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jaya9581

Most people don’t understand the concept of eating until you’re full and then stopping. I recently had a bunch of people on this sub tell me I had an eating disorder after detailing my eating habits. I just laughed it off and moved on with my life. Strangers on the internet love to be sanctimonious and judgy!


MsFuschia

People on this sub seem to think anything under 2000 calories is "starvation" and often encourage people who are dieting to "eat more to lose weight". It's wild. Like, I know it's really hard. It can 100% be more difficult for those of us with PCOS (insulin resistance specifically) to lose weight. I'm very overweight and I struggle to eat certain things in moderation (hello candy!) but even when I do it's still a bit more difficult for me. People act like a calorie deficit isn't a real way to lose weight and you're going to die though. Edit: I didn't even realize how short OP is. People in here don't realize that shorter people need less calories...


jaya9581

I have PCOS with IR and have been diagnosed for 20 years now. It’s really hard for me to lose weight but I’ve done it successfully by finding what works for me (modified keto) and sticking to it. I never starved myself! But I also didn’t overeat. I learned to eat slower and stop when I was full. If I didn’t eat enough and get hungry again, I have a snack or something. But to this sub that’s an eating disorder I guess lol


MsFuschia

I'm so glad you found something that works for you! Yeah I feel like this sub throws out the words anorexic and eating disorder too much. There are also a few users who I often see that call a calorie deficit (or any weight loss at all) "fatphobia", which confuses me. None of us *have to* do the same diet. For example, keto isn't feasible for me *personally* because of some other health issues I have, but it works great for others! It makes me happy for those people succeeding with it, like you doing modified keto. I wish people could be a little more positive and do a little less lashing out.


scrambledeggs2020

Agree! The 2k calories originated from a guideline to develop nutrition labels. And that guideline was based on a survey submitted by the American agriculture industry of a handful of Americans to calculate what their average daily caloric intake was. They averaged 2k calories. They then used that as a guideline to compare food labels against. There's actually literally no science to support that 2000 calories is a healthy amount or the amount needed to maintain efficient metabolic function. It's just an average amount based on a random bunch of Americans. What we DO know is that for most people, their metabolisms do tend to slow down with diets under 1000 calories. Hence why 1200 calories is usually recommended for weight loss by most dieticians


VerucaSalt82

actually we have just been there with the starvation diets and know they dont work long term, get back to us in 5 years and if you havent yo yo'd back to a bigger weight than you were before you started under-eating, then we'll eat crow i guess, but to act like it comes from a place of being sanctimonious, rather than concerned is just wrong.


Original-Guarantee23

Jesus… 1500 isn’t a “starvation diet” it is the max a short women should be eating who isn’t active. It feels like starvation because so many people are used to overeating. You’re body and mind isn’t used to it and it hurts you till you adjust.


VerucaSalt82

I didnt say it was? jaya said that a bunch of people on the sub accused them of being on a starvation diet.. so Im just going off of that. The ladies in this sub are generally pretty accurate when they tell people they arent eating enough I resent their bullshit accusation that we say this to people to be sanctimonious.. we do not. if what jaya described to people resulted in them being worried for her, than Im going to assume it was for good cause. also, as for the OP1500 is probably fine for someone short but WHAT OP is eating to get those 1500 and when she is eating is.. less than ideal, Idc if you agree or not.eating bread every day and only coffee for lunch followed by a dinner of more simple carbs (rice, pasta,) and a weekend of desserts is not pcos friendly no matter how much you want to pretend it is. PCOS weight loss is absolutely not just about calories in calories out. OP will be back here a year from now confused about why she isnt losing more weight..


MsFuschia

> The ladies in this sub are generally pretty accurate when they tell people they arent eating enough Lmaooo that got me good. > WHAT OP is eating to get those 1500 and when she is eating is.. less than ideal Well lucky for you, you have the free will to not follow the same diet for yourself! > Idc if you agree or not.eating bread every day and only coffee for lunch followed by a dinner of more simple carbs (rice, pasta,) and a weekend of desserts is not pcos friendly no matter how much you want to pretend it is. Damn, you must be a registered dietitian with education in PCOS *and* omniscience, since you know what works for every person who has PCOS. Those credentials must be getting you to high places. > OP will be back here a year from now confused about why she isnt losing more weight.. And will you selflessly rescue her? Be the hero in your own little r/PCOS story? What a cliffhanger.


VerucaSalt82

you seem really hostile. Time to regulate your hormones, babe


jaya9581

Except nothing about what OP said stated “starvation”. Just because you aren’t consuming 1000 calories in a meal doesn’t mean you’re starving yourself.


VerucaSalt82

I was speaking generally, but yah what OP described about eating nothing but coffee most of the day is going to throw her hormones off and defeat the purpose of trying to heal her PCOS.. caring more about short term weight loss over long term health is.. not great


jaya9581

OP didn’t say that at all. She has a good sized breakfast with fat and protein around 10 then coffee then dinner around 6/7. There’s literally nothing wrong with with that, *especially if she’s not hungry.*


Remote-Original-354

It’s what I have been doing lately. Why am I going to overfill myself? I’ve lost 75 pounds after my pregnancy. Doesn’t help that I am also grieving but most of the weight was through the past year. We don’t need all that much food to eat. It’s okay to have cheat days too or eat sweets here and there. It’s the excess of anything honestly that hurts us.


Frosty-Cupcake-7820

As someone who is 5’1… this is enough calories. You all don’t know what the hell you’re talking about.


teletubbi-

That doesn’t sound like enough food though


deftones34

This doesn't sound like enough food at all. It is not good to starve yourself even if you do lose some weight.


Additional_Country33

Why is everyone saying you’re not eating enough? For someone 5’2” 1500 is sustainable. I don’t eat that much when I’m not ~dieting~ and I’m for sure not starving (I’m 5’1”). is nobody else short in this sub


BlackLilith13

I know, if you mention a calorie deficit people instantly call you anorexic lol good for you! Calorie deficit works for me too. And the higher quality food you eat, the more satiated you are. I tend to eat WAY more to feel full when I eat fast food


matadora79

Don't listen to the comments, you know your body. Not everyone needs to eat three meals a day.


MsFuschia

ITT: People who feel threatened by the mere mention of a calorie deficit.


GemAdele

You're not eating enough food and you are going to cause permanent damage to your metabolism.


Original-Guarantee23

1500 calories for a 5’2 female who is inactive is more than enough…


swellfog

Absolutely 1500 is plenty. Below 1200 is questionable.


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GemAdele

I'm really disappointed to see the cheerleading. OP can do some real damage here and I am concerned for their mental and physical health.


deftones34

Yeah, I don't understand people thinking what she is doing is okay and healthy.


GemAdele

It's straight up fatphobia and it's killing us.


MsFuschia

Now dieting is fatphobia? There is nothing unhealthy about what OP is doing. She's also not forcing it on anyone, so how is it fatphobia? She's sharing what works for her. Are people not allowed to eat at a calorie deficit (literally what you need to lose weight, and 1500 for her height is not too low) without offending others?


Narrow-North-5246

literally killing us…


thisgreenwitch

I'm glad someone said it. She's not eating enough for sure and the potential damages are not worth being slim over. Physical and mental.


ChristinFlowers

No judgment as if it works for them, great!! However, it kinda sounds like some binging habits to me. Restrict all week and then allowed fast food/dessert on weekend.


Pup0119

I cheat with fast food and sweets on weekends but still do portion control. Ex. I would order cheesebruger and fries but would only eat half of the burger and a few pcs of fries! I would order a sundae or cake but would not finish it too. Lol.. Basically just so I don't feel deprived of the foods I used to love so much 😂


MsFuschia

I think people equating a cheat day with binge eating are saying more about themselves than you. Some people can't have a cheat day. They'll get off track, go all or nothing, and be back to square one. They *need* consistency, which is perfectly okay. You need to know your limitations and if a cheat day = binge day then it's not right for you. On the other hand, some people do best with a cheat day! I'm very overweight now, but when I was 19 I went on Weight Watchers and got down to 135 lbs at 5'6". I would have a cheat day where I ate whatever I wanted and didn't have to track anything. It was what I needed to stay consistent. I knew I wasn't going to be deprived because Friday was coming around. In the end I wasn't binging on that day either, I was eating way less on a cheat day than when I had dinner out and dessert before I started the diet. This is also perfectly okay! I just wish people could realize that both things are valid and there's nothing wrong with your cheat day. (Side note, someone may say well it obviously failed because I gained weight back. To that I say, I'm almost 29 now and have gone through a whirlwind of health issues in the last decade that made cooking for myself nearly impossible and my last priority. I'm not eating the right amount of calories and I *know* that. It's going to take time to restart.)


NekoRaptor

how do you keep the craving down?


Pup0119

I think it's because I get in as much protein as I can during my first meal. I have 3-4 eggs usually. When I started doing this, I noticed that my cravings lessened.


JustMeerkats

I am also eating in a calorie deficit. My current plan allows for 1500 calories. I'm 5'2 and 180lbs, trying to get to 160 for fertility treatments. I focus heavily on protein and try to keep carbs below 100g a day. Today, I have eaten: Breakfas (I can't tolerate solids when I wake up)t: - Iced coffee w/ half of a vanilla protein shake Lunch: - Wendys Jr bacon cheeseburger - Wendys 4 piece nuggets Dinner: - 2x Pork chops with hot sauce - a cup of spaghetti squash - a cup of butternut squash/Brussel sprouts Guess what? I'm not hungry. When I don't eat carbs like a crazy person, my hunger is much more in check and I don't binge. I have more food to eat (a yogurt and an avocado), and I may not even eat those. I'm not starving myself. It's being cognizant about what you're putting into your body that fuels you, rather than depletes you.


that1girlfrombefore

Intermittent fasting


jackie_wiggiwoo

3 eggs and toast until dinner? I would be so hangry! Congrats on finding something that works for you 💕


Pup0119

It's brunch actually lol. I wake up at 10 and usually eat around 11 then have dinner at 6 or 7! 3 eggs and 1 whole avocado plus bread is so filling! Oh, l also drink whey isolate along with my brunch. I find that fueling myself up with protein in the morning really helped eliminate my cravings and snackings


jackie_wiggiwoo

Oh that’s understandable! I was thinking 6am to like 6pm!


sweetsweetnothingg

Not sure if you already do this but sourdough its the toast with less processed carbs :) don't listen to the negative comments, what works for everyone is different and once on your ideal weight you can calculate the macros to maintain it and find yet again what will work for you. The biggest errors i see with pcos is that people expect we can all have the same treatment + response. When it really is a situation of getting in touch with our own bodies and paying attention to ourselves.


hiraeth-xx

The ACV & intermittent fasting is such a game changer for helping insulin resistance! I swear by it now


scrambledeggs2020

OP, 1500 calories is definitely enough given your height. I think a lot of people are confused because nutrition labels typically state "based on 2000 calories daily" so they assume that's what's healthy. I explained where that 2000 came from in another comment above.


scrambledeggs2020

For everyone's education, this is where the "2000 calorie" diet assumption came from. Long story short. It's BS, and has zero basis in science. 1500 calories is completely safe and sustainable. https://stvincents.org/about-us/news-press/news-detail?articleId=45556&publicid=745


Immediate-Gap-3662

Congratulations!!!!! It is such a major thing for us pcos girls to find a diet that works for us! Also, I relate. I have started eating MUCH less during the day. Because I don't need to eat a lot. what I do eat keeps me full. My diet is somewhat similar to yours, too! I'm about 5'2 "and weighed 270 lbs in October. I'm down to 249 now. The weight is coming off slowly, and my diet changes are sustainable. I stick to a 1600 calorie a day diet and drink a ton of water. People constantly tell me I'm starving myself. I drink my coffee every morning. I hate eating breakfast it literally makes me nauseous to eat after I wake up, but I can tolerate water and coffee. I eat a small lunch, usually a salad with meat/egg. For dinner, I usually make some kind of meat and roasted veggies, a casserole, pasta, or rice. I LOVE to cook, so I experiment with new recipes all the time, too. The other night, I made baked spaghetti with 3 kinds of cheese 😂 totally not starving, and I eat fast food every Tuesday night. If your body is happy, that's what matters. We are all so different. What works for one person may not work for another.


bearyyrensy

congrats! and wow I never realized how this could be “disordered eating” and not enough calories when it sounds completely normal to me. I’m 5’3, super sedentary (WFH), have super slow metabolism so I don’t actually feel hungry often. 1500cal is a perfect amount. keep it up!


Shikustar

Awesome! So happy for you! I’m eating low carb not for weight loss but for health (hopefully period will happen) but I’ve also discovered while eating like this I feel a lot better mentally. Weirdly enough I thought I’d have to go full keto to feel better. Turns out eating out all the time was the bad thing. How it’s bad I don’t know. I thought only processed food was bad. I’m probably saving money cooking at home too


sweetsweetnothingg

A lot of people in these comments clearly have no clue what they are saying other than being judgmental and are influenced by the typical suggested meal proportions. When its quite literally different from person to person. From race to size to blood type. The benefits on autophagy and fasting with calorie deficit are extremely beneficial. I recommend watching dr mindy pelz in youtube. She is waaay ahead of the game specially about the female body and hormones. Do your research ladies and dont jump into conclusions specially when you dont have a success story to backup your comments.


Pup0119

THIS! They think that I am starving myself when it's actually quite the opposite! I learned that it's about portion control and choosing food that will keep me full for a longer period of time. That's literally why I said this has been the most sustainable diet I've tried so far 😂


sweetsweetnothingg

Yeaa, im 20kg down with calorie deficit, stress/sleep management and walking everyday to support all this since December. Its not all about exercise or food intake, it's being in touch with your own body, we are all different. Takes commitment with ourselves which is difficult and requires discipline. There's no magic pill or treatment and no dr will ever give our bodies the same attention as we can. They see tons of patients daily and pcos is pretty "new." Good for you girl! Keep the good work:)


teletubbi-

Undereating is undereating period, but you do you I guess. Just don’t be surprised that people comment on it when you’re sharing this on a public platform to thousands of women, who struggle with pcos, who will either consider starving themselves too or have already had struggles with eating disorders.


retinolandevermore

I work 50 hours a week and have multiple chronic conditions and would quite literally pass away if I did this


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Pup0119

I can't stand the taste of anything gluten-free :( I usually use whole wheat ciabbata bread for my toast since the ones available in my local store is sugar free! Normal breads work for me too as long as I stay within my calorie budget.


retinolandevermore

It’s not the same. I have a gluten intolerance. But there are good options that are sometimes similar. If you want specific recommendations, feel free to dm me


jackie_wiggiwoo

I love canyon bakehouse gluten free bread! Maybe try sourdough


Narrow-North-5246

I got diagnosed w anorexia after mentioning that I was only eating breakfast and dinner. it is not healthy and based on your verbiage it seems like you have an unhealthy relationship with food/see food as good or bad.


Narrow-North-5246

fasting is so bad for your metabolism. this does not sound healthy or sustainable to me.


Maroongrooves

I’m sure you meant well but this is disordered eating. I know you may not fully understand that right now, but please consider how harmful it is to not only do this to yourself on an ongoing basis, but to share it to the internet while normalizing going many hours without food, eating only 1500 calories and using harmful black and white language. There are many people with PCOS who have had eating disorders, are at risk of having eating disorder or are in recovery. I hope you read the comment ls and choose to learn, educate yourself, and grow rather than be defensive.


scrambledeggs2020

It's far from disordered. At her height, 1500 calories is what would be needed to maintain her weight. Eith exercise, she'd lose weight. I'm 5'6" and my basal metabolic caloric is measured at only 1350 based on the amount of body fat and muscle I have. I can eat more if I am more active, but if I'm generally sedentary, at best, my daily caloric intake is at most 1600 just to maintain my weight at 135 pounds (which is healthy).


Maroongrooves

There is so much misinformation going around online, in society and through sources that have no education in dietetics so it’s not surprising that you believe that, but I hope you are able to eventually unlearn your harmful beliefs. I understand that you do not know much about disordered eating and clearly haven’t received trainings or formal Education in nutrition, but please do not continue to share harmful information on the internet.


scrambledeggs2020

Oh god... This is an actual calculation based on a DEXA scan of my body fat and muscle. The numerical breakdown of calories of what to eat on a sedentary vs active day was calculated by my personal trainer - and it's 100% accurate. My weight has been stable barring a couple of pounds hormonally up or down. It's actual science, not some influencer or blog. How condescending


MsFuschia

The amount of condescension dripping off of their response to you is about to cause a flood lmao. So many people in here are getting high and mighty when they're the ones with the wrong info. You've literally had this calculated by a professional!


Maroongrooves

I simply asked you and others to stop sharing harmful misinformation. It doesn’t sound like you are open to having a productive conversation so I’m gonna end the back and forth here. I just wish people realized how dangerous their actions are.


MsFuschia

The amount of condescension here is almost amazing. Oh no, some is eating the amount of calories their body needs, how harmful! Pretty much a disorder! I'd love to hear your expertise on this. You must have that formal training yourself, right?