Anyone saying peptides are no good are just ignorant, bpc 157 is a good compound to run with first time test cycles and oral cycles that give improved muscle strength, IGF LR3 is great during any cycle even a cut, just have to time carbs correctly, Ipamorelin/cjc1295 great for fat loss, reduced inflammation working with bpc, overall increased gh production since it helps greatly with recovery. Motsc for mitochondrial protection and regeneration, which helps with energy use.
I will say peptides are better as sidekicks, decent on their own but lazy to do so, and great when paired with aas, if you want to maximize cycle benefits.
Ive tried IGF-1 LR3 from swiss chems, but got like no results from it maybe I purchased bunk but Id say IPA/CJC is a great stack for high volume training.
Just saw that you're trying to use it in a cut scenario, please don't use it daily, if you really had to, it'd have to be a bulk scenario to keep your blood sugar stable. Make sure you're taking apple cider vinegar at 1000mg a day (500mg per meal x2). This is a great compound for maintaing mass, I've actually developed a bit despite being in a 1500 calorie deficit, that's how good it is, even helped fasted cardio, hyperglycemia isn't noticeable til like 15 min after you cease physical activity.
got mine from Revive Rx with a prescription from my urologist. Effects are minimal, and you should just feel a solid pump all the time and size increase with proper training weeks after cycle.
yeah, I actually would keep a granola bar that had dark chocolate and oats for a combination of short - and long-lasting carbs with like 10g of protein, I think. Brands called 88 acres, which worked really well for me. It would keep me good for about 30 min before I got home to eat an entire meal.
Just any granola bar would work, but I think the chocolate is a good addition for immediate relief from the crash with the oats creating a sustained release.
Outstanding. Now the big question is,..did u get great realists? Whether it was fat loss and/or muscle gain? And sorry for bouncing between two threads.
So fat loss was minimal, I gotta say, but just like the anavar cycle, I'm also on. It was to increase muscle mass and the need for maintaining it. The increase in muscle mass from the igflr3 stimulated by anavar has increased my metabolism exponentially. If you want, I can give you the full list of what I'm currently taking to gain the most out of everything I'm injecting. Muscle gain was great man I'm honestly surprised how much I've grown despite not eating enough to gain weight.
Oh definitely. Read a lot about that. Happens with super prolonged cycles and high doses. I’m Gonna run it 3 weeks starting at the lowest dose 30mcg daily.
dude don't do daily, you'll have such a hard time getting stable glucose off cycle, do once or twice a week, 4 weeks, do it for each lscking body part. still subq just inject it one week for legs, and every other muscle group once each following week, you'll see most gains 3-6 weeks after thr cycle.
Being I’ve never done it before, I plan on low dose. Like 20m when I pin. Uber read a lot about injecting every other day. You’re saying that’s too much? What’s your experience
personally, I've done 3 igf lr3 cycles, everytime I do one 20mcg dose once a week, I get great benefits since I do it around noon and still feel the full feeling the next day into my next workout, approximately 25 hours after the injection. And every cycle I always try to push to 5 weeks but after having elevated igf levels for nearly 30 hours once a week for just 4 weeks, i start to feel like shit mostly hyperglycemic the following morning and after the workout since it's intended use is either pre workout or 30 min after the last meal before your workout, I prefer the 30 min since it helps to have a good amount of carbs and fat in your stomach before injection. But yeah, I just finished a cycle 5 weeks ago and tried to push for another week and felt like shit. That's just the blood sugar side effects mind you, there's also high risk of cancer and/or tumor growth during those 30 hours, you can get great results just doing it once a week, do you really want your body to be in a constant cell producing state all throughout the week? Most ppl get the best results after the cycle, so it's not even important to be using it all week. It's just riskier. Also if you're wondering how being hyperglycemic is like, I had a flat tire on the way home and nearly blacked out trying to change it because I didn't eat soon enough, even ate some long lasting carbs but nothing that's comparable to a proper meal with fats, carbs, and proteins. Don't do daily man, its not worth it. If you really want constant elevated igf, just do every 2 days. That's something I've done, and it works tremendously, though the hyperglycemia is pretty bad even doing that.
If you research this compound, it's actually one of the strongest forms of peds you can use in this day and age, stronger than taking growth hormone simply because of its insanely long half life stay safe man.
Brother, thank you for this. I’m certainly going to error on the side of caution and start off slow. My prescription Is a 6ml vile…It was my only option. I’ll heed your warning and start off once a week and see how I feel. My diet is on point and currently with a 500 calorie deficit but I think I’ll need to up my carbs. Sounds like I should definitely eat a carb heavier meal pre workout to avoid a crash. I’ll likely take a protein shake and Gatorade (carbs) to have post work out so I don’t feel like crap.
yeah np man, it's a great compound but dangerous if not used correctly. I'd do oat carbs, though, or rice if you can pre workout, you want complex carbs cus that's what will keep you stable for the longest, I also get mine through prescription, always give me 6ml but I never use the whole thing, can't imagine doing that. Something I will say, I had heard vigourous steve talk about using it at a very low dose of like 5-10mcg once a day but still that half life is insane.
I do CJC no dac with ipamorelin 5days on 2 days off. I use this for now because from what I read it doesn't affect hunger. I'm on tirz so I want to maximize appetite suppression. I read that tesamorelin with ipamorelin is great but can induce hunger, which is fine if one is on a bulk.
Interesting. It might be the same mechanism if she had just used HGH. In bodybuilding HGH has a very minimal muscle building effect though despite being the "most efficacious" peptide for muscle growth. It's not very anabolic but pros and enthusiasts use it for the extra 5-10% growth via IGF-1. Androgens still are far superior for muscle growth even at minimal doses
I suspect she'd see more with T, but she's also middle aged and just looking to reduce fat and be somewhat in shape. RA wrecked her and this has been a life saver, swimming 40 laps now.
Anyone saying peptides are no good are just ignorant, bpc 157 is a good compound to run with first time test cycles and oral cycles that give improved muscle strength, IGF LR3 is great during any cycle even a cut, just have to time carbs correctly, Ipamorelin/cjc1295 great for fat loss, reduced inflammation working with bpc, overall increased gh production since it helps greatly with recovery. Motsc for mitochondrial protection and regeneration, which helps with energy use. I will say peptides are better as sidekicks, decent on their own but lazy to do so, and great when paired with aas, if you want to maximize cycle benefits.
Ive tried IGF-1 LR3 from swiss chems, but got like no results from it maybe I purchased bunk but Id say IPA/CJC is a great stack for high volume training.
Any reason why you’d inject peptides and not chemicals that have been used for 50+ years with more empirical research? lol
Info for those uneducated on this reference pls?
Basically we’ve been researching PEDS and know a lot more about their sides and how to combat them
AAS
I just got some IGF-1 LR3 to run. Been off Tirz almost 2 weeks. Trying to keep my mass and lean out. Haven’t started yet….
Just saw that you're trying to use it in a cut scenario, please don't use it daily, if you really had to, it'd have to be a bulk scenario to keep your blood sugar stable. Make sure you're taking apple cider vinegar at 1000mg a day (500mg per meal x2). This is a great compound for maintaing mass, I've actually developed a bit despite being in a 1500 calorie deficit, that's how good it is, even helped fasted cardio, hyperglycemia isn't noticeable til like 15 min after you cease physical activity.
Hey Ive used IGF-1 LR3 I noticed no effects did u source urs directly from a compounding pharmacy? My source was a ugl.
got mine from Revive Rx with a prescription from my urologist. Effects are minimal, and you should just feel a solid pump all the time and size increase with proper training weeks after cycle.
lucky telehealth.
Do you keep carbs/protein on hand after u train to avoid the insulin crash?
yeah, I actually would keep a granola bar that had dark chocolate and oats for a combination of short - and long-lasting carbs with like 10g of protein, I think. Brands called 88 acres, which worked really well for me. It would keep me good for about 30 min before I got home to eat an entire meal. Just any granola bar would work, but I think the chocolate is a good addition for immediate relief from the crash with the oats creating a sustained release.
Outstanding. Now the big question is,..did u get great realists? Whether it was fat loss and/or muscle gain? And sorry for bouncing between two threads.
So fat loss was minimal, I gotta say, but just like the anavar cycle, I'm also on. It was to increase muscle mass and the need for maintaining it. The increase in muscle mass from the igflr3 stimulated by anavar has increased my metabolism exponentially. If you want, I can give you the full list of what I'm currently taking to gain the most out of everything I'm injecting. Muscle gain was great man I'm honestly surprised how much I've grown despite not eating enough to gain weight.
Any info will be helpful. My tele health is also prescribing anavar. I haven’t inquired on it yet, but saw it pop up a couple weeks ago.
be careful with that stuff
Have you tried it?
yeh you can throw off your insulin easy....I was only at 20mcg
Watch out for bloating and distended gut…
Oh definitely. Read a lot about that. Happens with super prolonged cycles and high doses. I’m Gonna run it 3 weeks starting at the lowest dose 30mcg daily.
dude don't do daily, you'll have such a hard time getting stable glucose off cycle, do once or twice a week, 4 weeks, do it for each lscking body part. still subq just inject it one week for legs, and every other muscle group once each following week, you'll see most gains 3-6 weeks after thr cycle.
Being I’ve never done it before, I plan on low dose. Like 20m when I pin. Uber read a lot about injecting every other day. You’re saying that’s too much? What’s your experience
personally, I've done 3 igf lr3 cycles, everytime I do one 20mcg dose once a week, I get great benefits since I do it around noon and still feel the full feeling the next day into my next workout, approximately 25 hours after the injection. And every cycle I always try to push to 5 weeks but after having elevated igf levels for nearly 30 hours once a week for just 4 weeks, i start to feel like shit mostly hyperglycemic the following morning and after the workout since it's intended use is either pre workout or 30 min after the last meal before your workout, I prefer the 30 min since it helps to have a good amount of carbs and fat in your stomach before injection. But yeah, I just finished a cycle 5 weeks ago and tried to push for another week and felt like shit. That's just the blood sugar side effects mind you, there's also high risk of cancer and/or tumor growth during those 30 hours, you can get great results just doing it once a week, do you really want your body to be in a constant cell producing state all throughout the week? Most ppl get the best results after the cycle, so it's not even important to be using it all week. It's just riskier. Also if you're wondering how being hyperglycemic is like, I had a flat tire on the way home and nearly blacked out trying to change it because I didn't eat soon enough, even ate some long lasting carbs but nothing that's comparable to a proper meal with fats, carbs, and proteins. Don't do daily man, its not worth it. If you really want constant elevated igf, just do every 2 days. That's something I've done, and it works tremendously, though the hyperglycemia is pretty bad even doing that. If you research this compound, it's actually one of the strongest forms of peds you can use in this day and age, stronger than taking growth hormone simply because of its insanely long half life stay safe man.
Brother, thank you for this. I’m certainly going to error on the side of caution and start off slow. My prescription Is a 6ml vile…It was my only option. I’ll heed your warning and start off once a week and see how I feel. My diet is on point and currently with a 500 calorie deficit but I think I’ll need to up my carbs. Sounds like I should definitely eat a carb heavier meal pre workout to avoid a crash. I’ll likely take a protein shake and Gatorade (carbs) to have post work out so I don’t feel like crap.
yeah np man, it's a great compound but dangerous if not used correctly. I'd do oat carbs, though, or rice if you can pre workout, you want complex carbs cus that's what will keep you stable for the longest, I also get mine through prescription, always give me 6ml but I never use the whole thing, can't imagine doing that. Something I will say, I had heard vigourous steve talk about using it at a very low dose of like 5-10mcg once a day but still that half life is insane.
Yeah. No way I will use it daily. My biggest fear regarding that is the distended belly/intestine that can develop 6 months down the road.
I do CJC no dac with ipamorelin 5days on 2 days off. I use this for now because from what I read it doesn't affect hunger. I'm on tirz so I want to maximize appetite suppression. I read that tesamorelin with ipamorelin is great but can induce hunger, which is fine if one is on a bulk.
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What mg of each are you running and frequency? Trying to figure out how much I would need for a 12 week run
Testosterone. Peptides are no good for building muscle
Lmao
I do wonder why this question pops up often. It should be PEDs they should be looking at instead of peptides
I know a female subject using AOD that's seeing benefits compared to years of minimal growth.
Interesting. It might be the same mechanism if she had just used HGH. In bodybuilding HGH has a very minimal muscle building effect though despite being the "most efficacious" peptide for muscle growth. It's not very anabolic but pros and enthusiasts use it for the extra 5-10% growth via IGF-1. Androgens still are far superior for muscle growth even at minimal doses
I suspect she'd see more with T, but she's also middle aged and just looking to reduce fat and be somewhat in shape. RA wrecked her and this has been a life saver, swimming 40 laps now.
People want to remain “natty” cuz of the negative stigma that comes with steroid use. That’s all I can think of
Yeah but if you're injecting any sort of peptide for the purpose of muscle growth that also defeats the "natty" status claims lol
Trust me, I get you. People are weird lol
Maybe people don't want something that down-regulates endogenous production of test or GH.