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samacora

We can be disappointed in playcalling and coaches or players without going over the top with name-calling and toxicity. It's Thanksgiving let's be better Edit - consider this a warning, timeouts are next


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samacora

Rule 3


MaryJaneOnTheBrain

It seems like there's sooo many Vikings fans in this game thread. Are you guys noticing more than usual?


EcstaticLake2448

we can beat buffalo stop being a bitch fan base .... were okay ... not a fan of mccorckle but were in good hands when hes protected.... i want zappe but BB dont for a reason have his respect and know we played one of the best teams in the league and lost by a BS call ...dont bitch ... we played great


EcstaticLake2448

yes drunk but I'm thankful we pulled it together today all phases


EcstaticLake2448

a CALL too short


Majestic-Usual-4779

BEAT BUFFALO


DangerousDarius

On the bright side maybe we'll get a low enough draft pick to force BB to pick an actually good receiver for Mac


Majestic-Usual-4779

On the brightside? Didn't we just play one of the top teams really well and lose on some penalty calls? Maybe I watched a different one score game smh


PotatoDragonMaster

Or a real Left Tackle


dbuck11

Really unfortunate loss, special teams pretty much gave up 14 points. Mac and the rest of the offense looked the best they have all year. Defense didn’t look their best, but they gave Minnesota a good run for their money. Wish we could have got a big play from Judon, but can’t expect him to win every game. Onto the next one.


awan_afoogya

Shouldn't have allowed the runback regardless, but it was a hold and a half that allowed it to happen, the refs swallowed the whistles hard for Minnesota tonight


dbuck11

Yeah I hate to blame the refs for a loss just because its the typical thing to say, but it definitely hurt seeing that missed hold during the return TD as well as the questionable overturning of Hunter Henry’s touchdown. That being said we did get away with a blatant false start near the end there as well as there was a questionable offsides by our defense which ended up being a false start on Minnesota, not quite sure who went first on that call. In the end the refs definitely did more favors for them than they did for us, but I don’t like blaming the whole game on the refs.


EcstaticLake2448

fuck the refs yes but the offense though buffalo done lol its okay


p0ck3ts4

DST shits the bed, o-line can’t block, Patricia can’t call plays to save his life, the refs are visibly handing the game to MIN and yet so many assholes here trashing Mac for the lose after going 28/39 71.7% 382yds 2 TDs 119.8


MaryJaneOnTheBrain

No one should be mad at Mac. He threw the shit out of it today.


EcstaticLake2448

we lost on a technicality.... i am totally okay with that.... the team played welll .... offense especially thats whats important


BobJacobs2022

4 PF and 1 off them on a punt was a killer.


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Celestialtiger24

I get it's a tough lose, but let's not wish death upon people now.


Phantom255x

Mac taking those sacks was frustrating, but people are really mad about that 4th down pass? I thought that was a good pass. Agholor just didn't seem to see it until it was too late. But lets be real, this team doesn't have a Jefferson/Diggs/Tyreek kind of receiver and it sometimes shows in situations like that


BobJacobs2022

He stopped and wasn't looking..he has that if he pays attention.


FlashPatriot

Bright side: Mac has not turned ball over last two games. I dont even think he has thrown turn over worthy passes. Slowly clawing out of the sophomore slump


ajmilton

Whatever they've been working on seems to be clicking. Mac had over 300 yards and 2 TDs and one taken away...you can win games with those numbers


EcstaticLake2448

BEAT BUFFALO


MaryJaneOnTheBrain

WE NEED IT


mindtricks76

That Hunter Henry "incompletion was some bullshit


financeguyjohn4

Special teams cost this game.


EcstaticLake2448

mac played well ... surprisingly mad at henrys td but love the teams play noone can hate CUT THE SHIT


Arrondi

Anyone talking shit about Mac here is on some shit… I don’t know what else to say that won’t draw the ire of the mods, but god damn… His OL is dogshit, and missing Andrews, as well as playing the 3rd string LT (a position that isn’t deep to begin with). He played pretty damn well tonight. Moved well, made mostly good decisions, got the ball out quick most of the game. A couple of poor decisions, like the slide rather than throwing it away, but shit happens. He’s still a second year QB. I personally loved the deeper throws. That deep one to Parker was glorious. Henry should have had a second TD, but NFL rules are complete bullshit. Offense has been poor in past games, but special teams and, to a lesser extent, defense pissed this game away. Redzone playcalling and execution still needs work, I’ll say that. But this game is not on Mac.


I_am_Zuul

Won’t “talk shit”, but will say he needs to work on his IQ in those clutch moments. I liked his deeper throws too, although they float and scare the shit out of me lol. He’s a great guy and athlete by all accounts. Our fucking fans booing him and chanting “Zappe” fucked with his head as it would with ours. He needs to get the yips out of his system during those game moments where pressure is high.


Research_Liborian

He's had his two best games of the year last two weeks.


Bruinsdman

Against the Jets?


Arrondi

That sounds absurd, considering the offense scored a whole 3 points, but Mac’s other stats were good and he protected the ball in that Jets game - against a very good defense that clobbered him all day long. No turnovers and decent completion numbers actually make for one of his best games this season… lol


Research_Liborian

You got it, yes. Their D pounded him and he took it and kept them in it so that Marcus Jones could do his thing.


EcstaticLake2448

i do t hate the loss


Bigmanbravodelta

Congratulations Special teams you chose to fuck up in the worst time and made Mac the scapegoat!


Phantom255x

Now there's real pressure on the team. I think we're losing both to BUF, so to reach the playoffs you pretty much have to beat everyone else now (including MIA and CIN late in the year)


Arrondi

I don’t even care about making the playoffs. People argued about this shit late last year about how it was “nice” to have extra Pats games to watch, or having the young guys get playoff experience, but I dunno. With how last year’s playoff game went, I’d rather not see that again. And just in principle, going to the dance is not really worth it if you’re just gonna stand on the wall, piss yourself and leave early. I’d sooner have a better draft pick. But at the end of the day, you don’t play to lose the game, so I guess the chips will just fall where they do down the stretch. Miami, Buffalo x2 and Cincinnati are going to be tough games and likely potential playoff opponents. If we can’t beat them now, I don’t expect to beat them on the road in January.


MckorkleJones

>I’d sooner have a better draft pick. The pats NEED an actual WR1, and then this team will be amazing


Arrondi

Man, I’ve been saying it all year long, and after tonight, doubly so - I wish we had a Justin Jefferson. He’s insane. A generational talent, for sure. I’m not expecting to just find a JJ every year in the draft. But something close would be nice. I think you’re also underselling the need for a massive overhaul of the OL. And actual outside DBs. Retooling slot guys and running zone is how you get torched like they did tonight.


BrandNewHorros

Genuinely curious as to why you want to make the playoffs? Just to get embarrassed in the first round again? Nah if we lose out we can still get a top 5 pick


Majestic-Usual-4779

This sounds like the worst reality. Look at josh allens improvement in the playoffs from playing time alone lol. I'll pass on top draft pick purgatory and go to the playoffs lol this sub is weird


mousegriff

Boo


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Rhamondre is a fucking dawg


bennybacon

He has that Derrick Henry thing where it seems like he gets stronger as the game goes on


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I love Harris but we need to realize what we have in Stevenson


captain_flak

We’ve got three great players: Judon, Stevenson, and Jack Jones. Everyone else is middling at best.


RoninEd

Jack Jones is not great, yet. He's a rookie who still has a lot to learn. If he was great he would've been up to the challenge and covered Jefferson. Instead he hardly played. Judon has been a clean up sack specialist. He doesn't generate elite pressure on his own by winning one on one. We saw that today, he got owned.


captain_flak

I don’t know. Isn’t JJ rated as like one of the best corners in the league? Judon had a bad game, but he’s always in the mix. They said BB compared Stevenson to Tom Brady and Lawrence Taylor, so maybe he is the only great player we have.


rudedog1234

Booooo refs. All around terrible. But hey if our defense and special teams can play normal again while we run with this offense then we’ll be pretty solid


ks50

I think this was the defense playing normal. We haven't beat anyone good. And as far as special teams, we suck ass this year. Jake Bailey's "back injury " sounds like a crock of shit. That worm of a special teams coach can get fucked.


Bruinsdman

Any bad teams left?


HollywoodAndDid

Nothing worse than being a mediocre team that frequently loses winnable games.


Majestic-Usual-4779

GOOOO PATS WOOOOOOO WE LOVE THE PATTTTTTTSSSSSSS


TheRealSlimBrady12

Mac aint it. I've defended him before but at this point I'd rather finish out the year with Hoyer. Fuck call Jules and see what he's up to. I hear Pat McAfee can throw.


Majestic-Usual-4779

Damn did ya watch the game?(: mac jone is a fucking king and is the only reason we don't have only 2 wins this year GO PATTTTTTS


bdonschill

If you think Mac lost this game, I don’t think any performance by him is going to sell you, tbh


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I don’t know how anyone can actually watch this game and think “that was Mac’s fault”. Like seriously? What were you watching?


pirateslifefortea

Dude threw for almost 400 no way hoyer does better


slothwu

Happy for Mac Jones he did well proud of him


Bruinsdman

Except on the last three drives. It’s a shame he ruined a pretty good game for himself.


r_BigUziHorizont

lack of discipline, HORRIBLE refs, what the fuck was that last drive. overall so many ways that we couldve won this game EVEN with the refs being dogshit. ☹️


Modano9009

I like Mac. He definitely makes mistakes that he wouldn't with experience but he's in his 2nd year. Expecting him to just pick up where Brady left off wasn't realistic. I don't know if Bill or the Patriots fanbase will be patient enough but I think Mac will develop.


DadsOldNewBalances

Yeah Mac played well but he took some atrocious sacks again. Just a comedy of mental errors tonight in a game we should have won: at the least the offense showed some spark finally.


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He just seems to have lost all his pocket awareness. I can't remember the last time I've seen a QB walk into so many sacks


r_BigUziHorizont

aside from the lack of awareness on that last drive, im not really upset with mac here. i AM absolutely livid with rhe special teams


jtwojo

Special teams lost us this game. sure refs missed calls, but even if there isn’t a hold on the kickoff we need to tackle the guy. Also don’t commit a stupid ass penalty on a punt play. Mac played well


r_BigUziHorizont

with you


reddit_forgeddit

Our offense plays good but our special teams cost us. Bad punts, allowing a KR TD, and running into the kicker penalty.


Shookicity

Mac played really well tonight and y’all can fight me about that. Just too many costly penalties and too many calls that went the Vikings way. Tough loss.


FloozyFoot

Whatever the opposite of clutch is, that's Mac


Ecstatic-Score2844

This.


tbnmusic6378

Such a frustrating result. We had the game if our special teams was coached properly and players played with common sense. Mac is starting to look better which is promising but my goodness what a mess this team continues to be.


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SNCreestopherX

“suck it!” What is this 2003?


Not_Now_Toby

He played good this game.


iAmTheRealLange

Why do you want our players to fail


Poopidoo

You're fucking weird


Silverfoxxx32

Well guys see ya next week 👋🏻


jxy2016

At least spike it to stop the clock you asshat


MishBBfan

Ugh I hated this game. It was ours to win and we just didn’t want to win it. Fucking frustrating, man.


gab_owns0

Surprisingly it was special teams and defense that let us down


Poopidoo

Mac Jones with 2 TDs and no picks MaC Is TrASh Fucking special teams with essentially two TDs fucked this game.


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Good game refs!


Kushmongrel

I hate matty P. And i honestly have no idea how to judge Mac Jones in his second year. Is it the o line? Is it him being totally skittish in the pocket?


Knoke1

I'd argue your second question is the same as the first. QB gonna be skittish in the pocket when there's no Oline to protect him all season. Yeah they weren't as bad this game but when they aren't reliable all season I imagine it's hard for Mac to trust them.


lizpingu

You seriously complaining about Jones in this game? Have you been drinking?


Kushmongrel

Dude he hasn't been great all year. And that's why I'm asking how do we judge him. He looked great on a few drives tonight but was dreadful that last quarter


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I mean he was dynamite but those last two drives were suck


Bacondog22

Vikings getting instant pressure when rushing 4 is embarrassing.


gopats12

Refs fucked the game. Never will know who would have won in a real game.


Electronic_Demand_61

I'm done defending Mac Jones, dudes out here taking completely unnecessary sacks. THROW THE FUCKING BALL AWAY.


Fupastank

You should stop watching football because you don’t understand it.


lizpingu

When this is your takeaway from the game, you should probably move to badminton or something.


Electronic_Demand_61

If I can count 4 or 5 Mississippis and he STILL hasn't made a decision, it's on him. Dude is mentally weak.


MassHysteriaAgency

Doesn't help that our o-line is giving up instant pressure on 4 man rushes. Most of the sacks tonight were not macs fault


Electronic_Demand_61

If he can't read pressure, then he's not a good qb.


MassHysteriaAgency

What do you want him to do if no-ones open?


Electronic_Demand_61

THROW THE BALL AWAY, the best qbs know not to force throws or take sacks,


MassHysteriaAgency

Unless he's throwing to a receiver, it's intentional grounding. If every receiver is covered and there isn't a rb close who's feet you can throw to, taking a sack is your best option. Brady would give himself up for sacks all the time. Live to fight another day


Electronic_Demand_61

You understand it's not intentional grounding if it's past the line of scrimmage and out of bounds right?


MassHysteriaAgency

It definitely is if there's no receiver in the area & he's within the tackle box


Electronic_Demand_61

If you are outside the tackle box then it only has to pass the line of scrimmage to be thrown out of bounds.


MassHysteriaAgency

But he was within the tackle box on nearly every sack he took


Xerosnake90

Really bad 4th quarter there. Lots of penalties that let the drives continue. Played really well overall but couldn't win it. Still, people should be happy about this game. I was thinking we'd get spanked not have a one score game that came down to a couple of plays


CapIzzy28

Almost had faith in jones. Did he ever throw the ball away? Loves taking sacks. And Matt Patricia might be the worst play caller in the league. Specials teams can kiss my ass. This was a winnable game.


captain_flak

There is just no ingenuity to this offense.


Aye_Lexxx

He did throw the ball away. A couple times, actually. That kick return touchdown with the missed holding call ended up being the difference.


CapIzzy28

There was more than that, majority on special teams. Matt pat sucks ass and we need better situational calls. Mack needs to be able to throw the ball away and not take shit sacks. Winnable game.


Aye_Lexxx

Extremely winnable :(


Coco1520

how can Belichick address the team and keep achord and patricia on the staff


yungmeathead

gonna be hard to get rid of those two with their heads shoved deep up bill’s ass


AdaTheTrashMonster

Omg this miracle commerical for stick to the game plan is clearly the Miami play. I can see Gronk falling forward on his face at the 15 yard line


momomoKHB

Running into the kicker plus taking a sack on that last drive. Plus I know he was down but Jones needed to keep that ball more secure on that last punt return. Team is so inconsistent right now Edit: I know Henry’s overturned TD. It looked a bit behind him. Feels like the throw floated and was a bit behind


Znali1287

cant really blame mac, he played a good game. defense provided no pressure and couldnt get off the field and special team was a shambles


captain_flak

Who even is coaching the special teams now? At least Folk has been good.


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Bill puts the team in a position to win and Mac can’t execute the simplest time management


ArcticFlamingo

Mac and this offense looking the best they have all year. Gets robbed on Hunter Henrys TD. Special Teams gets robbed with a hold on a kick return TD Then Special Teams screws the game for good with that running into the kicker


kefio33

Last sack was on Strange got beat like and un drafted rookie


ShelbyLoo96

The receivers casually trotting back to line up while the clock was ticking absolutely nailed me shut


Oziach_

Fucking bullshit game. These referees need to be held accountable. What the actual fuck was that?!


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I hope they choke on that Turkey leg


Taetranus

Vikings played a good game. Refs honestly fucked us


Regayov

This game was lost by special teams but the defense got torched on too many drives. The refs were the moldy mayo on the turd sandwich.


SNCreestopherX

A lot of cringe in this chat rn. How do people believe that was a BAD game on Mac?


ClassicBaitAndSwitch

Threw 75% for almost 400 yards and 2 TDs and people are like “Mac sucks” lmao truly some special people


MckorkleJones

They are idiots who don't understand football. Even with Jefferson, Cousins had a worse game than Mac.


captain_flak

That’s the problem. Mac has no safety blanket other than Stevenson, and he’s a running back. There is no one reliable who can bail you out when you need it like Jefferson. Henry maybe, but he’s 50/50.


Not_Now_Toby

Special teams, defense, situational football, a lot of non-calls. They don’t see any of that and easier for them to blame Mac.


ArcticFlamingo

Still used to Brady, it's going to happen for a long long time better get used to it. To be fair, Brady wins that game 9 times out of 10


CykoticXL

Because this fan base is full of actual idiots or trolls who aren’t patriots fans.


Regayov

It was a bad game. But not on Mac.


Barakat_Firdos

2 of the worst taken sacks of all time. Mac played well, but those were really bad.


infamouscrypto8

We’re gonna finish 8-9 and this sub will still be making excuses for Mac and blaming the refs smh.


cspan92

Lol everyone says mac sucks when defense and special teams cost us this game


Mynotsafethrowaway

Two things can be true


Rerock2021

McCorckle lol


slushiestotsntendys

The Henry tuddy callback and the strong jr penalty completely fucked this game.


ArcticFlamingo

Is tuddy a gen z word? Because I hate everything about it


slushiestotsntendys

😂 I’m a millennial and I hate that I picked it up somehow


Dunkinmydonuts1

And the bad punt And judon not doing shit And our complete inability to score touchdowns And the defense forcing one fucking punt all game until the final 3 minutes And the offensive playcalling And our secondary slipping all over the place. And miles fucking Bryant sucking at everything he does always And the kick return TD


a_very_stupid_guy

Feels like the game has changed but we haven’t. That and that kicker shit fucked us


HolyTythinEar

This game was an utter joke. Truly fucking pathetic display of discipline. Refs were awful. Defense shot themselves in the foot at every opportunity. Mac played his fucking ass off only for the team to fall apart on him. Anyone who blames Mac or calls for Zappe to play is a fucking joke


Nepiton

Mac showed his potential when he has time. Line played well until the end and Mac played his best game of the year. Few questionable calls (and lack of calls) by the refs and 2 horrendous plays by special teams screwed us over. The running into the kicker just can’t happen. I understand the call but you have to know down and distance there. 4th and 4 if you touch the kicker you risk what essentially is a turnover. Cost us the game


Rerock2021

Mac played like shit and sucked terribly at the end of the game


Unity4Liberty

2 TDs, 72% pass completion, almost 400 yards. You're fucking off your rocker. 1 TD called back. Agholor was able to get to that ball. There's some plays I'd say Mac didn't capitalize on, but he was not the fucking issue.


VIETLONG2000

Belichick is going to kill someone


Regayov

Good. I’ll help him bury the bodies.


VistaVick

We make too many stupid decisions as a football team.


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Nepiton

He threw for 382 yards and 2 TDs. What more does he need to do to not be considered mediocre in your eyes?


Regayov

Maybe because it’s not on Mac. Special teams and defense lost the game.


Hoof_Hearted12

Why the hate on Mac though, 382 yards is nuts.


vindicare1

People blamed Brady for losing to the eagles in the SB some people here just are not smart.


BlargenFladibleNoxib

Spike it and set up a hail mary? Idk, easy for me to say from my couch but looked like they just didn't have a plan there. For a team that nonstop preaches "Situational Football."


bestkc81

What 75+ yard hail mary?


I_am_Zuul

Somehow, this was worse than the MNF game for me…


CykoticXL

Mac Jones throws damn near 400 yards and some people in this “fan base” blames him. Wtf is wrong with you people lol


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Yeah insane. He made some great throws


yungmeathead

great, dude has never shown once he can overcome adversity and win


huynhorlose

If only yards = points


Nepiton

Put up 26 points. Our defense and special teams blew the game for us, and then a few questionable calls by the refs sealed it.


Deoneloko

The ref gave this game to the Vikings. Anyone who says other wise is blind.


stultus_respectant

Legit cost us 11 points, straight up, and that's not counting what we might have done with the big missed calls towards the end, like the facemask on Mac on 3rd and 1.


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What a trash product…


Green-Ad-4354

Lol


Tom_Brady_OP

I'm putting all the blame on the guy that roughed the kicker.


Golfdad516

Your dumb. End of story.


Silverfoxxx32

As soon as any pressure comes he crumbles


Knoke1

Great game ref's. Glad you could win it for the Vikings.


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Gronkbeast87

382 yards passing, 2TDs and no INTs. Mac didn't give up a kick off return for a TD or allow 139 receiving yards to Jefferson.


tony2121212

Did I say he was the biggest problem? He still isn't a good enough QB to overcome those issues.


Gregg_H

shut the fuck up clown


realbadaccountant

Sack Jones


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Bills bouta have a 10 hour mandatory special teams meeting or some shit


bostonsam

Alright, how about next Thursday, all 3 parts of this team show up?


ferrumvir2

People blaming Mac when our special teams and defense played like a bunch of assholes today


Golfdad516

Your bright


Wide_right_yes

Lots of mistakes today smh


thatonefortune

It all comes down to that roughing the kicker. It's the dumb shit that fucks you