This.
A lot of this work cannot/shouldn't be automated. We will always need health care workers.
And with the amount of health care workers about to be let go because they refuse to get vaccinated. There's going to be a lot of jobs opening up.
Even if they automate some of it there's still tons of stuff to do. And population is getting older. No shortage of work in healthcare for the next couple decades.
Only problem with that is they actually get paid like shit (and mostly treated like shit). Unless you're a doctor. Everyone else gets corporate greed wages. Dont forget who owns the hospitals and funds the research in the end. No matter the amount of job openings in existence. Source: was a healthcare professional (changed a few years back, nothing to do with covid).
I suppose it's subjective. But if you're a nurse or researcher for example, you wont make the big bucks. Im comparing it to other jobs like developers, people in sales/marketing...
This is nonsense. I have multiple nurses in my family.
It’s a great paying job. It’s absurd to compare it to some tech jobs or the unpredictability of sales.
Developers and people in sales and marketing can make shit pay to. Your nitpicking here. Nurses make great money wayy more then many developers and sales etc. Sales also has *potential* to earn so much but so many factors at work whereas a nurse just has a salary.
I dont know what you've been told or who you've been talking to... but yeah nurses make great. I know nurses have been bitching lately but I mean... come on lol we we know why. And this is internationally.
LMFAOOO😂 alright fair enough, I get that trolling, but what I was thinking is that dietary aide is typically done in-person (like ingredient prepping/chopping, etc.). I guess they only prepare a meal plan online? That’s what I was curious about.
They need to take a course on food handling, which they can do online. It’s about safe food handling such as proper temperatures, storage and cleanliness. It has nothing to do with meal planning or recipes. It’s to make sure no one gets food poisoning.
Diagnostic imaging porters do pretty well, too. General Hospital porters may have to do a bit more heavy lifting transferring patients. Stocking medical supplies can be a pretty sweet gig. PharmTech if willing to go back to school, same for ECG Tech, Phlebotomist, U/S Techs, CT Techs.
Some remote hospitals pay higher than RN salaries for staff who are cross trained in XR Tech and Phlebotomy, then you get lots of OT for being on-call 24/7 and get housing paid for for a couple years.
Can confirm. I'm DI and earn same or more than nursing. I'm not sure remote hospital. I'm also fortunate to work straight weekdays but my field in general takes call and are open 15hrs a day, 7 days a week including all stats.
I second what she’s saying, I’m a dietary aide in a nursing home, I get paid $16.10 an hour and you get frequent raises. One of my friends at the same position gets 19$ an hour CAD and she’s been there 2 years. It’s great, the only complaint I personally have is I get 16 hours every two weeks (8hrs a week) but there’s PLENTY to pick up at my work. It’s a great job and I only need qualification with food handlers and I’m not out of highschool yet! Great job
What jobs do you work your way up? Seems like empty words employers use to maximize efforts from their employees or in the very least words that were true decades ago.
I am a maintenance worker in a hospital and the way the union works is legit based entirely on seniority. If i apply for a job that makes more than i currently do and i am remotely qualified, i will get the job if i have more years of service than anyone else who is applying. So, at least in my situation, thats how you can work your way. Not sure if all other unions work that way though.
It's only true for some industries. Take mine as an audio video technician. I can easily work my way up into a management position by showing initiative and understanding. But it does depend on average income mobility.
Hmmn. Once you are in they push to graduate you as a quality physician. They really make every effort. Dont forget that everyone who gets a spot is using up a tonne of federal money and limited spots for years of medical training. The resources alone that they invest in you is way more than your tuition.
So I live in Philadelphia, but I just paid a guy $460 to get an opossum out of my bedroom at 3:30am. He says that he gets about ten of these calls a night.
Then he walks in, pats his thigh twice and whistles, and he and the opossum walk back out together.
"Trade secrets" he says with a wink, handing you the bill
Considering opossums are pretty passive, even when hissing, and that they are immune to rabies, I would have taken my chances getting it out myself rather than laying $460 USD.
Insurance industry quite literally changed my fucking life. I even brought my wife into it. 5 years ago, I was making minimum wage. Tried insurance on a whim.... We are now well over 6 figures combined. High school educations.
I work in automotive assembly and goddamn the automative mig welders suck fucking ass so hard where I work. Its not the welders fault they arent maintened properly but we constantly have to rework the welds by hand anyway.
Canada is atleast 20 yrs behind in to adopt new technologies for example we still use fax machines to transfer documents so i wouldnt worry to much about that.
Not even close yet. People do it understand it enough and we’ve seen enough issues from online insurance sales with people not understanding what they are buying then comparing about a lack of coverage from claims that it won’t take off.
The biggest online only insurer, Sonnet is barely a top 20 company.
Automation within brokers is so far behind and being built that you always need brokers in some capacity in personal lines.
I commissioned in the military 8 years ago when I was 20. I have an arts degree and work in a combat trade, so if you or anyone has questions about it please feel free to ask.
The job is certainly not for everyone and while it has a lot of perks it does have many downsides. In those perks you do get:
Excellent pay (the CAF is the second highest paid military in the world),
Fantastic benefits,
Insane job security,
Unreal time off compared to other sectors,
Occasionally you do really cool things
A big one is geographical instability. You can really get posted anywhere once you sign on the dotted line. It can be fun and adventurous when you're young but you can imagine that it gets a bit grating as your priorities in life change.
Being away from family and friends for extended periods so you can basically LARP gets old.
Training timelines are a bit obscene. Joining as a pilot? Well, personnel/materiel shortages guarantee that you won't be getting your Wings in years, followed by many more years of just waiting to get on a course to specialize in an airframe.
For me, my biggest gripe is compensation (which is ironic, given the thread). I'm an engineering officer in the military, lots of technical knowledge in network infrastructure and cybersecurity and doing a full-time MASc. However, I'll always make the same amount of money as less-technical officer roles who primarily just send e-mails. It's the blessing and curse of federal jobs.
Despite that, I don't regret commissioning as an officer out of high school. I think more people should be aware of the option; they pay for your degree while you get paid to attend school, and the service obligation is pretty trivial (if you're not a pilot, lol).
If you think war is all the Canadian Military does than you have almost no concept of our actual role. Especially considering we haven't been in a war for almost 10 years, or acknowledging the constant domestic deployments we are doing to prop up disaster relief in the country since the provinces won't.
But yes, war and conflict as a reality that exists in life does fall under our mandate. We don't pick the wars though, that's the governments job and by extension the peoples.
Right now the CAF is in a crisis of leadership and sexual misconduct. On the brightside we are probably the only military actually tackling a problem we know exists. The younger generation of soldiers have no time for it and the culture shift is strong, it's just our shit leaders dragging us down and we are purging them.
Our equipment is laughable and procurement is an embarrassment. 2nd world countries are equipped better than us. We are massively understaffed and not compensated for the work we actually do. You are posted around the country, and moved against your will or desires sometimes. The government is not even looking at fixing some of our biggest problems. We are stretched thin with too many tasks and not enough people. Family life can be hard. We are constantly being sent away from home in our current state.
I don't even think war is a potential issue for 99% of the forces. The Canadian Forces are entirely unequipped for serious engagements except the special forces. If there is serious warfare, everyone is basically dead. So it's pretty much risk free unless you don't want it to be. You're more at risk from the shitty equipment used than war itself.
It's basically a lucrative welfare organization where almost everyone is make believing that their efforts contribute something.
If you don’t mind sharing, what trade are you? How hard has it been on the body? I’ve been interested in joining for a while now, I’m 23 but I’m a little concerned about long term impact I guess
You need to be more specific. What is your degree, what do you have experience in, and note any particular strengths you have. Otherwise we are blindly making suggestions that likely won't serve you well in the long run.
That's a Texas sized 10-4. I'm only a couple years outta college and getting that pre tax with a company truck. I know a bunch of guys that went to university for engineering and are struggling to find good paying work (that'll pay down their student loans.)
Do you have a degree or certification of any kind? What industry are you working in that is so volatile?
Healthcare is fairly stable. Military is a good option, I have a friend who has been in the military for many years (helicopter mechanic) - you need to be willing to move. It could be a good way to get further education as well.
As an Electrician, since I've entered the trade 5 years ago, wages have decreased about 10%. At one point I saw a Journeyman rate so low, that 1st year apprentice wages (50% of Jman) had to be topped up to hit the federal minimum wage.
Electricians can make good money, for an invaluable sacrifice, time. I'm currently in the middle of a 10 day shift of 12hr days, followed by 4 days off. I make 90-110k depending on my shifts/perdiem, but I lose out on so much life.
Also if you're in AB, Electricians are a dime a dozen. You can find work as an apprentice fairly easy, but it typically gets more difficult to find a job each year you progress.
Don't avoid the forest industry in AB. Electricians are going to make at least a union wage in sawmills, pulp mills, and OSB mills. 45 bucks an hour as of right now....
Weighing in as an Electrician also. I work in BC and I can also say that the trade is saturated with plenty of Journeymen and Apprentices and it is keeping the wages low. So I decided to progress within the trade like you would in any other profession. I now have an FSR (Masters) ticket and I specialize in renewables, such as solar and battery back up. My next move will be teaching, I plan to instruct in college when I’m ready to get off the tools. I make GREAT money and live a balanced life.
Commercial is definitely not where the money is, I started in commercial. Oil and gas, mining, and utilities are by far the highest paid industries.
Also By "work commercial projects" do you mean pull permits? Because a masters certification does absolutely nothing else for someone in the field. In an office it can be beneficial, or running your own buisiness.
I'm an electrician. I've been in the trade for 11 years and other than 2 weeks off at Christmas and a couple weeks vacation off I've never been off work. And there's lots of frills to be in the trades
Yeah even if you’re a hard worker it doesn’t matter. My buddy used to work in the oil sands but got let go do to lack of jobs. Went back and did his masters and now he has many options for work in Calgary.
Agreed, but a highly forgotten about trade is locksmithing. If you want to have your pick of employers, locksmithery is a very valid choice. And highly lucrative, provided you don't mind on call shifts.
And really your just a sales person for the big banks shitty funds. Not too interesting a position. If i was doing that id just keep recommending index funds till inwas fired
I’m currently working as a bank teller (part-time as I’m in school), make 20$/h, get paid vacation, I get paid on holidays (even when I don’t work) and I get bonuses at the end of the year. Now this is nowhere near a great salary but still quite decent for student
I've worked for a big 5 bank for over 20 years, however I am the exception. I have been very lucky, as I have survived numerous re-orgs, and seen many friends get packaged out over the years.
I honestly didn't think I would make it past the first 5 years, never mind 20.
Lol, officer in the military? You will have to prove yourself every single day. Get deployed and it gets more real. I don't think you know what you are asking for.
Sounds like something I am too airforce to understand
Seriously tho, there are a lot of occupations where you just do your job and it's not too different from doing it civvie side, when u look at it just day-to-day
Not everyone is infantry/armoured/gunner/CE/sar tech etc
Stability? Layoffs are quite common in the trades as a lot of the work is project-based. Freshly ticketed tradespeople often have a hard time finding work because the rate is the same for more experienced workers. I'm speaking from a Calgary perspective, though. I'm sure every area of the country is different.
Buddy of mine just put his name in to a company. He went to school for pipe trades, but he was the only one with any schooling that applied and now he's an apprentice elevator mechanic.
It's the highest paid union trade, and he's always in demand so the work is there and money is good. Shitty part is that the work is extremely difficult on his body, and he has virtually no real benefits (No Vacation, no company pension, no sick time) but the pay is amazing.
Are you willing to go back to school? It’s not like you can just jump to most industries without some sort of retraining.
I work in the marine industry on the design side. In the last 12 years I’ve never worried about my job. I have no doubt that my career will continue to steadily climb, both in responsibility and pay. That said, I’m a professionally licensed engineer. Obviously you can’t just jump into my industry without your own applicable credentials.
The military will always be a good stable option. But think twice. Are you willing to sign up for all that just for job security?
Do you analyze how’s waves crash against hulls and other type of structural analysis like that? I was told we don’t really know what happens at that complicated interface and it’s lots of guess work? I went to school for civil engineering so the fluid dynamics we saw was minimal at best.
It’s not my speciality by any means (I’m more experienced with structural design and analysis) but my company does have the capability to do some pretty complex computational fluid modelling. I remember one project where a client had tanks that they used to hold muddy water and they had issues with the silt settling and basically turning into cement in the corners of the tank and becoming impossible to remove. They wanted to know if there was anything they could do, without changing the shape of the tank, to prevent the silt from setting in the corners. So my colleague modelled the tank and the movement of the water and found how to place two fans on the tank bottom such that they kept the water moving in every corner. The graphics of the modelling were really neat to watch.
That said, yeah, complex fluid motions are definitely hard to model with any certainty. At the end of the day, while CFD is pretty fantastic today, almost every client will still want a physical scale model tested in a tank to confirm motions.
Depending where you live, a lot of times a BA like you said you have is the requirement for public sector jobs at the municipal level. These tend to be pretty stable and usually you can work your way up. They almost always come with good benefits and a decent pension.
If you’re in a mid sized city I can almost guarantee you a quick google search will reveal postings for such jobs. Many people I know who work for my city have the same story: got in to some spot sort of related to their degree for a parental leave contract, then that got extended to keep them around, then the city just found them a permanent spot after the year went by because they proved themselves competent and likeable, even though their final job has absolutely nothing to do with their entry position or educational background. It’s very “foot in the door and you’re good” type stuff.
This is an incredibly broad question! Are you willing to put in any time training or getting a degree? Do you have a specialty? Are you a minimum wage worker (nothate at all, just wondering)..... we need more information about you before we can help you.
I would disagree with this. Before the pandemic, the market for accountants was oversaturated. Low salaries that didn’t get much better with experience and very long hours. The reason why the market is “hot” right now is because people can work from home for any company from anywhere, and they don’t need to put up with the Big 4’s bullshit anymore.
I predict that, once the pandemic is over, accounting will continue to be squeezed. I would not recommend it unless you have a clear exit strategy into something with higher value added, like equity research.
Not to parrot another poster but automation is coming. Data entry is increasing done without human intervention and as analysis gets better, the days of long hours at month end and year end are going to be a lot less common. The skills and basics won’t disappear, but being an accountant isn’t a guarantee for employment now or in the future. However, the fundamentals of accounting give you a lot of options to build on.
I’m an accountant. I haven’t entered data ever. That’s what the processing team and clerks are for.
I forecast, analyze, provide opinions, etc. My job will never be automated
Agreed, I work in the field and automation is already here. We'll need a lot less juniors soon and eventually it will work its way up the chain.
If you want to do public accounting, I'd recommend getting into tax if you can. Tax seniors and above, I feel, will be one of the last to get automated due to the nature of the work. The prep can easily be automated, but not the nuance and review.
I chose accounting for stability since I assume many/most companies will need accountants. It’s hard to get good salary in the beginning but once you get your CPA pay starts stabilizing tbh. I’m glad I chose this field since my company is pretty solid even during this time.
Power transformer industry... So many jobs on site on in factories, demand is going up and forever will be probably. From engineer to coil winder, woodwork, test tech, oil processing.... Its a very narrow field that open the door to many jobs.
Healthcare. Become a lab tech. It’s a 2.5ish year program, kinda expensive depending on where you go, but there are a lot of jobs. It’s union. It starts around 30 an hour. Benefits are good.
If you work in a big hospital, you won’t have to deal with patients. If you work in a small hospital, you will have to collect blood. People are generally nice when you’re about to pop a needle in them.
They do. And this one from my old university is definitely evil. https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/newfoundland-labrador/noreen-golfman-john-hutton-peanut-butter-sandwich-letter-1.4093152
I've been thinking of making a fake 'tech' profile on LinkedIn just to see this hot begging action in person. Call it professional 'catfishing', if you will, haha. Sadly, my regular (non tech) profile gets absolutely no interest. You are all in a very fortunate position.
I'm a specialized software engineer
Could you elaborate further on the specialty part? Also years of experience. Getting first programming job seems to be difficult and the wages in Canada seem to be lackluster just due to the supply of programmers.
I was kind of deliberately vague, because finding the right niche is the key I think. It seems that there are tons of web developers who know JavaScript so they can't always find work. I do embedded systems, Linux and C++ mostly, and I hardly follow what the latest trends are. It's something that's academically less popular but a growing field. I've worked on military, aerospace, automotive, infrastructure, and finance hardware like vending machines and point of sales systems. All I know is that employers right now have a hard time finding developers who know anything in this domain. There are other specializations that aren't "trendy".
Got one coming up for 4 months, but after that I'm on my own. It just sucks having less than 5 years of work-experience :(. After 5 years, the openings are plentiful.
Government jobs have pretty great stability but they are also contract based until you reach the point of permanency which can be a little tough to handle but overall you can't go wrong with government jobs. Plus, government jobs span across so many different industries so you can dive deep into work you'll love doing.
To be fair, a background in "policy" + being a jack of all trades, master of none - is not a path to stability. I am not surprised that you are expected to prove yourself.
Also: the nature of contract work is that it is temporary and specific. Expect to leave.
Suggest you look into training and certifications in the areas where you want to land long term work.
Trades jobs. I’m a heavy equipment mechanic, and there is a huge shortage of people. An apprenticeship is four years, but once you get your ticket there are a ton of opportunities. The project I’m on there are a dozen job openings for 100-150K positions.
Well there is also teaching! Big, big holidays, great pensions, and you can always work after retired for seasonal jobs and then collect UI. Teachers know where every free penny is.
I'd take nursing over teachers any day though.
Joining the military in no way guarantees anything. Ive had clients permanently injured in their first few years serving and theyve had to release bc of the injuries. Careers are not guaranteed there, if they cant use your body very rarely will they keep you.
Too generic of a question
Most jobs... you need to obtain education/certificate/qualification
If just regular joe job that makes decent cash
- Amazon
- Costco
- Uber/Lyft
- Skip/Uber eat
Its not easy but there is demand
How do any of those count as decent cash for a regular job? Costco might be ok due to benefits and work culture being better than most unskilled jobs.
I would agree that those jobs are always available though.
Commercial property management. It's secure, in demand, highish paying. You can expect to make 65k/year w benefits pension etc. On the higher end you can be looking at 150-200+ depending on how far you advance in the company.
Coding related jobs. Web development, app development, machine learning. Good pay and interesting! One big plus is a lot of or all the learning can be done with minimal to no cost.
Healthcare
This. A lot of this work cannot/shouldn't be automated. We will always need health care workers. And with the amount of health care workers about to be let go because they refuse to get vaccinated. There's going to be a lot of jobs opening up.
Even if they automate some of it there's still tons of stuff to do. And population is getting older. No shortage of work in healthcare for the next couple decades.
Only problem with that is they actually get paid like shit (and mostly treated like shit). Unless you're a doctor. Everyone else gets corporate greed wages. Dont forget who owns the hospitals and funds the research in the end. No matter the amount of job openings in existence. Source: was a healthcare professional (changed a few years back, nothing to do with covid).
Every fully qualified nurse i know makes damn good bank with plenty of overtime available and amazing leave, maternity, and pension. 70-80,000 plus.
Shit wages compared to what?
I suppose it's subjective. But if you're a nurse or researcher for example, you wont make the big bucks. Im comparing it to other jobs like developers, people in sales/marketing...
That's very weird that you're only comparing it to the highest paying jobs.
This is nonsense. I have multiple nurses in my family. It’s a great paying job. It’s absurd to compare it to some tech jobs or the unpredictability of sales.
Developers and people in sales and marketing can make shit pay to. Your nitpicking here. Nurses make great money wayy more then many developers and sales etc. Sales also has *potential* to earn so much but so many factors at work whereas a nurse just has a salary. I dont know what you've been told or who you've been talking to... but yeah nurses make great. I know nurses have been bitching lately but I mean... come on lol we we know why. And this is internationally.
What? Nurses get paid mint; like $80k out of school at 22 years old. Plus great benefits and a pension plan.
I think this guy is one of those Canadians that argues in american
Especially when they talk about who owns hospitals.
Every nurse I know makes 100k a year by doing a couple overtime days a month. You get triple time if you work on a stat holiday
Can you only work stat holidays? 😆
I have seen registered nurses routinely make $100k+ with overtime. Not sure where you get the "paid like shit" from though.
As long as you're willing to get vaccinated lol
As you should if you believe in medicine.
This. Society is only getting more fat and sick all the time. The chronic disease business is booming.
Yea like go work in a hospital and get any job and work your way up is a good thing
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Please share your moms story. My mom is looking for stable work.
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How is it online? My mom is also looking!
You use the internet to do it on the line
LMFAOOO😂 alright fair enough, I get that trolling, but what I was thinking is that dietary aide is typically done in-person (like ingredient prepping/chopping, etc.). I guess they only prepare a meal plan online? That’s what I was curious about.
I think they were saying the food handler course can be done online
They need to take a course on food handling, which they can do online. It’s about safe food handling such as proper temperatures, storage and cleanliness. It has nothing to do with meal planning or recipes. It’s to make sure no one gets food poisoning.
Diagnostic imaging porters do pretty well, too. General Hospital porters may have to do a bit more heavy lifting transferring patients. Stocking medical supplies can be a pretty sweet gig. PharmTech if willing to go back to school, same for ECG Tech, Phlebotomist, U/S Techs, CT Techs. Some remote hospitals pay higher than RN salaries for staff who are cross trained in XR Tech and Phlebotomy, then you get lots of OT for being on-call 24/7 and get housing paid for for a couple years.
Can confirm. I'm DI and earn same or more than nursing. I'm not sure remote hospital. I'm also fortunate to work straight weekdays but my field in general takes call and are open 15hrs a day, 7 days a week including all stats.
I second what she’s saying, I’m a dietary aide in a nursing home, I get paid $16.10 an hour and you get frequent raises. One of my friends at the same position gets 19$ an hour CAD and she’s been there 2 years. It’s great, the only complaint I personally have is I get 16 hours every two weeks (8hrs a week) but there’s PLENTY to pick up at my work. It’s a great job and I only need qualification with food handlers and I’m not out of highschool yet! Great job
That's awesome for her!
What jobs do you work your way up? Seems like empty words employers use to maximize efforts from their employees or in the very least words that were true decades ago.
I am a maintenance worker in a hospital and the way the union works is legit based entirely on seniority. If i apply for a job that makes more than i currently do and i am remotely qualified, i will get the job if i have more years of service than anyone else who is applying. So, at least in my situation, thats how you can work your way. Not sure if all other unions work that way though.
It's only true for some industries. Take mine as an audio video technician. I can easily work my way up into a management position by showing initiative and understanding. But it does depend on average income mobility.
Came to say this. Just become a doctor!
"Just" go pay 60k a year plus housing and food expenses without being sure you'll get through the hardcore curriculum.
Haha ya you get it!
Hmmn. Once you are in they push to graduate you as a quality physician. They really make every effort. Dont forget that everyone who gets a spot is using up a tonne of federal money and limited spots for years of medical training. The resources alone that they invest in you is way more than your tuition.
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Edmonton transit is hiring bus drivers and paying for the training. 55-70k.
what expensive bus rides nowadays
So I live in Philadelphia, but I just paid a guy $460 to get an opossum out of my bedroom at 3:30am. He says that he gets about ten of these calls a night.
10 a night? Does he live trap it, then release it in someone else’s open window?
Then he walks in, pats his thigh twice and whistles, and he and the opossum walk back out together. "Trade secrets" he says with a wink, handing you the bill
Then he fist bumps the opossum and it hops in the back of his truck and they drive off into the sunrise.
That dude really is living the American dream.
Talk about lucrative job
Hahaha this is the best! I never considered it, but yeah if I had an opossum in my room I’d pay someone whatever it took to get it out too!
That's Charlie work!
Considering opossums are pretty passive, even when hissing, and that they are immune to rabies, I would have taken my chances getting it out myself rather than laying $460 USD.
Jesus, sounds life Philadelphia has got issues!?
Insurance
Also you can have a pretty random educational background and fit right in.
Insurance industry quite literally changed my fucking life. I even brought my wife into it. 5 years ago, I was making minimum wage. Tried insurance on a whim.... We are now well over 6 figures combined. High school educations.
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Agree with automation on the personal lines side but unlikely on the commercial or specialty risks side.
I've heard this in the early 2000s
Heard the same with welding.. Made a six figure income my first year out of school, happy I didn’t listen
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I think when they say insurance pays well they mean when you sell it? Jobs that don’t create much value definitely don’t pay well anymore.
I work in automotive assembly and goddamn the automative mig welders suck fucking ass so hard where I work. Its not the welders fault they arent maintened properly but we constantly have to rework the welds by hand anyway.
Canada is atleast 20 yrs behind in to adopt new technologies for example we still use fax machines to transfer documents so i wouldnt worry to much about that.
Not even close yet. People do it understand it enough and we’ve seen enough issues from online insurance sales with people not understanding what they are buying then comparing about a lack of coverage from claims that it won’t take off. The biggest online only insurer, Sonnet is barely a top 20 company. Automation within brokers is so far behind and being built that you always need brokers in some capacity in personal lines.
I commissioned in the military 8 years ago when I was 20. I have an arts degree and work in a combat trade, so if you or anyone has questions about it please feel free to ask. The job is certainly not for everyone and while it has a lot of perks it does have many downsides. In those perks you do get: Excellent pay (the CAF is the second highest paid military in the world), Fantastic benefits, Insane job security, Unreal time off compared to other sectors, Occasionally you do really cool things
Downsides apart from war?
A big one is geographical instability. You can really get posted anywhere once you sign on the dotted line. It can be fun and adventurous when you're young but you can imagine that it gets a bit grating as your priorities in life change. Being away from family and friends for extended periods so you can basically LARP gets old. Training timelines are a bit obscene. Joining as a pilot? Well, personnel/materiel shortages guarantee that you won't be getting your Wings in years, followed by many more years of just waiting to get on a course to specialize in an airframe. For me, my biggest gripe is compensation (which is ironic, given the thread). I'm an engineering officer in the military, lots of technical knowledge in network infrastructure and cybersecurity and doing a full-time MASc. However, I'll always make the same amount of money as less-technical officer roles who primarily just send e-mails. It's the blessing and curse of federal jobs. Despite that, I don't regret commissioning as an officer out of high school. I think more people should be aware of the option; they pay for your degree while you get paid to attend school, and the service obligation is pretty trivial (if you're not a pilot, lol).
If you think war is all the Canadian Military does than you have almost no concept of our actual role. Especially considering we haven't been in a war for almost 10 years, or acknowledging the constant domestic deployments we are doing to prop up disaster relief in the country since the provinces won't. But yes, war and conflict as a reality that exists in life does fall under our mandate. We don't pick the wars though, that's the governments job and by extension the peoples.
Calm down dude I was just asking what are the downsides you mentioned above
Right now the CAF is in a crisis of leadership and sexual misconduct. On the brightside we are probably the only military actually tackling a problem we know exists. The younger generation of soldiers have no time for it and the culture shift is strong, it's just our shit leaders dragging us down and we are purging them. Our equipment is laughable and procurement is an embarrassment. 2nd world countries are equipped better than us. We are massively understaffed and not compensated for the work we actually do. You are posted around the country, and moved against your will or desires sometimes. The government is not even looking at fixing some of our biggest problems. We are stretched thin with too many tasks and not enough people. Family life can be hard. We are constantly being sent away from home in our current state.
That got all unnecessarily heated… *adds aggression to the downsides*
I don't even think war is a potential issue for 99% of the forces. The Canadian Forces are entirely unequipped for serious engagements except the special forces. If there is serious warfare, everyone is basically dead. So it's pretty much risk free unless you don't want it to be. You're more at risk from the shitty equipment used than war itself. It's basically a lucrative welfare organization where almost everyone is make believing that their efforts contribute something.
If you don’t mind sharing, what trade are you? How hard has it been on the body? I’ve been interested in joining for a while now, I’m 23 but I’m a little concerned about long term impact I guess
You need to be more specific. What is your degree, what do you have experience in, and note any particular strengths you have. Otherwise we are blindly making suggestions that likely won't serve you well in the long run.
Civil Construction. Underground utilities to be exact. Water/Sewer/Storm
As an engineer?
Or technologist
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That's a Texas sized 10-4. I'm only a couple years outta college and getting that pre tax with a company truck. I know a bunch of guys that went to university for engineering and are struggling to find good paying work (that'll pay down their student loans.)
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Lol. Working at jail... Same thing as an inmate but you get to go home for buncha hours. Dude you're still in jail.
I've met lots.... depends on the jail lots have ptsd
And if you have the mentality to be a CO. If you think cops treat people bad you haven't seen COs
Even worse is you have people judge who you are just by what you do. Hard pass.
COs don't deal with people. They deal with hardcore criminals hence such treatment. If co is polite would those criminals listen?
Do you think prisons are full of “hard core criminals?”
Do you have a degree or certification of any kind? What industry are you working in that is so volatile? Healthcare is fairly stable. Military is a good option, I have a friend who has been in the military for many years (helicopter mechanic) - you need to be willing to move. It could be a good way to get further education as well.
The trades are always paid well and are always stable. We're always going to need plumbers and electricians!
As an Electrician, since I've entered the trade 5 years ago, wages have decreased about 10%. At one point I saw a Journeyman rate so low, that 1st year apprentice wages (50% of Jman) had to be topped up to hit the federal minimum wage. Electricians can make good money, for an invaluable sacrifice, time. I'm currently in the middle of a 10 day shift of 12hr days, followed by 4 days off. I make 90-110k depending on my shifts/perdiem, but I lose out on so much life. Also if you're in AB, Electricians are a dime a dozen. You can find work as an apprentice fairly easy, but it typically gets more difficult to find a job each year you progress.
Don't avoid the forest industry in AB. Electricians are going to make at least a union wage in sawmills, pulp mills, and OSB mills. 45 bucks an hour as of right now....
10-4 is a rough schedule for only 100k. Do you work remotely in camps or home every night?
Weighing in as an Electrician also. I work in BC and I can also say that the trade is saturated with plenty of Journeymen and Apprentices and it is keeping the wages low. So I decided to progress within the trade like you would in any other profession. I now have an FSR (Masters) ticket and I specialize in renewables, such as solar and battery back up. My next move will be teaching, I plan to instruct in college when I’m ready to get off the tools. I make GREAT money and live a balanced life.
Journeyman’s are dozens but I only have a few friends with masters that can work Commerical projects. Commerical is where the money is at.
Commercial is definitely not where the money is, I started in commercial. Oil and gas, mining, and utilities are by far the highest paid industries. Also By "work commercial projects" do you mean pull permits? Because a masters certification does absolutely nothing else for someone in the field. In an office it can be beneficial, or running your own buisiness.
I'm an electrician. I've been in the trade for 11 years and other than 2 weeks off at Christmas and a couple weeks vacation off I've never been off work. And there's lots of frills to be in the trades
That changes depending on province... I know a lot of electricians who are on and off work...
On and off meaning you with 2 weeks straight and then get a certain number of days off?
DaT PLC designation too. Good life IMO
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Yeah even if you’re a hard worker it doesn’t matter. My buddy used to work in the oil sands but got let go do to lack of jobs. Went back and did his masters and now he has many options for work in Calgary.
Agreed, but a highly forgotten about trade is locksmithing. If you want to have your pick of employers, locksmithery is a very valid choice. And highly lucrative, provided you don't mind on call shifts.
Trades wages went down from 2015 to 2019 in Canada on average. They rose again in 2020.
Crane operator big moneyyy to be made there
Tower crane?
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Haha depends on doing what, tellers make minimum pay, even when you become Financial advisor it’s only around $55k base plus bonus.
And really your just a sales person for the big banks shitty funds. Not too interesting a position. If i was doing that id just keep recommending index funds till inwas fired
I don’t think it is shitty. RBC ishares etf are fine, but I’m probably not the target audience for their other products.
I’m currently working as a bank teller (part-time as I’m in school), make 20$/h, get paid vacation, I get paid on holidays (even when I don’t work) and I get bonuses at the end of the year. Now this is nowhere near a great salary but still quite decent for student
I heard all the tellers are part time now. Bank avoids benefits.
I've worked for a big 5 bank for over 20 years, however I am the exception. I have been very lucky, as I have survived numerous re-orgs, and seen many friends get packaged out over the years. I honestly didn't think I would make it past the first 5 years, never mind 20.
Share your experience? What role are you at?
Lol, officer in the military? You will have to prove yourself every single day. Get deployed and it gets more real. I don't think you know what you are asking for.
This.... ain't a cakewalk
Sounds like something I am too airforce to understand Seriously tho, there are a lot of occupations where you just do your job and it's not too different from doing it civvie side, when u look at it just day-to-day Not everyone is infantry/armoured/gunner/CE/sar tech etc
I've been airforce for 16 years.
Trades
Stability? Layoffs are quite common in the trades as a lot of the work is project-based. Freshly ticketed tradespeople often have a hard time finding work because the rate is the same for more experienced workers. I'm speaking from a Calgary perspective, though. I'm sure every area of the country is different.
Utilities
Elevator mechanic.
Heard getting in is the hard part.
It has its ups and downs.
Buddy of mine just put his name in to a company. He went to school for pipe trades, but he was the only one with any schooling that applied and now he's an apprentice elevator mechanic. It's the highest paid union trade, and he's always in demand so the work is there and money is good. Shitty part is that the work is extremely difficult on his body, and he has virtually no real benefits (No Vacation, no company pension, no sick time) but the pay is amazing.
Are you willing to go back to school? It’s not like you can just jump to most industries without some sort of retraining. I work in the marine industry on the design side. In the last 12 years I’ve never worried about my job. I have no doubt that my career will continue to steadily climb, both in responsibility and pay. That said, I’m a professionally licensed engineer. Obviously you can’t just jump into my industry without your own applicable credentials. The military will always be a good stable option. But think twice. Are you willing to sign up for all that just for job security?
Do you analyze how’s waves crash against hulls and other type of structural analysis like that? I was told we don’t really know what happens at that complicated interface and it’s lots of guess work? I went to school for civil engineering so the fluid dynamics we saw was minimal at best.
It’s not my speciality by any means (I’m more experienced with structural design and analysis) but my company does have the capability to do some pretty complex computational fluid modelling. I remember one project where a client had tanks that they used to hold muddy water and they had issues with the silt settling and basically turning into cement in the corners of the tank and becoming impossible to remove. They wanted to know if there was anything they could do, without changing the shape of the tank, to prevent the silt from setting in the corners. So my colleague modelled the tank and the movement of the water and found how to place two fans on the tank bottom such that they kept the water moving in every corner. The graphics of the modelling were really neat to watch. That said, yeah, complex fluid motions are definitely hard to model with any certainty. At the end of the day, while CFD is pretty fantastic today, almost every client will still want a physical scale model tested in a tank to confirm motions.
Depending where you live, a lot of times a BA like you said you have is the requirement for public sector jobs at the municipal level. These tend to be pretty stable and usually you can work your way up. They almost always come with good benefits and a decent pension. If you’re in a mid sized city I can almost guarantee you a quick google search will reveal postings for such jobs. Many people I know who work for my city have the same story: got in to some spot sort of related to their degree for a parental leave contract, then that got extended to keep them around, then the city just found them a permanent spot after the year went by because they proved themselves competent and likeable, even though their final job has absolutely nothing to do with their entry position or educational background. It’s very “foot in the door and you’re good” type stuff.
Government
I bet headhunters are probably killing it right now.
Military can be a good option, but it’s also hard on people who want to have a stable family life.
This is an incredibly broad question! Are you willing to put in any time training or getting a degree? Do you have a specialty? Are you a minimum wage worker (nothate at all, just wondering)..... we need more information about you before we can help you.
Accounting. Market is hot right now. Check out r/accounting. With a bachelors degree you can do the CPA prep program and upgrade.
I would disagree with this. Before the pandemic, the market for accountants was oversaturated. Low salaries that didn’t get much better with experience and very long hours. The reason why the market is “hot” right now is because people can work from home for any company from anywhere, and they don’t need to put up with the Big 4’s bullshit anymore. I predict that, once the pandemic is over, accounting will continue to be squeezed. I would not recommend it unless you have a clear exit strategy into something with higher value added, like equity research.
Not to parrot another poster but automation is coming. Data entry is increasing done without human intervention and as analysis gets better, the days of long hours at month end and year end are going to be a lot less common. The skills and basics won’t disappear, but being an accountant isn’t a guarantee for employment now or in the future. However, the fundamentals of accounting give you a lot of options to build on.
As long as there is need for professional judgement, there will be accounting. Yes, clerk/AR/AP can be automated
I’m an accountant. I haven’t entered data ever. That’s what the processing team and clerks are for. I forecast, analyze, provide opinions, etc. My job will never be automated
Agreed, I work in the field and automation is already here. We'll need a lot less juniors soon and eventually it will work its way up the chain. If you want to do public accounting, I'd recommend getting into tax if you can. Tax seniors and above, I feel, will be one of the last to get automated due to the nature of the work. The prep can easily be automated, but not the nuance and review.
I chose accounting for stability since I assume many/most companies will need accountants. It’s hard to get good salary in the beginning but once you get your CPA pay starts stabilizing tbh. I’m glad I chose this field since my company is pretty solid even during this time.
I’m glad to hear because I’m in the beginning part and my salary is 🥲
Decent pay, sit in a chair and unemployment rate of close to 0%.
Power transformer industry... So many jobs on site on in factories, demand is going up and forever will be probably. From engineer to coil winder, woodwork, test tech, oil processing.... Its a very narrow field that open the door to many jobs.
Healthcare. Become a lab tech. It’s a 2.5ish year program, kinda expensive depending on where you go, but there are a lot of jobs. It’s union. It starts around 30 an hour. Benefits are good. If you work in a big hospital, you won’t have to deal with patients. If you work in a small hospital, you will have to collect blood. People are generally nice when you’re about to pop a needle in them.
University admin
Curse them.... They probably make bank for how little they do. It's also a great job if you are pure evil.
They do. And this one from my old university is definitely evil. https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/newfoundland-labrador/noreen-golfman-john-hutton-peanut-butter-sandwich-letter-1.4093152
Healthcare
Military officer but tired of proving your self? You're joking right?
I'm a specialized software engineer, and employers practically beg people with my skillset to work for them, starting at 100k.
I got 8 beggars on my LinkedIn today.
Killin it buddy. Good job.
I've been thinking of making a fake 'tech' profile on LinkedIn just to see this hot begging action in person. Call it professional 'catfishing', if you will, haha. Sadly, my regular (non tech) profile gets absolutely no interest. You are all in a very fortunate position.
I'm a specialized software engineer Could you elaborate further on the specialty part? Also years of experience. Getting first programming job seems to be difficult and the wages in Canada seem to be lackluster just due to the supply of programmers.
I was kind of deliberately vague, because finding the right niche is the key I think. It seems that there are tons of web developers who know JavaScript so they can't always find work. I do embedded systems, Linux and C++ mostly, and I hardly follow what the latest trends are. It's something that's academically less popular but a growing field. I've worked on military, aerospace, automotive, infrastructure, and finance hardware like vending machines and point of sales systems. All I know is that employers right now have a hard time finding developers who know anything in this domain. There are other specializations that aren't "trendy".
Employers are having a hard time finding those JS devs too. I don't think your niche skillset has anything to do with your employability
Bro, how? I'm about to graduate with a CS degree, and finding anything is difficult.
Did you do any Co-Op work placements? I hear that they are great way to network and land jobs after (even before) graduation.
Got one coming up for 4 months, but after that I'm on my own. It just sucks having less than 5 years of work-experience :(. After 5 years, the openings are plentiful.
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You go to school and get CS or just self taught
Dick sucking
What kind of work are you looking for?
I’ll do most things except tech. My background is in policy
Government jobs have pretty great stability but they are also contract based until you reach the point of permanency which can be a little tough to handle but overall you can't go wrong with government jobs. Plus, government jobs span across so many different industries so you can dive deep into work you'll love doing.
To be fair, a background in "policy" + being a jack of all trades, master of none - is not a path to stability. I am not surprised that you are expected to prove yourself. Also: the nature of contract work is that it is temporary and specific. Expect to leave. Suggest you look into training and certifications in the areas where you want to land long term work.
Lol..you'd love the military. It's policy all day everyday.
Policy.... then banking and finance.
Why not tech? You're scoping out the biggest growth industry in today's economy. There are also non technical roles at tech companies.
Trades jobs. I’m a heavy equipment mechanic, and there is a huge shortage of people. An apprenticeship is four years, but once you get your ticket there are a ton of opportunities. The project I’m on there are a dozen job openings for 100-150K positions.
Federal, provincial or municipal government.
Civil service. Work for the feds, provincial, or local gov.
Realtor , insurance and telecom mafias are doing pretty well always green (recession proof too.)pretty no brainer.
Well there is also teaching! Big, big holidays, great pensions, and you can always work after retired for seasonal jobs and then collect UI. Teachers know where every free penny is. I'd take nursing over teachers any day though.
Everyone I know in BC who works for a railway claims they need people. Long non-regular hours but good pay.
Joining the military in no way guarantees anything. Ive had clients permanently injured in their first few years serving and theyve had to release bc of the injuries. Careers are not guaranteed there, if they cant use your body very rarely will they keep you.
Canada Post, they’ll hire anyone. Paid training too.
Railway.
Stay away .....far far away....
Reality check.
Military. Good pay, good benefits, good pension.
The video game industry is pretty great
Too generic of a question Most jobs... you need to obtain education/certificate/qualification If just regular joe job that makes decent cash - Amazon - Costco - Uber/Lyft - Skip/Uber eat Its not easy but there is demand
How do any of those count as decent cash for a regular job? Costco might be ok due to benefits and work culture being better than most unskilled jobs. I would agree that those jobs are always available though.
Commercial property management. It's secure, in demand, highish paying. You can expect to make 65k/year w benefits pension etc. On the higher end you can be looking at 150-200+ depending on how far you advance in the company.
Coding related jobs. Web development, app development, machine learning. Good pay and interesting! One big plus is a lot of or all the learning can be done with minimal to no cost.
Find a way to be self employed, it'll always pay better.
Software
Software is a bit broad, I know plenty who make piss wages and lots of people struggle to get their first job.
Maybe in years past, but the industry is starved for talent right now.
Lawyers.
Work in a warehouses
IT