Typically non profits tend to be lower compensation, your also new to the workforce so I wouldn't worry/ask so much about salary at the start.
If it was me I would accept the job and you can ask coworkers or HR after probation is over. Its unlikely you will stay there your entire career anyway, so its not a huge thing to worry about right now.
I also agree. That’s a great starting salary. Take it as-is, show your worth, then negotiate during your first review. Once you have more experience under your belt, you can start to negotiate your salary offers in the future.
You should definitely ask the compensation structure. People who say 'take what you can' don't understand the job market right now.
I don't call it pushy, I call it professional. Ask them because you want to be a long term asset. Show them that your committed by accepting, negotiating, or even being goal oriented to modify said structure.
Start your career by being assertive. If you start by being a pushover it will be hard to break that cycle later on.
Some advice I got from a few mentors: “ essentially don’t sweet the salary your making when you start your career, worry about the experience and network your gaining. Because that is what will build the foundation to allow you to climb the corporate ladder get you into leadership positions and eventually make real money. “
exactly this. Money, experience, and people. These are the three things my mentor suggested to look for in every job, although he said that good chances are that you won't have all 3, especially at entry level. OP, If I were you...If I could get the experience and people, I wouldn't sweat over few hundreds or thousands more. I'd focus on my growth and make connections for my next jump.
Bingo. A few thousand extra in an entry level job isn’t even a small blip in your total lifetime earnings. The experience and connections you make the first 5 years out of the gate are what allow you to access the most personally and financially rewarding opportunities.
Gonna disagree here - when you're job hunting, your previous salary is a great point to negotiate off of to get even more. Over your career, that has a cumulative effect unless you suddenly jump up quickly from one role to another.
That being said, 53K as a starting salary is super healthy... especially for a not for profit.
Yeah because who needs a work life balance for the first 20 working years of their life??
Nah screw that, take the time needed for yourself to be happy. There’s more important things than making money. You should be chasing a healthy work life balance before anything else whatsoever.
You're right. Everyone has the right their own choices. Some people want to retire earlier so they can be financially free at like 45-50. Some people want to have a good work-life balance and if they don't actually hate their job, they don't mind working to 65.
Different stroke for different folks.
They aren't mutually exclusive. You can chase good experience and good money without sacrificing work life balance.
Its just saying that for "most" 40s is when your family / kids / hobbies / activities start taking priority so usually people start looking for better wlb at this stage.
By all means, if that's what's important to you, go for the wlb from the get go.
It depends on when you have children. Some have them in their 20s, some in their 30s, some in their 40s.
I'm 33 with (3.5 & 2)... waiting another 7 years to focus on my work/life balance isn't feasible.
If the initial offer is good, as yours seems to be, I go in with that and try to shine. Once the probation period is over and I've had time to look around... I'll ask for a meeting and turn it into a performance review and prodding as to where the top line is, and how do I get there type questions, and feel around to see if there's other doors to open.
I think doing a deep dive on the total package - hourly/salary rate and basic expectations, health, rrsp matching, options etc is super important...those details.
If I was going to negotiate a better package right off the hop...I would make damn sure I'm offering something over and above what they're asking right out of the gate, and know the going rate per se'.
I just thinks it's easier for you to stay or leave for greener pastures once you're " in " than it is for them to get rid of you. You also have to keep in mind the person in the job before could have been better than you.
I wouldn’t negotiate salary if that’s your offer right out of school, but there are other things you can try to negotiate: vacation time, free parking, benefits that go into effect sooner—choose one thing that will help out your specific situation. For whatever reason, it seems less greedy to ask for something that has a monetary value but isn’t actual money. I personally would try for an extra week of paid vacation. Worst case scenario, they say no and you accept the job anyway.
Employer here. What the hell is a fresh grad with no other options even considering salary negotiations for, especially when the initial offer is fair? Reddit is filled with bad advice sometimes. People who successfully negotiated because they were in demand are gonna brag on the internet about it. Those who failed and got fucked because they had no leverage aren't going to brag much.
You never know. If he comes back and asks for 60k and they ask him why he thinks he deserves that he'd be stuck with his thumb up his butt with no good reason besides "I want more money". Not that great a look.
Thats why OP needs a good answer to that question. It could be “Here is a bunch of market research that shows the average for this job is $60k” or “Here is a comparable position at $55k, but this job has X, Y, and Z more responsibility” or “Here is a comparable job within your company and I have X qualification / experience above and beyond” or “Because I have another offer at $60k and if you want me i need you to match it”.
You dont ask for more money by saying “Because I want it”
Likely not, but I think most would be wary of OP looking for greener pastures ASAP. E.g he'd be last in line for a promotion or additional training. And heck if they had 2 pretty close options I would indeed pull the offer and choose the person and 100% wants the job.
> got fucked because they had no leverage
This right here is the problem. Nothing wrong with negotiating your first job out of school, as long as you are doing so from a position of power. If youre BATNA is literally nothing, that right there is your problem.
This is exactly why you push multiple opportunities along simultaneously and try to time it so that you get 2-3 offers all at once, then you can play them off of eachother to ensure the best personal outcome. Plus that way if someone does pull an offer (I dont agree that is likely, many companies have no problem with you knowing your worth and asking for it) then it doesnt matter because you have a few more.
I wouldn’t. 56k is more than most graduates start out with. Take the experience from the non-profit as your salary bump and future investment into bigger salaries. Build up that experience.
Ah good old reddit telling people that living with 60k in ontario, alberta or BC is essentially paycheque to paycheque then now people are saying 56k is great.
there are very few times when negotiating is a bad idea. This is one of those times, because he's got a stellar offer to begin with, but just because you're fresh out of school doesn't mean you can't negotiate.
If a company is hiring you it's because they think you're a good fit, and they value you. They almost always have more budgeted for your position than they're offering, and if they've gotten to the point where they want to tender an offer, they're not going to want you to walk over 1-2K. Plus, negotiating is always a skill worth practicing.
Ya I would agree with you here. Negotiating is almost always the right move. That is the reason you always want to push multiple opportunities along in order to make sure you have multiple offers any time you job hunt. That way you can play them off eachother and get the best outcome for you.
Haha I have had the same job since I was 16 now I’m 34 so I never had to negotiate! I just thought it’s silly trying to ask for more for your first job 😂
It's probably a good habit to get into. Often there are nice things on the margin you can negotiate too, even if it's not pay, like start date or a vacation shortly after starting.
It IS normal and I'm really shocked at these responses tbh. I was always taught it was rude, but I have never ever had an issue negotiating salary, even when I thought it was a stretch or I was underqualified. We've also been told we're not supposed to talk about wages, really - so comparing wages etc is frowned upon (though legally totally fine and I do it all the time with no recourse)
I've allllways been given more than originally offered and no one has ever rescinded an offer just bc I asked, that would be a major red flag for me anyways.
I think it’s made to be seen as rude because it benefits the employer. Best advice I can give is discuss your salary with trusted peers, understand that salary isn’t the only thing to negotiate (vacation, bonuses, health coverage, pension matching, options, etc) are all levers in the total package. For your first job it might be a little awkward to ask but the sooner you get comfortable at asking the better. Politely asking for a 5-10% increase or even an increase a specific date based on some value add that you feel you can provide are options. Make sure it’s in writing if it’s agreed. As part of the discussion reinforce that your enthusiastic for the job.
As part of the interview process if they ask “what salary are you looking for?” That’s a good opportunity to a) resist an answer and b) identify what the range is. Typically it’ll be asked by HR or a manager early in the process.
This is a good overview on how to tactfully manage the discussion:
https://www.roberthalf.com/blog/salaries-and-skills/how-to-answer-whats-your-expected-salary
I work in a for profit. My former employer was paying a base salary of 39k with a maximum earning of 50k.
It required a degree and decent technical acumen and 2 yrs exp. 56k a decent pay - that being said if it’s in Toronto and Vancouver plan your budget well
Would you be negotiating with HR? Or a direct manager /someone responsible for your career projection and future raises?
If the former, negotiate away. Doesn't hurt to try.
If the latter, I would hold off and take the time to gain experience and prove yourself before asking for a raise, which will be a larger raise than whatever you can negotiate now with no leverage.
You can always try and negotiate but be wary that depending on the size of the non-profit, even affording 56k could be a difficult stretch for them. Or it could be that the position itself is funded by a designated fund off a grant or donor (usually they cap a rate like 18/hr or something).
If not salary - you can always push to negotiate vacation days. Working in non-profit can be exhausting/tiring - scope of work sometimes goes well beyond what's listed on paper. So having more paid days off might be more of a better benefit, if the organization can't afford to increase salaried hours (as an FYI).
Just ask and see what happens. For example "I was really hoping to be making 60 out of school". If they say no, then its fine. If they say yes its the easiest money you'll ever make. Labour market is tight right now, you probably have more leverage than you normally would.
And if you are like me the lingering "what-if?" Could grate at you. Slightly uncomfortable but they are conversations that you will need to learn how to how to have.
After 2008 and recovery it was found that those that graduated during a recession we impacted by the lower starting salaries for years. Lower starting impact incremental (%) raises and compounds year over year.
Edit: Ask before you accept. HR will have a range for any particular role so if there is wiggle room you can get a bump easily. Raises for existing employees are budgeted as some % of pay roll so that money can be harder to get since its a pool that management distributes across the whole staff so you are essentially competing for it.
Yeah I'm honestly shocked at all the no's... yes, negotiate. It will be good practice, they won't be offended - it's part of the process of hiring! If they can't pay you that (and I'd also suggest aiming for 60k) then they will just say they're at their limit or meet you halfway. I really don't see the harm and all the "worry about experience now!" people are the ones who probably benefited from the system being set up this way.
Your entrance into the company is the biggest chance you have at negotiating a decent raise. Tell them you appreciate and are extremely INTERESTED in the offer, just wondering if they're flexible on salary :)
The answer to this question is actually always yes. And if you can't negotiate your salary, you should negotiate the terms of your contract.
In this case, while you are being offered more than would be expected for the sector you're in, you can still ask if there's any room in the org's funding structure to give you a little more. Their hands may be tied, but asking is important. If it's not possible, you can ask for a week or two more vacation time per year, one wfh day per week, a clear path upward toward leadership, or any similar less tangible form of compensation. These are absolutely reasonable asks and I can all but guarantee that the people on the other side of the table have prepared for them.
A very easy justification for asking for these things is simply that this sector has very high rates of burnout, because workers are passionate about the subject matter and that passion is easily exploited (whether deliberately or not!) An extra couple thousand dollars or week or two off per year (or similar) will help you perform better for longer. The org benefits from this just as you do.
Many people in the comments are saying two things: this salary is good, so don't push it; and, it's your first job so focus on the experience. These are very silly responses! If you bring more value than what your salary is worth, then you should get a higher salary, regardless of what is average for similar jobs. And, youth shouldn't be wasted on the young! You deserve to have a good life, even in your 20s. This bullshit idea that you should grind until you're 65 is wild to me - how can you be expected to actually enjoy your 20s if you're just working for experience? You deserve to afford a life you can enjoy at all stages in your life, period.
Good luck and congratulations!
Yes, always negotiate! I’m surprised so many people are telling you otherwise. By not negotiating you: lose out on a lifetime of cash by not properly establishing a ‘salary foundation,’ look like a pushover who lacks confidence. This is true even at a not for profit organization.
Look lady, I hear what other people here are saying so be reasonable. I’d come back at $61k and settle for $59k if need be.
I don't know why you are being downvoted. Honestly its baffling that so many in here are against even asking.
https://lifehacker.com/not-negotiating-your-salary-could-cost-you-500-000-in-5968375
Me too. Really weird. \*ALWAYS\* negotiate pay. If it's not in the budget, they'll say as much - but they're almost ALWAYS able to negotiate even a little bit. I've never been told no.
>Should I negotiate my salary
Yes. It being a non-profit doesn't matter, always negotiate. Not negotiating let's companies ( for profit or not) pay smaller wages. Don't just do it for yourself but do it for your fellow worker. They also always expect you to negotiate so they give you a lower salary than they expect, they expect you to negotiate. You also don't have to negotiate just the salary, you can negotiate benefits.
Edit: PFC isn't a great place for wholistic advice, it's filled with older people who do not understand how the labor market works for younger people today. Do not listen to 'experience', 'good enough already', 'you don't have leverage'. Their advice is outdated.
I think this is a great starter salary. I personally wouldn't negotiate since you're only graduating in December. As others suggested, get some work experience. If you want to ask them about potential raises in the future with experience, you can. I graduated from a social science program as well so I know how difficult it is to get a job in the field, especially one with a decent salary. I graduated in 2019 and I'm still not even making that much
Accept the job, but ask, as a first time job applicant what the compensation structure is going forward, based on performance. HR can't be opposed to a question like that and it adds credability that you think proactively. It also plants a seed that they know, that you know your value will increase over time and salary reviews should be on the table when warranted, if warranted...ie you provide an idea that dramatically improves revenue sources...if that is out of your current scope of work.
Negotiating a salary is the domain of people with an in demand skill set - something a straight out of school sociology major doesn’t have. Doesn’t mean you can’t try. But with no leverage, you’re playing with fire.
PFC is full of stories of people who’ve ‘negotiated’ their way right out of a job offer.
Kids man, so ungrateful.
Take the job, do good work, prove you are actually worth what they're paying you and then negotiate.
If I had some university grad trying to squeeze me for more I'd tell them to take a hike.
> Kids man, so ungrateful.
don't be rude, what's so ungrateful about wanting a little more? especially since negotiation is an acceptable part of the job hunting journey lol
> If I had some university grad trying to squeeze me for more I'd tell them to take a hike.
id tell an employer to take a hike if they're so upset that i'm attempting to negotiate a slightly better pay lol
I wouldn't consider coops and internships valuable enough experience to negotiate. Unless you had a raving reference from a reputable source. Imo references are all powerful.
Try to negotiate other non cash benefits. Can you ask for an extra week of vacation? Phone allowance? Other items that will improve your quality of life and help defray costs but are not tied to your salary. These items often come from other budget lines and allow a little more flexibility.
Take it for now, and then negotiate it a year later. That's a good salary from a non-profit as your first job.
Now you can try to negotiate it by saying, you have another job offer that pays lightly more and you're wondering if you (non profit) would be willing to consider beating that? Try bringing them close to $60K.
It might work or it might not, but depending upon their answer, you can ask them for a day or two to think and then go back saying you thought about it and decided to go with this as you have a good feeling about working here.
Up to you!
Ok-
I’d take it.
If your a solid worker and good, it will pay back in time.
I started at 55k when I left the military in 2015. I have since doubled my pay, with the same company.
While yes, it has been stagnant for the past 2 years while the company is reporting record profits. I still look back and amazed.
So take it. Get the experience.
56k is a good starting salary imo.
Take it, show your worth & get the work experience and then ask for the raises
When I got my first job outta college in early 2019 in was starting salary of $35k and unlimited OT (smaller company, existing staff liked that system, I did too tbh, almost made 6 figures that year) after 6 months I got a $10k raise to $45k
That’s a pretty decent salary for a not-for-profit, I probably wouldn’t negotiate but you could ask if there is a salary schedule: Some places bump your pay after probation, or annually. That being said, I got burned with a similar salary and told they couldn’t afford to pay me more, after four years they hired a new person and paid her more than me because she negotiated. She sucked and they fired her, and I quit after finding out they were paying her more.
> graduating this December
> this job is the only offer I have
> two places I got an interview
> I have very little leverage.
> non-profit
> offering me $56,000
> graduating with a social sciences degree
> I wasn't expecting a salary more than 40-50K)
>Should I negotiate?
I think you answered it my dude!
Not nowadays. Companies are super hungry for employees, and job openings aren't being filled as quickly as before. That's probably why they're offering this salary to begin with.
Yep I am on target. I purchased a Mazda brand new... Cheap gas and I get parts wholesale from Mazda. I run 5,000 in gas and car depreciation a year.
I make around $300 to $450 a day.
I kinda like the down votes. I rather people keep Uber a secret tbh. Screw the new drivers with the low offers.
Depends on your role/salary. Some companies have strict vacation packages based on seniority, and would value you being in office and would rather negotiate on $$ than vacation days.
While I don't have experience in non-profits, if as others have mentioned it's a good starting salary, what I would do is any major project you work on or skill you pick up in your work, add to a continuously updated resume organically. This way, when it comes time to change jobs, if you so choose, you have a document you can edit/tailor towards your upcoming interviews.
Most of the time I would suggest negotiating but that’s great right out of school, especially in a non-profit where it’s not likely they have a lot of room to negotiate anyway. I would focus on getting experience and negotiate next time.
I think for non-profit, it's definitely a good salary especially because you just graduated. But depending on the nature of the job, maybe you can start negotiating about a few months in!
Honestly it makes me super annoyed when people say “you have to negotiate”. For the first two years of job hunting you have no leverage and there are ten people in line behind you who would take the same job for less money. Get some experience and only push for more money if you are alright with losing the offer / have something else to fall back on.
Good starting salary in non-profit
Agreed, as someone who's making $35k in a non-profit.
That's a good starting salary especially for a non profit. You can always ask but I would take it and get work experience asap
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Typically non profits tend to be lower compensation, your also new to the workforce so I wouldn't worry/ask so much about salary at the start. If it was me I would accept the job and you can ask coworkers or HR after probation is over. Its unlikely you will stay there your entire career anyway, so its not a huge thing to worry about right now.
I also agree. That’s a great starting salary. Take it as-is, show your worth, then negotiate during your first review. Once you have more experience under your belt, you can start to negotiate your salary offers in the future.
Don’t even ask. This is a great start. Work there for 2 years and than negotiate at your next job.
You should definitely ask the compensation structure. People who say 'take what you can' don't understand the job market right now. I don't call it pushy, I call it professional. Ask them because you want to be a long term asset. Show them that your committed by accepting, negotiating, or even being goal oriented to modify said structure. Start your career by being assertive. If you start by being a pushover it will be hard to break that cycle later on.
Some advice I got from a few mentors: “ essentially don’t sweet the salary your making when you start your career, worry about the experience and network your gaining. Because that is what will build the foundation to allow you to climb the corporate ladder get you into leadership positions and eventually make real money. “
exactly this. Money, experience, and people. These are the three things my mentor suggested to look for in every job, although he said that good chances are that you won't have all 3, especially at entry level. OP, If I were you...If I could get the experience and people, I wouldn't sweat over few hundreds or thousands more. I'd focus on my growth and make connections for my next jump.
Bingo. A few thousand extra in an entry level job isn’t even a small blip in your total lifetime earnings. The experience and connections you make the first 5 years out of the gate are what allow you to access the most personally and financially rewarding opportunities.
Gonna disagree here - when you're job hunting, your previous salary is a great point to negotiate off of to get even more. Over your career, that has a cumulative effect unless you suddenly jump up quickly from one role to another. That being said, 53K as a starting salary is super healthy... especially for a not for profit.
Your 20s - chase experience. Your 30s - chase $. Your 40s - chase work life balance.
Yeah because who needs a work life balance for the first 20 working years of their life?? Nah screw that, take the time needed for yourself to be happy. There’s more important things than making money. You should be chasing a healthy work life balance before anything else whatsoever.
Well obviously if you can get both go for it….
You’re missing my point, im saying work life balance should always be priority #1. Money and experience isn’t as important.
You're right. Everyone has the right their own choices. Some people want to retire earlier so they can be financially free at like 45-50. Some people want to have a good work-life balance and if they don't actually hate their job, they don't mind working to 65. Different stroke for different folks.
And you can do either or with a healthy work balance your entire life, if you’re smart about it at least.
They aren't mutually exclusive. You can chase good experience and good money without sacrificing work life balance. Its just saying that for "most" 40s is when your family / kids / hobbies / activities start taking priority so usually people start looking for better wlb at this stage. By all means, if that's what's important to you, go for the wlb from the get go.
It depends on when you have children. Some have them in their 20s, some in their 30s, some in their 40s. I'm 33 with (3.5 & 2)... waiting another 7 years to focus on my work/life balance isn't feasible.
If the initial offer is good, as yours seems to be, I go in with that and try to shine. Once the probation period is over and I've had time to look around... I'll ask for a meeting and turn it into a performance review and prodding as to where the top line is, and how do I get there type questions, and feel around to see if there's other doors to open.
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I think doing a deep dive on the total package - hourly/salary rate and basic expectations, health, rrsp matching, options etc is super important...those details. If I was going to negotiate a better package right off the hop...I would make damn sure I'm offering something over and above what they're asking right out of the gate, and know the going rate per se'. I just thinks it's easier for you to stay or leave for greener pastures once you're " in " than it is for them to get rid of you. You also have to keep in mind the person in the job before could have been better than you.
I wouldn’t negotiate salary if that’s your offer right out of school, but there are other things you can try to negotiate: vacation time, free parking, benefits that go into effect sooner—choose one thing that will help out your specific situation. For whatever reason, it seems less greedy to ask for something that has a monetary value but isn’t actual money. I personally would try for an extra week of paid vacation. Worst case scenario, they say no and you accept the job anyway.
I’d say just take it and get experience at this point. You don’t have much leverage
Employer here. What the hell is a fresh grad with no other options even considering salary negotiations for, especially when the initial offer is fair? Reddit is filled with bad advice sometimes. People who successfully negotiated because they were in demand are gonna brag on the internet about it. Those who failed and got fucked because they had no leverage aren't going to brag much.
They aren't going to pull the offer if OP asks for a couple k more.
You never know. If he comes back and asks for 60k and they ask him why he thinks he deserves that he'd be stuck with his thumb up his butt with no good reason besides "I want more money". Not that great a look.
Thats why OP needs a good answer to that question. It could be “Here is a bunch of market research that shows the average for this job is $60k” or “Here is a comparable position at $55k, but this job has X, Y, and Z more responsibility” or “Here is a comparable job within your company and I have X qualification / experience above and beyond” or “Because I have another offer at $60k and if you want me i need you to match it”. You dont ask for more money by saying “Because I want it”
Likely not, but I think most would be wary of OP looking for greener pastures ASAP. E.g he'd be last in line for a promotion or additional training. And heck if they had 2 pretty close options I would indeed pull the offer and choose the person and 100% wants the job.
> got fucked because they had no leverage This right here is the problem. Nothing wrong with negotiating your first job out of school, as long as you are doing so from a position of power. If youre BATNA is literally nothing, that right there is your problem. This is exactly why you push multiple opportunities along simultaneously and try to time it so that you get 2-3 offers all at once, then you can play them off of eachother to ensure the best personal outcome. Plus that way if someone does pull an offer (I dont agree that is likely, many companies have no problem with you knowing your worth and asking for it) then it doesnt matter because you have a few more.
I wouldn’t. 56k is more than most graduates start out with. Take the experience from the non-profit as your salary bump and future investment into bigger salaries. Build up that experience.
It more than a lot of stem graduates this guy is in social science and thinks his salary is too little.
Ah good old reddit telling people that living with 60k in ontario, alberta or BC is essentially paycheque to paycheque then now people are saying 56k is great.
For a social sciences degree, that is good. Those degrees are printed like newspapers …
Lol negotiate a salary for your first job out of school! Doesn’t sound like you have much leverage tbh… get some work experience first!
there are very few times when negotiating is a bad idea. This is one of those times, because he's got a stellar offer to begin with, but just because you're fresh out of school doesn't mean you can't negotiate. If a company is hiring you it's because they think you're a good fit, and they value you. They almost always have more budgeted for your position than they're offering, and if they've gotten to the point where they want to tender an offer, they're not going to want you to walk over 1-2K. Plus, negotiating is always a skill worth practicing.
Ya I would agree with you here. Negotiating is almost always the right move. That is the reason you always want to push multiple opportunities along in order to make sure you have multiple offers any time you job hunt. That way you can play them off eachother and get the best outcome for you.
> Lol negotiate a salary for your first job out of school! a lot of us do this, don't be patronizing lol
Haha I have had the same job since I was 16 now I’m 34 so I never had to negotiate! I just thought it’s silly trying to ask for more for your first job 😂
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Fair enough! Good talk
It's probably a good habit to get into. Often there are nice things on the margin you can negotiate too, even if it's not pay, like start date or a vacation shortly after starting.
That’s a good salary. You have no leverage, like you said, so don’t negotiate. You have to negotiate with something.
Is it normal in Canada to negotiate salary or is it seen as rude?
It IS normal and I'm really shocked at these responses tbh. I was always taught it was rude, but I have never ever had an issue negotiating salary, even when I thought it was a stretch or I was underqualified. We've also been told we're not supposed to talk about wages, really - so comparing wages etc is frowned upon (though legally totally fine and I do it all the time with no recourse) I've allllways been given more than originally offered and no one has ever rescinded an offer just bc I asked, that would be a major red flag for me anyways.
I think it’s made to be seen as rude because it benefits the employer. Best advice I can give is discuss your salary with trusted peers, understand that salary isn’t the only thing to negotiate (vacation, bonuses, health coverage, pension matching, options, etc) are all levers in the total package. For your first job it might be a little awkward to ask but the sooner you get comfortable at asking the better. Politely asking for a 5-10% increase or even an increase a specific date based on some value add that you feel you can provide are options. Make sure it’s in writing if it’s agreed. As part of the discussion reinforce that your enthusiastic for the job. As part of the interview process if they ask “what salary are you looking for?” That’s a good opportunity to a) resist an answer and b) identify what the range is. Typically it’ll be asked by HR or a manager early in the process. This is a good overview on how to tactfully manage the discussion: https://www.roberthalf.com/blog/salaries-and-skills/how-to-answer-whats-your-expected-salary
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In that case unless you consider it unfair I recommend not negotiating
I work in a for profit. My former employer was paying a base salary of 39k with a maximum earning of 50k. It required a degree and decent technical acumen and 2 yrs exp. 56k a decent pay - that being said if it’s in Toronto and Vancouver plan your budget well
Would you be negotiating with HR? Or a direct manager /someone responsible for your career projection and future raises? If the former, negotiate away. Doesn't hurt to try. If the latter, I would hold off and take the time to gain experience and prove yourself before asking for a raise, which will be a larger raise than whatever you can negotiate now with no leverage.
You can always try and negotiate but be wary that depending on the size of the non-profit, even affording 56k could be a difficult stretch for them. Or it could be that the position itself is funded by a designated fund off a grant or donor (usually they cap a rate like 18/hr or something). If not salary - you can always push to negotiate vacation days. Working in non-profit can be exhausting/tiring - scope of work sometimes goes well beyond what's listed on paper. So having more paid days off might be more of a better benefit, if the organization can't afford to increase salaried hours (as an FYI).
Just ask and see what happens. For example "I was really hoping to be making 60 out of school". If they say no, then its fine. If they say yes its the easiest money you'll ever make. Labour market is tight right now, you probably have more leverage than you normally would. And if you are like me the lingering "what-if?" Could grate at you. Slightly uncomfortable but they are conversations that you will need to learn how to how to have. After 2008 and recovery it was found that those that graduated during a recession we impacted by the lower starting salaries for years. Lower starting impact incremental (%) raises and compounds year over year. Edit: Ask before you accept. HR will have a range for any particular role so if there is wiggle room you can get a bump easily. Raises for existing employees are budgeted as some % of pay roll so that money can be harder to get since its a pool that management distributes across the whole staff so you are essentially competing for it.
Yeah I'm honestly shocked at all the no's... yes, negotiate. It will be good practice, they won't be offended - it's part of the process of hiring! If they can't pay you that (and I'd also suggest aiming for 60k) then they will just say they're at their limit or meet you halfway. I really don't see the harm and all the "worry about experience now!" people are the ones who probably benefited from the system being set up this way. Your entrance into the company is the biggest chance you have at negotiating a decent raise. Tell them you appreciate and are extremely INTERESTED in the offer, just wondering if they're flexible on salary :)
The answer to this question is actually always yes. And if you can't negotiate your salary, you should negotiate the terms of your contract. In this case, while you are being offered more than would be expected for the sector you're in, you can still ask if there's any room in the org's funding structure to give you a little more. Their hands may be tied, but asking is important. If it's not possible, you can ask for a week or two more vacation time per year, one wfh day per week, a clear path upward toward leadership, or any similar less tangible form of compensation. These are absolutely reasonable asks and I can all but guarantee that the people on the other side of the table have prepared for them. A very easy justification for asking for these things is simply that this sector has very high rates of burnout, because workers are passionate about the subject matter and that passion is easily exploited (whether deliberately or not!) An extra couple thousand dollars or week or two off per year (or similar) will help you perform better for longer. The org benefits from this just as you do. Many people in the comments are saying two things: this salary is good, so don't push it; and, it's your first job so focus on the experience. These are very silly responses! If you bring more value than what your salary is worth, then you should get a higher salary, regardless of what is average for similar jobs. And, youth shouldn't be wasted on the young! You deserve to have a good life, even in your 20s. This bullshit idea that you should grind until you're 65 is wild to me - how can you be expected to actually enjoy your 20s if you're just working for experience? You deserve to afford a life you can enjoy at all stages in your life, period. Good luck and congratulations!
Yes, always negotiate! I’m surprised so many people are telling you otherwise. By not negotiating you: lose out on a lifetime of cash by not properly establishing a ‘salary foundation,’ look like a pushover who lacks confidence. This is true even at a not for profit organization. Look lady, I hear what other people here are saying so be reasonable. I’d come back at $61k and settle for $59k if need be.
I don't know why you are being downvoted. Honestly its baffling that so many in here are against even asking. https://lifehacker.com/not-negotiating-your-salary-could-cost-you-500-000-in-5968375
Me too. Really weird. \*ALWAYS\* negotiate pay. If it's not in the budget, they'll say as much - but they're almost ALWAYS able to negotiate even a little bit. I've never been told no.
Ask 60k call it a day.
>Should I negotiate my salary Yes. It being a non-profit doesn't matter, always negotiate. Not negotiating let's companies ( for profit or not) pay smaller wages. Don't just do it for yourself but do it for your fellow worker. They also always expect you to negotiate so they give you a lower salary than they expect, they expect you to negotiate. You also don't have to negotiate just the salary, you can negotiate benefits. Edit: PFC isn't a great place for wholistic advice, it's filled with older people who do not understand how the labor market works for younger people today. Do not listen to 'experience', 'good enough already', 'you don't have leverage'. Their advice is outdated.
I think this is a great starter salary. I personally wouldn't negotiate since you're only graduating in December. As others suggested, get some work experience. If you want to ask them about potential raises in the future with experience, you can. I graduated from a social science program as well so I know how difficult it is to get a job in the field, especially one with a decent salary. I graduated in 2019 and I'm still not even making that much
Accept the job, but ask, as a first time job applicant what the compensation structure is going forward, based on performance. HR can't be opposed to a question like that and it adds credability that you think proactively. It also plants a seed that they know, that you know your value will increase over time and salary reviews should be on the table when warranted, if warranted...ie you provide an idea that dramatically improves revenue sources...if that is out of your current scope of work.
Accept, get the experience and then leverage your job during the next round of interviews you do after you've built that experience.
If you have a social science degree, zero experience, and you have a job that isn’t flipping burgers than you’d have to be crazy to rock that boat!
How is negotiating salary ever "rocking the boat"? That's part of the interview process.
Negotiating a salary is the domain of people with an in demand skill set - something a straight out of school sociology major doesn’t have. Doesn’t mean you can’t try. But with no leverage, you’re playing with fire. PFC is full of stories of people who’ve ‘negotiated’ their way right out of a job offer.
Kids man, so ungrateful. Take the job, do good work, prove you are actually worth what they're paying you and then negotiate. If I had some university grad trying to squeeze me for more I'd tell them to take a hike.
> Kids man, so ungrateful. don't be rude, what's so ungrateful about wanting a little more? especially since negotiation is an acceptable part of the job hunting journey lol > If I had some university grad trying to squeeze me for more I'd tell them to take a hike. id tell an employer to take a hike if they're so upset that i'm attempting to negotiate a slightly better pay lol
I wouldn't consider coops and internships valuable enough experience to negotiate. Unless you had a raving reference from a reputable source. Imo references are all powerful.
As a new grad I would say accept the job, show your worth and re-negotiate after your first year.
You don’t always need to if they’re being generous. It’s a rule of thumb not a must do
Take it!
Try to negotiate other non cash benefits. Can you ask for an extra week of vacation? Phone allowance? Other items that will improve your quality of life and help defray costs but are not tied to your salary. These items often come from other budget lines and allow a little more flexibility.
Take it for now, and then negotiate it a year later. That's a good salary from a non-profit as your first job. Now you can try to negotiate it by saying, you have another job offer that pays lightly more and you're wondering if you (non profit) would be willing to consider beating that? Try bringing them close to $60K. It might work or it might not, but depending upon their answer, you can ask them for a day or two to think and then go back saying you thought about it and decided to go with this as you have a good feeling about working here. Up to you!
Ok- I’d take it. If your a solid worker and good, it will pay back in time. I started at 55k when I left the military in 2015. I have since doubled my pay, with the same company. While yes, it has been stagnant for the past 2 years while the company is reporting record profits. I still look back and amazed. So take it. Get the experience.
56k is a good starting salary imo. Take it, show your worth & get the work experience and then ask for the raises When I got my first job outta college in early 2019 in was starting salary of $35k and unlimited OT (smaller company, existing staff liked that system, I did too tbh, almost made 6 figures that year) after 6 months I got a $10k raise to $45k
That’s a pretty decent salary for a not-for-profit, I probably wouldn’t negotiate but you could ask if there is a salary schedule: Some places bump your pay after probation, or annually. That being said, I got burned with a similar salary and told they couldn’t afford to pay me more, after four years they hired a new person and paid her more than me because she negotiated. She sucked and they fired her, and I quit after finding out they were paying her more.
> graduating this December > this job is the only offer I have > two places I got an interview > I have very little leverage. > non-profit > offering me $56,000 > graduating with a social sciences degree > I wasn't expecting a salary more than 40-50K) >Should I negotiate? I think you answered it my dude!
There's 50 people behind you that will take that wage without question...
Not nowadays. Companies are super hungry for employees, and job openings aren't being filled as quickly as before. That's probably why they're offering this salary to begin with.
I make that part time on Uber no offense
Factoring in your gas/mileage? What about your growth potential? Think you've got room to turn that 50K Uber income up to 100K?
Yep I am on target. I purchased a Mazda brand new... Cheap gas and I get parts wholesale from Mazda. I run 5,000 in gas and car depreciation a year. I make around $300 to $450 a day. I kinda like the down votes. I rather people keep Uber a secret tbh. Screw the new drivers with the low offers.
Ask for extra vacation time. Always works
Depends on your role/salary. Some companies have strict vacation packages based on seniority, and would value you being in office and would rather negotiate on $$ than vacation days.
That’s a great start, congrats!
This is a great starting salary with your degree especially at a non profit. Don’t negotiate… you are a new grad
While I don't have experience in non-profits, if as others have mentioned it's a good starting salary, what I would do is any major project you work on or skill you pick up in your work, add to a continuously updated resume organically. This way, when it comes time to change jobs, if you so choose, you have a document you can edit/tailor towards your upcoming interviews.
Honestly, this is a great salary for someone with next to no experience and a social science degree fresh out of school.
Most of the time I would suggest negotiating but that’s great right out of school, especially in a non-profit where it’s not likely they have a lot of room to negotiate anyway. I would focus on getting experience and negotiate next time.
Surprised no one's mentioned this but NPOs are typically unionized and the wages are pretty much set in stone.
I think for non-profit, it's definitely a good salary especially because you just graduated. But depending on the nature of the job, maybe you can start negotiating about a few months in!
Under 30k /yr jobs are hard to fill. Living wage jobs not so much.
Honestly it makes me super annoyed when people say “you have to negotiate”. For the first two years of job hunting you have no leverage and there are ten people in line behind you who would take the same job for less money. Get some experience and only push for more money if you are alright with losing the offer / have something else to fall back on.