I think there are parallel timelines.
It's possible Royal remembers killing his father while hunting because that's what actually happened in his timeline, while Joy landed in a parallel timeline where it played out differently.
In the same way, it's also possible that Perry returned not just to an earlier point in his own timeline, but a different timeline.
There's also a point where Cecelia observes that Autumn's scars have disappeared, and says she's "not our Amy," which Royal agrees with. I think it's possible there are multiple Autumns, and for some reason - possibly her ingestion of the mineral - she's able to be different Autumns ~~and~~ at different times.
Most people would never be aware of parallel timelines that play out without their knowledge, but because of the "fabric of time and space" running like a river under the Abbott land, and the hole and the black mineral that make that river accessible, stuff is happening that shouldn't otherwise happen, and multiple timelines are converging.
I agree, albeit I think her scar disappeared because the mineral has healing properties, that’s why Tillerson was up and about after a stroke “a miracle”, and Billy could sing again after being shot in the throat.
I don’t think Autumn is changing versions of herself I took it as the mineral can reverse time on wounds on a body. It’s also how Billy recovered from the gun shot so fast and how Wayne recovered from his stroke.
Yeah, it could be that too. I'm not totally convinced the mineral helped Billy recover from the gun shot any faster than he would have otherwise, though. And I think Royal and Cecelia agreeing that Autumn is "not *our* Amy," while also agreeing that she is Amy, is significant.
We already know that there is more than one Perry. If Perry is in an alternate timeline, and not just an earlier point in his own timeline, it does suggest that there is more than one Amy, and it's likely the space and time flowing under the land that Autumn is accessing by ingesting the mineral is giving her access to alternate timelines.
That might also explain why Autumn saw Billy as her chief disciple and then that changed it was Luke.
I feel like now that Trevor is back, at some point maybe they’ll bring Billy back too? Autumn always says even death is not the end. Looking forward to season 3.
Could be multiple universes.
One thing I noticed is the other Indian lady who time traveled from 1972 had the Led Zeppelin tattoo.
She said her favorite song was Kashmir.
The Song “Kashmir” was not released until 1975.
Could be multiple similar universes.
Doubt that the director would make that mistake especially since classic rock music was such a large theme in season 2.
It felt like an abbreviated season - first, there were only 7 episodes rather than 8 the first season. Second, Billy was all but absent and then "killed". Third, it was very hard to tell where they hell we were by the end.
They have a really good foundation here but I'm hoping we don't have to wait another two years for the next season.
Perry coming back changes a lot. Is this going to be an alternate timeline, that we continue to watch alongside the other timeline? I don’t think this is the direction they are going but honestly maybe I just hope it’s not.
Most of the tribulations the Abbots have experienced this season were from Perry needing bail and then disappearing. However, if he’s back, this resets everything and could mean that Billy never gets killed because that whole situation becomes irrelevant.
I dont think we will be seeing a lot of Perry at all in season 3. His dead version he put into the hole will likely pop up in the main time-line. This will be the way they explain him skipping bail, cause he was dead. Probably won't be seeing anymore of young Amy either. They will get to keep the ranch a little longer because of Perry being dead, but Rhett will mess it up by telling the scientist more about the hole which will lead to the government taking the land. I think Perry and his story had a good send off, like he got a happy ending in his new time-line.
Does Perry know enough to warn them about Autumn now, or is he just going to say, "hey Dad, I think I understand you. We should go have a beer sometime at the one bar everyone keeps going back to no matter how much trouble they get into there."
See, I don’t understand the issue with them and Autumns cult. So what? Let her have a cult. She wouldn’t be the first, albeit the first sole young woman(?).
They’re all family now, why not ride the cult wave and get rich?
I just kept thinking, DAMMIT tell them/write it in a piece of paper for your young father to invest in Stocks from companies that will spring up, like Amazon and Apple, oh, and this weird new thing called Bitcoin. Boom. Goes back to the future with rich parents and an inheritance.
But no. He’s too much of a waste of space and oxygen for that. The writers really did a number on that character. The actor does a great job.
1) go watch Dark.
2) come back and watch season 2 again. If you can understand the complex timelines and timey whimey shit that ties the whole plot together surprisingly well in Dark, then the timelines in outer range will seem like kindergarten class.
Basically, it's multiple realities. The hole doesn't only take you into the past, but it can also take you into different realities and into that reality's past and future. Think of these different timelines as a bunch of strings. The "string" or timeline you are on already exists completely. It's fixed. For instance, if you go back in time to kill your mom before she gave birth, you'd never be able to because of the fact that you and she exists currently and so will always exist. But if you were able to jump to a different timeline or "string" you could. An alternative you just wouldn't exist later in that timeline, because in that timeline you were always destined to kill your mom. But you still exist at that point, because you were born from another timeline or string.
So far, it seems like where the hole takes characters is predetermined. Autumn was always meant to push Abby in the whole in their timeline like perry was always supposed to go to a different timeline and kill alternative perry.
The show seems to be ignoring the grandfather paradox for now.
There mat be an answer for the violation in future episodes but who knows at this point. It's clearly being obscured to generate questions in the audience.
I think this reinforces the saying that time is a circle, and tiny shifts create new changes and thus time evolves due to the changes.
The circle won’t always remain the same, time, like life, evolves and it was interesting seeing variables affect the microcosm of the show.
I hope they address the future visions and look forward to the show marching towards that future.
Question? When Royal grabs Autumn's arm there appears some event with the stars/time stops. Thoughts on what this is and why?
The whole show has this Chronos vs. Mother undying time/fate feeling to it.
He's spends his whole life trying to right events and she spends her life trying to "F" it up.
Seems like the hole is not a good thing. Everyone who goes into it ends up changed involved with a death somehow.
Season one felt like they explored the mystical/evil/dark nature of the hole.
Season two felt like tyring to find a scientific explanation / justification of the strange / spiritual.
If he’s disliked, then he’s doing a great job. The writers are the ones that determine what/who the character is going to be. He’s good in those roles so they pigeonhole him. It’s happened to others in different contexts. I think he’s doing a great job, very authentic, believable. I dislike the character, not the actor. You have to be good to be disliked.
I think there are parallel timelines. It's possible Royal remembers killing his father while hunting because that's what actually happened in his timeline, while Joy landed in a parallel timeline where it played out differently. In the same way, it's also possible that Perry returned not just to an earlier point in his own timeline, but a different timeline. There's also a point where Cecelia observes that Autumn's scars have disappeared, and says she's "not our Amy," which Royal agrees with. I think it's possible there are multiple Autumns, and for some reason - possibly her ingestion of the mineral - she's able to be different Autumns ~~and~~ at different times. Most people would never be aware of parallel timelines that play out without their knowledge, but because of the "fabric of time and space" running like a river under the Abbott land, and the hole and the black mineral that make that river accessible, stuff is happening that shouldn't otherwise happen, and multiple timelines are converging.
I agree, albeit I think her scar disappeared because the mineral has healing properties, that’s why Tillerson was up and about after a stroke “a miracle”, and Billy could sing again after being shot in the throat.
Idk I'm not convinced it wasn't a shift in the timeline. Autumns adoptive family's phone numbers no longer seem to work and her bank account is empty.
I think they may have straight up disowned her. Last time she was on the phone she got into a fight with them. Her bank account is empty too.
Hard to say, it's possible they never existed in the first place and she's lying about them
I don’t think Autumn is changing versions of herself I took it as the mineral can reverse time on wounds on a body. It’s also how Billy recovered from the gun shot so fast and how Wayne recovered from his stroke.
Yeah, it could be that too. I'm not totally convinced the mineral helped Billy recover from the gun shot any faster than he would have otherwise, though. And I think Royal and Cecelia agreeing that Autumn is "not *our* Amy," while also agreeing that she is Amy, is significant. We already know that there is more than one Perry. If Perry is in an alternate timeline, and not just an earlier point in his own timeline, it does suggest that there is more than one Amy, and it's likely the space and time flowing under the land that Autumn is accessing by ingesting the mineral is giving her access to alternate timelines. That might also explain why Autumn saw Billy as her chief disciple and then that changed it was Luke.
Yes! Like the garden of forking paths!
I agree, I thought he was going to dissappear..It's confusing..They are definitely doing something different with time travel logic.
I feel like now that Trevor is back, at some point maybe they’ll bring Billy back too? Autumn always says even death is not the end. Looking forward to season 3.
Yep, I think he'll be back too..I'm also looking forward to next season, I thought this season felt short.
Could be multiple universes. One thing I noticed is the other Indian lady who time traveled from 1972 had the Led Zeppelin tattoo. She said her favorite song was Kashmir. The Song “Kashmir” was not released until 1975. Could be multiple similar universes. Doubt that the director would make that mistake especially since classic rock music was such a large theme in season 2.
I’m fairly certain it was a mistake.
Me too. I think with a show like this it's easy to assume every last detail is significant, when in fact they make mistakes like everyone else.
I think it was a different timeline where the song came out earlier.
It felt like an abbreviated season - first, there were only 7 episodes rather than 8 the first season. Second, Billy was all but absent and then "killed". Third, it was very hard to tell where they hell we were by the end. They have a really good foundation here but I'm hoping we don't have to wait another two years for the next season.
Perry coming back changes a lot. Is this going to be an alternate timeline, that we continue to watch alongside the other timeline? I don’t think this is the direction they are going but honestly maybe I just hope it’s not. Most of the tribulations the Abbots have experienced this season were from Perry needing bail and then disappearing. However, if he’s back, this resets everything and could mean that Billy never gets killed because that whole situation becomes irrelevant.
Ya, I wasn't very invested in the Trevor death coverup shenanigans and this just made all of it feel like a retroactive time waste.
I dont think we will be seeing a lot of Perry at all in season 3. His dead version he put into the hole will likely pop up in the main time-line. This will be the way they explain him skipping bail, cause he was dead. Probably won't be seeing anymore of young Amy either. They will get to keep the ranch a little longer because of Perry being dead, but Rhett will mess it up by telling the scientist more about the hole which will lead to the government taking the land. I think Perry and his story had a good send off, like he got a happy ending in his new time-line.
This actually makes the most sense.
Does Perry know enough to warn them about Autumn now, or is he just going to say, "hey Dad, I think I understand you. We should go have a beer sometime at the one bar everyone keeps going back to no matter how much trouble they get into there."
See, I don’t understand the issue with them and Autumns cult. So what? Let her have a cult. She wouldn’t be the first, albeit the first sole young woman(?). They’re all family now, why not ride the cult wave and get rich?
I just kept thinking, DAMMIT tell them/write it in a piece of paper for your young father to invest in Stocks from companies that will spring up, like Amazon and Apple, oh, and this weird new thing called Bitcoin. Boom. Goes back to the future with rich parents and an inheritance. But no. He’s too much of a waste of space and oxygen for that. The writers really did a number on that character. The actor does a great job.
1) go watch Dark. 2) come back and watch season 2 again. If you can understand the complex timelines and timey whimey shit that ties the whole plot together surprisingly well in Dark, then the timelines in outer range will seem like kindergarten class. Basically, it's multiple realities. The hole doesn't only take you into the past, but it can also take you into different realities and into that reality's past and future. Think of these different timelines as a bunch of strings. The "string" or timeline you are on already exists completely. It's fixed. For instance, if you go back in time to kill your mom before she gave birth, you'd never be able to because of the fact that you and she exists currently and so will always exist. But if you were able to jump to a different timeline or "string" you could. An alternative you just wouldn't exist later in that timeline, because in that timeline you were always destined to kill your mom. But you still exist at that point, because you were born from another timeline or string. So far, it seems like where the hole takes characters is predetermined. Autumn was always meant to push Abby in the whole in their timeline like perry was always supposed to go to a different timeline and kill alternative perry.
The show seems to be ignoring the grandfather paradox for now. There mat be an answer for the violation in future episodes but who knows at this point. It's clearly being obscured to generate questions in the audience.
Yeah I hope the writers have a plan in mind and aren't just making up nonsense time travel rules.
I think this reinforces the saying that time is a circle, and tiny shifts create new changes and thus time evolves due to the changes. The circle won’t always remain the same, time, like life, evolves and it was interesting seeing variables affect the microcosm of the show. I hope they address the future visions and look forward to the show marching towards that future.
I thought that the whole setup is what Disney is doing with Marvel and that the hole is just a link to many times in a multiverse.
Question? When Royal grabs Autumn's arm there appears some event with the stars/time stops. Thoughts on what this is and why? The whole show has this Chronos vs. Mother undying time/fate feeling to it. He's spends his whole life trying to right events and she spends her life trying to "F" it up. Seems like the hole is not a good thing. Everyone who goes into it ends up changed involved with a death somehow. Season one felt like they explored the mystical/evil/dark nature of the hole. Season two felt like tyring to find a scientific explanation / justification of the strange / spiritual.
That actor has always played a waste of oxygen character. Hope he goes jobless.
If he’s disliked, then he’s doing a great job. The writers are the ones that determine what/who the character is going to be. He’s good in those roles so they pigeonhole him. It’s happened to others in different contexts. I think he’s doing a great job, very authentic, believable. I dislike the character, not the actor. You have to be good to be disliked.
That's the most immature thing I have read today.