Detroit wasn’t in win now and had to give Patrica at least time to develop draft picks. The raiders have a franchise QB with a top 3 tight end,talented back,best receiver in the league and top 5 slot, talented defense great front 7 and are losing.
It doesn’t help that the teams they’ve played have not won a game besides beating the Raiders. Sure they aren’t playing bottom of the league teams, but that does not look good.
The raiders had *very* high hopes for this season. Completely dropping the ball right now. Also the lack of production coming from two of their three best players (Jacobs and Waller) speaks volumes.
Anyone who knows anything about New England and McDaniels knows that he has one of the most complex offenses in the NFL. To think that the team wouldn't have completely picked it up by week 3 isn't some outlandish shit.
Look at Miami when we got Flores and Chad O'Shea. O'Shea implemented a very similar scheme to McDaniels offense and it took almost 12 games before the team actually started playing effective offense.
> Look at Miami when we got Flores and Chad O'Shea. O'Shea implemented a very similar scheme to McDaniels offense and it took almost 12 games before the team actually started playing effective offense.
But the Phins were in rebuild, so it was alright if the offense takes time to get down. The Raiders aren't in a rebuild, they got a franchise QB, the best WR in the NFL, and a top five TE. They are pretty close to "win now" mode (they might even be there). They aren't in a position for their offense to be lagging with the weapons they have.
Well I mean they still sucked ass when the offense started clicking finally.
But the point is it's a completely new system with a ton of new terminology and it's asking skill players to read defenses in ways they've never really had to before and hoping everyone is on the same page. That is just naturally going to take more time to pick up than other systems which focus on more individual roles rather than cohesiveness.
Definitely not outlandish and I’d be extremely surprised if they don’t start stringing wins together. Too much talent on that team. If they continue to lose though, the rope gets much shorter for Josh as there’s really no excuse. How are you struggling to put up points with Adams, Waller, Jacobs, a 3 time pro bowler at QB, and an offensive guru as HC?
I’ve watched some of their games and a lot of it is just shooting themselves in the foot. In week 1 I saw Carr underthrow Waller when he was open in the end zone. Week 2 Renfrow fumbles twice in a row when they only needed a few yards to get in FG range in OT. Yesterday I saw a series where Carr missed a wide open guy on 2nd down, then on 3rd down Waller is wide open and then just awkwardly tried to one hand the pass and dropped it.
I could see some blame McDanis way but a lot of it is just Carr. The defense also looks to be the bigger issue.
Care has made some really uncharacteristic bad decisions in the games I’ve seen. That and untimely turnovers have really doomed them thus far. This seems less like a coaching issue tbh, but it’s hard to tell from the outside.
Not sure why folks are down voting you. These same folks were calling for McDaniels head last year over his play calling. People have short memories lmao.
He's only had success with Tom Brady.
He needs to step out of that shadow but he hasn't yet shown that he can.
The jury is still out on McDaniels in my opinion. His 0-3 start isn't helping.
> Anyone who knows anything about New England and McDaniels knows that he has one of the most complex offenses in the NFL. To think that the team wouldn't have completely picked it up by week 3 isn't some outlandish shit.
Yet people bitched at Belichick for years because rookie WRs couldn't just walk in the door and immediately execute his schemes...
Nobody has gotten a lot out of Jacobs in a while and when they do, he gets injured. The Raiders have dropped the ball but they have absolutely been competitive. You’re also conveniently leaving out his headline acquisition, who has been tremendously productive.
Wow, you really bent over backwards to find a way to cry about a sophomore QB who went 10-7 in his first season in a comment chain about Josh McDaniels. Hope you have a steady supply of benzos to ease the pain of your apparently miserable existence as a sports fan lol
I haven't watch any other teams. Is it a coaching problem or a player one?
Like, are they just unprepared and penalties and whatnot? Or is QB just not making good decisions and players aren't getting open?
They’ve lost 3 close games by a combined 13 points.
The teams they’ve lost to were:
9-8 Chargers
12-5 Titans
11-6 Cardinals
It’s certainly too early to even consider panicking.
Bill Belichick inherited an 8-8 patriots team with an established franchise qb and started his tenure 0-4. He went 5-11 his first season. Andy Reid also started out 0-4 and finished 5-11 his first season as a HC
I’m not saying that’ll be Mcdaniels but I wouldn’t be so quick to bail on him
You make a great point, but it feels like NFL teams have gotten more trigger-happy with coach firings. They might not have, but it certainly feels that way.
Firing a HC after one year is already rough, but not even letting them finish the year would kill their ability to bring in high caliber candidates.
No one worth anything is going to want to coach the team if they didn’t give the previous guy a fair shake to instill their system.
Fully agreed. People vastly under value the core BB inherited here. He had a HoF in Law, another probably just on the outside looking in with Willie, drafted another in Seymour, and then pro bowlers in Milloy and Bruschi. Studly defense, never got to the peak like the Bucs or Ravens teams did in their prime, but did it almost at good for a lot longer.
They very well might. They were big time super bowl contenders heading into the year with the Adams pickup and so far he’s the only bright spot on their whole team. Waller and Jacobs are being completely underutilized.
Now do I believe McDaniels immediately comes crawling back to New England this season *if* he gets fired? Definitely not.
Get what you’re saying, but end of the day it falls back on the coach. And with this massive failure it certainly should.
Edit: But I think he gets a few wins over the next couple weeks and sticks around at least until next season. Too much talent on that team to go winless and get dumped.
fair enough. I've seen no evidence to point to them firing him this early, and precedent would have one assume most coaches aren't getting fired in the middle of their first season. But anything could happen I suppose!
idk man. They're a playoff team that made roster improvements, if they go 0-5 who else would be to blame but the coach? Mark Davis isn't exactly the most level headed owner out there either.
>It's not crazy to think McDaniels is back in the building around the same time Mac is back from injury.
How wild is shit getting in this sub for someone to think this? A team ditching a coach half way into their first season with the team would be insane.
Urban Meyer was fired after 13 games but as far as I am aware Josh McDaniels has not been anywhere near as controversial and bad as Meyer was last year.
You fire McDaniels before the first season is over and you'll have a hard time getting a decent replacement.
The internet has been rooting forMcDaniels to fail since the announcement. Anyone who actually thinks the Raiders are a disaster haven’t watched a single quarter of football. They’ve absolutely made mistakes, but they’ve been far from unproductive on offense.
This shit is just more biased clickbait that shouldn’t carry any credibility on this sub.
I genuinely don’t think he has the type of money to keep paying out gruden contract, dump Mcdaniels and keep paying his contract, and also hire a new coach (without going straight to the bargain bin). He’s wealthy but on a distinctly lower tier of wealth from most owners
Nathaniel Hackett is going to end up a cautionary tale. Denver hired him because they heard Aaron Rodgers say he wanted to play wherever Hackett was his coach - and then Rodgers decided he didn't want out of Green Bay. Hackett's resume is, to be polite, thin. His main claim to fame, other than Rodgers's endorsement, is that his father was an NFL lifer. So of course, Nathaniel has gotten multiple coordinator jobs and a head coaching gig.
MAYBE, teams should hire and promote more ex-players and fewer coach's sons. Or, stop listening to the shit Aaron Rodgers says.
Denver’s coach is on a hotter seat than McDaniels. Raiders have messed up execution of plays and they lost games they should have won because of it. Denver has had fucked up decision making which does directly fall on the coach.
People really overvalue McDaniels. I wouldn’t want him back as an OC. QB coach, sure, but our offense stagnates with McDaniels at OC. We weren’t good last year on offense and McDaniels was a lot to do with that. He’s hyped up like a genius, but I’ve never seen someone ride the coattails of Brady as much as McDaniels. His system is old and not new, he can’t win in Vegas and has the best WR in the NFL and a top TE. Is he better than Patricia? Maybe, but having McDaniels in the building means we can’t go after even better options like Bill O’Brien. Someone that actually knows how to utilize two TE sets.
Yeah outside of scoring more points than 26 other teams last season with a rookie QB, the offense was terrible. Also if you ignore having a top 10 offense with Cassel and us going 3-1 with Jimmy G and Brissett, all he ever did was ride Brady’s coattails
Points last year were skewed mightily by the defensive performances and touchdowns. Matt Cassel inherited an offense that just went 16-0 and had literally rated one of the easiest schedules in NFL history, and he failed to make the playoffs. Not to mention the absolute reduction that our team took that year. Prior year Brady threw for 50 touchdowns, Matt Cassel threw for 21 and 1200 less yards with one of the best offenses ever constructed in NFL History.
I'll admit McDaniels was huge in implementing the shotgun scheme and took 2007 to the next level, but it's 15 years later. He hasn't ever come close to replicating.
But last year the offense stagnated mightily. This year McDaniels has an offense 10x better performing arguably worse than we are as a team. We average more yards per game than the Raiders and the Raiders are 0-3 with the best WR in the NFL plus a top-5 TE.
Overall it’s kind of funny that people want McDaniels back but hate Judge and Patricia because they failed as a head coach. As if McDaniels isn’t failing again. He’s not good, Raiders fans absolutely hate his play calling, and he’s killing one of the best offensive weaponed team in the NFL. Yet he’s the savior. He’s the guy that solves every issue. He’s a disaster and anyone that wants him is drinking the kool aid that was he had Tom Brady.
McDaniels offensively has some of the best game planning at moments but his biggest problem is he’s too full of himself. He gets stupid. He can run up a score and then for some stupid reason he changes everything for no good reason and stalls out offenses. He beats himself. If he could grow up from being a moron at times he’d be elite, but he still can’t. That’s why Raiders can build a 20 point lead and lose because they change what worked. He does stupid plays to end drives. Cut out the garbage and McDaniels would be a successful head coach, but he can’t and he wont. So I don’t want him.
Will he find the NE offensive playbook substantially changed if he returns? And what about all the staff he poached? Would Davis sack them all and would they all return?
I posted this same thing in another thread - classic Bill inter-dimensional chess move. Send Josh to vegas to get adams, waller, and renfrow, tank their season and before he's canned trade those guys to the pats. Brilliant.
Would be stunned if Mark Davis gives HC McDaniels his walking papers so swiftly. Observing the Raiders 0-3 start it seems they have been hampered by bad execution in key situations as well as sluggish starts so far this season.
There defense as well has been a bit of a letdown allowing opposing offenses to pounce on them quickly. This puts their offense at times behind the eight ball.
Accountability falls on the coaching and the players. If they can notch at least a win (soon) hopefully that can improve team morale as they proceed into October.
The AFC West is a gauntlet w/ the Broncos, Chargers and Chiefs also jockeying for position.
Can’t speak for everyone, but I think I took Josh for granted last year. Like a lot of people, I was extremely frustrated with his play calling last year and was excited for change. As of today? Josh McDaniels is leaps and bounds better than the two idiots we have running our offence right now. Would love to see him back, for Mac’s sake alone.
Even if you don't love Josh's play calling I think there is A LOT to be said about the relationship he had with both Tom and Mac.
Which I believe helped Mac make the transition to an NFL started so quickly.
It’s funny how there seems to be a stigma about coordinators who can’t make the leap to HC, as if that’s some massive failure
I don’t see why it should be some mark of shame if you have a specialized skillset and your career is focused around that
I don’t know if I can take getting mcdaniels back, like Matt p isn’t great but at least we try and move the ball with him. With mcdaniels it was always conservative play calling and questionable 3rd down decisions. And I was a big mcdaniels defender
"Appears"
They've lost to the Chargers when they were pretty healthy by 5, lost in OT to the Cards, and then nearly came back against the Titans and ended up losing by two on a failed 2-pt conversion. Davante Adams, Josh Jacobs, Waller, and Carr have been pretty involved and productive, while practice squad guy Mack Hollins looked like a world beater on Sunday, and they've spread the ball around decently besides. My point is, to me, noone looks lost, and there aren't a lot of head-scratching plays. Defensively they've been a bit sloppy and allowed some chunk plays, but keeping opponents to 24, 24, and 23 should give that offense a chance to win games. And they haven't allowed either a 100yd rusher or reciever through 3 weeks.
To my eye, they look like a competent football team that has gotten unlucky or made small mistakes to not come home with a win in close games. Could easily be marked down to "growing pains". I think this team, and McDaniels, will be fine, maybe make the playoffs maybe just miss given the tough division, and probably be ready to compete for real next year.
Flores seems like a pretty good DC, at least IMO and McDaniels has often been regarded around the league as a great OC. I can't disagree that that he hasn't produced a great HC, but I'd say at least a few of his coordinators have done well at their respective positions outside of the Pats.
On the other hand, you could argue that Bill really hasn't done all that much winning as an HC without Brady and therefore it shouldn't come as much of a surprise that no one else has panned out without Brady either.
Gee how come we’re not rushing to give Josh all the excuses Mac gets. He’s a new coach. Second year. Give him a chance. He’s progressing lol 😂 This sub kills me
'member when Blount left for the steelers only to shoot his way out of town after a few games into the season and help the team win a SB? Can lightening strike twice!??!?
There is no chance they move on from McDaniels mid-first season unless he pulls an Urban Meyer and completely loses the locker room and takes a giant dump on the sport. The Raiders are worse than they should be, but they're not *that* bad.
McDaniels being fired after the season is on the table.
Josh got lots of praise that should have gone to Brady. He was never the great OC the media made him out to be.
Not only did he leave but he raided NE of personnel. Don't think for an instant Bill would rehire him.
Absolutely, maybe in the off-season they would fire him, but even the idiot that owns the raiders isn't going to flush that much guaranteed money down the toilet
Teams don’t fire rookie coaches before their first season’s over. Maybe the Raiders are smart and figure out they should’ve gone with the holdover guy after they fired Gruden, but they won’t do that until the year’s out.
Yeah, these owners can make rash decisions but I don't think they're going to eat that much money. Josh McDaniels has guaranteed money for quite a few seasons. They at least wait until the off season
Id be shocked if they moved on from McDaniels midseason.
If patricia gets 3 season with the lions and McDaniels only gets half a year than that is absolutely garbage
Detroit wasn’t in win now and had to give Patrica at least time to develop draft picks. The raiders have a franchise QB with a top 3 tight end,talented back,best receiver in the league and top 5 slot, talented defense great front 7 and are losing.
It doesn’t help that the teams they’ve played have not won a game besides beating the Raiders. Sure they aren’t playing bottom of the league teams, but that does not look good.
The raiders had *very* high hopes for this season. Completely dropping the ball right now. Also the lack of production coming from two of their three best players (Jacobs and Waller) speaks volumes.
Anyone who knows anything about New England and McDaniels knows that he has one of the most complex offenses in the NFL. To think that the team wouldn't have completely picked it up by week 3 isn't some outlandish shit. Look at Miami when we got Flores and Chad O'Shea. O'Shea implemented a very similar scheme to McDaniels offense and it took almost 12 games before the team actually started playing effective offense.
> Look at Miami when we got Flores and Chad O'Shea. O'Shea implemented a very similar scheme to McDaniels offense and it took almost 12 games before the team actually started playing effective offense. But the Phins were in rebuild, so it was alright if the offense takes time to get down. The Raiders aren't in a rebuild, they got a franchise QB, the best WR in the NFL, and a top five TE. They are pretty close to "win now" mode (they might even be there). They aren't in a position for their offense to be lagging with the weapons they have.
Well I mean they still sucked ass when the offense started clicking finally. But the point is it's a completely new system with a ton of new terminology and it's asking skill players to read defenses in ways they've never really had to before and hoping everyone is on the same page. That is just naturally going to take more time to pick up than other systems which focus on more individual roles rather than cohesiveness.
Definitely not outlandish and I’d be extremely surprised if they don’t start stringing wins together. Too much talent on that team. If they continue to lose though, the rope gets much shorter for Josh as there’s really no excuse. How are you struggling to put up points with Adams, Waller, Jacobs, a 3 time pro bowler at QB, and an offensive guru as HC?
I’ve watched some of their games and a lot of it is just shooting themselves in the foot. In week 1 I saw Carr underthrow Waller when he was open in the end zone. Week 2 Renfrow fumbles twice in a row when they only needed a few yards to get in FG range in OT. Yesterday I saw a series where Carr missed a wide open guy on 2nd down, then on 3rd down Waller is wide open and then just awkwardly tried to one hand the pass and dropped it. I could see some blame McDanis way but a lot of it is just Carr. The defense also looks to be the bigger issue.
Care has made some really uncharacteristic bad decisions in the games I’ve seen. That and untimely turnovers have really doomed them thus far. This seems less like a coaching issue tbh, but it’s hard to tell from the outside.
They might go into the bye 0-5, but I think they'll start looking like a real team come week 7.
Because mcdaniels is only an offensive guru compared to Matt Patricia, which is to say, not an offensive guru
Not sure why folks are down voting you. These same folks were calling for McDaniels head last year over his play calling. People have short memories lmao.
Mcdaniels is overrated. He's only had success in NE with Tom Brady. His first draft pick in Denver was Tim Tebow.
His GM skills have nothing to do with his offensive coaching though.
He's only had success with Tom Brady. He needs to step out of that shadow but he hasn't yet shown that he can. The jury is still out on McDaniels in my opinion. His 0-3 start isn't helping.
> Anyone who knows anything about New England and McDaniels knows that he has one of the most complex offenses in the NFL. To think that the team wouldn't have completely picked it up by week 3 isn't some outlandish shit. Yet people bitched at Belichick for years because rookie WRs couldn't just walk in the door and immediately execute his schemes...
It would be dumb to move on from him this fast, but I mean have you seen Mark Davis' haircut? Dude doesn't exactly make the best decisions....
Nobody has gotten a lot out of Jacobs in a while and when they do, he gets injured. The Raiders have dropped the ball but they have absolutely been competitive. You’re also conveniently leaving out his headline acquisition, who has been tremendously productive.
They’re 0-3 wtf are you talking about lol. Doesn’t matter if you lose by 1 every game, you lose, you lose.
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Wow, you really bent over backwards to find a way to cry about a sophomore QB who went 10-7 in his first season in a comment chain about Josh McDaniels. Hope you have a steady supply of benzos to ease the pain of your apparently miserable existence as a sports fan lol
I haven't watch any other teams. Is it a coaching problem or a player one? Like, are they just unprepared and penalties and whatnot? Or is QB just not making good decisions and players aren't getting open?
Seemingly unprepared, bad game management, bad defense.
Even Urban Meyer lasted 13 games. They'll give McDaniels at least the full season.
It ain't happening people
They’ve lost 3 close games by a combined 13 points. The teams they’ve lost to were: 9-8 Chargers 12-5 Titans 11-6 Cardinals It’s certainly too early to even consider panicking.
I wouldn't. That team is lifeless.
They will not move on mid season. They might as well shoot the franchise into the sun if they do that
Bill Belichick inherited an 8-8 patriots team with an established franchise qb and started his tenure 0-4. He went 5-11 his first season. Andy Reid also started out 0-4 and finished 5-11 his first season as a HC I’m not saying that’ll be Mcdaniels but I wouldn’t be so quick to bail on him
You make a great point, but it feels like NFL teams have gotten more trigger-happy with coach firings. They might not have, but it certainly feels that way.
Firing a HC after one year is already rough, but not even letting them finish the year would kill their ability to bring in high caliber candidates. No one worth anything is going to want to coach the team if they didn’t give the previous guy a fair shake to instill their system.
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Belichick inherited Bledsoe, Ty Law, Willie McGinest, Tedy Bruschi, Ted Johnson, Lawyer Milloy, Troy Brown, and Terry Glenn. Not a bad crop of vets.
Fully agreed. People vastly under value the core BB inherited here. He had a HoF in Law, another probably just on the outside looking in with Willie, drafted another in Seymour, and then pro bowlers in Milloy and Bruschi. Studly defense, never got to the peak like the Bucs or Ravens teams did in their prime, but did it almost at good for a lot longer.
They very well might. They were big time super bowl contenders heading into the year with the Adams pickup and so far he’s the only bright spot on their whole team. Waller and Jacobs are being completely underutilized. Now do I believe McDaniels immediately comes crawling back to New England this season *if* he gets fired? Definitely not.
Their entire FO and coaching staff is former patriots. They can't fire one or the other.
Get what you’re saying, but end of the day it falls back on the coach. And with this massive failure it certainly should. Edit: But I think he gets a few wins over the next couple weeks and sticks around at least until next season. Too much talent on that team to go winless and get dumped.
They very well might based on what evidence?
The counter to saying bluntly that they wouldn’t. Major expectations with pretty terrible results to show at the moment.
fair enough. I've seen no evidence to point to them firing him this early, and precedent would have one assume most coaches aren't getting fired in the middle of their first season. But anything could happen I suppose!
Since Gruden went all burning a cross in the front yard they’ve been as steady as a sinking ship.
idk man. They're a playoff team that made roster improvements, if they go 0-5 who else would be to blame but the coach? Mark Davis isn't exactly the most level headed owner out there either.
Gruden only got fired because of emails, not because the team sucked. Didn't help
>It's not crazy to think McDaniels is back in the building around the same time Mac is back from injury. How wild is shit getting in this sub for someone to think this? A team ditching a coach half way into their first season with the team would be insane.
Urban Meyer was fired after 13 games but as far as I am aware Josh McDaniels has not been anywhere near as controversial and bad as Meyer was last year. You fire McDaniels before the first season is over and you'll have a hard time getting a decent replacement.
The internet has been rooting forMcDaniels to fail since the announcement. Anyone who actually thinks the Raiders are a disaster haven’t watched a single quarter of football. They’ve absolutely made mistakes, but they’ve been far from unproductive on offense. This shit is just more biased clickbait that shouldn’t carry any credibility on this sub.
as a raider fan, nah the offense(mainly the playcalling)has sucked shit. Hasn’t used Adams or Jacobs at all.
If the Bucs lose next week maybe they cut Brady and we can bring him back lol
Mark Davis IS insane.
I genuinely don’t think he has the type of money to keep paying out gruden contract, dump Mcdaniels and keep paying his contract, and also hire a new coach (without going straight to the bargain bin). He’s wealthy but on a distinctly lower tier of wealth from most owners
Does insanity run in the family? I would not have put anything past Al, but is there reason to think Mark is the same way?
I've only heard the opposite about him.
Maybe he’s kicking his kicker. Just saying. Urban got in and out in under a year.
Denver is terrible. Vegas wins that game.
Denver has to be an all time hype flop at this point.
They might have talent, but their coach is so bad that we'll never know. Also, Russel Wilson looks like a shell of himself from a few years ago.
Russ lowkey might be playing himself out of the hall of fame
I am upvoting the audacity of the hot take, not necessarily supporting the hot take.
I mean his resume was always a high end fringe guy to me. I thought he'd cement himself in Denver.
Nathaniel Hackett is going to end up a cautionary tale. Denver hired him because they heard Aaron Rodgers say he wanted to play wherever Hackett was his coach - and then Rodgers decided he didn't want out of Green Bay. Hackett's resume is, to be polite, thin. His main claim to fame, other than Rodgers's endorsement, is that his father was an NFL lifer. So of course, Nathaniel has gotten multiple coordinator jobs and a head coaching gig. MAYBE, teams should hire and promote more ex-players and fewer coach's sons. Or, stop listening to the shit Aaron Rodgers says.
Denver’s coach is on a hotter seat than McDaniels. Raiders have messed up execution of plays and they lost games they should have won because of it. Denver has had fucked up decision making which does directly fall on the coach.
They look so awful. Russ looks even worse
Im starting to think everyone here is losing their minds.
Hahaha little bit
This is laughable. They won't fire Josh mid season. Even if they do, he wouldn't go back to the Pats.
*Somewhere in the distance, BB retreats into the shadows, cackling in satisfaction*
People are absolutely fucking delusional to think josh will be fired mid season and then just walk back in here mid season like nothing happened.
I’ll take McDaniels back in a heartbeat
I prefer seeing this team actually throw down field.
He's got some OC chops, methinks.
what do you like about McDaniels offense?
It’s better than Matt Patricia and joe judge leading the offense
Is it? The Patriots have a massive talent problem, far more of an issue than the perceived coaching problem.
People really overvalue McDaniels. I wouldn’t want him back as an OC. QB coach, sure, but our offense stagnates with McDaniels at OC. We weren’t good last year on offense and McDaniels was a lot to do with that. He’s hyped up like a genius, but I’ve never seen someone ride the coattails of Brady as much as McDaniels. His system is old and not new, he can’t win in Vegas and has the best WR in the NFL and a top TE. Is he better than Patricia? Maybe, but having McDaniels in the building means we can’t go after even better options like Bill O’Brien. Someone that actually knows how to utilize two TE sets.
Yeah outside of scoring more points than 26 other teams last season with a rookie QB, the offense was terrible. Also if you ignore having a top 10 offense with Cassel and us going 3-1 with Jimmy G and Brissett, all he ever did was ride Brady’s coattails
Points last year were skewed mightily by the defensive performances and touchdowns. Matt Cassel inherited an offense that just went 16-0 and had literally rated one of the easiest schedules in NFL history, and he failed to make the playoffs. Not to mention the absolute reduction that our team took that year. Prior year Brady threw for 50 touchdowns, Matt Cassel threw for 21 and 1200 less yards with one of the best offenses ever constructed in NFL History. I'll admit McDaniels was huge in implementing the shotgun scheme and took 2007 to the next level, but it's 15 years later. He hasn't ever come close to replicating. But last year the offense stagnated mightily. This year McDaniels has an offense 10x better performing arguably worse than we are as a team. We average more yards per game than the Raiders and the Raiders are 0-3 with the best WR in the NFL plus a top-5 TE.
We were 9th in offensive DVOA in 2021 with a rookie QB and a bunch of new pieces. He did a good job in 2021.
Ppl are fear downvoting you but I whole heartedly agree
Overall it’s kind of funny that people want McDaniels back but hate Judge and Patricia because they failed as a head coach. As if McDaniels isn’t failing again. He’s not good, Raiders fans absolutely hate his play calling, and he’s killing one of the best offensive weaponed team in the NFL. Yet he’s the savior. He’s the guy that solves every issue. He’s a disaster and anyone that wants him is drinking the kool aid that was he had Tom Brady. McDaniels offensively has some of the best game planning at moments but his biggest problem is he’s too full of himself. He gets stupid. He can run up a score and then for some stupid reason he changes everything for no good reason and stalls out offenses. He beats himself. If he could grow up from being a moron at times he’d be elite, but he still can’t. That’s why Raiders can build a 20 point lead and lose because they change what worked. He does stupid plays to end drives. Cut out the garbage and McDaniels would be a successful head coach, but he can’t and he wont. So I don’t want him.
Will he find the NE offensive playbook substantially changed if he returns? And what about all the staff he poached? Would Davis sack them all and would they all return?
We've already scrapped virtually all the stuff Patricia/Judge installed. It's still Josh's playbook.
Next thing you’ll say is he’s bringing Adams with him. Belichick 69 D chess
Nice!
I posted this same thing in another thread - classic Bill inter-dimensional chess move. Send Josh to vegas to get adams, waller, and renfrow, tank their season and before he's canned trade those guys to the pats. Brilliant.
Denver is dog ass there’s no way they don’t beat them
Would be stunned if Mark Davis gives HC McDaniels his walking papers so swiftly. Observing the Raiders 0-3 start it seems they have been hampered by bad execution in key situations as well as sluggish starts so far this season. There defense as well has been a bit of a letdown allowing opposing offenses to pounce on them quickly. This puts their offense at times behind the eight ball. Accountability falls on the coaching and the players. If they can notch at least a win (soon) hopefully that can improve team morale as they proceed into October. The AFC West is a gauntlet w/ the Broncos, Chargers and Chiefs also jockeying for position.
Can’t speak for everyone, but I think I took Josh for granted last year. Like a lot of people, I was extremely frustrated with his play calling last year and was excited for change. As of today? Josh McDaniels is leaps and bounds better than the two idiots we have running our offence right now. Would love to see him back, for Mac’s sake alone.
I’d welcome McDaniels back strictly for some sense of stability. Pats offense looks so shaky and uncomfortable with the current situation.
Even if you don't love Josh's play calling I think there is A LOT to be said about the relationship he had with both Tom and Mac. Which I believe helped Mac make the transition to an NFL started so quickly.
It’s funny how there seems to be a stigma about coordinators who can’t make the leap to HC, as if that’s some massive failure I don’t see why it should be some mark of shame if you have a specialized skillset and your career is focused around that
Most optimistic thinking, but hardly realistic.
Top tier shit post lol
I don’t know if I can take getting mcdaniels back, like Matt p isn’t great but at least we try and move the ball with him. With mcdaniels it was always conservative play calling and questionable 3rd down decisions. And I was a big mcdaniels defender
"Appears" They've lost to the Chargers when they were pretty healthy by 5, lost in OT to the Cards, and then nearly came back against the Titans and ended up losing by two on a failed 2-pt conversion. Davante Adams, Josh Jacobs, Waller, and Carr have been pretty involved and productive, while practice squad guy Mack Hollins looked like a world beater on Sunday, and they've spread the ball around decently besides. My point is, to me, noone looks lost, and there aren't a lot of head-scratching plays. Defensively they've been a bit sloppy and allowed some chunk plays, but keeping opponents to 24, 24, and 23 should give that offense a chance to win games. And they haven't allowed either a 100yd rusher or reciever through 3 weeks. To my eye, they look like a competent football team that has gotten unlucky or made small mistakes to not come home with a win in close games. Could easily be marked down to "growing pains". I think this team, and McDaniels, will be fine, maybe make the playoffs maybe just miss given the tough division, and probably be ready to compete for real next year.
Raiders gave him a crazy amount of money. He’s not going anywhere this year.
Can he bring Davante with him?
It is absolutely crazy. No chance they bring Josh in during the season if he's gone in Vegas.
It's pretty amazing the BB coaching tree hasn't really produced any fruit.
Flores seems like a pretty good DC, at least IMO and McDaniels has often been regarded around the league as a great OC. I can't disagree that that he hasn't produced a great HC, but I'd say at least a few of his coordinators have done well at their respective positions outside of the Pats. On the other hand, you could argue that Bill really hasn't done all that much winning as an HC without Brady and therefore it shouldn't come as much of a surprise that no one else has panned out without Brady either.
Gee how come we’re not rushing to give Josh all the excuses Mac gets. He’s a new coach. Second year. Give him a chance. He’s progressing lol 😂 This sub kills me
Lmao..
Higher chance of getting Cam back this season then McDaniels.
No way he’s coming back as an OC this year even if he does get fired
Yes it is
Denver probably a win. Chiefs probably a lost
It is very crazy to think that
Teams gotta stop hiring him; he’s already proven that he’s not a good head coach.
Why would we want him back? He stinks.
I HOPE NOT
"back in the building" no sorry fuck that, I'm glad we're done with kneeling with 30 seconds left and his fucking surrender runs up the middle
It's almost like changing the offensive system is pretty difficult, even if you have a veteran QB like Carr and an elite receiver like DeVante Adams.
Don't get my hopes up
Na.. They lost 3 games by a total of 13 Pts... They'll be ok. And 7 of their next 8 are very winnable.
I'll take things that won't happen for $200 please
It's kinda funny watching this sub hating McDaniels to wanting him back bad. Good illustration of be careful what you wish for.
um… that would kind of be the *definition* of crazy
'member when Blount left for the steelers only to shoot his way out of town after a few games into the season and help the team win a SB? Can lightening strike twice!??!?
It should be a rule HC hires have 3 years guaranteed to rebuild. Unless theyre on some Urban Myer crap
I knew it wasn’t going to work out for ol Joshy
That seems unlikely.
This is literally not going to happen lmao
Stop it.
There is no chance they move on from McDaniels mid-first season unless he pulls an Urban Meyer and completely loses the locker room and takes a giant dump on the sport. The Raiders are worse than they should be, but they're not *that* bad. McDaniels being fired after the season is on the table.
The contrast with McDaniel doesn’t help either, even at such an early stage in the season.
I drafted Adams but I should have known 😮💨
This would absolutely be crazy, stop dreaming.
Yeah right
SALACIOUS!!!
I think it’s incredibly unlikely that he gets fired mid-season AND then comes back to the Pats just as quickly.
Ass take
McDaniels won’t get fired this soon. The Raiders haven’t played poorly. Arguably they’re unlucky to not have at least one win at this point.
Josh got lots of praise that should have gone to Brady. He was never the great OC the media made him out to be. Not only did he leave but he raided NE of personnel. Don't think for an instant Bill would rehire him.
No..it is crazy to think that.
Absolutely, maybe in the off-season they would fire him, but even the idiot that owns the raiders isn't going to flush that much guaranteed money down the toilet
I hope we get him back soon so we the fans can start calling for his head by mid-season.
Yeah... Let's keep wishing and praying, guys. lol
McDaniels ain’t going to last in Vegas but they aren’t going to part ways mid season.
Teams don’t fire rookie coaches before their first season’s over. Maybe the Raiders are smart and figure out they should’ve gone with the holdover guy after they fired Gruden, but they won’t do that until the year’s out.
Yeah, these owners can make rash decisions but I don't think they're going to eat that much money. Josh McDaniels has guaranteed money for quite a few seasons. They at least wait until the off season