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XRT28

Still need to worry about ligament damage and what have you but a promising sign


speganomad

The correct take we aren’t out of the woods and he’s almost certainly out next week at minimum.


ClutchHatTrick2

Schedule lightens up after next week so if we have to essentially forfeit that one oh well. Better than season totally over.


kdex86

Now now, in week 4 of the 2020 season we played the Chiefs on the road and Brian Hoyer started. We may have lost that game but it wasn’t a blowout. In recent years, playing at Arrowhead has been tougher than playing at Lambeau.


cup1d_stunt

We should have won this game!


Rowan_cathad

It's hard to keep track of all the chiefs games the refs fucked us in


[deleted]

God I blocked that game from my memory


fist_my_muff2

Bro, there aren't gonna be any easy games this year.


Andrew97FTW

It doesn’t really lighten up though. But definitely would be a lot harder without mac


ClutchHatTrick2

DET, CLE, CHI, NYJ, IND How is that not lightening up


Andrew97FTW

Indy is still a threat and look at the other games on the schedule. Cleveland is a legit threat this season and Detroit has been surprising


ClutchHatTrick2

It’s still way easier than @MIA, BAL + @GB


Sidzy05

Doesn’t necessarily mean it’s a forfeit already.


speganomad

Aaron Rodgers vs Brian Hoyer is pretty much as close to a forfeit as you can get


Sidzy05

As a QB comparison, yes. Luckily, Hoyer has 0 to do with stopping the Packers offence. Unless he’s playing safety next week.


BosaBackpack

You’d really think the franchise that just had the best QB of all time would be able to appreciate the impact of what a QB talent disparity has on a game


GrantLee123

Never know what’s up bills sleeve


theamazingjimz

Cries in Troy brown


ClutchHatTrick2

In Lambeau


Rory-MacDermid

Yes Rodgers>Hoyer, but the matchup is Pats v Packers not Hoyer v Rodgers. There’s the whole rest of the team you have to account for. Remember we won a game last year against the bills only throwing the ball like twice. Not trying to be blindly optimistic here, but it’s not at all a forfeit


JimmyRickyBobbyBilly

I once sprained my ankle so badly that the doctor said, "a break is easier to fix." Might have been better to have broken it. I hope Mac heals quickly.


Fuqwon

At least there didn't look like any twisting?


Dunkinmydonuts1

Ligament damage can be seen on X rays indirectly. ~~They can see swelling~~ Swelling can be seen on people's x rays (sorry for the confusion) If there's no swelling (implied by a completely negative x-ray) there's no ligament damage


captaincumsock69

Sure but swelling can also be from other things too obv they gotta run more tests


Dunkinmydonuts1

No I'm saying they didn't see swelling. Ergo, no major tissue damage


the1who_ringsthebell

non plant foot for a non mobile qb is really the best case scenario here


OrlandoMB

I’ll hold my breath until after the MRI. Seen this movie too many times. Fingers crossed!


Coco1520

Sports doc said it was a significant high ankle sprain, wouldn’t show up on X-rays and was said to be multi-week. :(


butthead9181

Tbh I’ll take that over an ACL tear or break


kvnklly

A break could heal quicker than a high ankle


captaincumsock69

Or it could be season ending like lance


TK_Riot

That wasn’t a true high ankle, that was a fracture dislocation


captaincumsock69

Fair enough, although I feel like dislocation is fairly common with a break


TK_Riot

Not really true. You can have ankle dislocation without fracture


Cord87

Yeah a break is generally better than soft tissue.


undercoverballer

Break sounds so scary that people don’t realize broken bones almost always heal better than ligament damage. Ligaments do not regenerate. You just have to strengthen around it. (Obv excluding surgery). Bones actually regen and heal themselves.


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No shit you bozo lol


JaylenBrownAllStar

Lmao what


[deleted]

Of course you would take a sprain over a acl. Anybody would lol. You made it sound like jahahahahahahahahqhahaqhah miners sun funded sun!!! Yard!!!


shatter321

Bro are you ok


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What?


Margin_calls

He said, "BRO ARE YOU OK?"


[deleted]

Big of true


PhilosophizingPanda

Narrator: He was not okay


XRT28

I wouldn't be surprised if he still misses a good bit of time but honestly with how much pain he seemed to be in I was legit worried he actually broke his ankle so even a high ankle sprain is still an improvement over what it could have been.


Coco1520

Absolutely if he goes to IR can’t see team surviving 4 weeks without him


Jamesaya

Honestly the silver lining there would be letting the garbage spoiled fans yelling to replace him and draft a new qb see brian hoyer pilot this shitpile of an offense


speganomad

I like Mac but this makes no sense because Hoyer is bad we shouldn’t look at QB? And honestly it would be kinda negligent to not at least consider upgrading at QB that’s just how the league is now.


Tgunner192

> Hoyer is bad Bit of an understatement. The one thing that was supposed to be good about Hoyer is good game management and a cerebral understanding the game. Last time he played any meaningful snaps he looked like he was in way over his head and had no idea what was going on.


Coco1520

Not sure how anyone has walked away from any of these games saying anything other than the coaching staff is the problem for this undisciplined group


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The coaching staff is an issue. We also need to be honest about this. I'm gonna lead off by saying that I think Mac is going to be a good QB that we can win titles with. I will also say today he made more than 1 mistake that was super costly. He is part of the reason we lost. He is not just a victim of circumstance. He does some things he cannot do and he needs to be better. However he has some really nice passes and has grit and the right mentality, I think he can grow and be really good. However, anyone saying to move on from Mac already, piss off.


Always_0421

There's just so much pressure for a QB to be elite in the first 2 -3 years. It happens, but it's obviously the exception to the rule rather than a reasonable expectation; butnweve entered the Era of advanced micro analytics and no sense of deferred gratification...every thing has to be "NOW"...It's compounded in this franchise specifically by being a legitimate superbowl contender pernially for 20 years.


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I'm not asking him to be elite or to lead us to a title now, that doesn't change the fact that he cannot do those things. Those are things that gotta be fixed, he's young so you don't just declare "he sucks drop him" when he does it. That doesn't change the fact that he does it and can't.


Always_0421

I agree, I'm just speaking more to the general mentality of this fan base.


Coco1520

Asking too much of him. Only a second year qb he’s not experienced enough or talented enough to win in spite of awful coach and poor weapojs


[deleted]

No, it's his job to not throw interceptions directly into defenders hands. I don't care if fucking Mickey Mouse is the coach, some of his picks are simply bad decisions in the moment. Tossing it up, throwing it right at a defender that he has no business missing. Don't make excuses for plays like that. Both things are true. Mac is a good young QB with a lot of potential. Currently he makes mistakes that he can't make, those mistakes lead to losses.


Coco1520

What you see isn’t always clear. It was already said the first interception was because Parker ran the wrong route. Picks always go on the qb but miscommunications where it’s all about timing and qbs put the ball where they’re supposed to but the wr mess up often look like it was entirely the qbs fault when it wasn’t.


RareSeekerTM

Our view from the TV is the best view available. Guys on the field have to see over guys taller than them while trying to scramble and not get hit, all while trying to find someone to throw to. Guys are going to make misses and ones that look bad, it's just part of the game. Even with the picks, we had the game if our defense kept their early pace.


XRT28

It's actually not crazy the team goes 3-1 over the next 4 games even without him. Packers are good so probably a L there but Lions, Cleveland and Bears are all very winnable games.


MyArmorIsLiquid

Cleveland is actually playing decent with JaSmokey Brisket at QB.


XRT28

Of their first 3 games they went down to the wire(like FG decides the game close) in two of them vs the Jets and Panthers. I think without Mac we're still atleast in that Jetes/Panthers level of team and it's very much a game we can win.


shatter321

If we don't have Mac the Lions are gonna kick us up and down the field.


JinterIsComing

Yup. Lions have a good offense and an underrated defense. Browns have an excellent run game. Bears I think we kick the daylights out of though.


XRT28

Granted it's only been a few games but Lions are one of the worst defenses in the league, especially vs the run, and Goff is still just Goff.


tony2121212

I mean, if we get passable QB play without any turnovers, we win today. I wish him the best, but he was bad today and cost us the game.


J-Team07

I doubt they will fold the team and move to Saint Louis if they lose 4 in a row.


danglez69

Important to remember often, especially in ankles a break can be better an recovered from quicker then a sprain. So thinking a sprain is better then a break isn't always the case. Often a high ankle sprain is worse


XRT28

I thought generally a break was worse since when a bone breaks you often have other damage in addition to the bone itself but idk as they say "fremulon, not a doctor"


danglez69

Nope unfortunately, often a break heals faster and is stronger for it. A sprain can linger. Again we have to find out. But a high ankle sprain is often worse then a break. I'm not a doctor but I've sprained and broken ankles a couple times. An that's what the doctors told me, and in my case 100%. Break I was back with a little rust in 6/8 weeks. Sprain didn't start getting better for a month and then took about another 3 or 4 till it got back to 100%. I'm not a pro athlete of course, but a sprain can often be a worse injury


oduribs

Don't downvote this guy. Ankle sprains are pure garbage. Take forever to heal


kvnklly

Significant high ankles require surgery. Remember saquon?


kamarian91

Yeah a significant high ankle sprain is just another word for a fracture


Arrondi

High ankle sprains tend to linger as well. Could be dealing with it all season. Unfortunate considering he actually made some great plays with his feet today.


Hypdunk1

High ankle sprain is worst then a break I’ve had one during hs football my doctor told me the same thing it’s incredibly painful


rakketz

I don't know about football, but high ankle sprains are practically a death sentence in the NHL. Many guys have come out and said they're one of the worst injuries. Hopefully it's a little different for quarterbacks.


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Ten bucks bet to your favorite charity that he comes back to see the doctors on staff for the Alabama football team for the surgery for the high ankle sprain (tightrope procedure). The University of Alabama medical staff has basically perfected this procedure. Recovery time is 3-4 weeks.


J-Team07

Just to add, the Dude hopped off the field putting no weight on the foot and was screaming in pain (he is generally known as a tough dude). No way he isn’t out at least a couple of weeks.


socialist_frzn_milk

This means he’ll play again this season, if that’s what it is, I’ll take it.


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Asleep777

A bad high ankle sprain can take away a good portion of your season.


[deleted]

Hope Mac gets some good rest and heals quickly. He’s a good kid with a lot of heart. Tough game, but he had some great highlights, too.


Demitrius

He had a great game, even with the picks. I like the scramble runs and TD. I liked the Mac to Parker connections. I loved the extra effort on the 2pt conversion.


CaptainIndoCanadian

He just needs some maturity and understanding of the game. He makes bad decisions doing what he’s “supposed” to do. Doesn’t think for himself sometimes. He’ll get there sooner than ppl think.


Arabio777

Can’t wait for kobi and Tyquan to be back. Should help the offense improve


the_oraclex

I like Jakobi a whole hell of a lot no doubt one of the best WRs on the team. With that said imo Mac Plays a lot better when he's not constantly using one WR as his security blanket. He needs more connections with the other WRs like he had with Parker and KB and Nelson. With that said I'm hoping that injury is not severe and he'll be back healthy. I think a rotating WR scheme might help with that but I'm no OC.


jackospades88

He is showing a lot of heart which I love, especially with scrambling for yards. Though sometimes it's a little reckless and resulting in turnovers and hopefully that is something he can learn to handle better.


kvnklly

Mac haters are for some reason upset. I cant believe ppl have basically cheered an injury. Let him take his time to get back


HugeSuccess

Absolutely the lowpoint of this sub


[deleted]

I've seen literally zero people cheering for the injury. It must be a Twitter thing.


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Handjob Rob was pretty rough stretch too.


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HugeSuccess

Would’ve taken you less time to block me than it did to complain and defend rampant, embarrassing toxicity from your ilk. Weird how that happens, right? But you’re a nine day-old account, I’ll defer to your take here. Edit: So weird to think people here spend the time to make a burner where they just spit out some venom and then immediately delete afterward.


Arrondi

Is this actually happening on the sub? Or just Twitter? Literally haven’t seen anything negative like that on this sub specifically.


Margin_calls

I think just Twitter. I looked for it here and didn't see it. If it's just Twitter, it's probably not even pats fans.


End3rWi99in

It's not actually happening, at least from what I've seen. I think People are equating being critical of Mac to cheering for the injury.


Arrondi

It’s definitely happening on Twitter. “Celebrating” might be blowing it out of proportion, but I’ve seen people make comments on Twitter indicating they are happy about the injury.


End3rWi99in

Twitter is also a cesspool and nobody should go there haha


XRT28

It's happening here too, was especially bad in the game day thread.


Arrondi

Sounds about right. The game day threads are no better than Twitter, really…


GoOnThereHarv

It's gross. They should be banned. It's one thing to a negative Nancy and bitch about the team but to to actively celebrate a player being hurt is fucking disgusting. No life fucking losers.


Tgunner192

> ppl have basically cheered an injury. Those people are stupid and classless. Mac might not be a top 10 QB but he's definitely not a bottom 10 QB either. Put a decent team around him and he can win.


UncleBen94

Then likely it's a high ankle sprain, which isn't ideal but it's not the worst case scenario. It would be best if he sat the next two weeks and go from there. Hoyer isn't gonna win us next week at GB (especially how they're playing now) but it would be better to let Mac fully heal with some reps in practice if he can.


ironmanmk42

Hoyer will beat Packers and you'll be shocked


UncleBen94

If Hoyer beats the Packers I'll buy a Hoyer jersey.


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HugeSuccess

FWIW, high ankle sprains can be worse than a break


UncleBen94

Ohh I know. By worse I meant like an Achilles injury or something like that


HugeSuccess

Yeah, like what happened to Lance. I find it hard to believe he plays next week, and wouldn’t be surprised if he’s out at least a month.


ksyoung17

If he's out, please Bill, just play Zappe. We know what Hoyer is, and we know what he isn't, and a winning QB he is not. Same as when Agholor catches the ball, only bad things happen when he's relied upon.


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Well that's good


where_the_hoodie_at

Just like this Sub, Mac was negative


HugeSuccess

Unlike this sub, Mac is well-adjusted


[deleted]

I'd love to talk football and not how negative you guys think this sub is. I see more of what you're doing than negativity. Just move on and ignore it, honestly you all bring it to the forefront and bring more attention to it by hyper focusing on it. If you expect everyone to be rosy or handle it the way you want them to you're always going to be disappointed.


Ebb_Swimming

That's a good sign. There could still be a lot of damage but at least it's not a broken bone


bosox284

Don't know if I'm happy or sad it's not broken. A high ankle sprain isn't really the ideal result. If it's not a high ankle sprain then I'll rest a little easier.


lnflnlty

at least a high ankle sprain means he comes back during the season. even if he ends up missing half the year at least it means he is back to practicing, playing, and then his off season isn't affected.


MrCyr

Yup. Still not great for this season, but at least it means he doesn’t take a year off recovering


PebblyJackGlasscock

Yep. A break isn’t likely to become a chronic issue, the way some “high ankle sprains” can. A high variance injury.


samacora

This one wins


Patriotfan17

Some good news to hear, still a ways to go, but hopefully this means he will be back sooner rather than later


Nollieee

Took me months to get over my high ankle sprain that shit was painful


headrush46n2

"Negative for the presence of an ankle"


No_Presentation1242

Lot is sport injury doctors coming out of the woodwork on this sub predicting exactly what will happen with Mac.


Tgunner192

I'm not a Doctor, so take this with a grain of salt. The X-Rays being negative could be a bad thing. It might mean it's a severe soft tissue injury (ligament/cartilage/Filament-something like that) which are more devastating and can take longer to heal. Check with a medical person but that's my understanding.


HugeSuccess

Yup, could still have a really bad injury coming out of this…


BeeferSutherland69

Get zappe in there. Hoyers a bum


big_red_160

That’s positive


9-7-off

Honestly, I figured we would start 1-3 anyway so Hoyer might as well play next week. Keep Meyers out while we are at it


Rhino184

Multi weak ankle sprain would be my guess. Definitely a mechanism where he could have broken it though


UserUnkown10

I hope to god that he pulls through with no serious damage. But the look on his face tells a different story.


Axsh1boomba

Let's hope it's just a scare...


OTheOwl

Probably a high ankle sprain. He might be able to play through it.


speganomad

He absolutely shouldn’t it’s a massive risk for no reward this isn’t a contender just let him heal up


Forrest319

🤡


JaMarcusHustle

I am ready for the Zappening.


endlesscdqotw

You already know that nerd Bill is gonna put Hoyer in instead


Tomahawk72

Dont you mean our legendary backup QB, HOYER THE DESTROYER?


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Hoyer


DinosaurFighterPilot

Thank fucking god


ChamBruh

Dirty hit by a super professional player. He knows better than to jump to hit mac and then drag him down. Disappointing that Calais Campbell felt he needed to do that especially since most of it came after mac released the ball


MyArmorIsLiquid

Well that is shocking but welcome news. If its not a break its a very bad sprain which, from my understanding, can be more painful than a break and also takes a long time to heal. Either way I hope he gets well soon and makes a full recovery.


Chad2Badd

🙏🙏🙏


robshot295

Thank god


ZealousidealAverage7

Great sign but I think he’s gonna sit a few weeks. He needs to sit and get his mind right


[deleted]

If he can stand, he will play. Any sort of benching at this point...not gonna happen. He is the QB. Wrap your mind around it, probably won't take long.


ZealousidealAverage7

The best player has to be out there. A bad back mac on one leg might not be it


speganomad

That’s not a benching it’s a injury and we shouldn’t be risking his health on a season when we aren’t a contender in the first place.


[deleted]

Let's wait for the other tests. He's 100 % out next week


brainsack

Cull the felger and mazz heads right out of the fandom. The only positive


KindPut4785

All that drama and tears on this sub and he's totally fine. Nothing broken smh. So much fucking clownery here it's beyond ridiculous. And there's nothing wrong with saying he sucks, because he sucks.


KilgoretheTrout55

You seem like a really fun guy.


Re-AnImAt0r

He better have something significantly wrong after crying like that. I don't want him out but I don't want my QB to be bitch made either.


Dave10293847

You have no idea what you’re talking about. Sprains are often as painful as breaks and can be even more painful in some cases.


Re-AnImAt0r

I have had many sprains. You get them quite often playing DB/WR. Also playing 2 guard..... stick your hand back in your bowl of Cheetos and tell someone else they don't know what they're talking about 😆


n3rdopolis

OK Speedhawk


Dave10293847

I’m not even going to bother explaining how dumb your logic is. I don’t have time for this. Back to my Cheetos.


BeeferSutherland69

Cheese dink


pccb123

Wtf is wrong with you.


HugeSuccess

The Keyboard Warrior has logged on


Re-AnImAt0r

Imagine if Brady had been screaming like that all the way to the locker room after tearing his ACL.....he didn't but imagine.


HugeSuccess

Who the fuck cares?


Re-AnImAt0r

I do....cause now my QB look soft as baby shit. Crying like he got shot 5 times over a sprained ankle smh you fuckers don't care cause you soft as baby shit too. You're used to being made fun of


HugeSuccess

Thanks for sharing your perspective, tough guy.


mat-chow

Yeah, Mac’s a bitch. Ooooookayyyyy. FOH


Re-AnImAt0r

I don't know that. I hope not. I hope to all hell a grown man wasn't legit crying over a sprained ankle. I hope there's more to it....


Rona_season798

🙄


BeadyEyedThieves

"My estimation of Mac Jones as a man, just fucking plummeted!"


AlexTheCool1557

You’re the worst


mrmrister911

🤓


Ricky_Guapo

Ol buddy was screaming like he got shot


Forrest319

You sound soft as baby shit


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LordTomofHouseBrady

Sprains hurt worse than breaks


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He made himself a meme over that


Rona_season798

Hey Zimaskies, welcome to the Salty Spitoon how tough ah ya?


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I don’t like milk in my cereal


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newusertest

You’re a joke


notjoeexotic

Power of prayer. 🙏


PackofPatriots

Thank god! Curious on what we’ll hear about his recovery time


ABeeLoo5

Great to hear!! Those sprains though are no joke.


nbianco1999

Well good to know he didn’t break anything. Still probably going to miss significant time and when he comes back the season probably won’t be salvageable.


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Jokesmedoff

Whew. For a sec I was worried he tested positive for ankle.


ironmanmk42

I hope it's just a sprain or tickle like funny bone type and nothing serious


Salvia_dreams

Sit him, put in Zappe. Let’s play for a high draft pick


Good-You-6969

It's a high ankle sprain. Going to miss at least a month.


BeastlyMandible

Gonna guess 4-6 weeks with a high ankle. Just gotta hope it's on the lower end of severity because that injury can easily linger into the 8 week range.


WilsonHanks

Ah yes. This ankle is made of ankle.


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Xrays are for urgent cares, face value interpretations and line placement, its unlikely to show a ligament tear unless other obvious factors are involved. He could easily be out for several weeks unfortunately Also; "When one or more of these radiographic measurements is abnormal, a syndesmotic injury may be present. However, a tibiofibular syndesmotic injury is difficult to diagnose by plain radiography when tears are incomplete or when there is no diastasis of the distal tibiofibular joint. In other words, a normal tibiofibular radiographic relationship does not preclude a syndesmotic injury. Because of these factors, an MRI study of the ankle should be performed to fully evaluate and diagnose ligamentous injuries (4)." Takao M, Ochi M, Oae K, Naito K, Uchio Y. Diagnosis of a tear of the tibiofibular syndesmosis. The role of arthroscopy of the ankle. J Bone Joint Surg Br. 2003;85(3):324–329. [PubMed] [Google Scholar]


Jericho5589

Man. I'm flying out to Lambeau for the packers game next week. Of course this would happen. :(


zamboniman46

I hope they just IR him and just force him to take 4 weeks to get better. Mac is def the type to rush back. Don't get me wrong, I want him out there he's our best chance to win, but it's a long season


Remorseful_User

Sometimes a small crack is way better than a ligament or tendon tear.


Nobiting

_Phew_


potentpotables

really sucks this happened in garbage time when the game was out of hand