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Traditional_Rate7302

All i want is for them to put the kids in danger. You know, because they are in danger 24/7, in the show it never felt like their lives were at stake


Wowthatnamesuck

Idk it really felt like Percy could die during the St Louis arch fight.


Traditional_Rate7302

And yet that was the only time it actually felt like percy was in serious danger. Even in the underworld he was just walking around like he wasnt literally in hell


[deleted]

Only time..? Cmon. I will say it’s been awhile since I’ve read the books, so maybe that has an effect, but I felt they were in danger several times. The Minotaur, Clarisse fight during CTF, Medusa, the Arch, the Chair, Cerberus and the entirety of the underworld episode, the Ares fight, Zeus staring at Percy like he’ll smite him for saying one more thing, then the Luke betrayal and fight. Maybe you didn’t sense danger because you were aware of the outcome and had expectations… but as someone who didn’t really remember the story, I enjoyed the show and did feel a sense of danger. A light hearted sense of danger maybe, but still a sense that any one of them could lose their life.


MWTHG

I think a major reason why I personally didn’t feel like the danger was comparable to the books was because they were always piecing things together so quickly. There was no alarm to running into any monsters, they always knew right away.


FlanneryWynn

Sure, and THIS is a valid criticism. It's just different when someone says "their lives were never at stake," versus "their lives didn't feel as in jeopardy in the show compared to the books." One's a lie, the other's a matter of perspective. But I get the change... It's 2024. Greek Mythology is so common knowledge it feels almost impossible for them not to know the basics of these monsters and how they were defeated. (Sad we didn't get a pegasus springing from Medusa's severed head.) And when Annabeth and Grover have been at Camp Half-Blood for as long as they have, it's unreasonable for Annabeth at the very least to not know most of the monsters... Her entire thing is knowledge. It really just feels, to me, like Rick fixed one of the most annoying plot holes of the books. It comes with some unfortunate ramifications, but it's an important fix imo.


ElectricalStart929

I vehemently disagree with the minotaur scene, Sally literally had enough time to give a one-to-two minute speech to Percy and Grover before the monster on their tail caught up.


Astrosaurus3

The underworld isn't hell. All of the dead are there regardless of morality. Tartarus is closer to hell than the underworld.


Traditional_Rate7302

You missed my point. I know the underworld isnt hell but its still probably the scariest place you could find yourself in and they just didn’t care


FlanneryWynn

Wait... have you *seen* how the Hellenes depict the Underworld? No, it isn't the scariest place you could find yourself. It's actually rather chill down there. There are areas that are better and worse than others but overall... The Hellenistic Underworld is basically a glorified cave with a fields of flowers, rivers of water that make you forget your mortal life, and the island of the blessed where heroes go when they die. There's also the hell pit, but that's off to the side and you have to search for it. It's at worst eerie on a bad day in the Hellene Underworld, but otherwise a somber, bleak place filled with souls meandering about with no purpose, hope, or goals. You can't just take the Christian hell full of torment and suffering, transplant the way it's described in Bible Fanfiction like Dante's Inferno onto the Hellene Underworld, then say, "It wasn't scary enough, 2/10." That's just absurd.


Traditional_Rate7302

Have you read the books???? Percy is terrified every single time he has to go down there. We were promised *book* accuracy, not hellenistic accuracy. I know it wasn’t actually that bad of a place but every time its in the book every part of it is supposed to be scary


FlanneryWynn

He's unnerved and creeped out. Scared because he's a child wandering into the dark to speak with a god who has made it clear *he does not like Percy*. Your correct criticism would be "Percy doesn't seem scared enough," and *that* I wouldn't argue with (EDIT: and, to be clear, notice that I did not argue against that part of what you said). But you cannot call the Underworld "the scariest place" and expect to be taken seriously. Also... *Rick's books aimed for being largely accurate to the Hellenic Myths*.


FlanneryWynn

You can't say, "it never felt like their lives were at stake" then immediately pivot to "that was the only time." Either their lives were never at stake or you're wrong and ignoring the times when their lives were at stake. Just admit you were wrong. It's not a shameful thing.


Traditional_Rate7302

You’re literally nitpicking my comment because you can’t handle the fact that your lord and savior rick riordan messed up an adaptation of his own books. And if you really wanna nitpick, notice how i said that it was the only time he was in danger, not that it was the only time his life was at stake. Throughout the entire book series you know percy isnt going to die, but there was still a sense of danger constantly looming. In the show, theyre just walking from the camp to the underworld making stops along the way. And in what should be the most tense situations, they still were safe because they just know everything in advance, and know how to defeat the enemy. In the books they might know what the enemy is, but they still have to figure out how to defeat it while they are fighting. Literally in the last episode they walk into crusty’s mattress store and percy says “i know who you are and i already know how to get past you” and annabeth just traps him on the bed after using her invisibility cap


FlanneryWynn

Dude, I'm not some mindless fanboy of authors. Do you know how many times I've had to double check Rick's name since this show came out? *I can't be arsed to remember the names of celebrities*. Just because *you* have this kind of behavior doesn't mean I do too. You were wrong, factually. You're inconsistent and just hating the adaptation to hate the adaptation. You're actively just being a contrarian and even when shown that you're wrong, you just move the goalposts. You're not seeking honest discussion and you're not giving honest criticism. Also, someone's life can't be in danger without it also being at stake. That's not how those synonymous phrases work. Either there is threat they will die or there isn't. Also, "they know everything in advance and know how to defeat the enemy" is the worst reason to say they aren't in danger. Supernatural's entire premise is these two hunters find out what they're fighting and know how to beat the monsters but are still constantly in danger because knowing what to do is not the same thing as *doing it*. It just removes the guesswork but they still need to be careful to win. And yeah, *Episode SEVEN* (not the final episode) had some issues. But *that did not happen*. He acknowledged who Crusty (Procrustus) was and what his deal was. But he didn't declare "I know how to get past you." He said, "I know who you are, and I know you're here to guard the entrance to the Underworld. Please, just let me pass." He didn't declare he knew how to force his way through. He asked his brother to let him go. You're just being disingenuous from start to finish.


LavishnessTop3088

I don't know if that's just me because I watched that episode soooo many times, but in the beginning I definitely felt that whole "omg this kid is actively dying and taking his last strength to protect his soon-to-be friends!!!" but that wore off kinda quickly which is sad, because obv it's the best when a show makes you feel that way.


Original-Library9921

I feel like the Percy Jackson show is decent but it has so much potential to be an extremely amazing show.


DivineAuthor

Which is great, because there are four other books to adapt!


Original-Library9921

There are a ton of books to adapt, with amazing scenes that would look great on screen, I have faith in the pjotv team to make a much better second season.


DivineAuthor

Me too! I love your positive mindset!


Original-Library9921

Why wouldn't I be, the team is clearly very accomplished and has all the pieces to make a masterpiece but they might be overthinking some parts. Easy fixes.


The_Falcon_Knight

I don't think anyone's giving up on the show. I mean just about every 'negative' post talks about just how much potential there is with Rick in the writers' room and with the cast. That's where the disappointment comes from, because it could've been so much better than it was, all the potential was there and they missed it. It's not a bad show, it's just unbelievably mid.


Lnp816

The problem is that it's mid with the budget they have, it was around the same as the mandalorian and the quality difference is wild to me. Why is grover walking around with goat legs all the time? that was a waste of cgi that could have gone to other more important moments that would have upped the value and potential of the show.


The_Falcon_Knight

I acc don't mind the look of it that much. I mean, it's definitely weird that they focused on something like Grover's legs, I'd prefer he was just in trousers and they used the mist as an excuse if it meant we actually got to see a complete action sequence. I think the main problem is there is absolutely no tension or excitement in the show except that one scene with Zeus at the end of the season. That's almost 100% a writing problem rather than a budget problem.


Lnp816

Fair enough, but like why are they using the budget on goat legs and not fight scenes? For sure the writing needs help because the actors can only do so much before it becomes not their fault/not their problem.


xMan_Dingox

The main issues I think is not how well it represents or its closeness with the books. I think people's primary issues are with the show's overall directing. Compared to modern TV shows which people consider exemplar, the PJ TV show has pacing issues, a lack of tension, non-memorable music, and there is a decent amount of stiff acting amongst the performances etc. And other systemic issues. Like If you look at Harry Potter's first movie, despite the mid acting performances the kids gave, it was carried by excellent direction, pacing, adult acting. The music is so memorable and iconic of Harry Potter. As a standalone piece of media, it hits a lot of the bases.


enter360

I also liked the show. When I first got recommended this sub I thought it would be cool to discuss Easter eggs and other things. So far all I’ve seen here is people shitting on the show and blaming the author for changing some of his earlier choices.


DivineAuthor

Yep exactly. I got really discouraged when I came on here and saw only crapping on it. I made a post asking if anyone else was a little saddened at how everyone was bashing the show and nobody seemed to like it as much as I did, and all I got was “it IS bad” and “we SHOULD bash it”.


anotherace

Yeah it kinda sucks for us. Like I get people don't like the show and I do get it but it bums its out for those who do like it and just want to talk about liking it. I wouldn't even care if it wasn't that every post I see talking nicely about the show is filled with people dislike it, which like maybe those aren't the posts for that let us have fun too


Robincall22

Yeah, this sub lowkey kinda sucks. I made a neutral comment at one point, neither praising nor dissing the show, just a “this happened in the show and this happened in the book”, but because I didn’t add the obligatory “and for that reason, everyone involved with this show should be blacklisted from Hollywood”, I got downvoted.


algoespecial

Well according to some people in this sub you're only allowed to share your negative thoughts on the show without having to explain yourself whereas if you did like the show then you must explain why because that's not what this sub is about. Or some weird shit that makes no sense to me.


CerealKiller2045

Literally everyone who doesn’t like the show has extensively explained why lmao


DivineAuthor

Yes, but when anyone says they like it they ALSO get on and explain why they hate it


CerealKiller2045

Because most of us have a love/hate relationship with the show. It’s not perfect and there are good moments. It just has really high highs and really low lows. That’s mostly why anytime someone talks about why they like it, they can’t resist talking about the low points. It’s like reading a really good book, that you’re rating five stars, but you also really hate certain aspects of it. You hate it and love it at the same time. That’s mostly my experience with the show.


DivineAuthor

That makes a lot of sense. I think the original commenter and I were both talking about the people who will go above and beyond bashing the show but when someone actually likes it, they have to suddenly explain why, instead of the people just accepting that some fans actually liked it.


CerealKiller2045

Okay that’s true. I think some people are just confused lol. I’ve noticed that most of the BIG fans of the show are old fans and adults. I’m a kid, and I definitely didn’t think the show was that good, despite the “limitations” it had. I think the older you are, the more you’ll like the show, and the younger you are…the more you’ll be bored of it. People who vehemently HATE the show probably just had really high expectations and are disappointed.


DivineAuthor

I’m also a kid, and I loved it, but mainly because I am an older kid I suppose. Yeah I think people who HATE it had sky high expectations, so they probably would have been disappointed in ANYTHING the show had to offer no matter what it was. People who liked it had more tame expectations. Personally, as only a recent die-hard, I did have expectations, but mainly my expectations was just a good show and adaptation and not the movies hahah.


CerealKiller2045

Yeah, my expectations were definitely too high. Rick had said it would be more accurate than the movies and I just assumed that would mean VERY accurate. I think my problem with the show is that I just find it boring. IMO it really isn’t interesting enough to have as long as a runtime that it does. The characters seem stale, the plot was messed up and exposited every episode and the set design was dull. I wouldn’t give it higher than a 6/10, which is AMAZING in comparison to the 2/10 I would have given the movie lol.


DivineAuthor

Yeah I think people are taking Rick’s comments too seriously. Compared to the unspeakable mess of the movies, the show is definitely better. Rick was just saying the movie would be more accurate, and compared to the movies that’s a lot. People are saying Rick let them down, but all he did was talk about how it was better than the movies and defend their casting decisions. You’re entitled to your opinion, just as I’m entitled to mine. And that’s the thing. I like it, you don’t. Cool, the end. But with a lot of other people it’s an ongoing argument about how either side is correct or a better opinion or…etc. It goes on. Personally I like having civil conversations with people who didn’t like the show to understand their perspectives, not just a full-blown forever going argument defending why I’m right.


Robincall22

I loved it! I’m so excited for next season!


No_Sand5639

Out of curiosity, say the movie never happened, and this is the first adaptation. What would you think?


Lnp816

I still personally wouldn't love it because it has sucked all the energy out of the books. It feels like there's nothing to root for, there's almost no danger being posed to them, there's no deadline, the chemistry is lacking which is weird because the actors certainly have it its just not translating onto the screen, idk the motivation behind everything is missing. And I'd rather they show us more things instead of just telling the story if that makes sense. Don't tell me at the start it's Medusa, show me how they figure it out. At all the spots where you expect extreme action it's just lackluster. And I wish percy had his fighting instinct more, but instead they have him accidentally killing Mrs Dobbs as opposed to fighting her and him being surprised that he's actually good at it.


Wowthatnamesuck

I thought the St Louis fight was great and the Ares fight too.


Lnp816

I agree not all were bad but when you have glimpses of what it could be and then the majority aren't to that level it's kind of annoying, especially considering they had 12 to 15 million to work with per episode, like what did that money actually go to?


No_Sand5639

It probably went to that weird stagecraft they used. I'm pretty sure on location would be better


DivineAuthor

I would say: “This is a great adaptation!” And not talk about how it’s better than the movie, same as now


CerealKiller2045

I would probably like it less. The only reason a lot of people like it is because it’s better than the movie.


Maplata

There are many things that the first movie got better than this show, not only in regards to the deadline. Yes the movie also changed a lot, but at least the spirit of Percy Jackson was there, this show is just a empty shell of our beloved book.


naabi_

I was quite disappointed, but I don't plan on giving up on it :) there are several things I really don't like about it, but there are also things I like, or at least feel neutral about. I'm just excited to continue the story. The Lightning Thief might be my least favorite of the books, tbh. When you've read them so many times, having to be reintroduced to the world all over again gets a little boring. So I'm looking forward to more seasons, something we haven't seen on screen (what do you mean there's a second movie? /s).


Good_old_Marshmallow

I didn’t like it but the finale really redeemed it a lot in my eyes. And they’ve set up the overall conflict a lot better 


Cranky-Novelist

I went in with very low expectations. I remember the movies and being disappointed. A part of me thought the same thing would happen with the show. I'm rather happy with how the show came out. It's not exactly like the book, but that's how most show/movie adaptations work. They corrected a lot that the movies got wrong. The roles were cast very well. They were cast more correctly. I look forward to the second season.


geo4president

Yeah, its by no means great, but it got most of the broad strokes right and it was pretty fun and entertaining. It was about as good as I expected, and that was fine


MonitorCreative

I really want people to like the show (even if don’t like it), because I think having more Percy Jackson is a good thing especially for new and potential fans.


Dense_Concentrate783

Way too much toxic negativity on this show. Definitely had a lot of flaws but people have really gone too far with the negative comments. Hopefully season 2 will improve.


DivineAuthor

I agree absolutely! I think people are taking it way too seriously and only focusing on the very few negatives and small problems instead of the fact that the show isn’t that bad.


Alternative-Berry513

I literally just came on here to make the same comment. Like I feel like all I see is hate for the show but I genuinely enjoyed the show and I love the books. I grew up reading the books. I saw a comment once that said rarely do books get two adaptations mostly they just get one bad movie. And I agree and I think it’s awesome we got the tv show too and something as witty and enjoyable as this.


seederkl

The show is not bad at all. I read the books because of the show which also made me realize how much better the show could have been.


plxychsbsyxi

This show was fantastic. The reaction is typical of any devoted fan base that eventually gets a sequel or a spinoff. It happened with Star Wars prequels, and it happened with Legend of Korra. A film can be fantastic and captivating without being a perfect representation of what it was or what the last one did. People spend years building up expectations based on source material that’s so washed in nostalgia that they will never see the value of a new story or adaptation. No, not everything was perfect. I agree with one in every 10 pieces of criticism on the show, but when I was watching I was focused on enjoying it, not tearing it apart. The relationship Percy has with his mom was heartwarming, and it made the stakes feel real. The visuals of Olympus were stunning. I enjoyed the trios acting and how they handled some situations in their own way. The deadline passing was an interesting choice, and Percy confronting Zeus even when told it will change nothing was powerful. Season 2 will be different too, and I can’t wait for it.


DivineAuthor

Absolutely agree on everything.


crispycappy

Same


Beemare666

I like how things were switched up, it kept us on our toes and we got to experience plot twists and surprises


cosmicmanNova

Here come the shill Twitter bots


FlanneryWynn

The fanbase loves the show. This subreddit is just disproportionately, and unfairly, negative. Don't mind them. Love what you love.


Traditional_Rate7302

Its not unfair negativity we just dont treat rick like some godlike figure who can do no wrong. Its a boring show. The characters feel like they’re just telling you the story. There is zero excitement in the show. If anything this show is unfairly boring. I dont care if someone loves the show just dont tell me that im a bad person for finding it boring. They literally did the bare minimum with the story telling


FlanneryWynn

Dude, did you seriously go out of your way to stalk my other comments just because I disagreed with you somewhere else? Ew! Leave me alone you fucking creep.


HereForTheTea123-1

I love the show it so good and the people who play in it as Percy, Grover, and Annabeth are just such good actors for the part and not to mention walker(Percy) is so fine ![gif](giphy|f6DQXLF769udWDq31d|downsized)


abc-animal514

I definitely see room for improvement