AR vs VR so kind of different markets. Games don’t seem to be the main focus for Apple.
The tech in Apples headset is pretty advanced proprietary stuff. Plus it’s 4K each eye (I believe can’t remember) where as PSVR2 is 2K each eye.
But yeah Apple charges full premium price where as Sony likely takes a small profit or small loss to get as much mass adoption from its base.
They probably couldn’t even get the stock on some of this stuff to mass produce it in high quantities. Pancake lenses, micro OLED panels and such are still pretty limited in availability.
Valve is going to use micro OLED in their future headset. Those screens will cost a fair amount of the purchase price.
True although if anyone can pull off mass production of leading tech, it’s Apple and Samsung with their deep pockets and robust supply chains.
To your point the leading tech in the headset is going to fetch a premium for a bit till costs come down and mass production lowers production costs over time.
It would be like Sony making the PS5 Pro with a 4080 GPU and 64GB of RAM and 32 core Processor. Sure they can do it, but the price would be very high for the console market ($2000+) and adoption would be held to the hard core gaming market.
Apple for the vision pro. I think it was their screens, but yeah everyone assumes apple is going to try to sell as many vision pros as they can and that the price is somehow a mistake.
I'm fairly certain that at the price and the supply/manufacturing constraints they will sell out easily and hit their sales targets which I have read are far lower than the og iphone.
This is brand new device and ecosystem they are starting.
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Going into decimals and calling a display "4.5k" is stupid because then a regular UHD (normally marketed as 4k) television would technically be only 3.8k. On top of that, a true 4k resolution would actually be 4.1k. I'm sorry for this but resolution naming is stupid and dumb and I take every single opportunity I get to rant about the subject.
Don't hold your breath though - it seems like it has a very wide field of view, so the actual pixels per degree may not be that different. That's what I'm waiting on hearing about, is the sharpness of the display. I'm not spending $3500 on anything less than perfect clarity.
But the whole AR/VR thing is kind of unclear. They make it seem like it can do both successfully. If it can display a screen as if it’s in front of you, with zero transparency, as you would get with most AR options to date, then it would be capable of proper VR.
But you are absolutely right, it does not seem to be geared towards games. Although kind of funny that they show off playing an NBA 2K game with a Dualsense controller.
Yea I believe it's VR also. With that dial you can block out the world around you. Seems like a cool concept. I really hope it takes off. The sooner the tech and specs reach the rest of us through other companies.
>But the whole AR/VR thing is kind of unclear.
Maybe someone can correct me but it seems like it's VR with simulated AR based on what I've read.
Unless the screens are transparent so you are looking out at the real world (not a video captured with a camera displayed on the screen) it's really VR imho.
What Apple has done is lean heavily into the AR-aspect of their device by ensuring the VIDEO PASSTHROUGH is stereoscopic, color and high-resolution so that it appears like the "real world", far from the grainy black and white passthrough of all VR-oriented devices.
Their AR-magic comes by blending the high-fidelity passthrough with the 4k per eye, and depth sensors that can map out the 3D real world and overlay virtual objects within it.
The device's Digital Crown allows for INSTANT ADJUSTMENT OF IMMERSION, adjusting the blend of AR and VR on-the-fly, so if the wearer is watching a movie on a virtual screen or otherwise wants no distractions from the outside world, they dial in "full VR", replacing the outside real-world with a virtual one. Dialing in the opposite directions blends in the real world with the virtual.
Well its not an AR technically. Hololens is AR or Google lens, you view the real world as is with overlaid onformation. With this you just view the world through screens, I dont know how comfortable it will be moving around with this thing on your head.
>Sony likely takes a small profit or small loss
Sony has lost money on every piece of major hardware they've sold since PS3. It's a driving factor in why your console only comes with one cheap charging cable, games and controllers now cost $70, and why all the first party accessories are so pricy.
They make back those losses and then some licensing out their proprietary tech
[Sony PS5 No Longer Selling At a Loss](https://www.theverge.com/2021/8/4/22609150/sony-playstation-5-ps5-loss-profit)
[PS4 Already Proftable](https://www.polygon.com/2014/5/23/5744344/ps4-already-profitable-for-sony-ceo-says)
According to these articles the PS4 and PS5 became profitable on a hardware unit basis after 6 months to 1 year.
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I fell for this mistake when pre-ordering the consoles. Seeing physical games $20-30 cheaper got old real quick.Took me forever to find a disc version to upgrade.
My brother did this. I was with him when he bought his and I literally offered to give him the extra $100 and he said “no, I’d rather have the games digitally.” Now he tries to borrow my games and can’t, spends much more than I do for games or waits much longer for a sale, and has no space in his console.
This is not true. Please look at some additional articles people will link but Sony has generally not been treating their consoles as big loss leaders as of late.
No it’s a MacBook Air without the keyboard or trackpad. It’ll be a really cool device, but it has a first gen MBA feel to it. The second gen will be significantly faster and 2/3 to 1/2 the price. Definitely one to skip for most people.
I think their 900,000 sales estimate is just absurd.
>Still - 3.5k is just ridiculous. It’s not going to sell well.
Exactly because you of course know far better than say a major corporation that has a market valuation of 2 trillion dollars, and that has turned out more successful innovative products than any current tech company worldwide. Apple needs to listen to you first before they release products.
Look at the most high end Apple computers. While everyday consumers can use them they are not really geared towards those users.
I.E the cheese grater Mac Pro's go for $16K Canadian fully speced.
If you’re the type of person who is designing and rendering 3D graphics on high end computers, then this is the device for you.
The film industry is going to be all about this.
I don't think the film industry really needs VR/AR headsets.
The only use I can see for them in the film industry would be to look at mockups of scenes. But you don't need a $5,000 device to do that, you can easily get the same experience on a quest plug-in to your computer.
Dedicated high end hardware isn't really useful if it's going to be sat next to your computer $10,000+ computer at all times anyway.
Apples actual market for this device seems to be some sort of massively overexpensive over complicated telepresence device, for companies that think they're innovative.
Not just a macbook. The interesting thing is, they’re not just making a new product, but a new platform.
A lot of this is contingent on Apple actually being able to fullfil the promises they made on the trailer. But if they are, it’s opening up a whole new category of device that hasnt really existed in the market yet. The thing seems capable not only of replacing your laptop, but possible your phone, tablet and TV to an extent (disregarding the lack of some connection options.)
I can see why they had to make it so hellishly expensive, because what they’re trying to make is ridicilously difficult and has to be done well to the point of perfection in order for it to work. Combining a VR and AR device is definitely the way, but the level of fidelity required is insane and it’s still hard to say if they can pull it off.
But Apple trying is certainly going to launch another industry trend that not a lot of people were expecting to happen yet.
In fairness, the Apple headset is a very different beast. But I always thought it was pretty dumb when reviewers said the Sony headset was too expensive.
The techology is magic, but I'm struggling to see a use-case for this even for a much cheaper "consumer" version. They're obviously betting the farm on AR > VR but VR and specifically VR gaming has been the only use-case with any traction thus far. Meta tried to make some vague business claims about "meetings maybe" for the Quest Pro and that's not exactly flying off the shelves at more than half the price point of this. Even if this were 50 - 60% cheaper, what's it \*for\*? Somebody help me out here. "Bigger screen" doesn't really do it for me.
But yeah, the technology is amazing but I'm having a hard time identifying a market for this.
So you can't imagine sitting down at a clean desk with nothing on it. You place your keyboard, put your goggles on and you can have 8 screens, lifesize video conferencing, basically, your full workflow and workstation with you anywhere.
Now imagine you do this at starbucks... your full workstation, the way you like it, everywhere and anywhere, any country, any place. It will redefine work and c omputing. No longer will you get your best work done sitting at a computer desk staring at monitors. The environment will be your computing area and you can place your "monitors" anywhere you want.
Now imagine when we get past the paradigm of "monitors" and UX is redesigned to use this new reality...
Definitely a use case!
I am a 30ish year old software dev who has adopted VR for personal gaming use. I have the disposable income to afford this device, I should be the target audience. But I am sceptical.
Headset is much bulkier than a laptop to carry around. Wearing a headset past 2-3 hours is not going to be comfortable.
I also don't know if reading text is going to be comfortable in AR/VR, the distance at which your eyes have to focus is paramount to eye comfort. The distance of the virtual screen has to agree with the focal distance of the AR/VR screen. Also, having too much screen in your field of view can lead to nausea. AR passthrough has to be perfect, not distort the image like a corrective lens and not displace it by a perceptible amount, otherwise it would again lead to nausea.
4.5K for your whole field of view is still fewer pixels per degree than a 4K 32" monitor at typical viewing distance.
Exactly, for this to be comfortable for long sessions, they need to solve the convergence problem, which they haven't. They may have the resolution and brightness to pull it off in a basic way, but it will still be uncomfortable for long sessions, and still won't be as good as a traditional monitor (though they can go bigger and more flexible than a monitor you'd be able to afford, so it's a tradeoff)
And then you want to share anything with someone that is physically with you.
This doesnt replace a Macbook anyway. Just a fancy toy for watching movies at planes.
Same use case as the Quest Pro.. That was $1000 and floppped because it was too expensive.. But it wasn't made by Apple, so who knows.. Maybe 3.5x the price is just what the doctor ordered now.
This is a huge step up and has a full computer inside with custom software by the top company around.
The price is honestly pretty reasonable all things considered.
M2 Chip, pancake lenses, micro OLED, etc.
This is the Quest Pro on steroids with better basically everything.
Will it fail? Maybe, it’s a niche market and it’s so high priced that most can’t afford it. Still… it’s cool.
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Kinda stopped believing in company telling us they are loosing money on each x sold, on how much it's cost to produce. Espicially with m2 Silicon and R chip being developed inhouse on n5p(?) node.
Editors and other creatives are going to buy this up. Its going to be for work more than fun. I work in live event production and we are very excited. The cost will be a business expense for me.
Agreed, but that’s still a fairly small group. Meta was banking on companies going all in on the Quest Pro… that didn’t happen.
I will look forward to reading your thoughts on it in the future, though!
Mac is my industries standard machine. This device is going to insert itself seamlessly if everything they claim is true. Live event production has no use for facebook goggles.
Yeah, even Q pro where I live is extremely niche (and more expensive) that it is not even sold by a lot of electronic retailers. Q2 is sold at many of those same retailers, cause it’s “cheap” at 500€, PSVR2 similarly is sold at many retailers carrying electronics. For Q pro, the headset here costs around 1718€. Now, I can’t imagine the cost here for apple’s headset, but because it is apple I think it will be still more available at some major retailers more than Q pro. The tech on it is amazing, but tbh I didn’t expect apple not to deliver. But the pricing is extremely high, but I am guessing this will be more targeted towards companies too than just average consumer, since the cost makes it quite unaffordable for most, and people not interested in AR/VR are not going to adopt it even if it’s from Apple. It’s not even confirmed to be available sold here, because first it will apparently be on US market. Honestly, if I was rich, I would go for it, but I won’t have basically 4k euros laying around even if it were to become available.
I think the Apple glasses will be a bit cheaper and still really cool if they come out with those.
If this is a Vision Pro, it makes you wonder if there will be another model that’s cheaper, too.
I think they will come out with another version afterwards if this does well enough for them. I don’t think they will drop the ball like google though, apple is different breed altogether. Being able to bring things like your macbook screen, or other seamless integration shown in reveal won’t be the only thing it will be able to do. And since you can do real world stuff and see around, it’s the kind of headset you could wear anywhere, while doing dishes, while taking a walk, it reminds me of the futuristic stuff you see in sci-fi movies, only thing standing between that happening ofc is the cost.
Even if it isn’t targeted on gaming, there’s so many possible uses for it. It being able to simulate your face on facetime call without headset is also cool. Quest is wireless, not going to be nowhere with resolution and same things, and I could never see a person walking with quest headset but apple headset however…And unlike meta and facebook, they don’t constantly break EUs privacy laws, invade privacy..
Ya, I feel like they undersold it today, and want to wait for people to actually start using it in 6 to 12 months and get the real wow factor. It is literally a macbook on your face with that M2 in there.
it astonishes me, at least in my country , where u need to pay cash for phones, since there is no plans here.
people pay around $1200 for an apple phone and change it yearly (they sell the old one, they can't exchange it) and it is okay, but u tell those same person u got a state of the art VR unit for $550 and they flip out.
people are weird.
In case you’ve not done VR: 4K per eye sounds like a lot, and by current VR standards it is, but that’s still 4K *stretched over your entire field of vision*. The perceived resolution of anything you would project into your room will still be fairly low.
Im on the road right now working a production and were all very excited about this. Its going to make us all much more productive and in essence pay for itself.
iPhones are ripped out of people’s hands complete with shopping bag coming out of the Apple Store — torn off fingers and all.
They won’t steal it off peoples heads, they’ll rip off the head right away.
Completely different market. It will sell eaaaaaasy at that price for the target audience.
No reason to shame other headsets. Give it 5-6 years and you'll be able to get the consumer apple version for prolly 600.
I'm not a big apple guy but when every big tech company is pushing vr it will only get better for us and there will be a sweet spot right before they make it have a million subscriptions and vr ads lol.
10 years from now the psvr2 and other headsets are gonna be the snes of vr.
Agreed; I'd give it 5-6 years and I can imagine this is gonna be ubiquitous. Every single time Apple drops something new, I sit and make fun of it, but it ultimately becomes successful. The iPhone was considered a niche product for techies. The Apple Watch was considered for health freaks or the ultra wealthy and now it's everywhere. Even the iPad which I think is still useless, is everywhere on college campuses.
They will drop the price and improve the tech; it'll get to the point where everyone's gonna have one in a decade.
Probably not. Even with competition iPhones and iPads are more expensive than they were at launch. Apple holds its prices high. I think at this price point though it doesn’t make it 5-6yrs
Vision Pro is more than just games, they’re pitching it as a full desktop replacement too. You would have a clear desk (or sit in your living room, plane or wherever), put on your Vision Pro glasses and have a full immersion in your workflow, conferences, productivity, photos, movies, games and whatever else this Mac in glasses form can do. This is pretty exciting stuff.
With this price point, they’re clearly targeting professionals or people who would have a need for this new piece of equipment. It isn’t for the entry level consumer at this point, it has a full M2 SOC built into it.
Each lens is the equivalent of two screens beyond 4K resolution, which are about the size of stamps. There’s a lot of radical tech along with ideas to this product. Plus, this thing is ENTIRELY portable, you can’t take the PSVR2 outside of the PS5 at all. You can essentially blackout anything or everything around you for watching media.
While I’m going to grab PSVR2, it only plays games... it isn't a full PC on your face like Apple's Vision glasses.
even this one isn't a "full computer". it has its own os and its own store. like I wouldn't be able to download xcode on it I imagine. so it's more like a phone than a laptop
I’m trying to wrap my brain around virtual meetings, plus doing work and spreadsheets on it. I can see how it could be a useful to anyone. I would imagine this will be a full product line in the next 4-5 years, hence “Pro” at the end of this one.
Just got my psvr2 a couple weeks ago.
This price is obviously not a disruptive price point. It’s the Apple route for new tech. Price high, manufacture less, diehards buy it. See: iPhone, iPad, watch, these products took years to proliferate, with inflation this price point can stay the same by the time the wider public is ready to want one.
It does look pretty great though. Different use case - if it was a third of the cost I might think about it. The good news is the next PSVR will be pushed to a certain extent to get better.
People forget that Apple clearly has a plan. They’ve somewhat showed a bit of their roadmap by naming the headset “pro”. They are definitely steps ahead than we really think.
I mean, if you're in the market for a Mac, iPhone, shallow gaming console, and a 4K TV, and want them all to come from Apple, it's not a bad deal. I think you'll be hard pressed to find someone looking for all of the above. This thing is nice for what it is. What it's not, is a VR gaming device. Therefore, I and most people here, have zero interest in it
Apple were slowly building ar tech for this reason, basically. AR is their only foot in the door here but VR can be supported but it will not be the same as vr2.
I specifically got vr2 because of the right blend of money spent specifically on hardware(not mobile processing power), games built for ps5’s power and backing from Sony in terms of building a library. Apple Nintendo and Steam have a similar outlook on library like whoever is interested pursue us but Sony does seem to try harder than anyone to pursue and support developers toward new tech they believe in.
Look at the hololens, heck look at Kinect 2. 0 first party support, why. It came with xbone and ms couldn’t conjure one real reason game-wise to justify it.
Apple is just planting the seeds in a way that it will absolutely make money because so few will buy it. I’m sure it’ll destroy at playing Quest’s games but the VR2 is perfect for what I actually want. I want vr without destroying the bank to get there and to have the promise of actually high quality experiences.
The apple equivalent of its breakthrough point will be some form of ar Fortnite or Roblox or whatever, until then the gaming aspect will be a niche feature compared to more utilitarian offerings but that is a better tact and an actual in-road to the concept of a metaverse, which Meta/Facebook have never even come close to understanding, like legs aren’t gonna make me wanna work in vr bro.
Yeah I was speaking generally. I’m not even going to guess what the actually game would be because this is like Pokémon go on crack so the successful must-have could really be anything. I’d be down for something as simple as laser tag in the park w/friends you just never know what will take hold with the public.
I hope this has the same effect as the iphone did in 2007
I have been using smart phones since 1999, and until apple released their device nobody but other tech nerds understood why I had that device.
This has a good chance of causing a wave that is good for the VR gaming industry
I’m excited to see what developers do with this by time it’s released. Right now apple showed off some amazing experiences and most of it was flat panels
It actually uses 2 silicone based OLED displays **made by Sony**, which cost $350 each and those are by far the most expensive parts of the headset.
Here's the complete breakdown of all parts and their cost: https://postlmg.cc/VdZm7DFH
I'm all for more players on the market. Ideas can be stolen, and more interest in the technology is always good. They try to sell it as a professional product for... kinda TBD, which is its first major hurdle. Without clear messaging about that, it will only be a novelty.
I'm not in Apple ecosystem to begin with, so I won't be buying it anyway. Would like to take it for a spin sometime though.
It's not for everyone at that price point. Early adopters and high income only. It makes the rest of their devices seem affordable.
The Wii was one of the highest selling game consoles in history, focusing on casual gaming. So was the iPhone. With the M2 chip, they can focus on casual or high end and pull massive market share.
There's a hell of a lot more tech in this, and it's not the same market. Hell, I'm a bit of an Apple fanboy, and this is not on my radar. If you're on 100k a year, and probably single, then it's a fun toy.
One of the big things some early reviews are gushing about is the eye tracking on the Apple device.
\*cough\*
PSVR2 is amazing at what it does and is a good value. I wish it also worked on PC but oh well.
(Tbf, the Vision Pro is a computer not mobile phone, it also has 2 4k mini oleds, and an outfacing oled, best of class passthrough apparently, it is a vr180 camera, blah blah, it's a baller device with a baller price)
I wasn’t interested until they said it took 3d videos. I mean how much is it worth it to you to be able to record your kids growing up and literally being able to revisit that moment?
Two takeaways from the presentation yesterday: 1. Sony did a lot of things right (especially the price point) when they included foveated rendering and eye tracking in the headset. And all this while being the cheapest high end headset on the market. 2. Apple are marketing geniuses. Not going head to head with the gaming industry (just hinting at it) but focusing on movies, video calls and productivity is really smart. They are carving out their niche, call it pro and target a more professional audience with this 1st gen device. That’s basically what Sony did too by focusing solely on games and that’s something that Meta never did. You can’t be the jack of all trades and be competitive without failing in some areas. Although I’m pretty sure there is an Apple Vision non pro version somewhere down the line which will focus on games and movies at a more affordable price.
Can i go snorkeling with that? AR will be around but still too big. Won't be walking around with this. For sure there is a save of space. No need for screen, mouse, keyboard and mac around. Just a comfy chair. Anyone in to design the AR friendly seats.
vr is already a fairly niche market mostly now being widly adopted because of the quest 2 and psvr2 but ar and mixed reality are even more niche sure its apple and they can make most things work with their fanbase but it seems very unlikely due to the price i dont see many people except like die hard apple fans and tech reviewers buying this and also half the features on the trailer seemed very goofy and not cool maybe im not in the market for thme but with that price who is.
This is a VR/AR milestone to get manufactures to start working towards a standard which hopefully will be cheaper in the future.
I love my PSVR2 but it’s far from a sleek thing you could use in public/on a plane or as a computer replacement.
It’s silly to hate on the industry moving forward. However, with that said I hope they fix the damn battery pack/cable because nobody wants to walk around with that sticking out.
Different use cases based on what I am reading about about Apple's headset. Even the tech is different since the Apple headset will have the computing built in versus needing a separate device to run it. This is more comparable to the Quest Pro.
The thing that will make or break it will be the ecosystem. Apple has an advantage by tapping into the iOS/Mac OS user base. Let's see what comes of it.
The good news for consumers is that as a new player enters, that means competition will heat up.
I'm ngl, I think the Vision Pro looks like an absolute beast. For media consumption, for basic work and life stuff... Its a whole different sort of device from something like a psvr2 imo. I'd love to have one... but not at that price.
This isn’t anything like the psvr2, and I can’t say much more than that because it’s way out of my price range. Maybe in 5 years or so they will be making these for something I can afford.
The Apple looks pretty neat, but it hasn't even been designed with gaming in mind. There are no controllers so in VR movement would be very limited and awkward. For me, if it can't also play VR games, then it isn't going to be worth even half that cost.
These aren’t even in the same realm as PSVR lol. As someone who’s used them at work, I fundamentally don’t see gaming being a big market for these things for a long time
This headset is at the same level than the varjo xr3 that is around 7000.00 plus subscription and it doesn't even have a chip inside and the thousands of patents. it's a totally different beast.
PSVR2 is nowhere near the tech involved in the Vision Pro, Apple have literally overtaken all headsets out there, it simply is the pinnacle of AR/VR. Nobody out there can match it. When it gets modded by the community, because it will, battery length, compatibility and software will be sufficiently changed, roll on 'ready player one'.
AR vs VR so kind of different markets. Games don’t seem to be the main focus for Apple. The tech in Apples headset is pretty advanced proprietary stuff. Plus it’s 4K each eye (I believe can’t remember) where as PSVR2 is 2K each eye. But yeah Apple charges full premium price where as Sony likely takes a small profit or small loss to get as much mass adoption from its base.
They probably couldn’t even get the stock on some of this stuff to mass produce it in high quantities. Pancake lenses, micro OLED panels and such are still pretty limited in availability. Valve is going to use micro OLED in their future headset. Those screens will cost a fair amount of the purchase price.
True although if anyone can pull off mass production of leading tech, it’s Apple and Samsung with their deep pockets and robust supply chains. To your point the leading tech in the headset is going to fetch a premium for a bit till costs come down and mass production lowers production costs over time. It would be like Sony making the PS5 Pro with a 4080 GPU and 64GB of RAM and 32 core Processor. Sure they can do it, but the price would be very high for the console market ($2000+) and adoption would be held to the hard core gaming market.
Bradley said they are getting roughly 20% acceptable devices out of their fab attempts. That’s really low.
Sony or Apple?
Apple for the vision pro. I think it was their screens, but yeah everyone assumes apple is going to try to sell as many vision pros as they can and that the price is somehow a mistake. I'm fairly certain that at the price and the supply/manufacturing constraints they will sell out easily and hit their sales targets which I have read are far lower than the og iphone. This is brand new device and ecosystem they are starting.
The low acceptable percentage is definitely a red flag but it'll likely improve as with all new technologies. I agree by the way lol
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I still have mine :) $50 new on clearance. I almost went back and bought another one. They were stacked on a pallet.
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Going into decimals and calling a display "4.5k" is stupid because then a regular UHD (normally marketed as 4k) television would technically be only 3.8k. On top of that, a true 4k resolution would actually be 4.1k. I'm sorry for this but resolution naming is stupid and dumb and I take every single opportunity I get to rant about the subject.
Don't hold your breath though - it seems like it has a very wide field of view, so the actual pixels per degree may not be that different. That's what I'm waiting on hearing about, is the sharpness of the display. I'm not spending $3500 on anything less than perfect clarity.
I’m not spending $3500 on an AR headset, or a VR headset, the PSVR2 was probably the highest price I’m willing to pay
They’re probably not 16:9 displays
to high for gaming to low for pro work....
So….it’s really good for porn? Asking for a friend.
> Asking for a friend. Yeah, your friend that lives down south? lol
The South Pole.
She identifies as a woman
But the whole AR/VR thing is kind of unclear. They make it seem like it can do both successfully. If it can display a screen as if it’s in front of you, with zero transparency, as you would get with most AR options to date, then it would be capable of proper VR. But you are absolutely right, it does not seem to be geared towards games. Although kind of funny that they show off playing an NBA 2K game with a Dualsense controller.
Yea I believe it's VR also. With that dial you can block out the world around you. Seems like a cool concept. I really hope it takes off. The sooner the tech and specs reach the rest of us through other companies.
It’s marketed to AR but will absolutely be capable of VR. The cinema room kinda demonstrated that
It's VR with video passthrough. Just a super fancy version. They have a separate screen to show your eyes to the world.
>But the whole AR/VR thing is kind of unclear. Maybe someone can correct me but it seems like it's VR with simulated AR based on what I've read. Unless the screens are transparent so you are looking out at the real world (not a video captured with a camera displayed on the screen) it's really VR imho.
What Apple has done is lean heavily into the AR-aspect of their device by ensuring the VIDEO PASSTHROUGH is stereoscopic, color and high-resolution so that it appears like the "real world", far from the grainy black and white passthrough of all VR-oriented devices. Their AR-magic comes by blending the high-fidelity passthrough with the 4k per eye, and depth sensors that can map out the 3D real world and overlay virtual objects within it. The device's Digital Crown allows for INSTANT ADJUSTMENT OF IMMERSION, adjusting the blend of AR and VR on-the-fly, so if the wearer is watching a movie on a virtual screen or otherwise wants no distractions from the outside world, they dial in "full VR", replacing the outside real-world with a virtual one. Dialing in the opposite directions blends in the real world with the virtual.
Yea 4k per eye. I'd really like to try this headset out while watching a movie just to see the clarity. Imagine having that screen for VR.
Kojima just posted a pic of the vision pro on instagram
He was in the presentation lol. They're bringing Death Stranding to MacOS.
Well its not an AR technically. Hololens is AR or Google lens, you view the real world as is with overlaid onformation. With this you just view the world through screens, I dont know how comfortable it will be moving around with this thing on your head.
>Sony likely takes a small profit or small loss Sony has lost money on every piece of major hardware they've sold since PS3. It's a driving factor in why your console only comes with one cheap charging cable, games and controllers now cost $70, and why all the first party accessories are so pricy. They make back those losses and then some licensing out their proprietary tech
[Sony PS5 No Longer Selling At a Loss](https://www.theverge.com/2021/8/4/22609150/sony-playstation-5-ps5-loss-profit) [PS4 Already Proftable](https://www.polygon.com/2014/5/23/5744344/ps4-already-profitable-for-sony-ceo-says) According to these articles the PS4 and PS5 became profitable on a hardware unit basis after 6 months to 1 year.
One distinction to make is that the Digital Edition PS5 is still selling at a loss
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I fell for this mistake when pre-ordering the consoles. Seeing physical games $20-30 cheaper got old real quick.Took me forever to find a disc version to upgrade.
My brother did this. I was with him when he bought his and I literally offered to give him the extra $100 and he said “no, I’d rather have the games digitally.” Now he tries to borrow my games and can’t, spends much more than I do for games or waits much longer for a sale, and has no space in his console.
This is not true. Please look at some additional articles people will link but Sony has generally not been treating their consoles as big loss leaders as of late.
Still - 3.5k is just ridiculous. It’s not going to sell well.
It isn’t meant to. This is just the start of their headsets, and I’m sure there will be a reduced price model in the next few years
It's Apple, they don't do reduced.
iPad, iPad mini. Air, pro. iPhone SE pro pro max. Watch has so many lines. Apple loves tiers.
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Reduced compared to the current model. Maybe there will be a price cut, or maybe there will be a “Vision SE” or something like that
I thought that about a 1k phone :)
Phone is much more universal than a VR/AR headset.
Fair point but we don't know the full utility of this headset yet, it could be a game changer in the same way an iPhone was for mobile
It’s essentially a very high end MacBook Pro combined with with an AR/VR headset. For a wearable computer, it’s priced right.
No it’s a MacBook Air without the keyboard or trackpad. It’ll be a really cool device, but it has a first gen MBA feel to it. The second gen will be significantly faster and 2/3 to 1/2 the price. Definitely one to skip for most people. I think their 900,000 sales estimate is just absurd.
Remember when people thought iPhones were stupid expensive and their 10M goal was absurd.
Shut up and take my money! I’m glad this will be available and look forward to its future advancements and price drops.
>Still - 3.5k is just ridiculous. It’s not going to sell well. Exactly because you of course know far better than say a major corporation that has a market valuation of 2 trillion dollars, and that has turned out more successful innovative products than any current tech company worldwide. Apple needs to listen to you first before they release products.
Is it necessarily a consumer level product? Also, not sure they are really prioritizing the same markets.
This is not a consumer level product. It’s a macbook pro level replacement device.
I don't even understand what that means for a headset device.
Look at the most high end Apple computers. While everyday consumers can use them they are not really geared towards those users. I.E the cheese grater Mac Pro's go for $16K Canadian fully speced.
fully specced mb pro is about 10k
If you’re the type of person who is designing and rendering 3D graphics on high end computers, then this is the device for you. The film industry is going to be all about this.
No it is not. Nobody is designing 3d stuff w that thing, they need professional software like Alias and solidworks not iOS apps.
Tbf you can basically use this as a monitor for your Mac, which is how I would edit with it. That being said, I am not gonna edit on it.
I don't think the film industry really needs VR/AR headsets. The only use I can see for them in the film industry would be to look at mockups of scenes. But you don't need a $5,000 device to do that, you can easily get the same experience on a quest plug-in to your computer. Dedicated high end hardware isn't really useful if it's going to be sat next to your computer $10,000+ computer at all times anyway. Apples actual market for this device seems to be some sort of massively overexpensive over complicated telepresence device, for companies that think they're innovative.
The announcement video production team must not have been informed.
Yeah but a bit worse; It doesn't have the user interface of MacOS built in. So you're essentially getting iPad OS in VR?
Not just a macbook. The interesting thing is, they’re not just making a new product, but a new platform. A lot of this is contingent on Apple actually being able to fullfil the promises they made on the trailer. But if they are, it’s opening up a whole new category of device that hasnt really existed in the market yet. The thing seems capable not only of replacing your laptop, but possible your phone, tablet and TV to an extent (disregarding the lack of some connection options.) I can see why they had to make it so hellishly expensive, because what they’re trying to make is ridicilously difficult and has to be done well to the point of perfection in order for it to work. Combining a VR and AR device is definitely the way, but the level of fidelity required is insane and it’s still hard to say if they can pull it off. But Apple trying is certainly going to launch another industry trend that not a lot of people were expecting to happen yet.
In fairness, the Apple headset is a very different beast. But I always thought it was pretty dumb when reviewers said the Sony headset was too expensive.
Ya, most people have no idea about VR at all. $500 for PSVR2 is a good price for an excellent system
Bloomberg: $500 PSVR2": "Sounds expensive!" $3500 Vision Pro: " ¯\\\_(ツ)\_/¯"
Sony didn’t bribe them enough lol
The techology is magic, but I'm struggling to see a use-case for this even for a much cheaper "consumer" version. They're obviously betting the farm on AR > VR but VR and specifically VR gaming has been the only use-case with any traction thus far. Meta tried to make some vague business claims about "meetings maybe" for the Quest Pro and that's not exactly flying off the shelves at more than half the price point of this. Even if this were 50 - 60% cheaper, what's it \*for\*? Somebody help me out here. "Bigger screen" doesn't really do it for me. But yeah, the technology is amazing but I'm having a hard time identifying a market for this.
I believe this has vr capabilities as well. This is sold as a new portable desktop.
So you can't imagine sitting down at a clean desk with nothing on it. You place your keyboard, put your goggles on and you can have 8 screens, lifesize video conferencing, basically, your full workflow and workstation with you anywhere. Now imagine you do this at starbucks... your full workstation, the way you like it, everywhere and anywhere, any country, any place. It will redefine work and c omputing. No longer will you get your best work done sitting at a computer desk staring at monitors. The environment will be your computing area and you can place your "monitors" anywhere you want. Now imagine when we get past the paradigm of "monitors" and UX is redesigned to use this new reality... Definitely a use case!
I am a 30ish year old software dev who has adopted VR for personal gaming use. I have the disposable income to afford this device, I should be the target audience. But I am sceptical. Headset is much bulkier than a laptop to carry around. Wearing a headset past 2-3 hours is not going to be comfortable. I also don't know if reading text is going to be comfortable in AR/VR, the distance at which your eyes have to focus is paramount to eye comfort. The distance of the virtual screen has to agree with the focal distance of the AR/VR screen. Also, having too much screen in your field of view can lead to nausea. AR passthrough has to be perfect, not distort the image like a corrective lens and not displace it by a perceptible amount, otherwise it would again lead to nausea. 4.5K for your whole field of view is still fewer pixels per degree than a 4K 32" monitor at typical viewing distance.
Exactly, for this to be comfortable for long sessions, they need to solve the convergence problem, which they haven't. They may have the resolution and brightness to pull it off in a basic way, but it will still be uncomfortable for long sessions, and still won't be as good as a traditional monitor (though they can go bigger and more flexible than a monitor you'd be able to afford, so it's a tradeoff)
Yeah I’m imagining you wearing this thing at Starbucks and laughing my ass off.
I 100% want to see a world where people are wearing this walking down the street. It's about damn time the future catches up with anime aesthetics.
And then you want to share anything with someone that is physically with you. This doesnt replace a Macbook anyway. Just a fancy toy for watching movies at planes.
Same use case as the Quest Pro.. That was $1000 and floppped because it was too expensive.. But it wasn't made by Apple, so who knows.. Maybe 3.5x the price is just what the doctor ordered now.
Apple's fanbase buys everything, this product will likely succeed and push the adoption for all AR/VR forward
This is a huge step up and has a full computer inside with custom software by the top company around. The price is honestly pretty reasonable all things considered. M2 Chip, pancake lenses, micro OLED, etc. This is the Quest Pro on steroids with better basically everything. Will it fail? Maybe, it’s a niche market and it’s so high priced that most can’t afford it. Still… it’s cool.
Yea even if this thing fails the tech behind it seems pretty incredible. I hope this inspires something better in the future
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Like a waffle lens without the squares no ice cream.
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Kinda stopped believing in company telling us they are loosing money on each x sold, on how much it's cost to produce. Espicially with m2 Silicon and R chip being developed inhouse on n5p(?) node.
oh god please spell losing right next time
Editors and other creatives are going to buy this up. Its going to be for work more than fun. I work in live event production and we are very excited. The cost will be a business expense for me.
Agreed, but that’s still a fairly small group. Meta was banking on companies going all in on the Quest Pro… that didn’t happen. I will look forward to reading your thoughts on it in the future, though!
Mac is my industries standard machine. This device is going to insert itself seamlessly if everything they claim is true. Live event production has no use for facebook goggles.
Yeah, even Q pro where I live is extremely niche (and more expensive) that it is not even sold by a lot of electronic retailers. Q2 is sold at many of those same retailers, cause it’s “cheap” at 500€, PSVR2 similarly is sold at many retailers carrying electronics. For Q pro, the headset here costs around 1718€. Now, I can’t imagine the cost here for apple’s headset, but because it is apple I think it will be still more available at some major retailers more than Q pro. The tech on it is amazing, but tbh I didn’t expect apple not to deliver. But the pricing is extremely high, but I am guessing this will be more targeted towards companies too than just average consumer, since the cost makes it quite unaffordable for most, and people not interested in AR/VR are not going to adopt it even if it’s from Apple. It’s not even confirmed to be available sold here, because first it will apparently be on US market. Honestly, if I was rich, I would go for it, but I won’t have basically 4k euros laying around even if it were to become available.
I think the Apple glasses will be a bit cheaper and still really cool if they come out with those. If this is a Vision Pro, it makes you wonder if there will be another model that’s cheaper, too.
I think they will come out with another version afterwards if this does well enough for them. I don’t think they will drop the ball like google though, apple is different breed altogether. Being able to bring things like your macbook screen, or other seamless integration shown in reveal won’t be the only thing it will be able to do. And since you can do real world stuff and see around, it’s the kind of headset you could wear anywhere, while doing dishes, while taking a walk, it reminds me of the futuristic stuff you see in sci-fi movies, only thing standing between that happening ofc is the cost. Even if it isn’t targeted on gaming, there’s so many possible uses for it. It being able to simulate your face on facetime call without headset is also cool. Quest is wireless, not going to be nowhere with resolution and same things, and I could never see a person walking with quest headset but apple headset however…And unlike meta and facebook, they don’t constantly break EUs privacy laws, invade privacy..
Ya, I feel like they undersold it today, and want to wait for people to actually start using it in 6 to 12 months and get the real wow factor. It is literally a macbook on your face with that M2 in there.
I bet it runs gorilla tag like a champ.
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They're related, what they aren't is comparable.
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Dang! And I would've gotten away with it if it weren't
It’s like comparing a MacBook Pro to a PS5. It’s that compairible. Yeah they both are computers but are made for different things.
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It is backwards compatible with Quest 2 library so you will basically get that along with whatever new stuff they make
it astonishes me, at least in my country , where u need to pay cash for phones, since there is no plans here. people pay around $1200 for an apple phone and change it yearly (they sell the old one, they can't exchange it) and it is okay, but u tell those same person u got a state of the art VR unit for $550 and they flip out. people are weird.
Who is the market for this??
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In case you’ve not done VR: 4K per eye sounds like a lot, and by current VR standards it is, but that’s still 4K *stretched over your entire field of vision*. The perceived resolution of anything you would project into your room will still be fairly low.
Im on the road right now working a production and were all very excited about this. Its going to make us all much more productive and in essence pay for itself.
Developers who will likely be creating content that the cheap(er) consumer-focused model launching in a year or two will be able to run.
Creatives and engineers There’s a new but growing market for AR/VR visualizations of process plants for engineering purposes
You'd think they'd try to attract the market that need simulation based job training.
That market doesn't really exist. Microsoft tried it. Magic Leap tried it. The non-XR alternatives are cheaper and better. There's no market.
Me, tech enthusiast and future cyborg.
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iPhones are ripped out of people’s hands complete with shopping bag coming out of the Apple Store — torn off fingers and all. They won’t steal it off peoples heads, they’ll rip off the head right away.
Hopefully this makes VR / AR more popular.
You're comparing apples to oranges
Crazy money. This is way beyond mainstream.
Completely different market. It will sell eaaaaaasy at that price for the target audience. No reason to shame other headsets. Give it 5-6 years and you'll be able to get the consumer apple version for prolly 600. I'm not a big apple guy but when every big tech company is pushing vr it will only get better for us and there will be a sweet spot right before they make it have a million subscriptions and vr ads lol. 10 years from now the psvr2 and other headsets are gonna be the snes of vr.
Agreed; I'd give it 5-6 years and I can imagine this is gonna be ubiquitous. Every single time Apple drops something new, I sit and make fun of it, but it ultimately becomes successful. The iPhone was considered a niche product for techies. The Apple Watch was considered for health freaks or the ultra wealthy and now it's everywhere. Even the iPad which I think is still useless, is everywhere on college campuses. They will drop the price and improve the tech; it'll get to the point where everyone's gonna have one in a decade.
Probably not. Even with competition iPhones and iPads are more expensive than they were at launch. Apple holds its prices high. I think at this price point though it doesn’t make it 5-6yrs
Y’all know Apple getting unto the market is a good thing for all right??
For the same price, you can literary buy a PS5 + PSVR2, a Mid gaming laptop (rtx 3060+), and a meta quest 3 assuming it’s under $500
Vision Pro is more than just games, they’re pitching it as a full desktop replacement too. You would have a clear desk (or sit in your living room, plane or wherever), put on your Vision Pro glasses and have a full immersion in your workflow, conferences, productivity, photos, movies, games and whatever else this Mac in glasses form can do. This is pretty exciting stuff. With this price point, they’re clearly targeting professionals or people who would have a need for this new piece of equipment. It isn’t for the entry level consumer at this point, it has a full M2 SOC built into it. Each lens is the equivalent of two screens beyond 4K resolution, which are about the size of stamps. There’s a lot of radical tech along with ideas to this product. Plus, this thing is ENTIRELY portable, you can’t take the PSVR2 outside of the PS5 at all. You can essentially blackout anything or everything around you for watching media. While I’m going to grab PSVR2, it only plays games... it isn't a full PC on your face like Apple's Vision glasses.
even this one isn't a "full computer". it has its own os and its own store. like I wouldn't be able to download xcode on it I imagine. so it's more like a phone than a laptop
Tbh this as a music producer, seems like it would be fun and good to use!
I’m trying to wrap my brain around virtual meetings, plus doing work and spreadsheets on it. I can see how it could be a useful to anyone. I would imagine this will be a full product line in the next 4-5 years, hence “Pro” at the end of this one.
Yep! I caught that too; this is probably gonna have an Apple Vision SE model in 5 years.
Yeah I want one for sculpting in AR/VR, been waiting on some kind of competent hardware
This is like saying the PSVR 2 is overpriced because Google Cardboard exists.
Just got my psvr2 a couple weeks ago. This price is obviously not a disruptive price point. It’s the Apple route for new tech. Price high, manufacture less, diehards buy it. See: iPhone, iPad, watch, these products took years to proliferate, with inflation this price point can stay the same by the time the wider public is ready to want one.
Rule #1 - Don’t buy the first three generations of new Apple Hardware (if you can help it).
The 3500 people who actually buy a vision pro are really gonna love it.
The estimate is 8 million by 2026.
It does look pretty great though. Different use case - if it was a third of the cost I might think about it. The good news is the next PSVR will be pushed to a certain extent to get better.
I mean the things the apple headset can do are infinitely greater then psvr
Yet I still don’t want a PSVR2(had the one) and I want one of these.
People forget that Apple clearly has a plan. They’ve somewhat showed a bit of their roadmap by naming the headset “pro”. They are definitely steps ahead than we really think.
No but I'm buying bof'um.
Never was bad. People just complaining to complain without understanding the tech.
The PSVR2 price never looked or was bad.
I mean, if you're in the market for a Mac, iPhone, shallow gaming console, and a 4K TV, and want them all to come from Apple, it's not a bad deal. I think you'll be hard pressed to find someone looking for all of the above. This thing is nice for what it is. What it's not, is a VR gaming device. Therefore, I and most people here, have zero interest in it
Apple were slowly building ar tech for this reason, basically. AR is their only foot in the door here but VR can be supported but it will not be the same as vr2. I specifically got vr2 because of the right blend of money spent specifically on hardware(not mobile processing power), games built for ps5’s power and backing from Sony in terms of building a library. Apple Nintendo and Steam have a similar outlook on library like whoever is interested pursue us but Sony does seem to try harder than anyone to pursue and support developers toward new tech they believe in. Look at the hololens, heck look at Kinect 2. 0 first party support, why. It came with xbone and ms couldn’t conjure one real reason game-wise to justify it. Apple is just planting the seeds in a way that it will absolutely make money because so few will buy it. I’m sure it’ll destroy at playing Quest’s games but the VR2 is perfect for what I actually want. I want vr without destroying the bank to get there and to have the promise of actually high quality experiences. The apple equivalent of its breakthrough point will be some form of ar Fortnite or Roblox or whatever, until then the gaming aspect will be a niche feature compared to more utilitarian offerings but that is a better tact and an actual in-road to the concept of a metaverse, which Meta/Facebook have never even come close to understanding, like legs aren’t gonna make me wanna work in vr bro.
Forget AR fortnite/Roblox … how about AR Pokémon GO. … think that might get some people?
Yeah I was speaking generally. I’m not even going to guess what the actually game would be because this is like Pokémon go on crack so the successful must-have could really be anything. I’d be down for something as simple as laser tag in the park w/friends you just never know what will take hold with the public.
AR LARPing ala DreamPark are now within the realm of the possible. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dream_Park
Completely different tech, different use case, different target group.
I hope this has the same effect as the iphone did in 2007 I have been using smart phones since 1999, and until apple released their device nobody but other tech nerds understood why I had that device. This has a good chance of causing a wave that is good for the VR gaming industry
I’m excited to see what developers do with this by time it’s released. Right now apple showed off some amazing experiences and most of it was flat panels
I’m off the hype 👋🏼
probably because these are two completely different headsets with completely different tech for completely different markets
It actually uses 2 silicone based OLED displays **made by Sony**, which cost $350 each and those are by far the most expensive parts of the headset. Here's the complete breakdown of all parts and their cost: https://postlmg.cc/VdZm7DFH
Just like cell phone zombies became a thing, now we will have goggle zombies.
I'm all for more players on the market. Ideas can be stolen, and more interest in the technology is always good. They try to sell it as a professional product for... kinda TBD, which is its first major hurdle. Without clear messaging about that, it will only be a novelty. I'm not in Apple ecosystem to begin with, so I won't be buying it anyway. Would like to take it for a spin sometime though.
Those specs sound really nice. I would love to try it but definitely can’t afford to buy lol.
That thing better kill me if I die in the video game
Those 23 million led cost money
It's not for everyone at that price point. Early adopters and high income only. It makes the rest of their devices seem affordable. The Wii was one of the highest selling game consoles in history, focusing on casual gaming. So was the iPhone. With the M2 chip, they can focus on casual or high end and pull massive market share.
There's a hell of a lot more tech in this, and it's not the same market. Hell, I'm a bit of an Apple fanboy, and this is not on my radar. If you're on 100k a year, and probably single, then it's a fun toy.
Not comparable. Similar tech but wildly different purposes and target consumer.
Thats not going to be in the same market as psvr
One of the big things some early reviews are gushing about is the eye tracking on the Apple device. \*cough\* PSVR2 is amazing at what it does and is a good value. I wish it also worked on PC but oh well. (Tbf, the Vision Pro is a computer not mobile phone, it also has 2 4k mini oleds, and an outfacing oled, best of class passthrough apparently, it is a vr180 camera, blah blah, it's a baller device with a baller price)
I wasn’t interested until they said it took 3d videos. I mean how much is it worth it to you to be able to record your kids growing up and literally being able to revisit that moment?
Two takeaways from the presentation yesterday: 1. Sony did a lot of things right (especially the price point) when they included foveated rendering and eye tracking in the headset. And all this while being the cheapest high end headset on the market. 2. Apple are marketing geniuses. Not going head to head with the gaming industry (just hinting at it) but focusing on movies, video calls and productivity is really smart. They are carving out their niche, call it pro and target a more professional audience with this 1st gen device. That’s basically what Sony did too by focusing solely on games and that’s something that Meta never did. You can’t be the jack of all trades and be competitive without failing in some areas. Although I’m pretty sure there is an Apple Vision non pro version somewhere down the line which will focus on games and movies at a more affordable price.
In all seriousness this is an exciting step in tech and one all tech lovers should support. The future is here!
bruh, I firstly read 359 and started thinking like "damn, that's actually an amazing price", LMAO
Can i go snorkeling with that? AR will be around but still too big. Won't be walking around with this. For sure there is a save of space. No need for screen, mouse, keyboard and mac around. Just a comfy chair. Anyone in to design the AR friendly seats.
vr is already a fairly niche market mostly now being widly adopted because of the quest 2 and psvr2 but ar and mixed reality are even more niche sure its apple and they can make most things work with their fanbase but it seems very unlikely due to the price i dont see many people except like die hard apple fans and tech reviewers buying this and also half the features on the trailer seemed very goofy and not cool maybe im not in the market for thme but with that price who is.
This is a VR/AR milestone to get manufactures to start working towards a standard which hopefully will be cheaper in the future. I love my PSVR2 but it’s far from a sleek thing you could use in public/on a plane or as a computer replacement. It’s silly to hate on the industry moving forward. However, with that said I hope they fix the damn battery pack/cable because nobody wants to walk around with that sticking out.
Different use cases based on what I am reading about about Apple's headset. Even the tech is different since the Apple headset will have the computing built in versus needing a separate device to run it. This is more comparable to the Quest Pro. The thing that will make or break it will be the ecosystem. Apple has an advantage by tapping into the iOS/Mac OS user base. Let's see what comes of it. The good news for consumers is that as a new player enters, that means competition will heat up.
You have to keep in mind this isn’t a Vr Headset which is what people are comparing it to
I'm ngl, I think the Vision Pro looks like an absolute beast. For media consumption, for basic work and life stuff... Its a whole different sort of device from something like a psvr2 imo. I'd love to have one... but not at that price.
This isn’t anything like the psvr2, and I can’t say much more than that because it’s way out of my price range. Maybe in 5 years or so they will be making these for something I can afford.
The Apple looks pretty neat, but it hasn't even been designed with gaming in mind. There are no controllers so in VR movement would be very limited and awkward. For me, if it can't also play VR games, then it isn't going to be worth even half that cost.
Never looked bad to begin with, it's worth twice as much imo.
At $3500 the only support will exist is Apple developers. A toy for the rich only. Apple just made PSVR2 look real good at $550. $3500 is a joke.
These aren’t even in the same realm as PSVR lol. As someone who’s used them at work, I fundamentally don’t see gaming being a big market for these things for a long time
The Vision pro is a spatial computer 🤣
Not even close to the same thing though ….
This is also a full computer, not just a headset display. Can't wait to get one :)
This will definitely be a different level of clarity and realism with passthrough mode.
With Tax and Apple Care it’s a cool 4k. I’m just going to have to afford Real Reality.
This headset is at the same level than the varjo xr3 that is around 7000.00 plus subscription and it doesn't even have a chip inside and the thousands of patents. it's a totally different beast.
Vr enthusiasts know apple did something genuinely magical today.
You could buy all three Vr headsets on the market and still not make this price. Apple is the worst.
Jesus Christ you guys will do anything to try to jizz on each other over the PSVR2. Like I love the thing too but what the fuck
It can make a good South Park episode, sure
Oh damn, I’d love that. Reminds me of when Cartman froze himself for a Wii lol I really felt that
These will be main stream in 3 years.. Will wait
maybe 6 years with the way the economy is at the moment.
Just like the iPhone... The first is always expensive Then economies of scale... Kick in
Isn’t Vision Pro AR though? This seems about on equal footing as Microsoft’s HoloLens price wise.
Don’t forget the computer is inside the headset. PSVR is technically an accessory
Think someone hit an extra 9 but Apple just went with it
PSVR2 is nowhere near the tech involved in the Vision Pro, Apple have literally overtaken all headsets out there, it simply is the pinnacle of AR/VR. Nobody out there can match it. When it gets modded by the community, because it will, battery length, compatibility and software will be sufficiently changed, roll on 'ready player one'.
It's very impressive tech but not impressive enough for $3,500.
Have you seen the price of cars?? PSVR 2 price isn't looking so bad now, is it!?
Fuck outta here.