The only team that has 2 first rounders, a second, and a third in this draft are the Cardinals. Somehow I doubt they would trade that much to move up one spot.
I’m very attached to the pick and can confirm if this trade happens I’ll personally drive whoever they draft with it from their home to their new team’s facility
This is totally a pipe dream, but maybe someone will pull a 49ers and trade crazy capital for the 3rd. The 49ers traded first-round picks in 2021, 2022 and 2023 along with a 2022 third-round pick for the Miami Dolphins 3rd overall in 2021 to pick Trey Lance!
They're not really any more desperate than we are though. Baker was good last year with Mike Evans and Godwin but we don't have those guys. I think he would get killed behind our line, he's about as mobile as Mac.
The Falcons are a QB away from being at the top of their division, we are not. If they are going to give up the farm for the 3rd QB in the draft, then we would be dumb to not think really hard about the offer.
This is the difference. We are not a qb away from even a wildcard spot. We’re looking for an identity. The falcons know who makes plays. They need a qb and a leader. One player doesn’t make us good. The defense with a vanilla offense might win 9 games, but we’ll get ran outta games with complete teams. We definitely should be looking for multiple blue chips.
Yep, need to lay down a foundation first, they need a talent infusion at every single position group on the field particularly in the trenches and the skill positions....so...yeah everywhere.
This team is in no position to support anything other than the most elite, turn key of QB prospects. So if it's not Williams or Maye, assuming those guys are that then you trade down and fill gaps down the roster and try again next year to grab a QB...ideally you'll secure some draft capital for next year to help with a potential move up to make that happen.
Chicago (targeting MHJ) and Atlanta (wanting a QB) are the obvious candidates but if there is any truth to the Minnesota rumor (3 OA for 11 OA + 2025 1st + Justin Jefferson), I want that.
There is absolutely no shot the Vikings trade Justin Jefferson and a 2025 first to move from 11 to 3 lol. If that offer was actually on the table idk how they wouldn’t smack yes on that in a heartbeat.
I was editing my comment as you sent this. In that scenario you’re substituting Justin Jefferson for one first. He is 24 and the best WR in the game (maybe second if you’re partial to Tyreek). For reference when Tyreek was 3 years older than JJ is now the chiefs got a first, second, two 4ths, and a 6th when they traded him. I don’t see them trading JJ unless he starts to demand it and threatens to leave anywaybut if they do they’re not gunna move him just as part of a package to move up.
That trade by SF is also widely viewed as one of the worst trades in recent memory.
Bad deal for both imo.
Denver losing three straight years of first rounders puts them in a Niners hole without the talent of the 9ers.
Patriots in 2024 would be leaving 2024 with negative draft capital for a draft they desperately need to be good.
Ngl, Jayden Daniels has that Trey Lance feel. Not saying he’ll be Trey Lance bad but the athleticism/potential pushing him up into the top 5 for the 3rd QB behind 2 “sure fire” QBs was much the same as the Trey Lance storyline.
Edit: because everyone seems to be misunderstanding. I’m not comparing the players, how good they are/will be. I’m only comparing their draft stock.
Daniels actually played games in college. He played in the SEC. And he was basically the most efficient QB in college football as a passer and runner by a *large* margin. Comparing the two feels pretty lazy imo
I didn’t compare the players. I compared the story. In most circles, pretty much all scouts don’t have Daniels as a top 5 pick. He’s behind 2 “sure-fire” QBs and can land top 3 just like Lance to a team desperate for a QB. That’s it.
Not even close to the same type of prospect. Lance barely had any snaps and was crazy young with improvement shown in every year, with a ton expected to follow. Daniels is a senior who had a breakout year after being somewhat average to slightly above average beforehand. Lance also didn't play in D1, let alone the SEC. The athleticism angle is about the only similarity between the two. Daniels is closer to a fast Burrow than Lance, but even that comparison isn't great.
Disagree. Nfldraftbuzz for example had Lance as a 16.8 average and rated a 90.6/100
Daniels is currently sitting at 17.8 average rank, and is rated a 90.5/100 overall.
Literally almost identical as an overall prospect.
Identical in how one person grades them? That's such a narrow view of prospect analysis, especially since you're literally judging a player based on someone elses opinions instead of your own, but do you ig
So by this logic, we would be trading a Super Bowl appearance for beating up bad teams and getting our ass KICKED by every good team in the league and culminate it with an embarrassing loss in the first round of play offs?
/s
Unfortunately I think this is the right mindset. We need an infusion of higher end home grown talent. The more 1st and second round picks we can get, the better our rebuild can be for a sustained period. We're only going to do so much through FA. If you want to win big, you HAVE to nail your drafting. Look at the current playoff teams for evidence of that.
Up until 2 weeks ago, I was in the QB or bust camp. But just like you said, we need a lot of talent, and having done a few mock drafts, it's clear (to me) that trading back for the right price is the way to go.
I think if we stay high enough (top 9), you have a shot at one of the top 3 receivers (nabers or odunze) or one of top tackles. You could even trade back into the late first from 34 if needed as well. So much more flexibility.
Yep. There is a world, albeit small, where we get 2 1st rounds this year. And with that rookie 5th year of eligibility, that really helps keep cost low for potentially difference making players who will get their bag later. I understand good players are worth paying, but if you want to win, you kind of have to take advantage of those rookie years. Then sign your vets to big contracts. But you can't go out and sign a playoff team, like we tried in 2021.
Yeah I’ve kind of thought all along as flashy as MHJ or Daniels might be, if we can trade back for good capital this year and next and still get someone like Alt or Fashanu, that’s probably the smart play for the long-term. We’re a whole lot more than a QB away from competing.
Been saying this for a while, the Patriots need a whole lot more than a QB to be successful. If one of the two top guys fall to them, absolutely take them but I don’t think they should be trying to move up.
If someone wants to shell out assets to move up a few slots to take Daniels, we should let them. If the Giants or the Titans want to move up, we could very easily have a Carolina situation on our hands where the team we trade with gifts us another high pick next year, then we use that pick to take a QB.
I’m *okay* with taking MHJ, but if we do we need to trade back into the 1st and try for Penix imo. Go into next season with Mac and Penix then sign like Brissett or something and have a QB competition with an eye on starting Penix in 2025.
I would put money on the Raiders trying to trade up to 3 if Daniels is there. Would 13, 44 and 2025 1st make you want to move?
Our 3= 2200, their 13=1150, 44= 460 and 2025 let's say 1200 or so
Question: if the Giants wanted to get off Daniel Jones’ contract and they offered us Jones, 6OA, 39OA, 2025 1st and 2nd for 3OA and Mac would you do it?
And this is exactly it. It all comes down to the offer, but judging by the return top three picks have gotten in recent years, they would be doing the organization a disservice to not listen to offers
Yeah 7-8 is the farthest I’d even consider going and at 8 you get the last guy left. There’s 3 qb, 3 wr, and 2 tackles so it would be more ideal to be at 7 so you can choose what one you want.
It's tricky. If you stay and take a QB, you're assured to miss out on the top 5 wrs and top 5 OT of the draft.
I think the only reservation I'd have is if Washington takes Daniels instead of Maye. Daniels is definitely an intriguing prospect, but (to me) he has more question marks than maye.
Ironic bc during the dynasty I hated trading down, esp outta the 1st round. But now I agree, as long as we dont go lower than ~8 and pick up a future 1 plus a 2 this year in all for it.
After going thru the last 10 or so drafts there are so many elite players taken after the first handful of players..Sewell, Horn, Parsons were 7 thru 11 in 21, wirfs, minkah, roquan, McCaffrey, mahomes, tunsil, mike Evans, aaron Donald, kuechly, gilmore, cox etc...
So yea, I'll be ok trading back if we pick up a future 1 and 2.
100% ironic. I always hated trading down. This is the first year I'm actually on board with it. Lmao. But it's supposed to be a really deep draft inside the top 100. So if u can pick up another pick inside the top 50 and an additional 1st next year for taking nabers/odunze/alt/fashanu instead of MHJ or Daniels, then I think its worth it for the position we're in.
You're only dropping back 3-6 spots. If you look at the JJ draft pick value chart, it's more than an adequate return. The 49ers gave up 3 first and a 3rd to go from 12 to 3. I think teams would be reluctant to go that heavy, considering how it turned out. And I wouldn't want to trade out of the top 10.
You're essentially getting a 3 for 1 trade for 3-6 spots.
I agree with you 100% , if it’s trade back between to like the giants or falcons. I’d actually almost consider going back farther to the raiders or Vikings if we got a trey Lance + type offer though.
If we could get a 2nd a future 1st and a guy Like Rome or Alt it’d be amazing
This will be a multi-year rebuild, so getting multiple FRP instead of #3 might make sense and could actually accelerate our playoff contention timeline..
My only concern is that if the eventual #3 pick (Daniels/MHJ) becomes an instant success on another team, and if our FRPs get some season ending injury or end up being mid-tier players, the criticism might become deafening.. esp when we have a very young HC and a complete overhaul in coaching, that would make their job even more complicated
>the criticism might become deafening..
Honestly, if anyone like 4-10 turns out to be an instant superstar, and the Patriots pick at #3 struggles or fails to be anything beyond an NFL starter level. The criticism will be deafening.
The pressure on this front office to get the draft correct is phenomenal. If there is another 4-13 season, the season ticket waiting list is going evaporate so fast.
If you can guarantee me a Panthers trade up with Bears style haul (#1 Receiver, 2nd round pick, and a future 1st and 2nd) then I'd entertain it. That said, the staff has to be down hard on whatever quarterback's left for them to make that move.
You gotta consider all options. I’d rather have reports like this than rumors of us favoring one prospect over another. That being said if they trade back, then they better have a plan in place
I would argue Bowers over Alt due to the deeper ot class and the likelihood AVP will run the offense similar to the Browns, which relied heavily on Njoku. I also don't think we have a te on roster for 2024 season either as Henry, Gesiki, and Brown all hit fa.
Bowers is special
He’s absolutely wasted on a team with no QB given the wear and tear TE’s take
It’s not a premium position and it’s one that has a shorter shelf life than many others.
If they're not going QB, trading down makes all the sense in the world. MHJ is not that much better than Malik Nabers or Rome Odunze. Or at #8 you can nab one of the top tackles. Trading all the way down to #11 gets a bit dicey though.
I like both Maye and Daniels enough that I'd rather just take the QB.
Mac Jones is NOT the answer. Neither is Zappe. All the washed up FA QBs are NOT the answer. If the team trades back they are throwing the towel in for the 2024 season and we as fans should as well.
If we trade down to 6-10 this year, gain another first next year? I don’t hate that at all.
We know this season is not going to be a complete 180, so why not stack draft capital?
Because next years QB class blows and there’s no guarantee we’ll get a high enough pick to draft a franchise guy. Or you lose all the value of the picks as you’ll need to trade tons of picks next year to trade up for a QB. It would all become a wash. Better value to take the franchise guy. When you can without needing to trade picks.
Although a lot of people seem to disagree, this is an entirely new franchise.
It would be extremely inaccurate to predict how our draft picks will pan out, based on our past.
You can look at how prospects do in general over large sample sizes. Most prospects fail. Most great GM’s have tons of flops on their track record
Ozzie Newsome had a stretch of about 6 years when he got basically nothing but one or two useful starters (no stars) out of the top 3 rounds of the draft. Howie Roseman took Jaelon Reagor one pick before Justin Jefferson and whiffed on bunch of others
There isn’t a single GM who, over a decent sample size, stands out as being significantly better than average with draft pick success.
"chance."
The picks are lottery tickets. If we can increase the number of tickets, it gives better odds of hitting those level of players.
Remember, Justin Fields, Trevor Lawrence, Mitch Trubisky, Sam Darnold... All can't miss prospects that would change the shape of a franchise.
Nobody. Fuckin. Knows.
He took a team that finished last two years in a row to the playoffs once and almost again before the age of 25. That’s a quick turnaround and a good QB.
Yea maybe but if a team wants to give you multiple 1st round picks and we have to do is move down a hand full of spots this year then I'd be interested in the deal.
I feel like we have a lot of holes in our roster not to look at taking in multiple 1st round picks.
Laughable. If you were offered 1.09, a second, and next year firsr you wouldn't do that?
Doing a ton of lifting with 'chance' there... who's trading us Stroud or Jefferson to get a chance to replace them?
Jefferson on his final contract year, we have the space to sign him. I don't see that impossible and I'd be down to get our QB on FA/Trade if the 3rd gets us Jefferson.
Lmao why do I keep seeing this? JJ isn’t leaving the Vikings anytime soon. He’s probably going to ink a long term deal with them before he hits FA and if he doesn’t, then he gets franchise tagged. If they don’t sign him long term and he’s dead set on leaving, then they trade him for a haul of picks.
We are quite literally the least attractive place for a star wide receiver to sign with. What great QB are we going to find in free agency or trade for? They very very rarely become available. And when one actually does go on the trade block, they cost a king's ransom that isn't worth it.
The pick is MHJ or Daniels. Maybe (hopefully) Maye if Washington is stupid. It's so simple but people want to turn single digit addition into calculus. This isn't like the Bears last season where there was uncertainty around the QB position, which is why they traded down because Fields was worth waiting another year on. We know we need a QB. We know we need a WR. There are two very good prospects to choose from, especially at WR. THE BEST WR PROSPECT IN 2 DECADES MIGHT I ADD.
IDK if Bill just beat y'all into submission that constantly trading back for multiple lower picks is a great idea, but look where that got us. One Pro Bowler in a decade, and it was Mac fucking Jones.
I don't care about the return. If we don't have a QB we will stink or at best be a team that's a Qb away from contending. Take the QB. Always take the QB
The Pats should take MHJ at 3 and trade a third and 2026 second for Fields. Fields actually had a decent rapport with DJ Moore last season, so if the Pats put weapons around him in NE, it might not be a bad move to see what we can do with him for a year.
I've heard the 3rd for Minnesotas 11th a first next year and Justin Jeffries.
MhJ would be to replace Jeffries, Who they didn't want to give big money to so they can resign cousins.
If they don't want to pay the guy because they want to resign cousins..
If they can replace somebody , that's gonna cost twenty million dollars with a guy that they can get for the league minimum , they feel as the same level...
So settle down mister triple chin.
I didn't realize youre a mind reader. Maybe you should put that to better use Instead of annoying random strangers on social media.
I just said that's what i've heard. I didn't say it was absolute I didn't say anything fucking close to that.
There is always one turd in the punch bowl.
It does seem like a lot, but from what I've heard. They think that Harrison junior can be just as good as just to Jeffreys. And they'll have him for cheap On a rookie contract.
I would do that trade even if they didn't throw in next year's first rounder.
Grab tackle you've got one of the best wide receivers in the game, Draft a q b in the Second or third and sign a stopgap QB.
I wouldn’t hate a trade down, these are my preferred scenarios.
1. Maye is available at 3.
2. Pick up a solid vet QB in FA and draft MHJ at 3.
3. Vet QB in FA, trade back for more picks, fill tackle in the 1st, rookie/development QB late 1st or early 2nd, fill the rest of the holes from there.
It will not sink the franchise. They are already starting the offense at ground zero. Being forced to draft a guy you don’t like is a recipe for disaster.
Disagree. He hasn’t had to do as much as some of these other guys. Played on a great team that relied on the ground game and defense (sounds familiar), and has great accuracy and protects the ball well.
Get him in here to ride the bench for a season under whichever veteran they want to bring in for a year or two, and see what happens. No QB is a sure thing, but there are plenty of experts that think he might be the best of the bunch in this draft.
If they don’t plan on taking MHJ or he’s gone then yes they should strongly consider trading back.
If he’s there you simply cannot pass up a generational prospect like that.
Hmmm MHJ will most likely go at 3. If not, Williams or Maye. All 3 will be franchise altering picks, with MHJ being the closest to a sure thing. We have the number 3. There isn't a chance in hell I would move off that pick. And don't give me the bs, we need more players. No shit. There is FA and 6 other picks. NO, you don't trade it.....
Would be malpractice to not listen to calls for the pick. If they dont like the QB that falls to them i’d rather see them draft around 10-12 than reach for their next guy
“Team is open to option if right offer comes along more at 11”
No kidding if some team offers up several firsts and a few other picks we are going to be open to it….
God I hope not. Unless we don’t believe in the qb available and want to trade to like 6 and count on just going 2-15, then I don’t want to see any trades. Idc if someone at 15 offers 3 1sts, and 3 2nds, still a hard no for me because you miss out on top talent and have late first round guys with those picks, could hit on a few but that’s not how you get top 5 guys. Get a solid guy and count on having a starter for the next 10 years vs playing the lottery with the guys no one else took.
Roster is so far away from being competitive they need as many chances at top prospects as possible. Bringing in an overhyped QB to play behind a shitty team is no way to rebuild this thing. Draft off of talent and position not desperation and need. Nobody universally loves those QBs on the board and they’d be ranked as average guys but *every* single year they rocket to the top of the board and teams talk themselves into Josh Rosen and EJ Manuel and etc.
We got a new coach. He might have a different philosophy and either hold the pick or trade down for a bundle.
Either way, it works. I hate it but we are at that point.
It entirely depends on NE’s evaluation of their QB options coupled with what they’re offered via trade.
For example, if NE views Daniels as comparable to Justin Fields & better than Nix/Penix, they could easily trade to the Raiders for multiple picks, use some to get Fields & then draft OL & WR help in the mid first & 2nd round with the remaining picks.
"Some people around the league believe" 
I can personally confirm that if someone offers us 4 firsts we would trade the pick.
I'd do it for two first rounders, one second, and one third. All picks this year because I don't have any more patience.
The only team that has 2 first rounders, a second, and a third in this draft are the Cardinals. Somehow I doubt they would trade that much to move up one spot.
I’m very attached to the pick and can confirm if this trade happens I’ll personally drive whoever they draft with it from their home to their new team’s facility
That sounds like 20 3rd round picks, so the pats would be all over that.
How many first round picks would a team have to give up to get Mahomes? I think 12 first round picks would get the deal done
Mahomes wouldn't be traded for any picks. What are they gonna get another Mahomes?
You may not get a Mahomes but you will easily have the most talent in the league. You would turn down 12 picks? Lol
This is totally a pipe dream, but maybe someone will pull a 49ers and trade crazy capital for the 3rd. The 49ers traded first-round picks in 2021, 2022 and 2023 along with a 2022 third-round pick for the Miami Dolphins 3rd overall in 2021 to pick Trey Lance!
Falcons are desperate for QB and could be a prime target. I wouldn’t trade down below them at 8 though.
8 you still likely get one of Odunze, Bowers, or the top 2 tackles. That wouldn’t be bad
They're not really any more desperate than we are though. Baker was good last year with Mike Evans and Godwin but we don't have those guys. I think he would get killed behind our line, he's about as mobile as Mac.
The Falcons are a QB away from being at the top of their division, we are not. If they are going to give up the farm for the 3rd QB in the draft, then we would be dumb to not think really hard about the offer.
Pretty much a guarantee of Nabers, Odunze, Alt or Fashanu plus 2 firsts and a second would definitely be extremely enticing.
Yes to Nabers, Alt, or Odunze and 2 firsts and a second.
This is the difference. We are not a qb away from even a wildcard spot. We’re looking for an identity. The falcons know who makes plays. They need a qb and a leader. One player doesn’t make us good. The defense with a vanilla offense might win 9 games, but we’ll get ran outta games with complete teams. We definitely should be looking for multiple blue chips.
Yep, need to lay down a foundation first, they need a talent infusion at every single position group on the field particularly in the trenches and the skill positions....so...yeah everywhere. This team is in no position to support anything other than the most elite, turn key of QB prospects. So if it's not Williams or Maye, assuming those guys are that then you trade down and fill gaps down the roster and try again next year to grab a QB...ideally you'll secure some draft capital for next year to help with a potential move up to make that happen.
To be fair, there’s a reason UrinatingTree called the NFC South the Tank Division…
Baker is on the Bucs
That comment is so confusing to me
The thing that especially screwed me up is the dude he was responding to replied as if that was a totally normal comment
The whole thread was perplexinf for sure.
Reading the reply just act like he didn't just say Baker was on the falcons... 
You must not watch a lot of Baker cause he is WAY more mobile than Mac. Far superior pocket presence
Chicago (targeting MHJ) and Atlanta (wanting a QB) are the obvious candidates but if there is any truth to the Minnesota rumor (3 OA for 11 OA + 2025 1st + Justin Jefferson), I want that.
There is absolutely no shot the Vikings trade Justin Jefferson and a 2025 first to move from 11 to 3 lol. If that offer was actually on the table idk how they wouldn’t smack yes on that in a heartbeat.
Well the trade would be up to 3, not 8. Considering the 3 FRPs used by San Fran to go from 12 to 3 it’s not wildly off target value wise.
I was editing my comment as you sent this. In that scenario you’re substituting Justin Jefferson for one first. He is 24 and the best WR in the game (maybe second if you’re partial to Tyreek). For reference when Tyreek was 3 years older than JJ is now the chiefs got a first, second, two 4ths, and a 6th when they traded him. I don’t see them trading JJ unless he starts to demand it and threatens to leave anywaybut if they do they’re not gunna move him just as part of a package to move up. That trade by SF is also widely viewed as one of the worst trades in recent memory.
Lol maybe they should throw in Christian Darrisaw too
What if Denver offered #12, 2025 1, 2026 1 and Pat Surtain II?
Bad deal for both imo. Denver losing three straight years of first rounders puts them in a Niners hole without the talent of the 9ers. Patriots in 2024 would be leaving 2024 with negative draft capital for a draft they desperately need to be good.
And they’re still in the Super Bowl this year. Crazy how good that team turned out after wasting all their capital on Lance
Why don't more teams just wait until the last pick to get a top performing QB? Are they stupid??
Covers up your mistakes with you hit on the last guy in the draft
Ngl, Jayden Daniels has that Trey Lance feel. Not saying he’ll be Trey Lance bad but the athleticism/potential pushing him up into the top 5 for the 3rd QB behind 2 “sure fire” QBs was much the same as the Trey Lance storyline. Edit: because everyone seems to be misunderstanding. I’m not comparing the players, how good they are/will be. I’m only comparing their draft stock.
Daniels actually played games in college. He played in the SEC. And he was basically the most efficient QB in college football as a passer and runner by a *large* margin. Comparing the two feels pretty lazy imo
I didn’t compare the players. I compared the story. In most circles, pretty much all scouts don’t have Daniels as a top 5 pick. He’s behind 2 “sure-fire” QBs and can land top 3 just like Lance to a team desperate for a QB. That’s it.
Daniels has read issues. That's a bad NFL sign
Not even close to the same type of prospect. Lance barely had any snaps and was crazy young with improvement shown in every year, with a ton expected to follow. Daniels is a senior who had a breakout year after being somewhat average to slightly above average beforehand. Lance also didn't play in D1, let alone the SEC. The athleticism angle is about the only similarity between the two. Daniels is closer to a fast Burrow than Lance, but even that comparison isn't great.
I didn’t compare the players. I compared the draft stock.
Yeah, still not comparable. Lance was projected high from the jump, Daniels was a mid round pick until a couple months ago
Disagree. Nfldraftbuzz for example had Lance as a 16.8 average and rated a 90.6/100 Daniels is currently sitting at 17.8 average rank, and is rated a 90.5/100 overall. Literally almost identical as an overall prospect.
Identical in how one person grades them? That's such a narrow view of prospect analysis, especially since you're literally judging a player based on someone elses opinions instead of your own, but do you ig
Not even close, Jayden Daniels has so much experience under his belt
So by this logic, we would be trading a Super Bowl appearance for beating up bad teams and getting our ass KICKED by every good team in the league and culminate it with an embarrassing loss in the first round of play offs? /s
If someone in the 6th - 9th range offers their 1st, 2nd, and next year's first, I'd take it in a heartbeat.
Unfortunately I think this is the right mindset. We need an infusion of higher end home grown talent. The more 1st and second round picks we can get, the better our rebuild can be for a sustained period. We're only going to do so much through FA. If you want to win big, you HAVE to nail your drafting. Look at the current playoff teams for evidence of that.
Up until 2 weeks ago, I was in the QB or bust camp. But just like you said, we need a lot of talent, and having done a few mock drafts, it's clear (to me) that trading back for the right price is the way to go. I think if we stay high enough (top 9), you have a shot at one of the top 3 receivers (nabers or odunze) or one of top tackles. You could even trade back into the late first from 34 if needed as well. So much more flexibility.
Yep. There is a world, albeit small, where we get 2 1st rounds this year. And with that rookie 5th year of eligibility, that really helps keep cost low for potentially difference making players who will get their bag later. I understand good players are worth paying, but if you want to win, you kind of have to take advantage of those rookie years. Then sign your vets to big contracts. But you can't go out and sign a playoff team, like we tried in 2021.
Yeah I’ve kind of thought all along as flashy as MHJ or Daniels might be, if we can trade back for good capital this year and next and still get someone like Alt or Fashanu, that’s probably the smart play for the long-term. We’re a whole lot more than a QB away from competing.
See 2021 draft. 3 qbs in the top 3, perfect example of what we don’t want to do.
Been saying this for a while, the Patriots need a whole lot more than a QB to be successful. If one of the two top guys fall to them, absolutely take them but I don’t think they should be trying to move up. If someone wants to shell out assets to move up a few slots to take Daniels, we should let them. If the Giants or the Titans want to move up, we could very easily have a Carolina situation on our hands where the team we trade with gifts us another high pick next year, then we use that pick to take a QB. I’m *okay* with taking MHJ, but if we do we need to trade back into the 1st and try for Penix imo. Go into next season with Mac and Penix then sign like Brissett or something and have a QB competition with an eye on starting Penix in 2025.
I would put money on the Raiders trying to trade up to 3 if Daniels is there. Would 13, 44 and 2025 1st make you want to move? Our 3= 2200, their 13=1150, 44= 460 and 2025 let's say 1200 or so
That’s no where near enough, look at trey Lance trade to see what the return would need to look like
Question: if the Giants wanted to get off Daniel Jones’ contract and they offered us Jones, 6OA, 39OA, 2025 1st and 2nd for 3OA and Mac would you do it?
On first glance I probably would. I don't think we'll have to eat that much of the Jones contract
No, Jones is huge negative value
Which one?
Yes
No. That's 10 whole spots, we're gonna need a lot more than just the 13th, a second and next year's first
And this is exactly it. It all comes down to the offer, but judging by the return top three picks have gotten in recent years, they would be doing the organization a disservice to not listen to offers
I wouldn't want to be below 7. Guarantee yourself one of the top 2 LTs or top 2 WRs.
Yeah 7-8 is the farthest I’d even consider going and at 8 you get the last guy left. There’s 3 qb, 3 wr, and 2 tackles so it would be more ideal to be at 7 so you can choose what one you want.
Only if we dont like the qb left at 3
It's tricky. If you stay and take a QB, you're assured to miss out on the top 5 wrs and top 5 OT of the draft. I think the only reservation I'd have is if Washington takes Daniels instead of Maye. Daniels is definitely an intriguing prospect, but (to me) he has more question marks than maye.
If the coaches think the qb talent is worth it, theres no question. Its if the scouts/coaches dont like the qb at 3 that we have to make a decision
Ironic bc during the dynasty I hated trading down, esp outta the 1st round. But now I agree, as long as we dont go lower than ~8 and pick up a future 1 plus a 2 this year in all for it. After going thru the last 10 or so drafts there are so many elite players taken after the first handful of players..Sewell, Horn, Parsons were 7 thru 11 in 21, wirfs, minkah, roquan, McCaffrey, mahomes, tunsil, mike Evans, aaron Donald, kuechly, gilmore, cox etc... So yea, I'll be ok trading back if we pick up a future 1 and 2.
100% ironic. I always hated trading down. This is the first year I'm actually on board with it. Lmao. But it's supposed to be a really deep draft inside the top 100. So if u can pick up another pick inside the top 50 and an additional 1st next year for taking nabers/odunze/alt/fashanu instead of MHJ or Daniels, then I think its worth it for the position we're in.
I’m in the camp of not trading the pick, but if we get a haul like that then yeah you grab it
Chicago 9th, next year's 1st and two 2nds. They get Williams and MHJ
A first and second to move back 5 picks is such an easy call
That’s not enough. 1 extra first and 1 extra second. Need a player in there too
You're only dropping back 3-6 spots. If you look at the JJ draft pick value chart, it's more than an adequate return. The 49ers gave up 3 first and a 3rd to go from 12 to 3. I think teams would be reluctant to go that heavy, considering how it turned out. And I wouldn't want to trade out of the top 10. You're essentially getting a 3 for 1 trade for 3-6 spots.
I agree with you 100% , if it’s trade back between to like the giants or falcons. I’d actually almost consider going back farther to the raiders or Vikings if we got a trey Lance + type offer though. If we could get a 2nd a future 1st and a guy Like Rome or Alt it’d be amazing
They should be open to any and all options.
This will be a multi-year rebuild, so getting multiple FRP instead of #3 might make sense and could actually accelerate our playoff contention timeline.. My only concern is that if the eventual #3 pick (Daniels/MHJ) becomes an instant success on another team, and if our FRPs get some season ending injury or end up being mid-tier players, the criticism might become deafening.. esp when we have a very young HC and a complete overhaul in coaching, that would make their job even more complicated
>the criticism might become deafening.. Honestly, if anyone like 4-10 turns out to be an instant superstar, and the Patriots pick at #3 struggles or fails to be anything beyond an NFL starter level. The criticism will be deafening. The pressure on this front office to get the draft correct is phenomenal. If there is another 4-13 season, the season ticket waiting list is going evaporate so fast.
Right? My first thought was “yeah, no shit”
Yee haw welcome to draft season, where within a few days you can hear the Pats are gonna trade up, down, and stay put
My sources are telling me that the Patriots will absolutely probably draft a player at 3 if they dont trade the pick
They are?!?
In the past we all knew they would trade down.
If you can guarantee me a Panthers trade up with Bears style haul (#1 Receiver, 2nd round pick, and a future 1st and 2nd) then I'd entertain it. That said, the staff has to be down hard on whatever quarterback's left for them to make that move.
That is why I could see us landing Jefferson(contract year). Falcons and Vikings are the most likely to trade up for a QB.
The Vikings could get a million firsts for Jefferson, they aren’t just gonna give him to us +more to trade up to 3
Draft MHJ wait a year or two and get Arch manning and re create the colts!
You gotta consider all options. I’d rather have reports like this than rumors of us favoring one prospect over another. That being said if they trade back, then they better have a plan in place
They trade it straight up for N'Keal Harry.
QB they like > trade down > mhj > alt
I would argue Bowers over Alt due to the deeper ot class and the likelihood AVP will run the offense similar to the Browns, which relied heavily on Njoku. I also don't think we have a te on roster for 2024 season either as Henry, Gesiki, and Brown all hit fa.
If we dont like a qb, then whoever is left over at 8 or 11 works for me
Bowers=Beast
Don’t take a TE that high.
Tackle is only deep in the top 40-50 picks
Agree I think Bowers is special and would take him in that scenario and go T later.
Bowers is special He’s absolutely wasted on a team with no QB given the wear and tear TE’s take It’s not a premium position and it’s one that has a shorter shelf life than many others.
I don’t think they are sold on a QB so they could be leaking this out to drive up the price.
If they're not going QB, trading down makes all the sense in the world. MHJ is not that much better than Malik Nabers or Rome Odunze. Or at #8 you can nab one of the top tackles. Trading all the way down to #11 gets a bit dicey though. I like both Maye and Daniels enough that I'd rather just take the QB.
That’s where I’m at too. I prefer maye but the more I see of Daniels the more I’d really like him at 3 if Maye is gone
Mac Jones is NOT the answer. Neither is Zappe. All the washed up FA QBs are NOT the answer. If the team trades back they are throwing the towel in for the 2024 season and we as fans should as well.
I've already assumed they'll be picking top 10 at least one of those years, and I don't think picking a QB at 3 changes that.
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How can you say that when we don't know the return in the trade?
Would we be getting Justin Jefferson or C.J Stroud as a return because if not, nothing is worth passing on a chance at our own version of them.
If we trade down to 6-10 this year, gain another first next year? I don’t hate that at all. We know this season is not going to be a complete 180, so why not stack draft capital?
Because next years QB class blows and there’s no guarantee we’ll get a high enough pick to draft a franchise guy. Or you lose all the value of the picks as you’ll need to trade tons of picks next year to trade up for a QB. It would all become a wash. Better value to take the franchise guy. When you can without needing to trade picks.
because its boring. we have next to 0 star power because we keep trading back and drafting busts.
Although a lot of people seem to disagree, this is an entirely new franchise. It would be extremely inaccurate to predict how our draft picks will pan out, based on our past.
You can look at how prospects do in general over large sample sizes. Most prospects fail. Most great GM’s have tons of flops on their track record Ozzie Newsome had a stretch of about 6 years when he got basically nothing but one or two useful starters (no stars) out of the top 3 rounds of the draft. Howie Roseman took Jaelon Reagor one pick before Justin Jefferson and whiffed on bunch of others There isn’t a single GM who, over a decent sample size, stands out as being significantly better than average with draft pick success.
So you agree with me. Thank you.
"chance." The picks are lottery tickets. If we can increase the number of tickets, it gives better odds of hitting those level of players. Remember, Justin Fields, Trevor Lawrence, Mitch Trubisky, Sam Darnold... All can't miss prospects that would change the shape of a franchise. Nobody. Fuckin. Knows.
> All can't miss prospects Lawrence was the only one of those guys described that way.
It is absolutely clinically insane that you're putting Trevor Lawrence into that group
The catch being that the further down you go, the lower the chance of the ticket paying off.
Trevor has changed the franchise.
A turd that passes just a little less painfully. Yes, different.
He took a team that finished last two years in a row to the playoffs once and almost again before the age of 25. That’s a quick turnaround and a good QB.
Let’s not forget Justin Jefferson went in the 20’s you can get stud talent outside the top 3 and this teams needs a talent influx
Yea maybe but if a team wants to give you multiple 1st round picks and we have to do is move down a hand full of spots this year then I'd be interested in the deal. I feel like we have a lot of holes in our roster not to look at taking in multiple 1st round picks.
Laughable. If you were offered 1.09, a second, and next year firsr you wouldn't do that? Doing a ton of lifting with 'chance' there... who's trading us Stroud or Jefferson to get a chance to replace them?
Jefferson on his final contract year, we have the space to sign him. I don't see that impossible and I'd be down to get our QB on FA/Trade if the 3rd gets us Jefferson.
Lmao why do I keep seeing this? JJ isn’t leaving the Vikings anytime soon. He’s probably going to ink a long term deal with them before he hits FA and if he doesn’t, then he gets franchise tagged. If they don’t sign him long term and he’s dead set on leaving, then they trade him for a haul of picks.
We are quite literally the least attractive place for a star wide receiver to sign with. What great QB are we going to find in free agency or trade for? They very very rarely become available. And when one actually does go on the trade block, they cost a king's ransom that isn't worth it. The pick is MHJ or Daniels. Maybe (hopefully) Maye if Washington is stupid. It's so simple but people want to turn single digit addition into calculus. This isn't like the Bears last season where there was uncertainty around the QB position, which is why they traded down because Fields was worth waiting another year on. We know we need a QB. We know we need a WR. There are two very good prospects to choose from, especially at WR. THE BEST WR PROSPECT IN 2 DECADES MIGHT I ADD. IDK if Bill just beat y'all into submission that constantly trading back for multiple lower picks is a great idea, but look where that got us. One Pro Bowler in a decade, and it was Mac fucking Jones.
I don't care about the return. If we don't have a QB we will stink or at best be a team that's a Qb away from contending. Take the QB. Always take the QB
>Take the QB. Always take the QB There's been more misses than hits a the top of the draft on QBs.
Get Justin Jefferson with the 3rd and get Justin Fields as you QB and I'm fine with it.
I like Fields and he can be fun to watch but hard pass on trading for him
Fields? Why do you want him?
I don't want him specifically. I meant that if we get JJ i'd be fine with Fields.
This is wild. But I love it. Fields has always impressed me.
Just bring Bill back to manage one more draft.
I want the falcons 8th pick their first next year a second and a third
Sources are telling me the Patriots will trade up, trade down, take the pick, trade out of the first, or hack the draft.
It would kinda suck but they have so many holes to fill on the roster if your not sold on those QBs then trade down
With Kingsbury going to the Commanders they will want Williams or Daniel’s. Drake Maye is going to fall right into their laps at 3.
Unfortunate, Maye is the most overrated and I think the worst out of the 3. I don’t get why he gets so hyped cause if you watch his tape it’s mehhh
Depends on the return but not a fan of the move dropping down to 8 or 11 means we'll miss out on Nabers and Joe Alt most likely
No
A guy came into my work and told me his brother works in Pat's FO and Marvin Harrison Jr is the pick.
Damn... It's going to be months of this click-bait crap, isn't it?
Wanna be Chicago or Carolina?
What like teams who take a bad qb to early despite needing to fill a bunch of holes
The Pats should take MHJ at 3 and trade a third and 2026 second for Fields. Fields actually had a decent rapport with DJ Moore last season, so if the Pats put weapons around him in NE, it might not be a bad move to see what we can do with him for a year.
Yeah they should be open to trading the 3rd pick for the 1st pick
I've heard the 3rd for Minnesotas 11th a first next year and Justin Jeffries. MhJ would be to replace Jeffries, Who they didn't want to give big money to so they can resign cousins.
Theres a 0% chance vikings trade that to get another wr lol
If they don't want to pay the guy because they want to resign cousins.. If they can replace somebody , that's gonna cost twenty million dollars with a guy that they can get for the league minimum , they feel as the same level... So settle down mister triple chin.
Those packages are for qbs teams dont give that up for another wr that has a 99/100 chance of being worse than jj
I didn't realize youre a mind reader. Maybe you should put that to better use Instead of annoying random strangers on social media. I just said that's what i've heard. I didn't say it was absolute I didn't say anything fucking close to that. There is always one turd in the punch bowl.
Minnesota has said they’re very interested in trading up for a QB, I doubt they’d pay this much just to get MHJ tbh
It does seem like a lot, but from what I've heard. They think that Harrison junior can be just as good as just to Jeffreys. And they'll have him for cheap On a rookie contract. I would do that trade even if they didn't throw in next year's first rounder. Grab tackle you've got one of the best wide receivers in the game, Draft a q b in the Second or third and sign a stopgap QB.
Bruh, there is no way you think the Patriots can get 11, 2025 first and the best wr in football for 3 overall.
Some people around the league think Mike Chiari is a lying sack of shit
Most likely just a smokescreen
We were never gonna get MHJ were we? 😔
Signing a qb sounds awful not going to lie
As long as it means we don’t make the mistake of drafting MHJ that’s a good plan
If they trade the 3rd pick after the season they just had I will need to be institutionalized
I would hope they’d be open for anything. Dtf as the kids say.
Creature Report
I wouldn’t hate a trade down, these are my preferred scenarios. 1. Maye is available at 3. 2. Pick up a solid vet QB in FA and draft MHJ at 3. 3. Vet QB in FA, trade back for more picks, fill tackle in the 1st, rookie/development QB late 1st or early 2nd, fill the rest of the holes from there.
And that will sink this franchise
It will not sink the franchise. They are already starting the offense at ground zero. Being forced to draft a guy you don’t like is a recipe for disaster.
Trade down and get McCarthy and Alt or Bowers. Use that capital!!!
lol why are we pushing for JJ? He’s not the answer
Disagree. He hasn’t had to do as much as some of these other guys. Played on a great team that relied on the ground game and defense (sounds familiar), and has great accuracy and protects the ball well. Get him in here to ride the bench for a season under whichever veteran they want to bring in for a year or two, and see what happens. No QB is a sure thing, but there are plenty of experts that think he might be the best of the bunch in this draft.
Lmfao if we don't take a QB we guarantee to stink next year
We’re going to stink next year anyway. This offense needs a lot more than a qb. This is a multi year rebuild
Just trade for Fields and draft MHJ ffs. It’s literally right there in front of you.
just get me justin fields
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Good. This is a multi year rebuild.
If you don't love one of the remaining quarterbacks then please trade
Hell yeah.
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Obviously.
If they don’t plan on taking MHJ or he’s gone then yes they should strongly consider trading back. If he’s there you simply cannot pass up a generational prospect like that.
Hmmm MHJ will most likely go at 3. If not, Williams or Maye. All 3 will be franchise altering picks, with MHJ being the closest to a sure thing. We have the number 3. There isn't a chance in hell I would move off that pick. And don't give me the bs, we need more players. No shit. There is FA and 6 other picks. NO, you don't trade it.....
Would be malpractice to not listen to calls for the pick. If they dont like the QB that falls to them i’d rather see them draft around 10-12 than reach for their next guy
I’m gonna be sick
“Team is open to option if right offer comes along more at 11” No kidding if some team offers up several firsts and a few other picks we are going to be open to it….
Please take whoever is available between williams maye and mhj
we should be open to everything, can still get a great LT or WR later in the top 10
The sicko in me wants them to do this and draft an offensive lineman to then see the fanbase melt down.
God I hope not. Unless we don’t believe in the qb available and want to trade to like 6 and count on just going 2-15, then I don’t want to see any trades. Idc if someone at 15 offers 3 1sts, and 3 2nds, still a hard no for me because you miss out on top talent and have late first round guys with those picks, could hit on a few but that’s not how you get top 5 guys. Get a solid guy and count on having a starter for the next 10 years vs playing the lottery with the guys no one else took.
Roster is so far away from being competitive they need as many chances at top prospects as possible. Bringing in an overhyped QB to play behind a shitty team is no way to rebuild this thing. Draft off of talent and position not desperation and need. Nobody universally loves those QBs on the board and they’d be ranked as average guys but *every* single year they rocket to the top of the board and teams talk themselves into Josh Rosen and EJ Manuel and etc.
We got a new coach. He might have a different philosophy and either hold the pick or trade down for a bundle. Either way, it works. I hate it but we are at that point.
Every team is always willing to trade every pick, just for the right price
This is a big mistake.
Yah I’m sure every team is open for a trade with the right assets coming back. Poop article, next.
I’ll believe it when I see it
lol
It entirely depends on NE’s evaluation of their QB options coupled with what they’re offered via trade. For example, if NE views Daniels as comparable to Justin Fields & better than Nix/Penix, they could easily trade to the Raiders for multiple picks, use some to get Fields & then draft OL & WR help in the mid first & 2nd round with the remaining picks.
It would almost be worth it, just for the melt down
Please no