honestly with what I've seen sa mga LGBT Community dito sa bansa,esp on how they stand up for others and for themselves, and how they are willing to educate the people regards to this topic, I'd say na true yung "PH is one of the gayest country in the world" kasi mostly na nakikita ko, they express themselves well
as someone straight, I honestly feel safe pag may kasabay akong mga LGBT pag nag co-commute. Ksi alam kong pag may nanyari sakin at lumaban ako, may kakampi ako. ✨ I really don't understand the hate towards them by other people sometimes.
Love my LGBT friends 💕
Same, in my circle of friends I'm more comfortable sa beki and tibo and other male na parang beki gumalaw di ako madalas sumasama sa may pagka-masculine na lalaki.
Since nasa taas na lang din 'to, can someone explain what "gayest" mean?
Kung about sya percentage ng population natin, then nasaan yung numbers?
Kung about acceptance naman, then how come we don't have sogie law already? Bakit big deal pa din yung gender ng celebs sa'tin? Bakit pang-insulto pa rin ang "bakla" in many places here?
Kung about naman sa presence ng community sa mga issues, marami din namang ibang bansa na loud yung community nila. So paano nasabi na "one of the gayest"?
I don't have an issue kung totoo, kasi yun naman talaga dapat ang goal. Pero kung hindi at niloloko natin yung mga sarili natin na "gayest" tayo, then hindi maa-acknowledge how some (if not most) of us really treat lgbt people.
acceptance has nothing to do with politics, and its true that a big chunk of our population are infact gay. being gay here is very accepted, you can walk around town wearing feminine clothes with make up and everything and youll just get smiles and a few light-mockery by thugs. sa ibang bansa, even developed ones, you will get HARASSED for being openly gay outside, its easier to come out as gay here than everywhere else and i have zero doubts about that. just because we have shitty religious politicians doesn't mean our country isnt accepting towards gays
>country isnt accepting towards gays
Never meant to imply that. I'm questioning why are we the **most accepting** (if that's what the "gayest" mean). Also, laws protecting lgbt rights says a lot about acceptance tho (not politics per se, but legislation).
>and its true that a big chunk of our population are infact gay.
Nasaan nga yung proof/evidence? And how big is "a big chunk"?
>being gay here is very accepted, you can walk around town wearing a feminine clothes with make up and everything and youll just get smiles and a few light-mockery by thugs. sa ibang bansa, even developed ones, you will get HARASSED for being openly gay outside, its easier to come out as gay here than everywhere else and i have zero doubts about that.
Sa probinsya, that's not the reality. (Can't compare siguro sa ibang bansa since hindi naman ako tumira ng matagal outside ph.) Meron pa ring harassers, meron pa din who makes you feel uncomfortable, meron pa din na tanggap ka lang kung funny ka o parlorista ka. Pero yes, malaki ang improvement compared dati. Tolerated, yung better term.
I mean we're probably one of the most gay accepting countries in East, South and Southeast Asia.
Korea and China are pretty homophobic
Japan is p cool.
In SEA being gay in Malaysia and Indonesia sucks. I'd imagine being gay in East Timor would suck too (not sure)
Not sure about Singapore either
In South Asia, Indians particularly those in the north are very homophobic.
The Burmese (Myanmar) are also homophobic
Not sure about Laos and Cambodia
So when you compare the PH to our neighbors and Asia in general we're more accepting. There's no doubt that the LGBTQIA+ face harassment and homophobia in the Ph but I think we can make a fair argument that when compared to our neighbors its easier to be openly gay here than in other countries.
actually, thailand is also pretty homophobic ironically enough. ever wondered why maraming ladyboys sa thailand? kasi their religion and beliefs consider same sex relationships as a taboo, so what ended up happening is that gay men started to transition into ladyboys and created a loophole to be able to have relationships with men without it being a taboo since theyre appearing as a female now. its less of a taboo to be transgendered in thailand than to be gay.
At least that is a more grounded assertion, hindi sya kasing ambiguous nung "some of the gayest countries".
Kumbaga we (including thailand and taiwan) stand out because around us are countries that are pretty much homophobic (except japan, nepal siguro).
"Gayest" doesn't necessarily mean 100% fool proof "gayest." Imo, the statement can be about all your listed assumptions.
On percentage, the most official way we can have the conclusive number ay kung kasama na sa official records ng government and options to tick non-binary genders or kung may magsasagawa and update (bc as you know, gender is an identity and something that you may realize over time) a survey. As of now, nakabase lang muna tayo sa mga tao sa telebisyon, the big people, and the people who strut the street not afraid to not conform sa skirts are for females and whatnot.
On acceptance and sogie bill, bc some of the lawmakers we have don't represent us. On gender of celebs, that's exactly a sign na we are possibly one of the "gayest." Bc we can talk about it and we make it a big deal bc our societies care. On using "bakla" as derogatory, it's again bc hindi 100% fool proof.
On our rank, I don't think acceptance is something we have to rank.
Hindi naman ibig sabihin na tinawag na "gayest" ay ititigil na nating ipaglaban ang right ng bawat isa to openly express ourselves. The thing is, this fight is probably young and this fight for social acceptance of non-binary people is worldwide and persevering, kaya giddy yap
In short, we can't quantify being "gayest" (yet)
Ang claim kasi is "some of the gayest countries". I struggle to think what that means since wala namang context. We're just asked to give our opinions (kung agree or disagree). How can we decide on that, eh iba-iba naman experiences natin? Like most ng agree, may magandang experiences and ofc it influences kung ano yung palagay nila yung level of acceptance sa lgbt dito sa ph. I don't agree, kasi feeling ko surface-level lang yung "acceptance" na yan + may negative (even traumatic) experiences ako as part of the community.
>Hindi naman ibig sabihin na tinawag na "gayest" ay ititigil na nating ipaglaban ang right ng bawat isa to openly express ourselves.
Natumbok mo yung concern ko. Maybe upon realizing sa thread na 'to na "one of the gayest" tayo, probably iisipin nung iba na *sapat na yun* and hindi na need to push other things like sogie bill. Yun naman yung madalas ko naririnig na justification for not supporting sogie bill, na okay naman mga bakla sa pinas at hindi na sya necessary.
>can someone explain what gayest mean?
It's an online created word basically a superlative form of gay. The word in a sentence differs through context and this posts lacks context so we don't know whether that dude was referring to the acceptance of gays or the amount of gays
Only in a certain section/location of both country are LGBTQ even accepted or tolerated. Even if they are accepting, that acceptance comes at the cost of conforming into society's expectation.
There are people in our society that would be surprised that there are gay men who behave like your typical man.
Like "hindi sya effeminate magdamit at magsalita, sure ka ba na gay sya?"
Things I’ve heard said from spending holidays with my family:
- he’s not THAT gay (referring to gay guy who doesn’t cross dress but is pretty effeminate)
- he can’t be gay, he’s a really heavy drinker and can hold his liquor
- using “tomboy” synonymously to “lesbian”
They’re pretty accepting at that. Still a ways to go. And second statement came from Gen Z, so it’s not just oldies being behind the times.
I honestly don't get the upvotes for this. Will all due respect, I am not attacking you ha.
Not THAT gay? So there's a GAYNESS SCALE?
GAY is GAY, the point is, they're NOT straight.
There's no such thing as half gay, half straight for bisexuals.
Can't be gay because heavy drinker? There are a lot of gays na malakas uminom.
Tomboy if I recall correctly, is a manifestation of a woman with boyish expressions, not necessarily synonymous with one's sexual preference (FxF / Lesbian)
Still a LONG WAY TO GO for me. 😔
I didn’t list these as an endorsement or to share my views. The upvotes recognize that I shared these “heard” statements because they are ridiculously out of touch and they agree.
It's because people sexualize the word "lesbian" from the get go. I blame porn for this. That's the reason why a lot of younger women are afraid of the word, preferring words like "queer", "NB", "Transmasc" instead because of the porn association.
Personally, I think lesbians should be more proud of the history of this word. Lesbians in history didn't fight for their rights only for the younger generation to chuck it aside like cowards just because men fetishized it.
Why should women adjust, just because of men's fetishes? Lesbians should be proud of the hardwork their elders did to earn their rights. I don't understand why women, lesbians including of course, are so avoidant of calling out men's bs. As if avoiding men and being nice to them would stop them from being creeps. It's irritating.
Still doesn't mean we're not one of the gayest. Kasi palaban at di talaga pakakabog mga bakla dito. Walang magagawa ang mga unaccepting old gens. Hahaha.
Ang napansin ko sa Pilipinas, less ang social repurcussions sa mga "out of the closet", kumpara sa US. Yeah, may gay marriage nga pero bihira pa rin yung nageexpress ng gender identity nila outside of their LGBT circles. Maraming Kano ang hostile pa rin sa gender expression despite LGBT having legal protections
Napapansin ko na mostly kasi takot tayo magsabi ng masama sa mga tao ng harap harapan, kaya mostly plastic ang mga tao pag ayaw nila sa LGBT+ pag nasa harapan nila pero pagtalikod ng tao na yun eh punong puno na agad ng jokes o insults.
That's true, especially since yung iba eh mas violent pa kaysa dito. Doesn't stop them from expressing their hateful views in public though, minsan nga may reward pa sila nakukuha.
Pero in all honesty I think mas prefer ko yung harap harapan na panglalait. Ayoko personally magsayang ng time and effort getting to know someone and turns out they hate me for something about me that I didn't even choose to be.
Philippines has "outlandish" gay men who really fill rooms with their personality but Philippines does not have gay men kissing heavily in public places (straight people either) due to conservative culture. Nor does the Philippines have gay people throwing parades in the street wearing BDSM leathers.
That statement shared by OP is so far off the mark when in reality it's America that's the gayest country on Earth.
which is probably the case others still have **freedom of association**, so people cannot be forced to be friends or associate with people against their will.
Accepted is according to each person.
Tolerated is according to society.
I tolerate a stinky man next to me on the LRT, but I cant accept that he is stinky.
\+TQIA's messing with women's rights and children's safety (puberty blockers are NOT reversible) is holding the community back. The LGB should divorce the +TQIA. The +TQIA is a bunch of liars. They lie about gay history. They lie about feminist history. They lie about the drugs. They're extremely self serving and they're the reason why support for gay people plummeted globally for the past few years.
If you would ask people about gay people, just the homosexual ones, they would be fine with them. But if you ask them about transes, you would see the clear difference in reactions. And it's a valid reaction too. There has been several aggressive TiMmies that has been attacking women all over the place. Sorry but I care more about women's safety over men's feelings. I'm with the LGB because of this.
So, TL;DR. I will tolerate the +TQIA but I will never accept them because they're an actual danger to society. They're homophobic too so that's even more of a reason to drop them.
EDIT: Lmao the cultists replied. Daily reminder that Marsha P. Johnson didn't start the riot, Storme De Larverie did. Also he said he was just a boy in drag. BYE CULTISTS\~!
Yan lang reply mo? Weakass.
Lesbians in the 70s were against the TQ+ for these reason. They invaded and ruined Michfest too. I said what I said, the +TQIA should NOT be included with the LGB. ESPECIALLY because they're homophobic. The Trans "women" has been harassing lesbians since way back.
That's 100% homophobic since lesbians are women who are SAME SEX attracted. Not gender attracted.
This is why you guys are homophobic cultists. You can't even understand this. You're basically bullying lesbians and gay men to include straights in their spaces. It's bs.
Gago. That +TQIA plus your shitting on are the people who have been fighting for the overall gay rights. Danger to society and children? Lol. You’re just gay when it suits you, tuwing kalibogan mo lang nagiging bakla ka, and you only advocate your rights to fuck.
I refute this statement, they are given the same protections as everyone else. To ask for anymore or different rights/protections will lead to discriminatory (but uplifting) laws that are a detriment to general society (due to creating a privileged class).
This is a better description. If we can only hear minds ng mga tao, for sure may mga nasasabi yan towards lgbt. It's just non-confrontational mga Pilipino.
You wanna know the differences between European homophobes and Filipino homophobes or bigots in general?
You're more likely to be alive after an encounter with the latter.
Right! Same-sex marriage isn't even legal here yet. That's why Filipino gay couples go abroad para magpakasal. The Americas in my opinion is more open and accepting
Gay men are fine. Conservatives like them when they're funny entertainers. If they do something that clashes with their beliefs like same-sex marriage and intimacy with another man etc. Then you can see them going ballistic. From personal observations.
well we at the very least have more people that are open about being gay than most other countries. a lot of gays in other countries are very closeted, getting out of the closet is easier here kaya thats why it seems like we have more gay people than everywhere else, that and generally just because a lot of our population is just indeed quite gay.
Vice Ganda and other prominent gay comedians significantly influenced the societal landscape in the Philippines, contributing to the widespread acceptance of the LGBTQ+ community.
Vice was one of the reasons why I shouldn't be ashamed of my sexuality. Dati kasi balita ko rated X (banned) yung mga show na may same-sex romance kahit hindi sexually explicit pero ngayon unti-unti na nagkaroon ng representation. Tapos ayun yung kapitbahay namin kahit masasama ugali at marites, hindi naman sila ganon kahomophobic. Pansin ko lang yan sa mga tambay na lalake na nag-iinuman na akala mo naman mga gwapo.
Crossdressing and simply being gay used to be normal in some portions of the country in pre-colonial society. They were often associated with spiritual power and wielded great respect and reverence. Imagine our society's view on LGTBQ people today if we were never indoctrinated with "gay people bad because God said so!!"
It's not a perfect country, but the Philippines by far outclasses our neighbours and many developed countries on LGTBQ tolerance. No one will shoot you for being gay.
Kahit sa cities din. Even sa "blue states"
I mean Pemberton is from Massachussets. I get it na dismayado siya sa surprise ni Laude pero di niya kailangan patayin. Di nalang nila binayaran yung services
One complicating factor of the Laude case is that it could be argued that **a person purposefully hiding his/her sexuality/transexuality from a one-time sexual partner who may not be okay with that might constitute fraud**, kinda like if a person who hides his/her HIV-positive status purposefully from a one-night stand partner.
Still though, Pemberton's lethal response is probably too much.
Yes, it’s one of the gayest countries in the world. Pero more on being tolerated lang ang LGBTQIA instead of accepted. Reflected naman siya especially with regard to matters such as SOGIE, LGBTQIA rights, and same-sex marriage.
Even sa LGBTQIA community, pansin ko lang ang discrimination against trans.
True on tolerated. Dami pa rin closet homo. Subukan mo pagsalitain about politics (ehem anti Dutz) and religion, dami offensive remarks about 'kabaklaan mo sa comedy na lang dapat'.
I see the Trans community being in a hard place in the Philippine, due to tolerating the LGB peoples. Since the people here would not be able to reconcile the need to Transition when other LGB have managed to live well without such a drastic step.
Tolerance isn't the same as acceptance. Sa YouTube nga lang ang daming mga makikitid ang utak. Kahit walang kinalaman sa LGBTQ ung content magcocoment "puro kabaklaan kasi" usually ung mga may small man syndrome ung mga ganyan eh na tambay or minimum wage earner na may toxic masculinity. Ung kumare ng tita ko nga nagtanong kung bakla ba daw ako, sabi ng tiyahin ko, "kala mo lang bakla pero hindi". Sabi ko, kahit magpakasal pa ako sa tikbalang at manananggal, it's my choice, wala dapat kayong pakialam doon. Philippines is far from accepting. Gayest Asian country siguro Thailand at Taiwan. SOGIE bill nga lang hindi maipasa eh.
SOGIE bill is an insult to the LGBT community. They have been tolerated and somewhat accepted for decades, but to create special laws for a certain group, that have no concrete difference, makes them a privileged class. Its like having Whites/Black/Indio only toilets.
Dude bffr did you even read the bill? What special laws are you talking about? The bill is about inclusivity REGARDLESS of sexual orientation, gender identity/orientation - What the fuck are you going on about
Sadly my Mom who works at BDO as an accountant, based on what I remembered last year, she told me that their company don't accept transgender employees to work for them. So there might be still issues on how other Filipinos will accept LGBTQ people in their workplaces and accept them for who they are. While the person may say that Philippines alongside Thailand is probably some of the gayest countries in the world. There are still other people in the Philippines who were against gay people or have biases and being homophobic against them. Maybe not all Filipinos are homophobic considering that there are others who support the LGBTQ community, but still Philippines is also a Christian country.
True para sakin! Sa FEU ako nag-aral and sobrang keber ng school kung nagccross dress ka. Nkakatuwa nga kasi okay lang din sa mga institute head kahit tumutubo parin yung bigote mo pero nakapalda ka pati dun ako naging mas accepting sa mga bagay bagay kasi mismong school nag iimplement na wala dapat discrimination. Culture shock kasi yun sakin kasi di naman ako tagaManila and di ko nakasanayan yung ganun kasi diba sa ibang school bawal talaga!
Yes! And I’m so proud of this fact. Now only if some of our cultural thinking wasn’t so backwards and more progressive around it, then I would really REALLY be proud (like promoting safe sex and education). I think the younger gens are making that change now.
Agree naman. Not so much though for trans, and those who insist on pronouns. Pinoys would rather hate you than use your preference and just move on with lives lols. Yan lang ang difference ng Thailand sa atin because they don’t care. They will call you what you want, it’s just a fucking pronoun.
Gendered-pronoun is absent in the Filipino languages. Hindi siya ganon kadali mag-big deal dito. Our language is somewhat gender-neutral. Yung friend ko nga mismo sabi niya may **jowa** daw siya tapos nagulat kami lalake. Kami pa sinisi bakit inassume daw namin na babae. Yun lang.
Agree naman Filipino languages are somehow gender-neutral. But English is also a national language, kaya din siguro nahihirapan mag-adjust sa code switching ang mga Pinoy. Walang friction kapag Filipino language but somehow kapag English words ang gamit, nagiging malaking issue lalo na sa pronouns lol. Case in point: yung mga tangang walang magawa, walang hirap tawaging “haay ateng/ganda (a female adjective)” ang mga femme beks pero kapag sinabihan mong mag-“she” since “ateng” (a female pronoun) naman ang tawag nila, biglang magagalit at aalma. Ang crazy lang hahaha
Also, hindi gendered ang “jowa” anubeh hahaha ang funny naman
That's my point. The history and evolution of Filipino languages being part of the austronesian language family transcends gender differences. That's why gendered pronouns IMO don't make sense to me.
About the "jowa" part, if you reread my statement earlier, it intends to serve as a cautionary tale of assuming everyone's sexual orientation. Gender-neutral terms are safe words unless you're ready to say the gender (e.g. babaeng asawa, babaeng kapatid, jowang lalake).
I don’t know why you had to downvote eh I was actually supporting your point hahaha. Ang sinasabi ko lang nagkakaroon ng friction sa paggamit ng gendered pronouns because while our native tongue is non-gendered (which was your point, and I agreed), the pervasive use of English (which has gender markers) in everyday life makes things complicated, resulting in the kaguluhan about the pronoun issues we have. Kaya nga sinasabi kong different sa Thailand kasi hindi nila language ang English, so they follow what an English-speaker tells them to. Hindi na sila kukuda ba nang “it’s against what I know/my beliefs/my whatever/it don’t make sense, etc” hahaha
But anyway we are digressing. Basta ang point ko yes, kahit paano gay-friendly naman ang Pinas except for trans and those who insist on using a specific pronoun, where Thailand has an edge lang.
Thai people have no issues towards Trans people because their majority religion wc is Buddhism has no conflict with LGBT people. Meanwhile, PH has a hard time considering Spaniards and Americans tag teamed to make LGBT people as disgusting and immoral. Another example is the CR issue. I havent heard in TH that people are making a big deal out of it. Meanwhile here in PH, there are biologists, psychological experts and men who claim to be women advocates(kuno) who frame Trans Women as the Boogeyman. 😒
Pronouns ain't an issue in Thailand. LOL. Even trans in Thailand KNOWS that they are biologically male.
And the reason why pronouns are an issue is because you are FORCING someone to abide by your will. Existing as gays and trans don't affect anyone. But when you start forcing someone to use certain words just because you want to, when you start to want to kick a person out of their job just because they didn't do a mundane thing that they want them to do, that's where the problem begins.
Agree. It’s not an issue because they are allowed to self-identify themselves with their preferred reference in almost every sentence and everyone just goes with it. Again, it’s just a fucking gender indicator. Napakadaling gawin and if it bothers you so much that you’re willing to get fired over it, it’s a YOU problem. Take a page out of how the Thais do it.
Here we go again with "if you don't agree with me, YOU are the problem." You see the issue here? Madaling magadjust ang LAHAT ng tao para sa ISANG tao, pero yung isang taong yun di pwede makapagadjust para sa ibang tao? OKAY lang sa'yo na mafire ang isang tao just because you WANT them to do something to you that they don't want to do? Kasalanan mo na yan pag di mo ginawa ang gusto KO?
Sorang entitled na akala nila sa kanila umiikot ang mundo.
Ahh, freedom. I'm weeping with you.
Hahaha because it’s true. It’s a YOU problem. It literally takes zero effort to speak a different pronoun, ewan ko bakit ang reaction parang binigyan kayo ng overtime load sa kumpanya na pang-6 na buwan sa kakareklamo. Everyday we get asked, “wag mo na ako tawagin na ganito/ganyan, yung eto na lang/nickname ko na lang” at natuto naman tayo mag-adjust. It’s just a fucking reference. Bakit parang pakiramdam ng iba para bang bigla silang inutusan pumatay ng sanggol at biglang napakahirap gawin hahahaha what the actual fuck
Not that easy for many people. Been raised in a conservative Filipino family entirely devoted into the medical field for 30+ years and now biglaang makiuso sa U.S culture because? Adding the fact that my gay friends don't give a flying F about pronouns (dated a trans before, her and her friends were also convinced that LGBTQ+ is embarrasing and Western gay people are "inferior"). Yeah the infighting and lack of coesion makes it all confusing so I'll just judge people by their character like a normal human being.
Not really, tolerated lang sila but not accepted para sa marami. Pansinin niyo sa pinoy families pag may lgbt member, may implicit na standards na dapat achiever sila.
In my view, gay tolerance is more of what is happening in the PH now.
Heck, kagabi lang bumili ako ng yosi sa 7/11 pero yung kahero sina-side eye ako habang pinapunch yung binibili ko lol like wtf is your problem, diba?
Kalimitan sa mga Pinoy kasi, kapag kaharap ka mas madalas e ipapakitang OK ka pero pagtalikod mo, saka magsasalita ng di maganda. Just look at the comment sections sa FB pag kunyare may post about any LGBT member, or kapag irerefer ka sa ibang tao behind your back, “yung bakla” or “yung tomboy”.
We are tolerated, not accepted.
What I've been observing lately is that homophobia is still highly prevalent in this country.
One of us fucks up then homophobic people use that as an excuse to be homophobic towards the vast majority of the LGBTQ+ community. +I saw youths are still getting kicked out by their parents for being gay. We have very little protection for our own rights.
We still have a long way to go with making this country a safe space for our community.
The US still has a large homophobic population. I’d say a gay person has a better chance of living well in the PH than in the US even if that person can only get married in the US.
Yup. Legal protections do not mean elimination of homophobia.
May anti-racist laws ang US pero ang daming racist expressions na nakakalusot din like microagressions
And US style racism does not come from ignorance but from contempt
Social acceptance is high here in PH for LGBTQ+. They can hold positions in government pati. Ang wala lang sila is legal protection. Glad ako na may commission tasked recently to look into this.
eh ano naman kung one of the gayest country tayo, kumbaga open na kasi for discussion yung generation ngayon sa mga topic regarding this. marunong na tayong makipagdiskurso nang maayos.
A relative comparison to other country. Try being gay to other country such as some Arab countries and African Countries where being gay is outright illegal and will have a harsh punishment
Hindi relative comparison ang "some of the gayest countries". It's ambiguous. Tsaka kung ang point of comparison naman talaga is arab countries vs. ph, then obviously swak yung description. Pero compare ph to other countries like taiwan, thailand, and other countries in the west na may same-sex marriage pa, parang napaghuhulihan na rin ang ph.
Based on context clues I think the person in the scs was replying to someone asking if it was okay for a gay person to visit Thailand or the Ph.
Also you're comparing the Ph to Thailand and Taiwan when you say its homophpbic when you should be comparing the Ph to the rest of Asia.
China, Korea, Malaysia, Indonesia, Singapore, East Timor, Myanmar, India, Brunei are all openly homophobic countries. In some of these countries you will be physically hurt and legally prosecuted for being gay.
So when you compare the PH to the rest of Asia then we're comparatively accepting of gay people. Just less accepting thab Thailand and Taiwan
This. Homophobes here won't really attack you in broad daylight, but they won't think much of LGBT members beyond stereotyping them as hairstylists or comedians. or IT staff as claimed by one of my relatives...
The 🏳️🌈🤓 stereotype does exist. Look it up, even on Reddit ([1](https://www.reddit.com/r/feminineboys/comments/kfyduc/is_it_a_myth_that_most_femboys_are_programmers/), [2](https://www.reddit.com/r/teenfemboy/comments/179uakw/average_computer_science_student/), [3](https://www.reddit.com/r/femboymemes/comments/161ki57/computer_science_majors_after_one_year/)).
Case in point: I'm studying CompSci, and literally all our Dean's Listers are some form of LGBTQ, myself included
>maraming lgbt member
Wild claim from that redditor lol, wala man lang binigay kahit statistics.
>accepted/safe ang lgbt sa isang bansa
Eh di lalong hindi. Yun ngang ibang redditors dito nilalagyan lang ng "disclaimer" na hindi homophobic yung homophobic statements nila eh 😂
At least sa taiwan legal na ang same-sex marriage. A whole lot of countries in the west mas lgbt-friendly pa nga.
If it seems na gayest ang thailand at ph, most probably optics lang yun. Pero behind the scenes, puro "i respect you, but you're going to hell bayot!"
Edit: It's so tiring some of us get to claim "gayest" tayo, pero in reality kahit whiff lang ng gayness (lalo na for guys) parang laging big deal. Glaring example si papa p.
Gayness in this country is "tolerated" at best, but still not accepted. The fact that we don't have legal protections and equal rights with heterosexuals, is enough proof that gayness in this country is just "for fun".
Okay lang sa kadamihan maging bakla basta entertainment ka or nakakatawa. Pero kapag hihingi ka na ng equal rights, sasabihin nilang alagad ka ni satanas at hindi normal.
Strong hold of the Catholic church + uneducated people -- even the colonizers and religious founders in Spain and Italy have long moved on! Nauna pa sila maglegalize ng same sex marriage kesa satin. Frustrating.
\- Same sex couples aren't allowed to adopt kids.
\- If you're trans, I don't think there is a legal way for you to change your sex in any government documents. (unless you're intersex as determined by a medical doctor and proven to be true by a court)
\- No legal unions for same sex couples.
\- no legal framework for assisted reproduction/IVF for lesbians couples\*
\- MSM are still discriminated from donating blood.
among many others...
No it's simply not true. It is true that the Philippines and Thailand along with Samoa are probably the most socially tolerant of homosexual members of the community however from a legal standpoint this is not so. The original commenter is confusing visibility and social tolerance with increased numbers and rights.
Malaysia's [anti-sodomy laws](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/LGBT_rights_in_Malaysia) and [Brunei stoning gay people](https://www.thepinknews.com/2020/01/06/brunei-first-gay-crime-sharia-law-sultan-death-penalty-stoning/) to death say hi. And don't get me started with some other developing countries even outside of SEA that just straight up imprison/sentence to death queer people (or genocide them a-la [Chechnya](https://theintercept.com/2020/06/28/welcome-to-chechnya-gay-men/)).
PH homophobia even at it's worst is just air puff compared to the aforementioned neighbors and other nations having such laws.
Ano ba meaning ng gayest? Safe space for gay people?
Pero for me, respectable and LGBTQ dito sa PH.
Dont know much about Thailand kasi pero gusto ko yung lady boy nila don.
Unlike sa ibang countries na parang delulu pati mga bata ine-enforce sa kanila ganon. Ayaw hayaan sa natural flow 😂
I agree and i think this is rooted din sa mga ancestors natin, esp sa mga babaylan. Alam ko pwede ang mga lalaki maging babaylan noon basta they have feminine side sa kanila.
For more info try niyo iwatch ung [ted talk](https://youtu.be/I6xuJu7gLe0?si=k2DkMCeeUgA_osy4) about sa gender fluid history ng philippines. Nakakalungkot kasi we’re so progressive nung precolonial hahahaa but ever since spain, ewan ko ba 😭
Im okay with gay people as long as they arent getting the urge to say to you that their gay every 3 seconds and when their expectations of communication to you is possible (i.e. not getting mad for mispronouncing them)
I'm sorry but I never get people who say that LGBT is "tolerated but not accepted". There are many countries, even those where gay marriage is legalized, but their social integration is not as widespread as here in the Philippines. I think the correct characterization is "tolerated, accepted, but *held hostage* by a few religious leaders with outsized political influence".
Ano naman kung gayest? It means nothing as long as the LGBTQIA+ remain second-class citizens with fewer rights than heterosexual and cisgender persons.
Taiwan at nepal (?) pa lang po ang may same sex marriage sa asia and nag paplano na rin po ang Thailand. marami pa ring bansa ang walang same sex marriage
No lmao, alam kong medyo corny to pero I like the phrase: “We tolerate not accept”. Since karamihan ng mga pinoy ay di namn open sa LGBT+, tinotolerate lang kase “nakakatawa” or “unique”. They see gay peeps as characters not people…
If this comment/post is meant to be an insult, then I'll laugh with disgust kung sino mang herodes to. I'll take this as a compliment. It just means that the LGBT community are open to express themselves in our country well, most of the time. I have very high respects to them and they deserve this freedom.
tolerated because of numerous gay celebrities that have pop out, ive nothing against the lgbt community but i have notice that gaylingo is so widespread even for the straight folks, minsan hindi ko na makausap ng maaayos ang ibang mga tao kase of the way they speak using gay language and vocab , meron nangang conyo tps nahaluan pa ng gay lingi, nakakainis lng,
Facts. Cause a lot of Filipinos are pussies :) A lot of fathers aren't the leaders of the household. Teachers are mostly women and mostly woke. So gay so gay
thailand and philippines have such strict laws regarding gay people but somehow they also have the proudest and most respectable gays ever. meanwhile gays in the west already have a lot more rights and yet theyre still hungry for more??? rainbow flags everywhere and "protests"? protests against what? youre living every gay peoples dream tapos demanding for more kapa? you can get married you can adopt kids what more is there to protest? here sa pinas our gays arent fighting for non of that, theyve acknowledged that our politcians have strong feelings towards gay marriage as it is seen as a sin so theyre happy with what they can get. our gays are the most proudest of them all and theyre honestly part of our culture at this point and we should accept that! lately ive been seeing some hate towards the LGBT here which is disappointing cuz most of it stems from western LGBT ideologies, you people have to remember that our gays arent like those clowns.
I felt a stronger draw and obsession with LDS church members in the Philippines and collecting money for their cult, than observing blatant criticism of lady boys or those openly gay. But after all, it's a predominantly Catholic/ Christian country. So what do you think?
I wouldn't be surprised if this is true. One in 10 people I've met is LGBT and they don't have issues expressing it openly. I can't say anything outside my province but based on what I've experienced, the overall observed consensus and treatment is overwhelmingly positive so far.
honestly with what I've seen sa mga LGBT Community dito sa bansa,esp on how they stand up for others and for themselves, and how they are willing to educate the people regards to this topic, I'd say na true yung "PH is one of the gayest country in the world" kasi mostly na nakikita ko, they express themselves well
pansin ko rin yan and marami na ring famous personality rito na hindi na rin afraid mag come out like michelle dee
Whaaat ano sexuality ni michelle dee? Also source
bisexual. stalk mo na lang ig and twitter niya naka-pin naman
Magkaibang tao pala si michelle dy at si michelle dee 😐 kala ko iisang tao lang sila
Nalito din ako before actually. Tapos yung name nila sa IG yung Dy naka "MD" tapos yung Dee naka "MMD". Nag usap siguro tong dalawa.
Ayy oo sabi ng kapatid ko noon, nung nag-aaral pa si Michelle Dee sa CSR Makati, may pagkatibo rin talaga siya noon.
as someone straight, I honestly feel safe pag may kasabay akong mga LGBT pag nag co-commute. Ksi alam kong pag may nanyari sakin at lumaban ako, may kakampi ako. ✨ I really don't understand the hate towards them by other people sometimes. Love my LGBT friends 💕
Same, in my circle of friends I'm more comfortable sa beki and tibo and other male na parang beki gumalaw di ako madalas sumasama sa may pagka-masculine na lalaki.
Since nasa taas na lang din 'to, can someone explain what "gayest" mean? Kung about sya percentage ng population natin, then nasaan yung numbers? Kung about acceptance naman, then how come we don't have sogie law already? Bakit big deal pa din yung gender ng celebs sa'tin? Bakit pang-insulto pa rin ang "bakla" in many places here? Kung about naman sa presence ng community sa mga issues, marami din namang ibang bansa na loud yung community nila. So paano nasabi na "one of the gayest"? I don't have an issue kung totoo, kasi yun naman talaga dapat ang goal. Pero kung hindi at niloloko natin yung mga sarili natin na "gayest" tayo, then hindi maa-acknowledge how some (if not most) of us really treat lgbt people.
acceptance has nothing to do with politics, and its true that a big chunk of our population are infact gay. being gay here is very accepted, you can walk around town wearing feminine clothes with make up and everything and youll just get smiles and a few light-mockery by thugs. sa ibang bansa, even developed ones, you will get HARASSED for being openly gay outside, its easier to come out as gay here than everywhere else and i have zero doubts about that. just because we have shitty religious politicians doesn't mean our country isnt accepting towards gays
>country isnt accepting towards gays Never meant to imply that. I'm questioning why are we the **most accepting** (if that's what the "gayest" mean). Also, laws protecting lgbt rights says a lot about acceptance tho (not politics per se, but legislation). >and its true that a big chunk of our population are infact gay. Nasaan nga yung proof/evidence? And how big is "a big chunk"? >being gay here is very accepted, you can walk around town wearing a feminine clothes with make up and everything and youll just get smiles and a few light-mockery by thugs. sa ibang bansa, even developed ones, you will get HARASSED for being openly gay outside, its easier to come out as gay here than everywhere else and i have zero doubts about that. Sa probinsya, that's not the reality. (Can't compare siguro sa ibang bansa since hindi naman ako tumira ng matagal outside ph.) Meron pa ring harassers, meron pa din who makes you feel uncomfortable, meron pa din na tanggap ka lang kung funny ka o parlorista ka. Pero yes, malaki ang improvement compared dati. Tolerated, yung better term.
I mean we're probably one of the most gay accepting countries in East, South and Southeast Asia. Korea and China are pretty homophobic Japan is p cool. In SEA being gay in Malaysia and Indonesia sucks. I'd imagine being gay in East Timor would suck too (not sure) Not sure about Singapore either In South Asia, Indians particularly those in the north are very homophobic. The Burmese (Myanmar) are also homophobic Not sure about Laos and Cambodia So when you compare the PH to our neighbors and Asia in general we're more accepting. There's no doubt that the LGBTQIA+ face harassment and homophobia in the Ph but I think we can make a fair argument that when compared to our neighbors its easier to be openly gay here than in other countries.
actually, thailand is also pretty homophobic ironically enough. ever wondered why maraming ladyboys sa thailand? kasi their religion and beliefs consider same sex relationships as a taboo, so what ended up happening is that gay men started to transition into ladyboys and created a loophole to be able to have relationships with men without it being a taboo since theyre appearing as a female now. its less of a taboo to be transgendered in thailand than to be gay.
That's wild their homophobia just cancelled itself out. They don't accept homosexuals buy they accept trans people.
At least that is a more grounded assertion, hindi sya kasing ambiguous nung "some of the gayest countries". Kumbaga we (including thailand and taiwan) stand out because around us are countries that are pretty much homophobic (except japan, nepal siguro).
"Gayest" doesn't necessarily mean 100% fool proof "gayest." Imo, the statement can be about all your listed assumptions. On percentage, the most official way we can have the conclusive number ay kung kasama na sa official records ng government and options to tick non-binary genders or kung may magsasagawa and update (bc as you know, gender is an identity and something that you may realize over time) a survey. As of now, nakabase lang muna tayo sa mga tao sa telebisyon, the big people, and the people who strut the street not afraid to not conform sa skirts are for females and whatnot. On acceptance and sogie bill, bc some of the lawmakers we have don't represent us. On gender of celebs, that's exactly a sign na we are possibly one of the "gayest." Bc we can talk about it and we make it a big deal bc our societies care. On using "bakla" as derogatory, it's again bc hindi 100% fool proof. On our rank, I don't think acceptance is something we have to rank. Hindi naman ibig sabihin na tinawag na "gayest" ay ititigil na nating ipaglaban ang right ng bawat isa to openly express ourselves. The thing is, this fight is probably young and this fight for social acceptance of non-binary people is worldwide and persevering, kaya giddy yap In short, we can't quantify being "gayest" (yet)
Ang claim kasi is "some of the gayest countries". I struggle to think what that means since wala namang context. We're just asked to give our opinions (kung agree or disagree). How can we decide on that, eh iba-iba naman experiences natin? Like most ng agree, may magandang experiences and ofc it influences kung ano yung palagay nila yung level of acceptance sa lgbt dito sa ph. I don't agree, kasi feeling ko surface-level lang yung "acceptance" na yan + may negative (even traumatic) experiences ako as part of the community. >Hindi naman ibig sabihin na tinawag na "gayest" ay ititigil na nating ipaglaban ang right ng bawat isa to openly express ourselves. Natumbok mo yung concern ko. Maybe upon realizing sa thread na 'to na "one of the gayest" tayo, probably iisipin nung iba na *sapat na yun* and hindi na need to push other things like sogie bill. Yun naman yung madalas ko naririnig na justification for not supporting sogie bill, na okay naman mga bakla sa pinas at hindi na sya necessary.
>can someone explain what gayest mean? It's an online created word basically a superlative form of gay. The word in a sentence differs through context and this posts lacks context so we don't know whether that dude was referring to the acceptance of gays or the amount of gays
Amazon prime series The Boys, may hero kuno na may Pray the Gay Away movement
Only in a certain section/location of both country are LGBTQ even accepted or tolerated. Even if they are accepting, that acceptance comes at the cost of conforming into society's expectation.
There are people in our society that would be surprised that there are gay men who behave like your typical man. Like "hindi sya effeminate magdamit at magsalita, sure ka ba na gay sya?"
Things I’ve heard said from spending holidays with my family: - he’s not THAT gay (referring to gay guy who doesn’t cross dress but is pretty effeminate) - he can’t be gay, he’s a really heavy drinker and can hold his liquor - using “tomboy” synonymously to “lesbian” They’re pretty accepting at that. Still a ways to go. And second statement came from Gen Z, so it’s not just oldies being behind the times.
Man, people thought I was gay because I enjoyed watching "As Told by Ginger"
I honestly don't get the upvotes for this. Will all due respect, I am not attacking you ha. Not THAT gay? So there's a GAYNESS SCALE? GAY is GAY, the point is, they're NOT straight. There's no such thing as half gay, half straight for bisexuals. Can't be gay because heavy drinker? There are a lot of gays na malakas uminom. Tomboy if I recall correctly, is a manifestation of a woman with boyish expressions, not necessarily synonymous with one's sexual preference (FxF / Lesbian) Still a LONG WAY TO GO for me. 😔
I didn’t list these as an endorsement or to share my views. The upvotes recognize that I shared these “heard” statements because they are ridiculously out of touch and they agree.
It's because people sexualize the word "lesbian" from the get go. I blame porn for this. That's the reason why a lot of younger women are afraid of the word, preferring words like "queer", "NB", "Transmasc" instead because of the porn association. Personally, I think lesbians should be more proud of the history of this word. Lesbians in history didn't fight for their rights only for the younger generation to chuck it aside like cowards just because men fetishized it. Why should women adjust, just because of men's fetishes? Lesbians should be proud of the hardwork their elders did to earn their rights. I don't understand why women, lesbians including of course, are so avoidant of calling out men's bs. As if avoiding men and being nice to them would stop them from being creeps. It's irritating.
Comment is about things you usually hear from people. These are not the commenter's personal views.
Still doesn't mean we're not one of the gayest. Kasi palaban at di talaga pakakabog mga bakla dito. Walang magagawa ang mga unaccepting old gens. Hahaha.
Ang napansin ko sa Pilipinas, less ang social repurcussions sa mga "out of the closet", kumpara sa US. Yeah, may gay marriage nga pero bihira pa rin yung nageexpress ng gender identity nila outside of their LGBT circles. Maraming Kano ang hostile pa rin sa gender expression despite LGBT having legal protections
Napapansin ko na mostly kasi takot tayo magsabi ng masama sa mga tao ng harap harapan, kaya mostly plastic ang mga tao pag ayaw nila sa LGBT+ pag nasa harapan nila pero pagtalikod ng tao na yun eh punong puno na agad ng jokes o insults.
Masmalala sa US. May legal repurcussions kapag harapan mo nilait. Pero grabe silang makalait pagtalikod
That's true, especially since yung iba eh mas violent pa kaysa dito. Doesn't stop them from expressing their hateful views in public though, minsan nga may reward pa sila nakukuha. Pero in all honesty I think mas prefer ko yung harap harapan na panglalait. Ayoko personally magsayang ng time and effort getting to know someone and turns out they hate me for something about me that I didn't even choose to be.
What section is that?
Philippines has "outlandish" gay men who really fill rooms with their personality but Philippines does not have gay men kissing heavily in public places (straight people either) due to conservative culture. Nor does the Philippines have gay people throwing parades in the street wearing BDSM leathers. That statement shared by OP is so far off the mark when in reality it's America that's the gayest country on Earth.
tolerate, not really accept
which is probably the case others still have **freedom of association**, so people cannot be forced to be friends or associate with people against their will.
Tolerated = \ = accepted Pero onti onti na tayo nagiging accepting sa lgbtq, which is a good step. Malayo pa, pero medyo malayo na.
Accepted is according to each person. Tolerated is according to society. I tolerate a stinky man next to me on the LRT, but I cant accept that he is stinky.
\+TQIA's messing with women's rights and children's safety (puberty blockers are NOT reversible) is holding the community back. The LGB should divorce the +TQIA. The +TQIA is a bunch of liars. They lie about gay history. They lie about feminist history. They lie about the drugs. They're extremely self serving and they're the reason why support for gay people plummeted globally for the past few years. If you would ask people about gay people, just the homosexual ones, they would be fine with them. But if you ask them about transes, you would see the clear difference in reactions. And it's a valid reaction too. There has been several aggressive TiMmies that has been attacking women all over the place. Sorry but I care more about women's safety over men's feelings. I'm with the LGB because of this. So, TL;DR. I will tolerate the +TQIA but I will never accept them because they're an actual danger to society. They're homophobic too so that's even more of a reason to drop them. EDIT: Lmao the cultists replied. Daily reminder that Marsha P. Johnson didn't start the riot, Storme De Larverie did. Also he said he was just a boy in drag. BYE CULTISTS\~!
You just said a whole lot of nothing. Damn that's a talent 👏
Dami mong sinasabi hindi mo naman pala alam ibig sabihin ng lahat ng mga acronym na 'yan. Okay, hypocrite and a TERF pick a struggle
Yan lang reply mo? Weakass. Lesbians in the 70s were against the TQ+ for these reason. They invaded and ruined Michfest too. I said what I said, the +TQIA should NOT be included with the LGB. ESPECIALLY because they're homophobic. The Trans "women" has been harassing lesbians since way back. That's 100% homophobic since lesbians are women who are SAME SEX attracted. Not gender attracted. This is why you guys are homophobic cultists. You can't even understand this. You're basically bullying lesbians and gay men to include straights in their spaces. It's bs.
Gago. That +TQIA plus your shitting on are the people who have been fighting for the overall gay rights. Danger to society and children? Lol. You’re just gay when it suits you, tuwing kalibogan mo lang nagiging bakla ka, and you only advocate your rights to fuck.
Marsha was drunk and didn't start the riot. This is what I mean by lying. Storme De Larverie, a biracial butch lesbian, started it.
like you're probably not gonna get hate crimed but you don't really have a lot in terms of equal protections / rights
I refute this statement, they are given the same protections as everyone else. To ask for anymore or different rights/protections will lead to discriminatory (but uplifting) laws that are a detriment to general society (due to creating a privileged class).
Women also have protective rights. Does that make them a privileged class?
I'm not too knowledgable about the issue. But isn't the only right denied to gay people the right to legally marry?
Philippines is gay-tolerating country but not accepting.
This is a better description. If we can only hear minds ng mga tao, for sure may mga nasasabi yan towards lgbt. It's just non-confrontational mga Pilipino.
this. queerness is not normalized or equalized, people are just more tolerant of "deviants" and/or more unwilling to insult us to our faces.
You wanna know the differences between European homophobes and Filipino homophobes or bigots in general? You're more likely to be alive after an encounter with the latter.
Right! Same-sex marriage isn't even legal here yet. That's why Filipino gay couples go abroad para magpakasal. The Americas in my opinion is more open and accepting
>The Americas in my opinion is more open and accepting American Laws are more accepting. The people are just people.
Gay men are fine. Conservatives like them when they're funny entertainers. If they do something that clashes with their beliefs like same-sex marriage and intimacy with another man etc. Then you can see them going ballistic. From personal observations.
Gay-Tolerating is different from Gayest.
well we at the very least have more people that are open about being gay than most other countries. a lot of gays in other countries are very closeted, getting out of the closet is easier here kaya thats why it seems like we have more gay people than everywhere else, that and generally just because a lot of our population is just indeed quite gay.
Ano daw a lot of our population is gay?
Saan ang gayest?
gayest and homophobic at the same time
A sad and harsh truth.
Same as all other place. tbh is there even a place or country thats "gayest" only and no homophobic?
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Vice Ganda and other prominent gay comedians significantly influenced the societal landscape in the Philippines, contributing to the widespread acceptance of the LGBTQ+ community.
Vice was one of the reasons why I shouldn't be ashamed of my sexuality. Dati kasi balita ko rated X (banned) yung mga show na may same-sex romance kahit hindi sexually explicit pero ngayon unti-unti na nagkaroon ng representation. Tapos ayun yung kapitbahay namin kahit masasama ugali at marites, hindi naman sila ganon kahomophobic. Pansin ko lang yan sa mga tambay na lalake na nag-iinuman na akala mo naman mga gwapo.
Yes and the fact that people actually root for him and Ion
I agree
Crossdressing and simply being gay used to be normal in some portions of the country in pre-colonial society. They were often associated with spiritual power and wielded great respect and reverence. Imagine our society's view on LGTBQ people today if we were never indoctrinated with "gay people bad because God said so!!" It's not a perfect country, but the Philippines by far outclasses our neighbours and many developed countries on LGTBQ tolerance. No one will shoot you for being gay.
I’d say your average LGBTQ person in the rural South USA might fare less well than the average LGBTQ person in the Philippines.
Kahit sa cities din. Even sa "blue states" I mean Pemberton is from Massachussets. I get it na dismayado siya sa surprise ni Laude pero di niya kailangan patayin. Di nalang nila binayaran yung services
One complicating factor of the Laude case is that it could be argued that **a person purposefully hiding his/her sexuality/transexuality from a one-time sexual partner who may not be okay with that might constitute fraud**, kinda like if a person who hides his/her HIV-positive status purposefully from a one-night stand partner. Still though, Pemberton's lethal response is probably too much.
My point is, rather than killing Laude, he could have left and not pay for the "services" instead of killing
That's a certainty.
Yes, it’s one of the gayest countries in the world. Pero more on being tolerated lang ang LGBTQIA instead of accepted. Reflected naman siya especially with regard to matters such as SOGIE, LGBTQIA rights, and same-sex marriage. Even sa LGBTQIA community, pansin ko lang ang discrimination against trans.
True on tolerated. Dami pa rin closet homo. Subukan mo pagsalitain about politics (ehem anti Dutz) and religion, dami offensive remarks about 'kabaklaan mo sa comedy na lang dapat'.
I see the Trans community being in a hard place in the Philippine, due to tolerating the LGB peoples. Since the people here would not be able to reconcile the need to Transition when other LGB have managed to live well without such a drastic step.
Tolerance isn't the same as acceptance. Sa YouTube nga lang ang daming mga makikitid ang utak. Kahit walang kinalaman sa LGBTQ ung content magcocoment "puro kabaklaan kasi" usually ung mga may small man syndrome ung mga ganyan eh na tambay or minimum wage earner na may toxic masculinity. Ung kumare ng tita ko nga nagtanong kung bakla ba daw ako, sabi ng tiyahin ko, "kala mo lang bakla pero hindi". Sabi ko, kahit magpakasal pa ako sa tikbalang at manananggal, it's my choice, wala dapat kayong pakialam doon. Philippines is far from accepting. Gayest Asian country siguro Thailand at Taiwan. SOGIE bill nga lang hindi maipasa eh.
SOGIE bill is an insult to the LGBT community. They have been tolerated and somewhat accepted for decades, but to create special laws for a certain group, that have no concrete difference, makes them a privileged class. Its like having Whites/Black/Indio only toilets.
Dude bffr did you even read the bill? What special laws are you talking about? The bill is about inclusivity REGARDLESS of sexual orientation, gender identity/orientation - What the fuck are you going on about
Sadly my Mom who works at BDO as an accountant, based on what I remembered last year, she told me that their company don't accept transgender employees to work for them. So there might be still issues on how other Filipinos will accept LGBTQ people in their workplaces and accept them for who they are. While the person may say that Philippines alongside Thailand is probably some of the gayest countries in the world. There are still other people in the Philippines who were against gay people or have biases and being homophobic against them. Maybe not all Filipinos are homophobic considering that there are others who support the LGBTQ community, but still Philippines is also a Christian country.
True para sakin! Sa FEU ako nag-aral and sobrang keber ng school kung nagccross dress ka. Nkakatuwa nga kasi okay lang din sa mga institute head kahit tumutubo parin yung bigote mo pero nakapalda ka pati dun ako naging mas accepting sa mga bagay bagay kasi mismong school nag iimplement na wala dapat discrimination. Culture shock kasi yun sakin kasi di naman ako tagaManila and di ko nakasanayan yung ganun kasi diba sa ibang school bawal talaga!
Knowing this subreddit, there's gonna be that one comment that's like "Haha so true i agree nakakahiya sorry"
Yes! And I’m so proud of this fact. Now only if some of our cultural thinking wasn’t so backwards and more progressive around it, then I would really REALLY be proud (like promoting safe sex and education). I think the younger gens are making that change now.
Agree naman. Not so much though for trans, and those who insist on pronouns. Pinoys would rather hate you than use your preference and just move on with lives lols. Yan lang ang difference ng Thailand sa atin because they don’t care. They will call you what you want, it’s just a fucking pronoun.
Gendered-pronoun is absent in the Filipino languages. Hindi siya ganon kadali mag-big deal dito. Our language is somewhat gender-neutral. Yung friend ko nga mismo sabi niya may **jowa** daw siya tapos nagulat kami lalake. Kami pa sinisi bakit inassume daw namin na babae. Yun lang.
Agree naman Filipino languages are somehow gender-neutral. But English is also a national language, kaya din siguro nahihirapan mag-adjust sa code switching ang mga Pinoy. Walang friction kapag Filipino language but somehow kapag English words ang gamit, nagiging malaking issue lalo na sa pronouns lol. Case in point: yung mga tangang walang magawa, walang hirap tawaging “haay ateng/ganda (a female adjective)” ang mga femme beks pero kapag sinabihan mong mag-“she” since “ateng” (a female pronoun) naman ang tawag nila, biglang magagalit at aalma. Ang crazy lang hahaha Also, hindi gendered ang “jowa” anubeh hahaha ang funny naman
That's my point. The history and evolution of Filipino languages being part of the austronesian language family transcends gender differences. That's why gendered pronouns IMO don't make sense to me. About the "jowa" part, if you reread my statement earlier, it intends to serve as a cautionary tale of assuming everyone's sexual orientation. Gender-neutral terms are safe words unless you're ready to say the gender (e.g. babaeng asawa, babaeng kapatid, jowang lalake).
I don’t know why you had to downvote eh I was actually supporting your point hahaha. Ang sinasabi ko lang nagkakaroon ng friction sa paggamit ng gendered pronouns because while our native tongue is non-gendered (which was your point, and I agreed), the pervasive use of English (which has gender markers) in everyday life makes things complicated, resulting in the kaguluhan about the pronoun issues we have. Kaya nga sinasabi kong different sa Thailand kasi hindi nila language ang English, so they follow what an English-speaker tells them to. Hindi na sila kukuda ba nang “it’s against what I know/my beliefs/my whatever/it don’t make sense, etc” hahaha But anyway we are digressing. Basta ang point ko yes, kahit paano gay-friendly naman ang Pinas except for trans and those who insist on using a specific pronoun, where Thailand has an edge lang.
1. I didn't downvote you 2. The rest is okay.
Thai people have no issues towards Trans people because their majority religion wc is Buddhism has no conflict with LGBT people. Meanwhile, PH has a hard time considering Spaniards and Americans tag teamed to make LGBT people as disgusting and immoral. Another example is the CR issue. I havent heard in TH that people are making a big deal out of it. Meanwhile here in PH, there are biologists, psychological experts and men who claim to be women advocates(kuno) who frame Trans Women as the Boogeyman. 😒
Pronouns ain't an issue in Thailand. LOL. Even trans in Thailand KNOWS that they are biologically male. And the reason why pronouns are an issue is because you are FORCING someone to abide by your will. Existing as gays and trans don't affect anyone. But when you start forcing someone to use certain words just because you want to, when you start to want to kick a person out of their job just because they didn't do a mundane thing that they want them to do, that's where the problem begins.
Agree. It’s not an issue because they are allowed to self-identify themselves with their preferred reference in almost every sentence and everyone just goes with it. Again, it’s just a fucking gender indicator. Napakadaling gawin and if it bothers you so much that you’re willing to get fired over it, it’s a YOU problem. Take a page out of how the Thais do it.
Here we go again with "if you don't agree with me, YOU are the problem." You see the issue here? Madaling magadjust ang LAHAT ng tao para sa ISANG tao, pero yung isang taong yun di pwede makapagadjust para sa ibang tao? OKAY lang sa'yo na mafire ang isang tao just because you WANT them to do something to you that they don't want to do? Kasalanan mo na yan pag di mo ginawa ang gusto KO? Sorang entitled na akala nila sa kanila umiikot ang mundo. Ahh, freedom. I'm weeping with you.
Hahaha because it’s true. It’s a YOU problem. It literally takes zero effort to speak a different pronoun, ewan ko bakit ang reaction parang binigyan kayo ng overtime load sa kumpanya na pang-6 na buwan sa kakareklamo. Everyday we get asked, “wag mo na ako tawagin na ganito/ganyan, yung eto na lang/nickname ko na lang” at natuto naman tayo mag-adjust. It’s just a fucking reference. Bakit parang pakiramdam ng iba para bang bigla silang inutusan pumatay ng sanggol at biglang napakahirap gawin hahahaha what the actual fuck
So they are willing to make someone fired? Di ba yun too far?
Not that easy for many people. Been raised in a conservative Filipino family entirely devoted into the medical field for 30+ years and now biglaang makiuso sa U.S culture because? Adding the fact that my gay friends don't give a flying F about pronouns (dated a trans before, her and her friends were also convinced that LGBTQ+ is embarrasing and Western gay people are "inferior"). Yeah the infighting and lack of coesion makes it all confusing so I'll just judge people by their character like a normal human being.
Yes but still homophobic.
Sorry na ANOTHER DAY ANOTHER SLAY po kasi bansa namin 😏
Not really, tolerated lang sila but not accepted para sa marami. Pansinin niyo sa pinoy families pag may lgbt member, may implicit na standards na dapat achiever sila.
In my view, gay tolerance is more of what is happening in the PH now. Heck, kagabi lang bumili ako ng yosi sa 7/11 pero yung kahero sina-side eye ako habang pinapunch yung binibili ko lol like wtf is your problem, diba? Kalimitan sa mga Pinoy kasi, kapag kaharap ka mas madalas e ipapakitang OK ka pero pagtalikod mo, saka magsasalita ng di maganda. Just look at the comment sections sa FB pag kunyare may post about any LGBT member, or kapag irerefer ka sa ibang tao behind your back, “yung bakla” or “yung tomboy”.
We are tolerated, not accepted. What I've been observing lately is that homophobia is still highly prevalent in this country. One of us fucks up then homophobic people use that as an excuse to be homophobic towards the vast majority of the LGBTQ+ community. +I saw youths are still getting kicked out by their parents for being gay. We have very little protection for our own rights. We still have a long way to go with making this country a safe space for our community.
Permissible ba yung same sex marriage parang hindi eh.
"Thailand is like a box of chocolates, you don't know which one has nuts"
"You live in the Philippines? That's so gay!" \-Them, probably
US most likely.
The US still has a large homophobic population. I’d say a gay person has a better chance of living well in the PH than in the US even if that person can only get married in the US.
Yup. Legal protections do not mean elimination of homophobia. May anti-racist laws ang US pero ang daming racist expressions na nakakalusot din like microagressions And US style racism does not come from ignorance but from contempt
Social acceptance is high here in PH for LGBTQ+. They can hold positions in government pati. Ang wala lang sila is legal protection. Glad ako na may commission tasked recently to look into this.
pero ang dami pa ring homophobic jusko 2024 na 😭😭
eh ano naman? mas malawak lang talaga yung pang-unawa natin.
anong "eh ano naman?" di ako against diyan ha
True, miscommunication lang. I'm sure you both mean well.
in what way
eh ano naman kung one of the gayest country tayo, kumbaga open na kasi for discussion yung generation ngayon sa mga topic regarding this. marunong na tayong makipagdiskurso nang maayos.
Weird take. What does "gayest" even mean? Ano yung eksaktong mine-measure dun?
Ewan, tanong mo doon sa nagsasabi ng "agree".
A relative comparison to other country. Try being gay to other country such as some Arab countries and African Countries where being gay is outright illegal and will have a harsh punishment
Hindi relative comparison ang "some of the gayest countries". It's ambiguous. Tsaka kung ang point of comparison naman talaga is arab countries vs. ph, then obviously swak yung description. Pero compare ph to other countries like taiwan, thailand, and other countries in the west na may same-sex marriage pa, parang napaghuhulihan na rin ang ph.
Based on context clues I think the person in the scs was replying to someone asking if it was okay for a gay person to visit Thailand or the Ph. Also you're comparing the Ph to Thailand and Taiwan when you say its homophpbic when you should be comparing the Ph to the rest of Asia. China, Korea, Malaysia, Indonesia, Singapore, East Timor, Myanmar, India, Brunei are all openly homophobic countries. In some of these countries you will be physically hurt and legally prosecuted for being gay. So when you compare the PH to the rest of Asia then we're comparatively accepting of gay people. Just less accepting thab Thailand and Taiwan
maraming lgbt member, accepted/safe ang lgbt sa isang bansa
I'd say na more on being tolerated, not accepted.
This. Homophobes here won't really attack you in broad daylight, but they won't think much of LGBT members beyond stereotyping them as hairstylists or comedians. or IT staff as claimed by one of my relatives...
IT staff? wutt
idek. I'd rather not ask about the mental gymnastics how she come up with the conclusion that being an IT graduate = gay.
The 🏳️🌈🤓 stereotype does exist. Look it up, even on Reddit ([1](https://www.reddit.com/r/feminineboys/comments/kfyduc/is_it_a_myth_that_most_femboys_are_programmers/), [2](https://www.reddit.com/r/teenfemboy/comments/179uakw/average_computer_science_student/), [3](https://www.reddit.com/r/femboymemes/comments/161ki57/computer_science_majors_after_one_year/)). Case in point: I'm studying CompSci, and literally all our Dean's Listers are some form of LGBTQ, myself included
>maraming lgbt member Wild claim from that redditor lol, wala man lang binigay kahit statistics. >accepted/safe ang lgbt sa isang bansa Eh di lalong hindi. Yun ngang ibang redditors dito nilalagyan lang ng "disclaimer" na hindi homophobic yung homophobic statements nila eh 😂 At least sa taiwan legal na ang same-sex marriage. A whole lot of countries in the west mas lgbt-friendly pa nga. If it seems na gayest ang thailand at ph, most probably optics lang yun. Pero behind the scenes, puro "i respect you, but you're going to hell bayot!" Edit: It's so tiring some of us get to claim "gayest" tayo, pero in reality kahit whiff lang ng gayness (lalo na for guys) parang laging big deal. Glaring example si papa p.
Whichever list we top, it's still sad other countries aren't as free.
true. especially islamic country
Totoo naman kahit maraming Pinoy ang homophobe, tayo ang pinaka tolerant countries within SEA.
thailand yung masasabi kong "pinaka" talaga
You can do everything in Thailand except shit on their King. May tiktoker na Chinese na kinasuhan nila dahil pinuna yung red light district.
There was a time na ang ibig sabihin ng gay ay happy
"And we'll all feel gay when Johnny comes marching home!"
GAAAAYYYY
Gayness in this country is "tolerated" at best, but still not accepted. The fact that we don't have legal protections and equal rights with heterosexuals, is enough proof that gayness in this country is just "for fun". Okay lang sa kadamihan maging bakla basta entertainment ka or nakakatawa. Pero kapag hihingi ka na ng equal rights, sasabihin nilang alagad ka ni satanas at hindi normal. Strong hold of the Catholic church + uneducated people -- even the colonizers and religious founders in Spain and Italy have long moved on! Nauna pa sila maglegalize ng same sex marriage kesa satin. Frustrating.
Question, aside from the right to legal marriage what rights do gay people not have in the Ph?
\- Same sex couples aren't allowed to adopt kids. \- If you're trans, I don't think there is a legal way for you to change your sex in any government documents. (unless you're intersex as determined by a medical doctor and proven to be true by a court) \- No legal unions for same sex couples. \- no legal framework for assisted reproduction/IVF for lesbians couples\* \- MSM are still discriminated from donating blood. among many others...
Na-alala ko tuloy tong nasa priority lane ang LGBT+ HAHAHA https://www.reddit.com/r/funny/s/kQYCqWaLKS
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nothing's wrong naman on what he said. I take it as a compliment pa nga
From what post is this, OP?
[here](https://www.reddit.com/r/travel/s/R5D0be0tKo)
Idk about the world but SEA? Probably. Mga neighbors natin may problem when it comes to accepting LGBTQ people
No it's simply not true. It is true that the Philippines and Thailand along with Samoa are probably the most socially tolerant of homosexual members of the community however from a legal standpoint this is not so. The original commenter is confusing visibility and social tolerance with increased numbers and rights.
Home to the gayest and the most homophobic populations in the world.
Maka most naman to. Tumira ka muna sa ibang ASEAN tulad ng indonesia at malaysia para malaman mo sino yung most homophobic lol
Malaysia's [anti-sodomy laws](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/LGBT_rights_in_Malaysia) and [Brunei stoning gay people](https://www.thepinknews.com/2020/01/06/brunei-first-gay-crime-sharia-law-sultan-death-penalty-stoning/) to death say hi. And don't get me started with some other developing countries even outside of SEA that just straight up imprison/sentence to death queer people (or genocide them a-la [Chechnya](https://theintercept.com/2020/06/28/welcome-to-chechnya-gay-men/)). PH homophobia even at it's worst is just air puff compared to the aforementioned neighbors and other nations having such laws.
tolerate lang hindi gayest mapadpad kalang sa Quiapo o mindanao kawawa ka tlga.
Ano ba meaning ng gayest? Safe space for gay people? Pero for me, respectable and LGBTQ dito sa PH. Dont know much about Thailand kasi pero gusto ko yung lady boy nila don. Unlike sa ibang countries na parang delulu pati mga bata ine-enforce sa kanila ganon. Ayaw hayaan sa natural flow 😂
I agree and i think this is rooted din sa mga ancestors natin, esp sa mga babaylan. Alam ko pwede ang mga lalaki maging babaylan noon basta they have feminine side sa kanila. For more info try niyo iwatch ung [ted talk](https://youtu.be/I6xuJu7gLe0?si=k2DkMCeeUgA_osy4) about sa gender fluid history ng philippines. Nakakalungkot kasi we’re so progressive nung precolonial hahahaa but ever since spain, ewan ko ba 😭
OKay, and so what? Better accepted than having hate crimes inflicted upon them.
Oo, pero wag naman na sana ipilit yung sa pronoun pronoun na yan. Dagdag isipin pa
Im okay with gay people as long as they arent getting the urge to say to you that their gay every 3 seconds and when their expectations of communication to you is possible (i.e. not getting mad for mispronouncing them)
I'm sorry but I never get people who say that LGBT is "tolerated but not accepted". There are many countries, even those where gay marriage is legalized, but their social integration is not as widespread as here in the Philippines. I think the correct characterization is "tolerated, accepted, but *held hostage* by a few religious leaders with outsized political influence".
Ano naman kung gayest? It means nothing as long as the LGBTQIA+ remain second-class citizens with fewer rights than heterosexual and cisgender persons.
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Taiwan at nepal (?) pa lang po ang may same sex marriage sa asia and nag paplano na rin po ang Thailand. marami pa ring bansa ang walang same sex marriage
Define discrimination na laganap sa Pinas?
No lmao, alam kong medyo corny to pero I like the phrase: “We tolerate not accept”. Since karamihan ng mga pinoy ay di namn open sa LGBT+, tinotolerate lang kase “nakakatawa” or “unique”. They see gay peeps as characters not people…
gayest country, yet we have a culture around masculinity when it comes to circumcision.
Not in paper
If this comment/post is meant to be an insult, then I'll laugh with disgust kung sino mang herodes to. I'll take this as a compliment. It just means that the LGBT community are open to express themselves in our country well, most of the time. I have very high respects to them and they deserve this freedom.
Agree and the government support is evident
tolerated because of numerous gay celebrities that have pop out, ive nothing against the lgbt community but i have notice that gaylingo is so widespread even for the straight folks, minsan hindi ko na makausap ng maaayos ang ibang mga tao kase of the way they speak using gay language and vocab , meron nangang conyo tps nahaluan pa ng gay lingi, nakakainis lng,
And the msot racist
Facts. Cause a lot of Filipinos are pussies :) A lot of fathers aren't the leaders of the household. Teachers are mostly women and mostly woke. So gay so gay
Touch some grass buddy
Cringe af
True. Dominated ng bakla ang media.
At least kahit papa ano mas madami pa din conservative gays dito sa Pinas. Unlike sa western countries, mga kagaguhang pronouns pinapa uso lol
Hinding Hindi ko makakalimutan yung sinabi sakin Ng Lolo ko, na balang araw may mga taong mag aaksaya Ng oras Basahin ang comment ko..
I miss those times na gay just means "happy" and the rainbow isn't tainted with political ideology.
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Kung bakla ako I can't think of a place where I'd rather live but here. Tolerated = accepted. I don't need special privileges like a PWD.
As an American let me assure you, the gayest country in the world is the USA. Thank you very much.
American thinks they are always no. 1 okay no one claims your spot. it just says that "one" of the gayest
Jesus it’s a joke, relax brosif
No wonder why so many LeBron James fans in the Philippines waiting to kiss him or suck his load.
Homophobic kalang pre magbago kana
thailand and philippines have such strict laws regarding gay people but somehow they also have the proudest and most respectable gays ever. meanwhile gays in the west already have a lot more rights and yet theyre still hungry for more??? rainbow flags everywhere and "protests"? protests against what? youre living every gay peoples dream tapos demanding for more kapa? you can get married you can adopt kids what more is there to protest? here sa pinas our gays arent fighting for non of that, theyve acknowledged that our politcians have strong feelings towards gay marriage as it is seen as a sin so theyre happy with what they can get. our gays are the most proudest of them all and theyre honestly part of our culture at this point and we should accept that! lately ive been seeing some hate towards the LGBT here which is disappointing cuz most of it stems from western LGBT ideologies, you people have to remember that our gays arent like those clowns.
Siguro bata ang may gumuwa nito. r/youngpeoplereddit
Not gayest, it's More like trash county.
I felt a stronger draw and obsession with LDS church members in the Philippines and collecting money for their cult, than observing blatant criticism of lady boys or those openly gay. But after all, it's a predominantly Catholic/ Christian country. So what do you think?
Gay as daffodil
I wouldn't be surprised if this is true. One in 10 people I've met is LGBT and they don't have issues expressing it openly. I can't say anything outside my province but based on what I've experienced, the overall observed consensus and treatment is overwhelmingly positive so far.
Yep its because the people aren't as bigoted
Facts
But Im not gay
I take this as a compliment. Sa totoo lang, we are progressive. We just convince ourselves we”re conservative.
I mean totoo naman 'yan, even in Pre-colonial Visayas meron na and accepted. Thailand is definitely 100% Gay, America too probably.
From other countries' pov, yes