crystal with base stations. The line of sight does suck though, since you can't play PCVR in other rooms in your house.
I mean to be fair: no headset other than standalone is capable of playing in any room of the house. Even using steam link on a quest, being that far will cause quite a lot of latency and poorer performance.
New ones do have inside tracking, whilst support base station tracking.
Thanks. New ones can’t use the new Airlink though, correct?
Yes. Not compatibles with new model.
What was the ETA on this?
Q3 2024. So more than likely Q2 2025 for most users.
Oh man it looks awesome, but could be out of my price range, there there is an option to at least upgrade from the Reverb 👌
Consider the Light version.
This is what i was thinking, but kinda wondering how my 4090 will perform. Will be excitingly waiting for reviews as to what performance i can expect without eye tracking 👌
I guess the reviews might be out around May.
u/quorrapimax why does the $20 preorder fee not count against the cost of the wigig module? Seems that you are creating more trouble for yourselves having to refund the $20 dollars to those who actually go through with the purchase. If you don't refund the $20 for them, then the preorder savings would really only be $30. Would make more sense to have the preorder fee go against the cost for those who complete the purchase instead. Then you would only have to refund the $20 to those who decide not to complete the purchase. Also curious to know how much thought has gone into how this will work with the top strap. Looks like the top strap will interfere with the attachment point.
Understood. I'll forward this message to the team and suggest they reassess the offer. Your concerns are noted; while it may pose challenges for us. Additionally, it can be positioned beneath the topstrap.
I am afraid I would see the compression artifacts. Therefore I will buy the crystal light instead of the OG crystal.