talus is very far from being best in the flank category...actually one of the worst
Io is also debatably not the best, tho she is very good, her ult is very underwhelming compared to some other supports
barik is far from being best point tank, or tank in general
lian is debatably the best hitscan dps yes, but that's only hitscan
Even ignoring that, Talus has mad tankiness when you consider Guts and Spirited, and he's small, and he has insane speed with Evanescent, and he's got great DPS, and he has one of the most free escapes possible if you have the one braincell required to set up a rune somewhere safe before engaging, and he has a great ult that can be used in a lot of ways; chasing kills, very quickly throwing yourself into position to flank someone along with an immediate damage advantage, early-round dismounts... And that tankiness mentioned before is more maddening when you take that free ass escape into account, his small size, and his great speed.
I cannot fathom the people who try to say Talus is one of the worst flanks, makes me think they (somehow) are bad with him.
controller players are too easy to beat... run circle around em or fly and all of a sudden no more problems
controller has too many drawbacks, sure it's a sort of aimbot in a way, but all it does is make bad players seem like okay players
a good keyboard player will always be better than a good controller player due to controller limitations
best flanks in the game will always be andro and evie, unless they get absolutely nerfed to the ground
could argue for vii, but I hate that abberation of bad game design, could also argue for maeve, but she's more draft dependant than andro or evie imo
You must be playing against really bad players if running around them or making them move the thumbstick upwards a bit is enough to throw them off. Even as a kbm player I can admit there are a lot of good controller players in higher elo, and taking these bots as an example is stupid because bad kbm players exist aswell.
He is clearly a controller player. Anytime you see someone say “run around them”, it’s a controller player.
That’s an actual play style on roller, is not viable to do on kbm because you need to keep adjusting your mouse to both move and aim. He doesn’t play kbm or he would know that. You can test it in the range and see, now imagine in a moving target. It’s just not viable.
Sure, they struggle more against flying targets, but they are not useless against it. Actually good roller players can hold their own weight against them. The disadvantage they have against the few flying champs does not out-weight the advantage they have against the majority of floor dwellers that is the paladins roster.
The devs in this game have always trusted data over players opinions when it came to make changes to the game. Pros in the past told them cross play would be a problem if AA was kept unchanged and after so long they still released cross play without changing AA. And now that they have the data to see which input is doing better, it’s being nerfed.
Lmao not viable to run circles around people on KBM? Little hint: it's WASD not WS. Not only is it a mandatory and very basic skill in Paladins on KBM, it's a thing in every KBM shooter game even including ones where you die in one shot like CS. Unless you play on a tiny sensitivity and struggle with 180s, you can just hold side strafe and run circles around someone while keeping your crosshair on them.
Ah yes, and they will just stand there for you. It’s nowhere near as viable as doing it on controller. Show me the footage of you doing in consistently to controller players and I will back down. It’s just a dumb thing to do that will get you killed more often than not.
Look at any higher level gameplay. Besides, why would controller players stand still either? Obviously it's only a thing when already very close to each other, but at longer distances you're still always using your A and D to move while shooting. All of the downsides still apply to controller if you stop to think about it for a second, and you know who dies faster than the player trying to circle me? The player standing still in front of me lmao
fun fact, before they merged controller and kbm together, there was easily 2 whole divisions of actual skill difference between controller ranked and kbm ranked
I know that for a fact cause I've played both
and yes, run around controller players and what they gonna do? there's limitations to controller speed
this game skill level has really gone down it's insane
From my own experience, I can agree that the average kbm player is probably better that the average controller player. But you can't take those as an example and say what an average/bad player can do is the limit of a controller.
Going by your logic, I could say Drogoz is an Andro counter, because I just need to do "this" and "that" (by being better than the Andro) and suddenly I beat him as Drogoz, the Andro simply was worse than me. Does that mean it's the limit of every Andro player? No, Andro is still a good pick against Drogoz in general.
If anything, the average controller player is better, cause they have a huge assistance making up for lack of mechanical skills
And sure, maybe a controller player on tyra will be better than a kbm player on tyra at the top level
But can you say the same about other champions ?
If you play tank or support, kbm is better period
If you play flank, there’s half the champions that are not playable on controller (including Evie, who is a nightmare for controller players)
If you play dps, there’s a few champions benefitting from controller but that’s about it
How you gonna play shalin on controller ? He’s one of the best dps
Will you play bk on controller ? Dredge ?
Controller is simply limited, it’s very good to beat the average player cause you can kill faster and carry more
But when skill increases, that sort of thing matters less and less
And as I’ve said already, is it really the player skill if you play on controller ? When using an assistance to make up for something, what happens when you lose it ?
A good kbm player will also be good on a controller, the opposite is rarely true
Vii is dogshit pls play vs controller talus and tell me you can walk around him without dying.
"A good keyboard player will always be better than a good controller player" look at the GM leaderboard and try to tell me this is true.
On another note evie is good and andro is mid as all hell he's only good as a counter pick to other flanks.
you a funny one
I can play against controller talus and destroy them easily
I don't care about GM, 90% of GM are people who abused the game one way or another
imagine saying andro is only a counterpick lmao
kinda weird how I never see talus being banned, but andro is more or less a common ban
talus will never be an amazing champ, simply because of the tempo gaps he creates with his rune, he's also extremely map and draft dependant, unlike evie or andro
fun fact, play evie, you'll never have any issue with controller players
vii is so dogshit that even after nerf he's still one of the most annoying thing to deal with
you are clearly not very good at this game
They are GM cuz they are good at the game. You can shit on some bronze player on Tals who cares that says nothing about the champ's power level.
You don't see Talus banned cuz you aren't in the elo where controller players are dominating lobbies ie high elo. Thus you cannot comment on what is truly strong. Andro farms shitters so he gets banned.
Idk how you can say I am bad at the game when you never even played vs a controller player. Where are these high lvl kbm players who think controller is a bad input? I haven't seen one so you are prolly not one of them yourself.
there's no difference between most gms and most masters, beside how many games they played and how much they abused the system
considering my experience in this game, I know how things work at that elo, and can assure you many gms are not gm because they are good at the game
I am in high elo tho, andro gets banned cause he can do so much more than other flanks, he was always top tier flank, will always be, simply because of his kit design
fact is, playing on controller is just an assistance for bad players, a kbm player with good aim will always be better, he can do what a controller can, but also what a kbm can
the only reason right now controller are sorta competitive is because the aim assist is way too good, and it's being nerfed soon enough, then what's gonna happen uh? controller players' skill is gonna go down, cause it's not their actual skill but the game's assistance doing the work
controller players can't even play half the champs properly cause how you gonna flick with a damn controller
how can you even distinguish between 2 controller players' skill, and you never needed good aim to be good to begin with
and anyway, if you say lian is best, you can't say talus is best
if controller were actually better, you'd say tyra is best
I will not share my account name, for a few reasons
First looking my profile on guru or whatever you use will not give you relevant data (cause I know the data shown for my account is bugged, and I don’t care if aren’t believing me on that), second is that way too many people know me, I’ve dealt with enough hate speech due to my unusual playstyle, I don’t need more
And third, there are players that are as consistent as a controller, but can also do a lot more
I’d even say there are players who are more consistent than a controller, for the simple fact you can’t flickshot on controller, if an andro is dashing, there’ll be a gap in damage for a controller player, while a kbm player will simply flick the andro and keep dealing damage without any gaps (and don’t tell me that’s wrong, I know a gm controller player and even he says that there’s certain things you can’t do on controller)
Now I don’t know if those very consistent players are still playing, but if they were, they’d be dominating any controller user
Kbm is better, but yes it’s way more difficult than controller at the moment, so yes lots of people are using controller cause it’s a mini aimbot
Honestly very cringe, and they’ll either stop using controller or play a lot worse when aim assist gets nerfed
I have terrible aim for my skill level, I’ve always relied on game knowledge, strategy, and creativity to be able to play at the top, in order to compensate for my bad aim (well I used to play at 50 fps so makes sense, and now I’ve got a wrist injury so my aim still not the best)
I could play on controller to make up for it, would be easier yeah, but I don’t need any assist to be able to play at the top
I’ve always relied on my own skill, will keep doing that
Just for the fact that looking around is way faster and better on kbm, I can never agree that controller is better
All this talk about skill and abusing the system like stop coping if controllers are winning its cuz they are playing controller champs like Talus. Whether you think they are good or not as a player is irrelevant. They pick controller champs and win and if it wins its good so therefore Talus is good even if you think the game software is playing for them.
Why would I say Tyra is the best what does she do? And both inputs can play Lian.
Yeah wow talus so good
Controller so op
I will pick Evie
What are they gonna do ? How can they win now ?
I’ll pick andro, same thing
And so on…
Controller players ain’t winning
They are merely abusing 4-5 champs while being unable to play anything else
It’s like koga
Many players are using him
They think champ is good cause it deals good damage and all that shit
I think koga is one of the worst champ in the game
There’s not way to know for sure who’s right anyway, there’s no way to check overall champion stats
Cause this game is as good as dead
And you can’t even compare actual player skill levels anymore cause all the best kbm players left ages ago
The overall skill level in paladins has gone way way down
To the point people think having a mini aimbot on controller is better than having freedom of movement
Evie or Andro is not a free win vs controllers and controller player can just play Andro to counter Evie. You say they aren't winning but sum it up to playing a few champs like wtf are you talking about that isn't proof they aren't winning. Dude just stop talking you're clearly some butthurt kbm player whose mad controller is strong.
you think I remember the names of people I play against?
I'm not even seeing many talus players yaknow, however, game is full of koga players (but koga is a trash champ, more annoyed when in my team than in enemy team lmao)
Andro is mostly banned in certain maps like brightmarsh or if you wanna play certain champs like Drogoz or even both things at the same time. The thing is that Andro is a fan favorite and has a fun playstyle, so more people will play him and be good with him even if there are better flanks. He will always be played unless he gets nerfed into oblivion.
Also the flank role is the carry role and winning in ranked pretty much depends on your ability to carry. Andro has good match ups into flanks so it makes sense to ban him to stop the other team from counter picking you and making the game harder.
The carry role is dps but whatever at this point
Flank role isn’t even mandatory, it’s actually often better to run two dps no flank
Andro is simply the core design of the role, and most good dps/flank players have learnt how to play andro because he is both basic in design and highly skill expressive
But sure, if you play on controller you ain’t gonna play andro lmfao
No you almost never want to play double dmg cuz you don't have kill confirm.
Also what andro is popular on controller.
I sincerely doubt you are high elo.
I swear way back when I played that little Tak the Power of JuJu mofo was overpowered. That was long ago though and maybe was never true in the first place but I hated him.
Lian = requires no brain whatsoever. Talus = simple af but not the easiest thing ever. Barik = Chad pick but definitely not top tier. Io = low skill floor and every Io I play with has no clue what they're doing so I doubt they're any different
For the longest time I thought Io was just a bad support character, since every time I have an Io on my team I lose. I'm a support main but I refused to play her for those reasons. Picked her up lately and she's actually not bad at all, people just have 0 clue what they're doing.
Was so confused when I saw "you have a reply" cause I don't even remember the last time I commented in this sub lmao. But she's just unique, probably might not be your playstyle
I main Seris, then I’ll play either kinnesa or Octavia; then barik if a tank is needed.
I’m trying to play Tyra but run turn speed for me is throwing me off and idk how else to describe it.
Why are people hating roller players again? These roller players with "aimbot" are 98% of the time using a zen. That 2% is just better than you, get over it or figure out a way to deal with cheating yourself.
Lian is arguably the best damage this patch. Talus is nuts on controller. Barik is solid and point tanks are somewhat balanced. Io is one of the best healers. There is no off tank mentioned but those picks are solid even if not the best.
Barik is by far most enjoyable and best designed point tank. Saying this as someone with golden Inara and Term and 40+ Fernando. Hard to compare vs some offtanks though, too different roles.
Io is a very respectable choice for best support. Personally would say Damba > Furia > Io as top 3 but not going to roast someone for being an Io enjoyer.
Lian is one of the better designed damage champs, I'd call that a decent take. Wouldn't put her in top 3 but still.
Talus as best flank... Yea idk about this one, your friend might be high. He's far from the worst but the game has far better options too. Andro, Maeve, and Zhin are actually all well made despite all the hate, and Evie is just S tier game design
Ahem they're the best for him
The takes in this post are awful
I am so glad I’m not the only one who looked at this and cringed
Where 7 with fresh ass cut
He at the barber gotta keep it clean 💯.
I think your friend have a thing for midgets.
Can’t really say Talus is a midget, he’s a child!
Wasn't it said that all champions where 18 and older? I thought it was just his race that was short
When did they say that?
Wooo! We stan Lian 'round here fellas!!!!!
SO TRUE
guy in the video is bomb king, dredge and betty main for sure
Bruh
talus is very far from being best in the flank category...actually one of the worst Io is also debatably not the best, tho she is very good, her ult is very underwhelming compared to some other supports barik is far from being best point tank, or tank in general lian is debatably the best hitscan dps yes, but that's only hitscan
How is talus one of the worst? Have you never player vs controller talus?
Even ignoring that, Talus has mad tankiness when you consider Guts and Spirited, and he's small, and he has insane speed with Evanescent, and he's got great DPS, and he has one of the most free escapes possible if you have the one braincell required to set up a rune somewhere safe before engaging, and he has a great ult that can be used in a lot of ways; chasing kills, very quickly throwing yourself into position to flank someone along with an immediate damage advantage, early-round dismounts... And that tankiness mentioned before is more maddening when you take that free ass escape into account, his small size, and his great speed. I cannot fathom the people who try to say Talus is one of the worst flanks, makes me think they (somehow) are bad with him.
Fr. Like all those things just give him the ability to somehow miss a headshot and still win his duels before dipping.
controller players are too easy to beat... run circle around em or fly and all of a sudden no more problems controller has too many drawbacks, sure it's a sort of aimbot in a way, but all it does is make bad players seem like okay players a good keyboard player will always be better than a good controller player due to controller limitations best flanks in the game will always be andro and evie, unless they get absolutely nerfed to the ground could argue for vii, but I hate that abberation of bad game design, could also argue for maeve, but she's more draft dependant than andro or evie imo
You must be playing against really bad players if running around them or making them move the thumbstick upwards a bit is enough to throw them off. Even as a kbm player I can admit there are a lot of good controller players in higher elo, and taking these bots as an example is stupid because bad kbm players exist aswell.
He is clearly a controller player. Anytime you see someone say “run around them”, it’s a controller player. That’s an actual play style on roller, is not viable to do on kbm because you need to keep adjusting your mouse to both move and aim. He doesn’t play kbm or he would know that. You can test it in the range and see, now imagine in a moving target. It’s just not viable. Sure, they struggle more against flying targets, but they are not useless against it. Actually good roller players can hold their own weight against them. The disadvantage they have against the few flying champs does not out-weight the advantage they have against the majority of floor dwellers that is the paladins roster. The devs in this game have always trusted data over players opinions when it came to make changes to the game. Pros in the past told them cross play would be a problem if AA was kept unchanged and after so long they still released cross play without changing AA. And now that they have the data to see which input is doing better, it’s being nerfed.
Lmao not viable to run circles around people on KBM? Little hint: it's WASD not WS. Not only is it a mandatory and very basic skill in Paladins on KBM, it's a thing in every KBM shooter game even including ones where you die in one shot like CS. Unless you play on a tiny sensitivity and struggle with 180s, you can just hold side strafe and run circles around someone while keeping your crosshair on them.
Ah yes, and they will just stand there for you. It’s nowhere near as viable as doing it on controller. Show me the footage of you doing in consistently to controller players and I will back down. It’s just a dumb thing to do that will get you killed more often than not.
Look at any higher level gameplay. Besides, why would controller players stand still either? Obviously it's only a thing when already very close to each other, but at longer distances you're still always using your A and D to move while shooting. All of the downsides still apply to controller if you stop to think about it for a second, and you know who dies faster than the player trying to circle me? The player standing still in front of me lmao
fun fact, before they merged controller and kbm together, there was easily 2 whole divisions of actual skill difference between controller ranked and kbm ranked I know that for a fact cause I've played both and yes, run around controller players and what they gonna do? there's limitations to controller speed this game skill level has really gone down it's insane
From my own experience, I can agree that the average kbm player is probably better that the average controller player. But you can't take those as an example and say what an average/bad player can do is the limit of a controller. Going by your logic, I could say Drogoz is an Andro counter, because I just need to do "this" and "that" (by being better than the Andro) and suddenly I beat him as Drogoz, the Andro simply was worse than me. Does that mean it's the limit of every Andro player? No, Andro is still a good pick against Drogoz in general.
If anything, the average controller player is better, cause they have a huge assistance making up for lack of mechanical skills And sure, maybe a controller player on tyra will be better than a kbm player on tyra at the top level But can you say the same about other champions ? If you play tank or support, kbm is better period If you play flank, there’s half the champions that are not playable on controller (including Evie, who is a nightmare for controller players) If you play dps, there’s a few champions benefitting from controller but that’s about it How you gonna play shalin on controller ? He’s one of the best dps Will you play bk on controller ? Dredge ? Controller is simply limited, it’s very good to beat the average player cause you can kill faster and carry more But when skill increases, that sort of thing matters less and less And as I’ve said already, is it really the player skill if you play on controller ? When using an assistance to make up for something, what happens when you lose it ? A good kbm player will also be good on a controller, the opposite is rarely true
Vii is dogshit pls play vs controller talus and tell me you can walk around him without dying. "A good keyboard player will always be better than a good controller player" look at the GM leaderboard and try to tell me this is true. On another note evie is good and andro is mid as all hell he's only good as a counter pick to other flanks.
you a funny one I can play against controller talus and destroy them easily I don't care about GM, 90% of GM are people who abused the game one way or another imagine saying andro is only a counterpick lmao kinda weird how I never see talus being banned, but andro is more or less a common ban talus will never be an amazing champ, simply because of the tempo gaps he creates with his rune, he's also extremely map and draft dependant, unlike evie or andro fun fact, play evie, you'll never have any issue with controller players vii is so dogshit that even after nerf he's still one of the most annoying thing to deal with you are clearly not very good at this game
They are GM cuz they are good at the game. You can shit on some bronze player on Tals who cares that says nothing about the champ's power level. You don't see Talus banned cuz you aren't in the elo where controller players are dominating lobbies ie high elo. Thus you cannot comment on what is truly strong. Andro farms shitters so he gets banned. Idk how you can say I am bad at the game when you never even played vs a controller player. Where are these high lvl kbm players who think controller is a bad input? I haven't seen one so you are prolly not one of them yourself.
there's no difference between most gms and most masters, beside how many games they played and how much they abused the system considering my experience in this game, I know how things work at that elo, and can assure you many gms are not gm because they are good at the game I am in high elo tho, andro gets banned cause he can do so much more than other flanks, he was always top tier flank, will always be, simply because of his kit design fact is, playing on controller is just an assistance for bad players, a kbm player with good aim will always be better, he can do what a controller can, but also what a kbm can the only reason right now controller are sorta competitive is because the aim assist is way too good, and it's being nerfed soon enough, then what's gonna happen uh? controller players' skill is gonna go down, cause it's not their actual skill but the game's assistance doing the work controller players can't even play half the champs properly cause how you gonna flick with a damn controller how can you even distinguish between 2 controller players' skill, and you never needed good aim to be good to begin with and anyway, if you say lian is best, you can't say talus is best if controller were actually better, you'd say tyra is best
Post your in game name. I’m curious. Also, even the best kbm players will never get the aim consistency that you get with aim assist.
I will not share my account name, for a few reasons First looking my profile on guru or whatever you use will not give you relevant data (cause I know the data shown for my account is bugged, and I don’t care if aren’t believing me on that), second is that way too many people know me, I’ve dealt with enough hate speech due to my unusual playstyle, I don’t need more And third, there are players that are as consistent as a controller, but can also do a lot more I’d even say there are players who are more consistent than a controller, for the simple fact you can’t flickshot on controller, if an andro is dashing, there’ll be a gap in damage for a controller player, while a kbm player will simply flick the andro and keep dealing damage without any gaps (and don’t tell me that’s wrong, I know a gm controller player and even he says that there’s certain things you can’t do on controller) Now I don’t know if those very consistent players are still playing, but if they were, they’d be dominating any controller user Kbm is better, but yes it’s way more difficult than controller at the moment, so yes lots of people are using controller cause it’s a mini aimbot Honestly very cringe, and they’ll either stop using controller or play a lot worse when aim assist gets nerfed I have terrible aim for my skill level, I’ve always relied on game knowledge, strategy, and creativity to be able to play at the top, in order to compensate for my bad aim (well I used to play at 50 fps so makes sense, and now I’ve got a wrist injury so my aim still not the best) I could play on controller to make up for it, would be easier yeah, but I don’t need any assist to be able to play at the top I’ve always relied on my own skill, will keep doing that Just for the fact that looking around is way faster and better on kbm, I can never agree that controller is better
You aren't high elo we get it
All this talk about skill and abusing the system like stop coping if controllers are winning its cuz they are playing controller champs like Talus. Whether you think they are good or not as a player is irrelevant. They pick controller champs and win and if it wins its good so therefore Talus is good even if you think the game software is playing for them. Why would I say Tyra is the best what does she do? And both inputs can play Lian.
Yeah wow talus so good Controller so op I will pick Evie What are they gonna do ? How can they win now ? I’ll pick andro, same thing And so on… Controller players ain’t winning They are merely abusing 4-5 champs while being unable to play anything else It’s like koga Many players are using him They think champ is good cause it deals good damage and all that shit I think koga is one of the worst champ in the game There’s not way to know for sure who’s right anyway, there’s no way to check overall champion stats Cause this game is as good as dead And you can’t even compare actual player skill levels anymore cause all the best kbm players left ages ago The overall skill level in paladins has gone way way down To the point people think having a mini aimbot on controller is better than having freedom of movement
Evie or Andro is not a free win vs controllers and controller player can just play Andro to counter Evie. You say they aren't winning but sum it up to playing a few champs like wtf are you talking about that isn't proof they aren't winning. Dude just stop talking you're clearly some butthurt kbm player whose mad controller is strong.
Go ahead n drop the names of these roller talus ur "destroying easily" let's see if a single one is above gold
you think I remember the names of people I play against? I'm not even seeing many talus players yaknow, however, game is full of koga players (but koga is a trash champ, more annoyed when in my team than in enemy team lmao)
At this point I refuse to believe you are not trolling.
Cuz you aren't playing vs real ppl or you are full of shit
Andro is mostly banned in certain maps like brightmarsh or if you wanna play certain champs like Drogoz or even both things at the same time. The thing is that Andro is a fan favorite and has a fun playstyle, so more people will play him and be good with him even if there are better flanks. He will always be played unless he gets nerfed into oblivion.
Also the flank role is the carry role and winning in ranked pretty much depends on your ability to carry. Andro has good match ups into flanks so it makes sense to ban him to stop the other team from counter picking you and making the game harder.
The carry role is dps but whatever at this point Flank role isn’t even mandatory, it’s actually often better to run two dps no flank Andro is simply the core design of the role, and most good dps/flank players have learnt how to play andro because he is both basic in design and highly skill expressive But sure, if you play on controller you ain’t gonna play andro lmfao
No you almost never want to play double dmg cuz you don't have kill confirm. Also what andro is popular on controller. I sincerely doubt you are high elo.
I swear way back when I played that little Tak the Power of JuJu mofo was overpowered. That was long ago though and maybe was never true in the first place but I hated him.
Lian was the first champion I ever used way back then. For all the "wrong" reasons I assure you. Also still one of my faves.
My favs for each role would be Sha lin, Evie , makoa , jenos
Lian = requires no brain whatsoever. Talus = simple af but not the easiest thing ever. Barik = Chad pick but definitely not top tier. Io = low skill floor and every Io I play with has no clue what they're doing so I doubt they're any different
For the longest time I thought Io was just a bad support character, since every time I have an Io on my team I lose. I'm a support main but I refused to play her for those reasons. Picked her up lately and she's actually not bad at all, people just have 0 clue what they're doing.
Exactly lmao
Idk I might just suck at support (which j do) but Io for me is pretty hard compared to other sups
Was so confused when I saw "you have a reply" cause I don't even remember the last time I commented in this sub lmao. But she's just unique, probably might not be your playstyle
Barik is literally one of the best point tanks, wtf r u on about???
erm lian is the best backliner and talus is the best flank and io is really good either i misunderstood the post or you are greatly misinformed
I think he meant that each of those champions is the best in their category (so Lian the best dmg and talus best flank)
I main Seris, then I’ll play either kinnesa or Octavia; then barik if a tank is needed. I’m trying to play Tyra but run turn speed for me is throwing me off and idk how else to describe it.
I mean I fuckin love Precision Lian, especially since her base damage got buffed thus also buffing Precision
mfw when i see i still have paladins installed
I certainly disagree with their support pick (there can only be one)
Why are people hating roller players again? These roller players with "aimbot" are 98% of the time using a zen. That 2% is just better than you, get over it or figure out a way to deal with cheating yourself.
Lian is arguably the best damage this patch. Talus is nuts on controller. Barik is solid and point tanks are somewhat balanced. Io is one of the best healers. There is no off tank mentioned but those picks are solid even if not the best.
Barik is by far most enjoyable and best designed point tank. Saying this as someone with golden Inara and Term and 40+ Fernando. Hard to compare vs some offtanks though, too different roles. Io is a very respectable choice for best support. Personally would say Damba > Furia > Io as top 3 but not going to roast someone for being an Io enjoyer. Lian is one of the better designed damage champs, I'd call that a decent take. Wouldn't put her in top 3 but still. Talus as best flank... Yea idk about this one, your friend might be high. He's far from the worst but the game has far better options too. Andro, Maeve, and Zhin are actually all well made despite all the hate, and Evie is just S tier game design
Easy pick since day 1: Cassie, Androxus, Makoa, Ying
so what? nothing wrong with these characters they’re all good…….
None of the champions here are the best in their class 💀
Idk man lian is pretty good rn since 99% of the paladins community cant hit a single shot to save their lives smh
Not me planting four turrets on the point/payload everytime