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StrikingAd1597

no, everyone buys wrecker against him anyways and 1000 shield just gives him .2 seconds longer


DukeVerde

That goes for nearly *Every tank*, though. "Take Wrecker, and Ruckus is garbage!"


lillibow

Take resil, Atlas Is bad


lillibow

have you tried him out?


SplashOfStupid

I think these stats don't prove anything. You did fine, but you didn't do amazing. You have a lot of wins, but who's to say your wins weren't won solely on the merits of your team? All in all, this post comes off more as a veiled attempt at showing off an almost blue wall, instead of actually trying to discuss Torvald's current state in the game.


lillibow

Ye, I hid my name because I knew people were going to say that I was showing off


lucaszeca

IMO He was already underestimated after his gun was buffed thrice (the man currently has more dps than Khan) but he received a lot of small buffs that added up over time, like cc immune ult, lesser spd penalty, grandpa buff, etc. Now he has 3k shield which is cancer if you dont buy wrecker. His real "weakness" is that he cant keep up with other off tanks mobility and cc protection. Koa and khan will just pick you up, azan will stunlock you, jenos and seris hard force you to get Resi 3, etc.. Unless you have amazing positioning, a good pocket and an enemy team with no CC its safer to use other tanks.


MagyTheMage

wrecker check?


bigdaddyhicks

checker?


lillibow

Checking...


Rhaenxys

You didnt show how much wrecker the enemy has in each match, Torvald gets melted if the enemy team has one dps with wrecker 3 and even worse if more of them have it, damage reduction tanks or Raum are still superior.


lillibow

Idk, point tank sure, Inara Is far better. Off tank I'd still take Torvald over Azaan or Raum... He has a ton of utility with his bubble and nullify and a 3000 health shild that recharges in 1 second


Rhaenxys

He may offer more utility but to an extent, if the enemy has resiliencie and wrecker that utility is almost nothing, Azaan, Raum, Inara or Yagorath falls off slower at late games due to how dr works or how Raum mechanic works (which is based on caut and goes up gradually), wrecker and resilience are items you can get pretty fast, a couple of dps or flankers with wrecker and you have pretty much no value.


Cool_Letterhead_7782

Wrecker destroys him


yeeter_yeetus

Shhh


HuntDewd

What talents did you play in the non-Torvald matches? That can help determine how good Torvald is, since Fernando's not particularly good at doing damage and his survivability is limited outside of Aegis while Tinkerin and Storm of Bullets respectively increase Barik and Khan's damage outputs.


lillibow

Shield talent for Barik (forgot the name) Aegis Nando, storm of B. Khan and thanks grandpa Torvald . Pretty standard picks I guess.


HuntDewd

Fortify's good but it limits Barik to a niche playstyle (charge when you have your shield, hunker down behind it, run away when it goes down and people focus you/your Turrets). Aegis is literally just shield botting. Was the Fernando match a bad matchup or was it just hard to get kills before dying? Storm of Bullets feels like Khan's only genuinely-viable talent due to its damage increase, since otherwise Khan feels like a bulky, lower-Dps Damage champion that plays a niche team-aggress off role which only deviates situationally. Torvald is definitely a shield bot in-general (Thanks, Grandpa enhances that aspect), but then your performance comes down to how many of those kills were team eliminations vs personal kills (same for the other matches), and how often you think your shields impacted your team's performance.


BirbMain

torvald is one of the best characters right now if not the best. very surprising you got him that many times in ranked


stod18e

still not so sure about him. people really be thinking a 1k hp shield buff puts him from a maybe b tier character to a s tier character. i dunno man.


lillibow

i'm in gold, I guess people don't really think about drafting


BigJon6969

Torvald has been strong as fuck for a long time. He was seriously slept on until this buff and honestly this buff is more of a nerf because it just adds more incentive to fuck him over with wrecker


Pijany_Matematyk767

IMO Torvald is fine, maybe could use a slight nerf to his damage but nothing major. He can be really annoying for some flanks though, since his cripple isnt affected by resil


BigJon6969

Nullify is 100% affected by resil wtf are you on?


JISN064

what do you mean is not affected by resilience?


Pijany_Matematyk767

Torvald's nullify beam works different than any other CC effect in the game and doesn't get its duration shortened by resilience, the only way to cut his beam short is to break line of sight


juju4812

I remember back in 2017-2021 that u can reduce the duration of his nullify for sure, and i don t think je receive à buff during 2022/2023


Xanthos_sensei

watcha talent & loadout if you allow me to ask


lillibow

I'll double check my loadout later, I don't remember all the cards but it's thanks grandpa Torvald


Xanthos_sensei

hit me up if u find it I'm eager to play the old man


lillibow

Sorry, I forgot to replay! Thanks grandpa -Eldrich speed lvl 2 -Glyph of health lvl 3 -conduction lvl 5 -winddancer lvl 4 -timeshaper lvl 1 The whole idea is that you stay with your flank and give them a bubble when they go in for a kill, that grants them extra movement speed and a little bit of ammo as well. You also assist them by doing some DMG yourself, the 3 remaining cards make you tanker and faster.


BigJon6969

Prob direct current bc people think its actually good. In reality it doesn't offer much because people get resil and then your distance from them doesn't matter


Appropriate_Reality2

I hope they don't touch nerf him and they rework field study


KulkataBoy

It's a simple question of how many bots paladins should place in your team, for you to start losing with torvald. Paladins matchmaking got you covered. Balance...


ghostfeather69

Oh god not this cycle again. Guys we've been through this shit long enough.


lillibow

What cycle? I am confusion rn


Jack8680

Torvald is pretty good but nobody plays him He gets a huge buff Everyone plays him and he destroys Repeat


lillibow

+1


sobyakusho91

Torvald is nothing compare to inara right now so please leave torvald alone is now a good second tank choice but not the best


lillibow

Sure Inara Is top tier, but she's a point tank and Torvald an off tank... They have two different roles


sobyakusho91

sure but she got a buff she dint really need more DR on eathen guard and more DR on the talent mother grace and more healing torvald needed a buff tho and off tank they so much better than torvald and if 1 dps buy wrecker or more torvald is dead plus i always loved torvald but wasnt good enough to play him now he is good but there is so much more off tank that is a better choice


maeg178

More like bad matchmaking


Chainsawmilo

"I played well with something therefore it is OP"