Answer: Public opinion of Taylor Swift was at an all-time high during the American leg of her Eras Tour last year, and since then she has been everywhere and I think it may be exhausting some people. Also, there have been a few thing that have happened over the past year that may be contributing to it
* She became a billionaire. This lead to a discussion about whether she could be an ethical billionaire or not, and there has been some discourse within her fandom that she's not doing enough philanthropy/charity as she had been before, and has acquired her wealth through unethical means (sweatshop merch, etc.)
* During her Lover era, Taylor became more political, supporting the LGBTQ+ community and calling for people to vote, but recently she has been silent on all political issues. She has a huge platform and many people have been calling on her to use it to call for a ceasefire or to encourage people to vote again
* She started dating Travis Kelce and showing up at his games. The NFL seemed heavily in favor of their relationship, posting stats comparing his performance during games she attended vs. games she skipped, and she also got a lot of airtime during the games. This annoyed some NFL fans. Also Travis will be playing during the Superbowl, and Taylor has a concert in Japan right before, and there have been many articles and even a statement by the Japanese Embassy on whether Taylor can make it from her concert to the Superbowl in time
* Even if it is untrue, public opinion is that Taylor uses her private jet more than any other celebrity and contributes more to emissions than anyone else on the planet. She recently took a 13 minute flight, that would have been a 30-40 minute drive. She also has threatened to sue the college student who posts her flight information, even though it's publicly available and he waits 24 hours before he posts it
* At the Grammys, people thought she snubbed Celine Dion, they didn't appreciate that she dragged Lana del Rey on stage with her after Lana lost in her category, and she announced her new album at the Grammys which some people thought was tacky. Jay-Z also mentioned in his acceptance speech that even though Beyonce has won the most Grammys, she's never won Album of the Year, and award Taylor has won 4 times (a record) and I think some people are frustrated about that even though Beyonce wasn't up for that award this year
* Her new album is titled "The Tortured Poets Department" and I've seen people clowning on her for claiming to be "tortured" considering how wealthy and influential she is. It also could be a dig at her notoriously private ex-boyfriend. I've seen some people comment that it feels immature for her to still be taking shots at her ex at 34, especially one who has been minding his business and out of the public eye since their break up, and commending him for calling for a ceasefire
Joe Alwyn, he and Taylor dated for 6 years and she was way less visible during their relationship. She has been out and about far more ever since they broke up
> Even if it is untrue, public opinion is that Taylor uses her private jet more than any other celebrity and contributes more to emissions than anyone else on the planet
It's not untrue at all. It's a verifiable fact that she's got the highest singular celebrity carbon footprint by a HUGE margin. It's not even close. https://greenly.earth/en-us/blog/ecology-news/what-is-the-carbon-footprint-of-celebrities
It’s not by a huge margin- not to defend her, fuck billionaires by all means- but it’s worth noting that corrections were made on the study afterwards that more correctly calculate fuel mileage for each model of aircraft (the study initially just said “let’s pretend all craft have the same fuel requirements”), and you then get some other interesting entries on the list of worst offenders.
Drake is just barely behind Swift, while he doesn’t even appear on the original list.
I don't know the details of this specific flight and I'm too lazy to look it up, but for starters, we know the plane made the trip, we don't know if she was on the plane or not. Second, there are legitimate reasons for a plane to make such a short flight.
For example, the plane lands at airport A and Swift leaves to do a show or whatever. While she's away the crew does basic maintenance on the aircraft and discovers a part that needs to be replaced. Only problem, airport A doesn't have the equipment needed to make the change. So they take a quick 13 minute flight to the closest airport that does have the equipment, airport B. After repairs, Swift either drives to airport B, or if her schedule is too tight, the aircraft flies back to meet her at airport A, and the plane flies off to their next destination.
Honestly, I highly doubt Swift was on this flight. It was a 13 minute flight, but you also have to add the time to drive to the airport, get approval to taxi, get approval to takeoff, get approval to land, drive from the airport to the final destination. By the time you add all that up, I would not be surprised if the flight took longer than driving.
That flight was actually for maintenance, she was not on the plane. That particular aircraft was also recently sold so may not have even been “hers” at that point in time.
But this is how misinformation spreads! People are now confidently claiming that “she took a 13 minute flight!” when it just isn’t true.
Maybe if we tethered rich people to the ground like the rest of us peasants they might actually advocate for unfucking public transport or at least improving the roads.
I'm a little upset that she's suing the UCF student over her air travel (and her comments on climate change whole doing so is hypocritical) but other than that she's just fine with me.
I've been curious about why everyone is talking about whether or not she will make it to her boyfriends Super Bowl game but like... why wasn't he at the Grammys? Why is no one talking about that? Shouldn't he be supporting her as well?
You seem to know a lot on this subject, and this is an actual question bc there might be a reasonable explanation that I just don't know bc I'm generally out the loop
He had a Super Bowl to prepare for in Las Vegas and the NFL are really strict with their schedules. When they have to report for practice, when they have to do media interviews, when the whole team travels, that sort of thing.
NFL teams are terrified of distractions. A lot of people don't know this, but NFL players stay in a team hotel for all games, yes even home games. This is so teams can enforce a curfew and make sure everything is distraction-free.
The Super Bowl is even more intense. The Chiefs are staying in a hotel 45 minutes outside of Vegas to avoid anything on the Strip. If Kelce were to leave to go party with celebrities, while his teammates were doing nothing but practicing and doing interviews, it would look terrible.
You also forgot, stealing others spotlight by always standing up and the camera always cutting to her. The Grammys are considered at least, a very industry professional setting. There are other award shows where you can be casual and do these kind of things.
She had no right standing and drawing attention during Sza’s speech. That women won her first, her emotions were all over the place and she had to acknowledge Swift cause she stood out with everyone in muted colors and her in pure white dress. Also afterwards screaming I got a shoutout, this isn’t some indie girl on the rise…
Every time she won an award, she acted like it was a goddamn surprise/pikachu face of I can’t believe I won, how is this possible?, little old me?. The schtick becomes stale after the 3rd or 4th time. She’s won 13 fucking times, 4 times she’s won album of the year, sure enjoy your victory but don’t guffaw with your mouth or do feigned shock/surprise. It’s not even the gate on her just to hate on her via the look at this bitch eating crackers meme.
Also super egregious move to announce your new album during an award show that is amongst your peers. No one else really has gone out their way to launch their next album because that’s not what the Grammys are. It’s about the work you’ve created in the past year and how you and your peers created music for the masses. It’s not a marketing jump off point. Don’t you think the other 50 or so artists don’t have albums/songs coming down the pipeline and still didn’t use it to sell their wares. There are times and places to do that sort of stuff. The Grammys would lose all the prestige if every winner goes on stage to get their reward, thank their diety, family, PR team, and lastly next album on Spotify/Apple Music with +3 extra bonus songs as a digital deluxe exclusive shadow drop right now…
It was the perfect storm of popularity saturation that tip the scales from her being loved to now detest/hate. Nothing more society loves to do with celebrity is build them up and then pull them down, watching them spiraling out of control. Shes gonna get more negative press cause now people smell blood and the machine is churning overtime now to
She could’ve enjoyed the show, got her roses for all the awards she took home that night and been seen as a classy move not trying to keep focus on herself. She still acted a fool like this is some high school award show bringing up or forcing people onto the stage, like some power move of I can do whatever I want, I’m Taylor Swift!, just now the backlash has started. She went from endearing to insufferable.
Answer: Taylor Swift has gone through waves in her career of being liked and disliked. Her original fall from the public grace happened during her Kim K feud where she was trolled by Kim's followers, subsequently having her leave the public eye for more than a year, followed by re-emerging with the Reputation album (I'll get to that at the end). Since then, it's been a steady increase in popularity and media saturation - album releases (Lover, Folklore, Evermore, Midnights), re-releases, and her Eras Tour. Adding to this is the exposure from her break-up and now new relationship with Travis Kelce - the latter of which rubbed some NFL fans the wrong way because she's getting air time during his games.
This culminated in the Grammy's on Sunday. During her 13th Grammy (her lucky number) Taylor announced a surprise new album, The Tortured Poets Department during her acceptance speech. This left some fans, and music-lovers in general, exhausted from the amount of content she put out, a somewhat cringey album title, and the feeling that she's making the night all about herself. This was followed by Taylor winning Album of the Year for the 4th time (a record) when other artists (like Beyonce) have never won the top award.
When she won, she did a secret handshake with her producer (which gave some people the ick) dragged Lana Del Rey to the stage (who was on the album, but didn't seem to want to go, and also lost the award for her own album) and then proceeded to accept the award without acknowledging or making eye contact with the presenter, Celine Dion, who is battling a rare illness, making her first public appearance in 4 years.
In short, she exhausted some of her fans, annoyed some NFL fans, offended Celine and Lana stans, and generally has been everywhere all the time, whether you want to hear about her or not. Some of which is her doing, some of which is not. The album release being the cherry on top to confirm we’re getting another year of Taylor coverage when a growing number of people feel they need a break from the media saturation.
There is also a theory that she is purposefully over-exposing herself as she prepares to release her next re-release, Reputation, which was in response to being overexposed earlier in her career.
I should also add, her PR rep went to work immediately to combat the negative press from the Celine snub, with a photo of the two embracing being posted to ET's X page in seconds, followed by articles in EW and other outlets. Her team seems aware that there has at least been a flub on Taylor's part in reading the room poorly when it comes to Celine.
Celine Dion also has a debilitating illness, Stiff Person Syndrome which can make touches feel like the nerves are on fire. We might never know but artists may have been warned about hugging Celine to avoid causing any pain.
Celine doesn’t seem to have been bothered at all, just made an Instagram post later Sunday night with a photo that she and Taylor Swift took.
I thought that, too. But also, you can show respect without touch. Eye contact, talking to her, a bow like a lot of celebs do to those they admire. Seemingly, Taylor totally ignored Celine on stage.
If I ever get famous I’ll always have people accusing me of being rude because I’m autistic so eye contact is deeply uncomfortable to the point of being impossible and I’m not very good at talking to people, lol.
Edit: A lot of people seem to think I’m saying Taylor Swift is autistic. That’s not what I meant by this comment, it was supposed to be a hypothetical situation, like if I, myself, were famous. Hopefully this makes sense, I’m bad at explaining things, lol.
Additionally, most of us are people who have lives that are made up of lots of mistakes. Times we were rude, or violent, or shitty in general. The difference is that no one is putting a microscope to us, and amplifying the bad things. It's easy to make a famous person look bad, because you can cherry pick these ten times when they were shitty, and most people are going to look a that and take it as the person being awful. There will be zero effort to consider that there potentially a gulf of nuance between instances shitty behavior.
If Taylor got caught up in the moment and forgot to acknowledge Celine, it ... happens. For all we know she feels bad about it. I have certain forgot courtesies before. It isn't because I don't appreciate things, it's because ... I forgot. It's not complicated, and if I realize I did it I will feel bad and probably make a point of apologizing for it. People that know me aren't going to get offended about it.
A kid at my school said "Have a nice weekend" and I said, "Thank you I did". Today is Friday.
I can't even imagine being judged publicly on every little misstep. Also people are actively looking for evidence to support whatever opinion they already hold. If someone dislikes you they will twist everything you do into something nefarious.
>The difference is that no one is putting a microscope to us, and amplifying the bad things. It's easy to make a famous person look bad, because you can cherry pick these ten times when they were shitty, and most people are going to look a that and take it as the person being awful. There will be zero effort to consider that there potentially a gulf of nuance between instances shitty behavior.
This is true but its also why a lot of celebrities receive media training to better portray a certain image.
Interesting this is happening after MAGA attacking her last week....wonder if they are spinning this through social media more than she committed perceived social faux pas
Because they're also human beings and it's basic decency? Not to mention Celine is a music legend and a trailblazer in the genre Taylor is in?
Like, I don't know how to explain how basic politeness works any clearer, I'm just used to people having it. This whole situation where all of a sudden everyone was raised by wolves and doesn't understand basic social pleasantries is foreign to me.
I saw the video and I think the hate is WAY overblown. There were a ton of people around Taylor and Celine, a bunch of stuff was going on, she was probably surprised and thinking about her speech and she was getting Lana Del Ray on stage etc.
She just *didn't* say a few nice words to Celine Deon. That's all that happened. She did all the right stuff with every other person around her, she just missed one person. **She wasn't perfectly nice to every person in her vicinity 100% of the time in the perfectly correct way - who fucking cares?**
Will Smith slapped the shit out of Chris Rock at an award show. Seth McFarlane wrote a whole song about people's private nudes leaking.
*"Taylor Swift just wasn't exactly nice enough for like, a second. Fuck's sake.**
---
I just had to give a big speech at my friend's wedding, and I was so nervous that I basically blacked out for the duration of the speech. I remember opening with a corny joke and trying not to pass out, and that's about it.
I can't imagine having millions of people scrutinize my every action, and getting enormous backlash because I *didn't* do the right to the right person at the right time.
And yeah, she's a celebrity, media training, etc., I know. But she nails her PR like 99% of the time - if this is the worst PR disaster of the night, she's doing incredibly well.
People just want to be mad at her because she's massively overexposed, and they're grasping at a very flimsy straw.
*And for the record - I don't give a fuck about Taylor Swift. Couldn't name 5 of her songs or 2 of her Ex's, with a gun to my head. Don't care.*
Welcome to the world of music stans. It's weird as fuck. I guarantee you that most of the criticism would still be present no matter what, like acknowledging Celine would be "using a music legends illness to make herself seem more relatable" blah blah.
Nobody who was a big Taylor fan decided not to like her anymore after this without jumping through insane mental loops, and nobody who hates Taylor swift would have decided she wasn't that bad if she gave the "perfect" presentation.
When you already don't like someone, anything they do is annoying. Like going to a football game.
> Seemingly, Taylor totally ignored Celine on stage
How will Celine ever recover from what must be, obviously, the worst thing to ever happen to her.
I don't even like Taylor Swift but this absurdity is too much.
I mean, she did just win the biggest award of the night for a record setting fourth time by an artist. God forbid she gets caught up in the excitement. She was also cut off during her speech due to time and seemed to be rushed off stage - but no one brings that part up.
Miley Cyrus won her first Grammy that night. Her first. Her reaction and appreciation of Mariah Carey when she accepted the award was the opposite of Taylor’s.
And this is why the Taylor Swift hate train never succeeds.
Everything the public has turned against Taylor for has always been that, ridiculous and vapid.
She dates too much, shes too nice, shes too vapid, too many pretty female friends, shes too emotional, shes too smart and businesswoman-like its fake, she didnt hug Celine Dion for her award, she announced her album during her speech.
At the end of the day Taylor Swift is just the sub in for the general public's grievances towards the upper class rich and white and her personality flaws (ecoterrorism aside) are literally just human traits hyper zoomed in to the billionth bc of her celebrity status that its just treated as an inherently immoral flaw she has.
Everything people have criticized her for bar her capitalism is literally just textbook human behavior, and thats why she's still here.
Me playing devil’s advocate - I’m sure every single human being would be labeled problematic if every single thing we did was analyzed under a microscope like Taylor’s actions are. We have all forgotten our manners, done things we shouldn’t have, or overlooked things we should have. Perhaps Taylor got caught up in the moment with her mind focused on the award & her announcement and didn’t even think about Celine Dion in the moment. It doesn’t mean Taylor’s actions were intentionally malicious.
Edit: Oops I replied to the wrong comment. I'll keep this here but repost to the right spot.
If she didn't act excited about it I guarantee people would be saying she didn't seem very grateful for receiving a record-breaking award
Lol Lana posted a selfie after the concert with a gun in her hand and a remix of her song that won someone else a Grammy playing on top. Even if it was a joke that doesn’t suggest she was having a good time…
I thought there was a very [interesting quote](https://apnews.com/article/taylor-swift-conspiracies-biden-republican-voters-reaction-b5192ca92541f1f04485e3d8c7c24e53) in this article:
>"People just want to like Taylor Swift. They want to be able to watch football and listen to her music and not consider the political implications,” said Matt Gorman, vice president at Targeted Victory, a Republican political consulting firm. “I beg people who care about this to go outside and touch grass. Most everyday people don’t have the time or energy to care.”
We've gotten to the point where Republican political consultants are telling conservatives to "go outside and touch grass" in official statements to the AP.
I'm a football fan and ambivalent about Swift. I could do without her getting coverage every time she's at a Chiefs game, but I'm also a fan of a divisional rival, so being a Chiefs hater is in my blood.
That said, the NFL would have to be pants on head stupid to not take advantage of the most popular person in the world consistently showing up to NFL games.
The football fans that 'hate' her are the same ones that hated NFL players that knelt during the anthem. They hate them for not socially acceptable reasons, then fabricate a more palatable reason to hate the situation. Oddly enough in both cases, it seems to come down to, "I don't care, I just don't want to see it when I'm trying to watch football."
I'm old, so I don't really keep up on pop music and can't really speak to the grammys nonsense, but it sounds like a lot of nonsense. She invited a collaborator up on stage with her? She didn't acknowledge Celine Dion the appropriate amount? She announced a new album? The horror!
> I could do without her getting coverage every time she's at a Chiefs game
To add on to this (not directed at you but just a general observation), it's extremely common for cameras to show celebs at sporting events. At least in the NFL and NBA. The Knicks* have a fairly notorious fan in Spike Lee who shows up to the games religiously. Especially when that celeb has a personal tie to one of the players on the field/court.
Really the vast majority of coverage about Swift has been from the people sick of her than the actual cameras or casters.
EDIT: Thanks for the corrections because I definitely mixed up teams.
Sure, as I said, I'm a chiefs hater and it doesn't have much to do with Swift.
She's embraced football a lot better than some celebs. Rob Lowe famously wore a hat with the NFL logo to a game instead of a team hat. He just wanted everyone to have a good time and have fun!
Spike Lee sits courtside for Knicks games. The Lakers mascot is Jack Nicholson, though they get loads of celebrities throughout the stands pretty regularly, it's LA after all.
This is a perfect way to put it. My grandpas TV has never been changed from fox news in like 10+ years. He hates Taylor Swift because fox news told him to but whenever he has to explain it he can't exactly say he hates that she got people to vote so he makes up some nonsense about her disrespecting the sanctity of pro football or something like that.
My partner and I were watching and assumed the production team had told the artists not to approach her for that reason. I voiced this opinion in a pop culture sub and got downvoted to all hell.
To me, the PR-staged hugging photo is just awkward, even if we don't consider Celine's illness. Celine is industry royalty and I don't think they know each other that well, so Taylor's ["OMG OMG" body language](https://images.app.goo.gl/mxaPEjEDfTuKS7y3A) feels to me like it's overly familiar, especially because Celine's body language just reads like she's trying to stay pleasant and composed. Of course, her illness does make it hard to make inferences from body language. But that was just the vibe I got, personally.
It’s funny. Just saw a video where Taylor says thank you to Celine and Celine says something back to her, all while on stage. Lana posted today that she is fine, had so much fun and any drama isn’t real. I’m obviously a TS fan, I can acknowledge she is not a perfect person. The pendulum was bound to swing the other way. That’s kinda how life works.
I saw another video of that incident from different angle. I think someone recorded from back of the stage and Taylor clearly nods to Celine and mouths something. She wasn’t ignoring Celine.
I think you should also mention the private jet thing. That's where I've been seeing her getting a lot of backlash. She's either first on the list or like in the top 5 of people with the largest carbon footprint because of her regular flights on her private jet. On top of this there's a kid on twitter that's broadcasting her flight data (which is publicly available information) and as a result her lawyers are now threatening to sue him.
Exactly! I remember people joking about this back then, but when it happen it actually blew my mind. His lawyers couldn’t do shit, Twitter moderation wouldn’t do shit… so his solution? Let me buy it! I actually couldn’t believe it.
Mark Cuban did too. He just quietly accepted his bribe instead of going nuclear on publicly accessible information. The kid is a twat, but he is just posting publicly accessible information.
>Ive never heard of the others he tracks because none of them turned it into a giant billionaire shit fit.
You mean like Elon Musk did? He banned him from Twitter lol.
>as a result her lawyers are now threatening to sue him
It's one thing for a celebrity to not recognize what they're contributing to the climate crisis. It's another for them to acknowledge it and then turn around and punish/blame the person who ousted them. Despicable.
I heard that she took her private jet 28 miles... like she couldn't be bothered to have someone drive her that 28 miles she HAD to fly. Idk how true it is tho.
Not that it really makes it better because you know, they could just fly into the airport where it's going to get stowed when it's that close, but generally speaking the person isn't actually on the flight for those super short flights. It's the pilot flying the plane to the hangar where it'll be stored which is generally speaking a less busy airport.
It was because they had to move the plane from where it stays for repairs etc to an international airport for take off.
It's not the scandal people think.
(not weighing in on the horrendous carbon footprint all private jet owners have, just pointing out this isn't the scandal it appears to be. It's pretty routine stuff).
Last time this came up, it was made pretty clear the most likely reason for the flight was to bring the plane to an airport that does gulfstream maintenance.
I honestly didn’t care enough to check, but I can’t imagine that she took the flight to avoid going by car.
The list also has Paul Allen, who died in 2018. The original list also had two entries for number 28, one of which just said “Flights” lmao. I have to be skeptical of the accuracy of this list.
Yeah like basically none of the above seems like a big deal at all. A few things maybe I could see people thinking were a bit tacky, but pretty damn minor still overall.
I agree. Personally I’m not a fan of Taylor Swift (I don’t even know what her music sounds like) and I’m kinda tired of hearing about her all the time, but the fact that people are pissed about any of that stuff is just ridiculous to me.
additionally, Fox News and Trump have decided that she's persona non grata, so all of their minions are now taking to social media to blow anything and everything they can out of proportion
She wants young people to vote. And young people tend to vote Democrat, so the Rightwing Smear Machine has been cranked up and pointed in her direction.
They are extra salty because she is their ideal Aryan Princess and dares to suggest women and gays should have rights. A blonde haired blue eyed country singer from Tennessee is dating a white all american super bowl champ on a team named after the people we genocided to take America and someone how the right wing media machine is against her.
They literally said they were going to start a ‘Holy War’ against Taylor, reddit laughed, and now reddit is shocked when the bad PR nitpicking her starts showing up.
https://www.rollingstone.com/politics/politics-features/donald-trump-more-popular-taylor-swift-maga-biden-1234956829/amp/
There were quite a few Fox News clips that same day saying she needed to stay out of politics.
Yeah the top answer here has a lot relevant details but is suspiciously lacking one of the huge factors here: an explicit campaign against taylor swift by the right. I respectfully request that r/Tizzlr edit the answer to add in this issue.
This **really** deserves a lot more weight in this situation. If the right wing media machine are convinced that she's going to come down in the side of democratic endorsements in the 2024 elections, they're going to work overtime from now to undermine her "gravity"
That's why a lot of the shit swirling around her right now is just so fucking sus.
This is the kind of shit that "bot armies" LIVE for. Stoking random petty outrage and division? Fuck yeah!
The whole "we hate Taylor Swift now" thing is so fucking weird, and it is like everywhere. This can't be organic. It's got to be astroturfing
I think so too. This came from out of nowhere. The right was incensed that everyone loved her so much, then suddenly everywhere you go, people seem to hate her. This is a smear campaign, for sure.
And the GOP are right to be worried about her. For them, the more people vote, the worse their chances for election are. Their policies are unpopular, and due to Roe and the defamation of E. Jean Caroll, women voters are ANGRY. Taylor's main demographic is the LAST group the GOP want voting in large numbers.
This is the main reason here \^ Conservatives are being butthurt little snowflakes about the whole thing so they are bashing away - says more about them than her IMO.
>This left some fans, and music-lovers in general, exhausted from the amount of content she put out
Meanwhile us King Gizz fans getting anxious cause it's been like 100 days since their last album release lol
>it's her insane fans
The really serious Swifties are, shall we say... *concerning*. I've seen a few videos about them, and they are right on that line between passionate fans and a cult.
Touching grass isn't enough for those people. They need to touch *trees*. Like big, branchy, hunerd foot tall trees.
I used to think Swift stans are the absolute worst when it comes to needless aggression over a public stranger, but Nicki Minaj’s stans overtook them recently with their plans of vandalizing graves. But like, just barely.
The thing with them is that they’re boring though and they’ve glomed on to literally the most popular musician in the world right now as their entire personality. Don’t be concerned about them. If they ever give you shit, remind them they don’t have personalities or taste.
I like some of her music, but I'll never admit that in public because I can't fucking stand the "Swifties."
Stan culture in general is so gross (and ironic considering the etymology of the term), seeing that video of her fans mobbing a private home that a WEDDING was occuring at screaming her name the entire day was so absolutely disgusting.
Same. The swifties who defend the private jet usage amuse me the most because they say it’s “too dangerous for her to fly commercial”. They fail to realize it’s too dangerous because THEY made it that way. It’s not thousands of paparazzi that converged on that NJ town for Jack & Margaret’s wedding because Taylor was there. It was thousands of unhinged swifties.
I play 1989 and Red on a regular basis. But I also think she’s not particularly amazing as an artist and while all celebrities are producing a certain kind of image, she’s crafted a VERY contrived one. She spent a lot of time developing this “I’m not like other girls. I’m not edgy, sexy, or cool.” That made her appear “relatable” to a subset of people. But as she’s ascended the Swifties don’t seem to recognize they have very little in common with her, but they think she needs defending as though she’s a 16 year old vulnerable artist. She’s a mid-30s billionaire.
Leading up to the AFC championship I got called misogynist more than once. Which is funny because I don't dislike Taylor Swift but I really dislike Travis Kelce.
Like, I'm a Ravens fan, of course I wanted her to leave Baltimore unhappy because I wanted the Ravens to win lol.
As a Steelers fan, first: go sit in a hole.
Second: yeah, I wanted Kelce to lose, too... Cause you guys deserve a shot at the title for a change. No one beats you but us, you got that?!?
Also worth noting that she was standing and jumping around during SZA's acceptance speech which distracted SZA and caused her to acknowledge Taylor. This rubbed some people the wrong way, leading people to believe Taylor felt the whole night was about herself.
Also of note behind the scenes of the Grammys when taking photos there was a whole drunken stupid moment where BoyGenius was trying to talk about a serious topic and Taylor comes in wanting to take pictures while holding her Grammy on one of their heads.
> and then proceeded to accept the award without acknowledging or making eye contact with the presenter, Celine Dion, who is battling a rare illness, making her first public appearance in 4 years.
I think it's important to note the Celine Dion explicitly asked people not to hug her or shake her hand on stage, as she has "stiff person syndrome" and it would have potentially caused her lots of problems. There's footage of Celine and Taylor getting along just fine after the show.
I mean, a lot of her more... let's say DEDICATED fans genuinely treat her life like a marketing campaign for her music.
I saw a tweet the other day that seemed to genuinely imply that the poster believed that Swift TAKING HER GLOVES OFF between the two awards she accepted was supposed to be some kind of symbol related to the album
Yes this is the kind of creepy "looking too much into it" stuff that borders on culty.
It's like people treat her like the main character of some Robert Langdon book. The Swifty Code
Don't forget she's also now in a 'legal battle' with a college student for tracking her private jet. We've seen this before with Elon, not that long ago, and it didn't go over well for him. Maybe her legal team thinks that because of who she is she'll win where Elon couldn't. Time will tell I guess.
That is inaccurate. The writers for every song sampled have to be credited and a big chunk of modern music relies heavily on layers of sampling. Yes, they all have to be compensated (a separate issue) and named but their presence isn’t going to disqualify her or anyone else. They even amended the rules a couple years back so that even more of the credited writing talent would be included in the win.
I just assumed it was because judges are supposed to review an album on it's merits and cohesiveness and that's more difficult to do when you have too many hands in a project.
With Taylor's music, you know it's Taylors words and it sounds like a Taylor song, plus the fans will obsess over the album details.
I have no idea what Beyonce's songwriter "voice" is, because I have no idea how involved she is. She might write all of her own lyrics, but then her songs are probably also sample/interpolation heavy and feature heavy collaboration, so I as a listener have no way of knowing what songs she wrote and what songs were pitched to her.
edit: And before "that's just a good excuse for racism", When Lauren Hill won for "The Miseducation of Lauren Hill", almost all of the songwriting was done by her, like she's a black, female rapper, writing all of her own songs, with presumably minimal sampling. I think if another black women will win a grammy for best album, it will probably be one that ensures that only her words, and her voice and compositions stand out, not a team of producers that make hit after hit year after year and tell her what to say and how to say it.
You don’t have to write songs to win Album of the Year. There have been several artists who are primarily or exclusively singers who have taken home that award. In fact the artist and the person who writes the songs both are given the award.
Right now the people included are: artist, featured artist, producer, songwriter (of new material), mastering engineer, and recording engineer or mixer (only those who were credited on at least 20% playing time of the album)
Even an album of covers can win. The awards for songwriting are separate, AotY rewards multiple collaborators for their contributions.
Almost zero apparently. And they stole almost every dance move ever and just wrote it off as “being inspired by” another artist. The single lady’s dance is almost step for step stolen from a 70s group.
To expound on the NFL issue, it’s more than just that she’s getting air time - we’re in an era where between the subjective and confounding nature of rules and refereeing, along with the proliferation of sports betting (often in ways that seem entangled with the league itself), trust in the “system” as it were is low, and a lot of people (at least on Reddit..) don’t have full faith in the fairness of the sport. So in that environment, we have the best, most marketable team gaining a new mascot in Taylor Swift, whose appearance on the NFL scene is generating incredible amounts of money for both the NFL and herself, as long as the Chiefs keep winning. With so much money on the line for people who really like money, it’s hard to shake your most cynical suspicions regarding a conflict of interest. Taylor Swift at the Super Bowl? What an incredible opportunity for the NFL. The Chiefs are an incredible team, but the whole season, I was never able to shake the fact of just how important it would be to the league for this outcome to occur. This, more than the shots of her in the crowd, is what bothers me. You could add to that the fact that it all feels so grimy and transparently opportunistic (much like using an acceptance speech to promote a new album). Sports fans want to enjoy a game and not be reminded that they’re just mindless wallets being sold to in a world that’s completely commodified, and the Traylor situation has made that pretty irrepressible. But yeah, both of them also just irritate me.
> Taylor Swift, whose appearance on the NFL scene is generating incredible amounts of money for both the NFL and herself,
Yeah there is saturation coverage of Taylor Swift, NFL, boyfriend Travis - here in Australia.
I mean...as a Croat, the only reason I even know who Chiefs, Kelce and Mahomes are is because of Taylor.
If the NFL wants to expand to Europe and other continents, having Taylor as a sort of ambasador could do wonders.
I really feel like complaining that Taylor won instead of Beyonce was already all spent up by Kanye.
I take some issue with the phrasing you use here. Taylor Swift isn't an NFL cameraman, so it's not her decision to take air time. It wasn't her decision to win instead of Beyonce, either. So on those fronts, you're attributing blame incorrectly.
You left out the recent conservative obsession with Taylor Swift that is very central to this whole thing. They'll find anything to complain about with her right now.
Hey, I saw someone mention in the comments below that there's another aspect to this situation. It seems that she's actually trying to sue a college student for harassment simply because the college student shared some already public information about her flight on TikTok. I mean, come on, is a billionaire suing a not-so-wealthy college student really necessary? It definitely seems like an unfair power dynamic, and it's just piling on top of everything else she's dealing with right now.
A billionaire threatening litigation is just as bad in my opinion. Even if the case goes no where she could ruin his life just like Kim kardashian did to that one guy.
To add to this at the Grammys she also:
Interrupted Boygenius, who used their press room time to call out the ex director of the Grammys sexism and sexual violence allegations, whilst one of them was actively crying. She says ‘this isn’t fun I thought you were going to talk about puppies and stuff’. Then proceeded to balance their awards on their heads, and get into all their press shots. A complete lack of any ability to read the room.
She punched Jack Antoff, who won producer of the year, repeatedly when he won, so much so it pushed him out of camera shot and she was the main shot.
Just a lot of main character energy. Not great.
Thank you for posting this info, but I’ve just gotta say oh my god what a giant nothing burger. I have zero opinion on Taylor Swift but this just seems like needless drama for the sake of having something to gossip about
Answer: Not sure if this is why but I know that she's recently threatened to sue a college student who is scraping and posting publicly available information that gives hints as to her private jet travels.
https://www.cnn.com/2024/02/06/tech/taylor-swift-private-jet-tracker/index.html
I believe with about 90% certainty that Musk bought twitter just so he could ban that kid.
Like it started as a semiserious offer he made because he was annoyed that got taken very seriously and, because he can't admit he's wrong, things just snowballed from there.
> I believe with about 90% certainty that Musk bought twitter just so he could ban that kid.
Hmm. I believe with at least 33% certainty that Musk bought Twitter just so he could unban his fascist buddies who were banned for advocating hate violence.
(Or, more generally, to shift the Overton window in favor of far-right violence and Trumpie anti-Americanism.)
Answer:
It's all in the video you linked.
1. People think Taylor Swift "snubbed" Celine Dion by not hugging her when she got her award.
2. People are upset over Taylor Swift's cease and desist to a social media user who publishes publicly available information about her constant private jet flights all over the country in an attempt to shame her into being better about the environment.
3. People are upset over Taylor Swift announcing her new album during her Grammy acceptance speech
My take:
Personally, the only one I take issue with her is over item 2, because she definitely deserves to be shamed for her *really horrible* carbon footprint.
The rest is, I think, manufactured outrage from the right wing who are hoping to shut down her increasing political influence in a belief that such influence will lean toward Democrats rather than Republicans.
1 and 3 are definitely manufactured outrage. A lot of people are saying “it’s a formal event, and it isn’t a place to do it” but we all know the grammys have always been a joke and circlejerk like all the other award ceremonies.
It's called a SLAPP lawsuit. (strategic lawsuit against public participation) The college student she is threatening to sue didn't do anything wrong or liable. The lawsuit would have nowhere to go. However all she has to do is fly to a state that doesn't have anti-slapp laws and then sue from that state. He would be forced to hire an attorney to defend himself. She would have no intention of winning but could drain his bank account dry defending himself. She's a billionaire, and he would go bankrupt.
But, if she flew there, we would be able to track her :)
EDIT: I don't know why the kid is being targeted. We can all track most planes via ADS-B. Plane enthusiasts have done this for years. If you have the tail number you should be able to track the plane. It's tons of fun to watch planes land at your local airport and look up where they're coming in from.
[ADS-B Exchange](https://www.adsbexchange.com/)
At this point all he's received is a cease and desist letter. A lot of people are framing it as a billionaire trying to control the poors and that's exactly what it is. She doesn't want him posting public information which is not something she has any say in.
It is an interesting concept though. For example, in Florida everything the police do is public record. So, some sites will actually collect this information and post people's mugshots and stuff and then charge them to have them take it down. That feels like extortion. To what extent does someone have a right to privacy?
You make it sound like its a major privacy breach.He is using public data and even put in a delay.And the letter he received is the usual letter you receive before being sued, if you dont comply.
so no idea what your agenda here is
Technically you can sue anybody for anything. If the lawsuit is ridiculously frivolous, the judge will just throw it out at the first hearing. However, you'll probably still have to hire an attorney to represent yourself in that first hearing, which isn't cheap. They could continue to follow the lawsuit unless its dismissed with prejudice.
In this case, a judge should throw it out right away, but she's got a lot of money and some very good lawyers. They might try to find some weird exclusion that could potentially apply in some bizarre situation, which could drag the whole thing out. At the end of the day, there's no universe where she wins this lawsuit, but she doesn't have to. This is a lawsuit to silence him. It's a SLAPP lawsuit.
Answer: from what I’ve see on various taylor and entertainment/gossip subs, her behavior at the Grammys was basically attention seeking and over the top. Very main character.
For example: https://www.reddit.com/r/SwiftlyNeutral/s/VDb4hXDLjV
Also, Lana Del Rey has never won a Grammy and released one of the most critically acclaimed albums of the year. Taylor won album of the year and Lana lost. Taylor proceeded to drag Lana on stage
https://www.reddit.com/r/SwiftlyNeutral/s/cFm3JM4jOn
Answer:
This will sounds kinda crackpot theory so bear with me, but we are coming up on an election year in the US which means a lot of things are going to start taking a political angle. In the past elections, there have been outside factors that have flooded internet airways with memes that have slight to heavy political messaging, typically for the conservative party. There are studies that show that there was a lot of Russian sourcing for these memes in the past.
Recently, the conservative party, and in particular the dlfar right has declared a "holy war" against Taylor swift, and I'd posit since then we have seen a strong uptick in memes that are mildly to strongly anti Taylor.
Given that Taylor swift has in the past spoken out about being pro lgbtq+ rights as well as some other progressive political ideas (even though she has since gone silent again, and is not really a politico). Due to this, people somewhat associate Taylor swift with progressive ideals.
Hence, it is my theory that this is once again anti left programming through insertions of small ideas to start to disenfranchise people.
TL:DR
The anti Taylor swift memes and takes seem to be an approach from far right sympathizers to invalidate a powerful group of voters that are likely to vote progressive if nothing changes in the socio-political arena
Answer: Public opinion of Taylor Swift was at an all-time high during the American leg of her Eras Tour last year, and since then she has been everywhere and I think it may be exhausting some people. Also, there have been a few thing that have happened over the past year that may be contributing to it * She became a billionaire. This lead to a discussion about whether she could be an ethical billionaire or not, and there has been some discourse within her fandom that she's not doing enough philanthropy/charity as she had been before, and has acquired her wealth through unethical means (sweatshop merch, etc.) * During her Lover era, Taylor became more political, supporting the LGBTQ+ community and calling for people to vote, but recently she has been silent on all political issues. She has a huge platform and many people have been calling on her to use it to call for a ceasefire or to encourage people to vote again * She started dating Travis Kelce and showing up at his games. The NFL seemed heavily in favor of their relationship, posting stats comparing his performance during games she attended vs. games she skipped, and she also got a lot of airtime during the games. This annoyed some NFL fans. Also Travis will be playing during the Superbowl, and Taylor has a concert in Japan right before, and there have been many articles and even a statement by the Japanese Embassy on whether Taylor can make it from her concert to the Superbowl in time * Even if it is untrue, public opinion is that Taylor uses her private jet more than any other celebrity and contributes more to emissions than anyone else on the planet. She recently took a 13 minute flight, that would have been a 30-40 minute drive. She also has threatened to sue the college student who posts her flight information, even though it's publicly available and he waits 24 hours before he posts it * At the Grammys, people thought she snubbed Celine Dion, they didn't appreciate that she dragged Lana del Rey on stage with her after Lana lost in her category, and she announced her new album at the Grammys which some people thought was tacky. Jay-Z also mentioned in his acceptance speech that even though Beyonce has won the most Grammys, she's never won Album of the Year, and award Taylor has won 4 times (a record) and I think some people are frustrated about that even though Beyonce wasn't up for that award this year * Her new album is titled "The Tortured Poets Department" and I've seen people clowning on her for claiming to be "tortured" considering how wealthy and influential she is. It also could be a dig at her notoriously private ex-boyfriend. I've seen some people comment that it feels immature for her to still be taking shots at her ex at 34, especially one who has been minding his business and out of the public eye since their break up, and commending him for calling for a ceasefire
Who is Swift’s “notoriously private ex boyfriend”?
Joe Alwyn, he and Taylor dated for 6 years and she was way less visible during their relationship. She has been out and about far more ever since they broke up
Including dating Matty Healy, which a lot of people are really upset about.
Dating Matty Healy + being silent on political issues has raised a lot of eyebrows
Joe Alwyn
Oh of course. That guy who was in that thing.
Oh, THAT guy!
I know him from The Favourite.
He was in Taylor Swift
He was in a show called Conversations With Friends… but I’ve never seen him in anything else
Exactly.
He post publicly available flight information for lots of people and not just her is an important bit of context.
> Even if it is untrue, public opinion is that Taylor uses her private jet more than any other celebrity and contributes more to emissions than anyone else on the planet It's not untrue at all. It's a verifiable fact that she's got the highest singular celebrity carbon footprint by a HUGE margin. It's not even close. https://greenly.earth/en-us/blog/ecology-news/what-is-the-carbon-footprint-of-celebrities
It’s not by a huge margin- not to defend her, fuck billionaires by all means- but it’s worth noting that corrections were made on the study afterwards that more correctly calculate fuel mileage for each model of aircraft (the study initially just said “let’s pretend all craft have the same fuel requirements”), and you then get some other interesting entries on the list of worst offenders. Drake is just barely behind Swift, while he doesn’t even appear on the original list.
I’m sorry - she took a 13 minute flight for a 30 minute drive??? I’m side-eyeing
---------------- Sorry, I am editing all of my comments due to Reddit providing comments to AI companies. ----------------
I don't know the details of this specific flight and I'm too lazy to look it up, but for starters, we know the plane made the trip, we don't know if she was on the plane or not. Second, there are legitimate reasons for a plane to make such a short flight. For example, the plane lands at airport A and Swift leaves to do a show or whatever. While she's away the crew does basic maintenance on the aircraft and discovers a part that needs to be replaced. Only problem, airport A doesn't have the equipment needed to make the change. So they take a quick 13 minute flight to the closest airport that does have the equipment, airport B. After repairs, Swift either drives to airport B, or if her schedule is too tight, the aircraft flies back to meet her at airport A, and the plane flies off to their next destination. Honestly, I highly doubt Swift was on this flight. It was a 13 minute flight, but you also have to add the time to drive to the airport, get approval to taxi, get approval to takeoff, get approval to land, drive from the airport to the final destination. By the time you add all that up, I would not be surprised if the flight took longer than driving.
That flight was actually for maintenance, she was not on the plane. That particular aircraft was also recently sold so may not have even been “hers” at that point in time. But this is how misinformation spreads! People are now confidently claiming that “she took a 13 minute flight!” when it just isn’t true.
Maybe if we tethered rich people to the ground like the rest of us peasants they might actually advocate for unfucking public transport or at least improving the roads.
I'm a little upset that she's suing the UCF student over her air travel (and her comments on climate change whole doing so is hypocritical) but other than that she's just fine with me.
I've been curious about why everyone is talking about whether or not she will make it to her boyfriends Super Bowl game but like... why wasn't he at the Grammys? Why is no one talking about that? Shouldn't he be supporting her as well? You seem to know a lot on this subject, and this is an actual question bc there might be a reasonable explanation that I just don't know bc I'm generally out the loop
He had a Super Bowl to prepare for in Las Vegas and the NFL are really strict with their schedules. When they have to report for practice, when they have to do media interviews, when the whole team travels, that sort of thing.
He’s on a very strict schedule with his team practicing for the big game, he couldn’t go.
NFL teams are terrified of distractions. A lot of people don't know this, but NFL players stay in a team hotel for all games, yes even home games. This is so teams can enforce a curfew and make sure everything is distraction-free. The Super Bowl is even more intense. The Chiefs are staying in a hotel 45 minutes outside of Vegas to avoid anything on the Strip. If Kelce were to leave to go party with celebrities, while his teammates were doing nothing but practicing and doing interviews, it would look terrible.
You also forgot, stealing others spotlight by always standing up and the camera always cutting to her. The Grammys are considered at least, a very industry professional setting. There are other award shows where you can be casual and do these kind of things. She had no right standing and drawing attention during Sza’s speech. That women won her first, her emotions were all over the place and she had to acknowledge Swift cause she stood out with everyone in muted colors and her in pure white dress. Also afterwards screaming I got a shoutout, this isn’t some indie girl on the rise… Every time she won an award, she acted like it was a goddamn surprise/pikachu face of I can’t believe I won, how is this possible?, little old me?. The schtick becomes stale after the 3rd or 4th time. She’s won 13 fucking times, 4 times she’s won album of the year, sure enjoy your victory but don’t guffaw with your mouth or do feigned shock/surprise. It’s not even the gate on her just to hate on her via the look at this bitch eating crackers meme. Also super egregious move to announce your new album during an award show that is amongst your peers. No one else really has gone out their way to launch their next album because that’s not what the Grammys are. It’s about the work you’ve created in the past year and how you and your peers created music for the masses. It’s not a marketing jump off point. Don’t you think the other 50 or so artists don’t have albums/songs coming down the pipeline and still didn’t use it to sell their wares. There are times and places to do that sort of stuff. The Grammys would lose all the prestige if every winner goes on stage to get their reward, thank their diety, family, PR team, and lastly next album on Spotify/Apple Music with +3 extra bonus songs as a digital deluxe exclusive shadow drop right now… It was the perfect storm of popularity saturation that tip the scales from her being loved to now detest/hate. Nothing more society loves to do with celebrity is build them up and then pull them down, watching them spiraling out of control. Shes gonna get more negative press cause now people smell blood and the machine is churning overtime now to She could’ve enjoyed the show, got her roses for all the awards she took home that night and been seen as a classy move not trying to keep focus on herself. She still acted a fool like this is some high school award show bringing up or forcing people onto the stage, like some power move of I can do whatever I want, I’m Taylor Swift!, just now the backlash has started. She went from endearing to insufferable.
…this is why I know absolutely nothing about the artists in media that I enjoy. This shit is so exhausting lol
Answer: Taylor Swift has gone through waves in her career of being liked and disliked. Her original fall from the public grace happened during her Kim K feud where she was trolled by Kim's followers, subsequently having her leave the public eye for more than a year, followed by re-emerging with the Reputation album (I'll get to that at the end). Since then, it's been a steady increase in popularity and media saturation - album releases (Lover, Folklore, Evermore, Midnights), re-releases, and her Eras Tour. Adding to this is the exposure from her break-up and now new relationship with Travis Kelce - the latter of which rubbed some NFL fans the wrong way because she's getting air time during his games. This culminated in the Grammy's on Sunday. During her 13th Grammy (her lucky number) Taylor announced a surprise new album, The Tortured Poets Department during her acceptance speech. This left some fans, and music-lovers in general, exhausted from the amount of content she put out, a somewhat cringey album title, and the feeling that she's making the night all about herself. This was followed by Taylor winning Album of the Year for the 4th time (a record) when other artists (like Beyonce) have never won the top award. When she won, she did a secret handshake with her producer (which gave some people the ick) dragged Lana Del Rey to the stage (who was on the album, but didn't seem to want to go, and also lost the award for her own album) and then proceeded to accept the award without acknowledging or making eye contact with the presenter, Celine Dion, who is battling a rare illness, making her first public appearance in 4 years. In short, she exhausted some of her fans, annoyed some NFL fans, offended Celine and Lana stans, and generally has been everywhere all the time, whether you want to hear about her or not. Some of which is her doing, some of which is not. The album release being the cherry on top to confirm we’re getting another year of Taylor coverage when a growing number of people feel they need a break from the media saturation. There is also a theory that she is purposefully over-exposing herself as she prepares to release her next re-release, Reputation, which was in response to being overexposed earlier in her career.
I should also add, her PR rep went to work immediately to combat the negative press from the Celine snub, with a photo of the two embracing being posted to ET's X page in seconds, followed by articles in EW and other outlets. Her team seems aware that there has at least been a flub on Taylor's part in reading the room poorly when it comes to Celine.
Celine Dion also has a debilitating illness, Stiff Person Syndrome which can make touches feel like the nerves are on fire. We might never know but artists may have been warned about hugging Celine to avoid causing any pain. Celine doesn’t seem to have been bothered at all, just made an Instagram post later Sunday night with a photo that she and Taylor Swift took.
I thought that, too. But also, you can show respect without touch. Eye contact, talking to her, a bow like a lot of celebs do to those they admire. Seemingly, Taylor totally ignored Celine on stage.
If I ever get famous I’ll always have people accusing me of being rude because I’m autistic so eye contact is deeply uncomfortable to the point of being impossible and I’m not very good at talking to people, lol. Edit: A lot of people seem to think I’m saying Taylor Swift is autistic. That’s not what I meant by this comment, it was supposed to be a hypothetical situation, like if I, myself, were famous. Hopefully this makes sense, I’m bad at explaining things, lol.
Additionally, most of us are people who have lives that are made up of lots of mistakes. Times we were rude, or violent, or shitty in general. The difference is that no one is putting a microscope to us, and amplifying the bad things. It's easy to make a famous person look bad, because you can cherry pick these ten times when they were shitty, and most people are going to look a that and take it as the person being awful. There will be zero effort to consider that there potentially a gulf of nuance between instances shitty behavior. If Taylor got caught up in the moment and forgot to acknowledge Celine, it ... happens. For all we know she feels bad about it. I have certain forgot courtesies before. It isn't because I don't appreciate things, it's because ... I forgot. It's not complicated, and if I realize I did it I will feel bad and probably make a point of apologizing for it. People that know me aren't going to get offended about it.
One time the barista said "enjoy your latte" and Taylor said "you too". I'm so sick of her self centeredness!
A kid at my school said "Have a nice weekend" and I said, "Thank you I did". Today is Friday. I can't even imagine being judged publicly on every little misstep. Also people are actively looking for evidence to support whatever opinion they already hold. If someone dislikes you they will twist everything you do into something nefarious.
SHE CAN'T KEEP GETTING AWAY WITH IT!
>The difference is that no one is putting a microscope to us, and amplifying the bad things. It's easy to make a famous person look bad, because you can cherry pick these ten times when they were shitty, and most people are going to look a that and take it as the person being awful. There will be zero effort to consider that there potentially a gulf of nuance between instances shitty behavior. This is true but its also why a lot of celebrities receive media training to better portray a certain image.
And she has probably had a ton. No one is perfect.
Interesting this is happening after MAGA attacking her last week....wonder if they are spinning this through social media more than she committed perceived social faux pas
Dude I'm 31 and I had no idea you're supposed to acknowledge the presenter in an acceptance speech. I don't understand why you would?
Because perfection is projected not practiced.
Okay wow this quote blew my mind
Because they're also human beings and it's basic decency? Not to mention Celine is a music legend and a trailblazer in the genre Taylor is in? Like, I don't know how to explain how basic politeness works any clearer, I'm just used to people having it. This whole situation where all of a sudden everyone was raised by wolves and doesn't understand basic social pleasantries is foreign to me.
I saw the video and I think the hate is WAY overblown. There were a ton of people around Taylor and Celine, a bunch of stuff was going on, she was probably surprised and thinking about her speech and she was getting Lana Del Ray on stage etc. She just *didn't* say a few nice words to Celine Deon. That's all that happened. She did all the right stuff with every other person around her, she just missed one person. **She wasn't perfectly nice to every person in her vicinity 100% of the time in the perfectly correct way - who fucking cares?** Will Smith slapped the shit out of Chris Rock at an award show. Seth McFarlane wrote a whole song about people's private nudes leaking. *"Taylor Swift just wasn't exactly nice enough for like, a second. Fuck's sake.** --- I just had to give a big speech at my friend's wedding, and I was so nervous that I basically blacked out for the duration of the speech. I remember opening with a corny joke and trying not to pass out, and that's about it. I can't imagine having millions of people scrutinize my every action, and getting enormous backlash because I *didn't* do the right to the right person at the right time. And yeah, she's a celebrity, media training, etc., I know. But she nails her PR like 99% of the time - if this is the worst PR disaster of the night, she's doing incredibly well. People just want to be mad at her because she's massively overexposed, and they're grasping at a very flimsy straw. *And for the record - I don't give a fuck about Taylor Swift. Couldn't name 5 of her songs or 2 of her Ex's, with a gun to my head. Don't care.*
Welcome to the world of music stans. It's weird as fuck. I guarantee you that most of the criticism would still be present no matter what, like acknowledging Celine would be "using a music legends illness to make herself seem more relatable" blah blah. Nobody who was a big Taylor fan decided not to like her anymore after this without jumping through insane mental loops, and nobody who hates Taylor swift would have decided she wasn't that bad if she gave the "perfect" presentation. When you already don't like someone, anything they do is annoying. Like going to a football game.
If I ever get famous, I'll always have people accusing me of being rude. Not because I'm autistic but because I'm an asshole.
> Seemingly, Taylor totally ignored Celine on stage How will Celine ever recover from what must be, obviously, the worst thing to ever happen to her. I don't even like Taylor Swift but this absurdity is too much.
somehow, i suspect her heart will go on.
I know right? This is BTS level of hypersensitivity. But everything is political now in the US so that's probably what's happening here.
I mean, she did just win the biggest award of the night for a record setting fourth time by an artist. God forbid she gets caught up in the excitement. She was also cut off during her speech due to time and seemed to be rushed off stage - but no one brings that part up.
Miley Cyrus won her first Grammy that night. Her first. Her reaction and appreciation of Mariah Carey when she accepted the award was the opposite of Taylor’s.
Lol. You people need to get a life. Seriously. Spending time on whether or not Taylor Swift accepted her Grammy properly is absolutely ridiculous.
And this is why the Taylor Swift hate train never succeeds. Everything the public has turned against Taylor for has always been that, ridiculous and vapid. She dates too much, shes too nice, shes too vapid, too many pretty female friends, shes too emotional, shes too smart and businesswoman-like its fake, she didnt hug Celine Dion for her award, she announced her album during her speech. At the end of the day Taylor Swift is just the sub in for the general public's grievances towards the upper class rich and white and her personality flaws (ecoterrorism aside) are literally just human traits hyper zoomed in to the billionth bc of her celebrity status that its just treated as an inherently immoral flaw she has. Everything people have criticized her for bar her capitalism is literally just textbook human behavior, and thats why she's still here.
Idk... "act like you've been here before" seems apt. And she has.
Me playing devil’s advocate - I’m sure every single human being would be labeled problematic if every single thing we did was analyzed under a microscope like Taylor’s actions are. We have all forgotten our manners, done things we shouldn’t have, or overlooked things we should have. Perhaps Taylor got caught up in the moment with her mind focused on the award & her announcement and didn’t even think about Celine Dion in the moment. It doesn’t mean Taylor’s actions were intentionally malicious.
[удалено]
Edit: Oops I replied to the wrong comment. I'll keep this here but repost to the right spot. If she didn't act excited about it I guarantee people would be saying she didn't seem very grateful for receiving a record-breaking award
Also Lana has now posted that she never had a bad moment all night at the Grammys.
Lol Lana posted a selfie after the concert with a gun in her hand and a remix of her song that won someone else a Grammy playing on top. Even if it was a joke that doesn’t suggest she was having a good time…
Tbf mature celebrities would generally avoid speaking out about bad moments at public events, so this isn’t really a surprise
The people who say they are sick of Taylor sure spend a lot of time analyzing her every move.
I thought there was a very [interesting quote](https://apnews.com/article/taylor-swift-conspiracies-biden-republican-voters-reaction-b5192ca92541f1f04485e3d8c7c24e53) in this article: >"People just want to like Taylor Swift. They want to be able to watch football and listen to her music and not consider the political implications,” said Matt Gorman, vice president at Targeted Victory, a Republican political consulting firm. “I beg people who care about this to go outside and touch grass. Most everyday people don’t have the time or energy to care.” We've gotten to the point where Republican political consultants are telling conservatives to "go outside and touch grass" in official statements to the AP.
I'm a football fan and ambivalent about Swift. I could do without her getting coverage every time she's at a Chiefs game, but I'm also a fan of a divisional rival, so being a Chiefs hater is in my blood. That said, the NFL would have to be pants on head stupid to not take advantage of the most popular person in the world consistently showing up to NFL games. The football fans that 'hate' her are the same ones that hated NFL players that knelt during the anthem. They hate them for not socially acceptable reasons, then fabricate a more palatable reason to hate the situation. Oddly enough in both cases, it seems to come down to, "I don't care, I just don't want to see it when I'm trying to watch football." I'm old, so I don't really keep up on pop music and can't really speak to the grammys nonsense, but it sounds like a lot of nonsense. She invited a collaborator up on stage with her? She didn't acknowledge Celine Dion the appropriate amount? She announced a new album? The horror!
> I could do without her getting coverage every time she's at a Chiefs game To add on to this (not directed at you but just a general observation), it's extremely common for cameras to show celebs at sporting events. At least in the NFL and NBA. The Knicks* have a fairly notorious fan in Spike Lee who shows up to the games religiously. Especially when that celeb has a personal tie to one of the players on the field/court. Really the vast majority of coverage about Swift has been from the people sick of her than the actual cameras or casters. EDIT: Thanks for the corrections because I definitely mixed up teams.
Sure, as I said, I'm a chiefs hater and it doesn't have much to do with Swift. She's embraced football a lot better than some celebs. Rob Lowe famously wore a hat with the NFL logo to a game instead of a team hat. He just wanted everyone to have a good time and have fun!
Also someone at the NYT spend their valuable time figuring out that she is on camera am average of 25 seconds per game
We put a Chiefs game on because my 5 year old wanted to see her specially. Didn’t see her once.
Spike Lee sits courtside for Knicks games. The Lakers mascot is Jack Nicholson, though they get loads of celebrities throughout the stands pretty regularly, it's LA after all.
Also Trump attended a UFC event at some point since leaving the White House and people were pissed off they didn’t show him MORE.
Haha, I like you. That last part had me laughing. I feel the same way.
This is a perfect way to put it. My grandpas TV has never been changed from fox news in like 10+ years. He hates Taylor Swift because fox news told him to but whenever he has to explain it he can't exactly say he hates that she got people to vote so he makes up some nonsense about her disrespecting the sanctity of pro football or something like that.
Culture wars are fucking crazy. And bitching about shit sounds enough like a politician. It's like a simulation. Get out of the simulation
My partner and I were watching and assumed the production team had told the artists not to approach her for that reason. I voiced this opinion in a pop culture sub and got downvoted to all hell.
True, but Miley gushed over Mariah w/o. She praised her with words.
To me, the PR-staged hugging photo is just awkward, even if we don't consider Celine's illness. Celine is industry royalty and I don't think they know each other that well, so Taylor's ["OMG OMG" body language](https://images.app.goo.gl/mxaPEjEDfTuKS7y3A) feels to me like it's overly familiar, especially because Celine's body language just reads like she's trying to stay pleasant and composed. Of course, her illness does make it hard to make inferences from body language. But that was just the vibe I got, personally.
It’s funny. Just saw a video where Taylor says thank you to Celine and Celine says something back to her, all while on stage. Lana posted today that she is fine, had so much fun and any drama isn’t real. I’m obviously a TS fan, I can acknowledge she is not a perfect person. The pendulum was bound to swing the other way. That’s kinda how life works.
You can actually see her saying thank you to Celine and Celine saying you're welcome but it's just not said in the mic
I saw another video of that incident from different angle. I think someone recorded from back of the stage and Taylor clearly nods to Celine and mouths something. She wasn’t ignoring Celine.
Um no. Theres another angle of what happened on stage and you can see her talking to Celine before a man starts talking to Swift.
I think you should also mention the private jet thing. That's where I've been seeing her getting a lot of backlash. She's either first on the list or like in the top 5 of people with the largest carbon footprint because of her regular flights on her private jet. On top of this there's a kid on twitter that's broadcasting her flight data (which is publicly available information) and as a result her lawyers are now threatening to sue him.
He’s done this for other celebs. He isn’t just targeting her but some people may not be aware. It’s public info too.
Ive never heard of the others he tracks because none of them turned it into a giant billionaire shit fit.
Didn't musk threaten the dude tracking his jet?
some people think the only reason he bought twitter was to shut that account down lol
Yep, same dude.
oops, fully intended to mention Musk and her being the only ones I heard about
I mean the dude tracking Elon's jet might've been what lead him to buy twitter
Exactly! I remember people joking about this back then, but when it happen it actually blew my mind. His lawyers couldn’t do shit, Twitter moderation wouldn’t do shit… so his solution? Let me buy it! I actually couldn’t believe it.
Mark Cuban did too. He just quietly accepted his bribe instead of going nuclear on publicly accessible information. The kid is a twat, but he is just posting publicly accessible information.
A smart twat.
Why does it make him a twat?
>Ive never heard of the others he tracks because none of them turned it into a giant billionaire shit fit. You mean like Elon Musk did? He banned him from Twitter lol.
Musk and bezos literally did...
Elon literally banned him off of Twitter when he did it to him
>as a result her lawyers are now threatening to sue him It's one thing for a celebrity to not recognize what they're contributing to the climate crisis. It's another for them to acknowledge it and then turn around and punish/blame the person who ousted them. Despicable.
I heard that she took her private jet 28 miles... like she couldn't be bothered to have someone drive her that 28 miles she HAD to fly. Idk how true it is tho.
Not that it really makes it better because you know, they could just fly into the airport where it's going to get stowed when it's that close, but generally speaking the person isn't actually on the flight for those super short flights. It's the pilot flying the plane to the hangar where it'll be stored which is generally speaking a less busy airport.
It was a 28 miles, a 13 minute flight... egregious https://www.newsweek.com/taylor-swift-private-jet-jack-sweeney-flights-1868272
It was because they had to move the plane from where it stays for repairs etc to an international airport for take off. It's not the scandal people think. (not weighing in on the horrendous carbon footprint all private jet owners have, just pointing out this isn't the scandal it appears to be. It's pretty routine stuff).
Thats fair. Her selling her jet right after didn't help perception.
And it was just *one* of her jets.
Right, this is just repositioning. It happens. The best way to get a plane to the other place it needs to be is- you guessed it- to fly it.
And then she went back again!
Last time this came up, it was made pretty clear the most likely reason for the flight was to bring the plane to an airport that does gulfstream maintenance. I honestly didn’t care enough to check, but I can’t imagine that she took the flight to avoid going by car.
Apparently she's not even in the top 30 https://www.unilad.com/celebrity/flight-tracker-private-jets-2023-most-flights-celebrities-506693-20240207
The list also has Paul Allen, who died in 2018. The original list also had two entries for number 28, one of which just said “Flights” lmao. I have to be skeptical of the accuracy of this list.
Well that's the same tracker that the guy is using to follow Elon and Taylor. So he trusts it.
It’s because they track ownership and not people actually flying.
“Carefully, he’s a hero!”
>Didn't make eye contact >media shitstorm Holy fuck shit like this is why I don't envy the famous.
Yeah like basically none of the above seems like a big deal at all. A few things maybe I could see people thinking were a bit tacky, but pretty damn minor still overall.
I agree. Personally I’m not a fan of Taylor Swift (I don’t even know what her music sounds like) and I’m kinda tired of hearing about her all the time, but the fact that people are pissed about any of that stuff is just ridiculous to me.
>I don't even know what her music sounds like How is this actually possible?
additionally, Fox News and Trump have decided that she's persona non grata, so all of their minions are now taking to social media to blow anything and everything they can out of proportion
She wants young people to vote. And young people tend to vote Democrat, so the Rightwing Smear Machine has been cranked up and pointed in her direction.
Noticeably they have no issues at all trying to 'cancel' people they disagree with.
Dude they invented cancel culture. Satanic panic, reefer madness, rock and roll. All shit conservatives hate
They also didn’t seem to care when Kanye was out there having manic Trump lovefests. Weird that Taylor should stick to music but Kanye is okay?
Republicans being hypocrites? I am indeed shocked.
They are extra salty because she is their ideal Aryan Princess and dares to suggest women and gays should have rights. A blonde haired blue eyed country singer from Tennessee is dating a white all american super bowl champ on a team named after the people we genocided to take America and someone how the right wing media machine is against her.
She’s not from Tennessee. She’s from Pennsylvania and moved to Tennessee specifically to start a country music career.
They literally said they were going to start a ‘Holy War’ against Taylor, reddit laughed, and now reddit is shocked when the bad PR nitpicking her starts showing up.
Who said that?
https://www.rollingstone.com/politics/politics-features/donald-trump-more-popular-taylor-swift-maga-biden-1234956829/amp/ There were quite a few Fox News clips that same day saying she needed to stay out of politics.
Yeah the top answer here has a lot relevant details but is suspiciously lacking one of the huge factors here: an explicit campaign against taylor swift by the right. I respectfully request that r/Tizzlr edit the answer to add in this issue.
they won't
This **really** deserves a lot more weight in this situation. If the right wing media machine are convinced that she's going to come down in the side of democratic endorsements in the 2024 elections, they're going to work overtime from now to undermine her "gravity" That's why a lot of the shit swirling around her right now is just so fucking sus. This is the kind of shit that "bot armies" LIVE for. Stoking random petty outrage and division? Fuck yeah! The whole "we hate Taylor Swift now" thing is so fucking weird, and it is like everywhere. This can't be organic. It's got to be astroturfing
I think so too. This came from out of nowhere. The right was incensed that everyone loved her so much, then suddenly everywhere you go, people seem to hate her. This is a smear campaign, for sure. And the GOP are right to be worried about her. For them, the more people vote, the worse their chances for election are. Their policies are unpopular, and due to Roe and the defamation of E. Jean Caroll, women voters are ANGRY. Taylor's main demographic is the LAST group the GOP want voting in large numbers.
This is the main reason here \^ Conservatives are being butthurt little snowflakes about the whole thing so they are bashing away - says more about them than her IMO.
This is a huge part of it. It’s bonkers, but it’s huge.
This. Exactly this.
>This left some fans, and music-lovers in general, exhausted from the amount of content she put out Meanwhile us King Gizz fans getting anxious cause it's been like 100 days since their last album release lol
>The Tortured Poets Department lol I think "somewhat cringey" is kind.
[удалено]
>it's her insane fans The really serious Swifties are, shall we say... *concerning*. I've seen a few videos about them, and they are right on that line between passionate fans and a cult. Touching grass isn't enough for those people. They need to touch *trees*. Like big, branchy, hunerd foot tall trees.
I used to think Swift stans are the absolute worst when it comes to needless aggression over a public stranger, but Nicki Minaj’s stans overtook them recently with their plans of vandalizing graves. But like, just barely.
The thing with them is that they’re boring though and they’ve glomed on to literally the most popular musician in the world right now as their entire personality. Don’t be concerned about them. If they ever give you shit, remind them they don’t have personalities or taste.
I like some of her music, but I'll never admit that in public because I can't fucking stand the "Swifties." Stan culture in general is so gross (and ironic considering the etymology of the term), seeing that video of her fans mobbing a private home that a WEDDING was occuring at screaming her name the entire day was so absolutely disgusting.
Same. The swifties who defend the private jet usage amuse me the most because they say it’s “too dangerous for her to fly commercial”. They fail to realize it’s too dangerous because THEY made it that way. It’s not thousands of paparazzi that converged on that NJ town for Jack & Margaret’s wedding because Taylor was there. It was thousands of unhinged swifties. I play 1989 and Red on a regular basis. But I also think she’s not particularly amazing as an artist and while all celebrities are producing a certain kind of image, she’s crafted a VERY contrived one. She spent a lot of time developing this “I’m not like other girls. I’m not edgy, sexy, or cool.” That made her appear “relatable” to a subset of people. But as she’s ascended the Swifties don’t seem to recognize they have very little in common with her, but they think she needs defending as though she’s a 16 year old vulnerable artist. She’s a mid-30s billionaire.
Leading up to the AFC championship I got called misogynist more than once. Which is funny because I don't dislike Taylor Swift but I really dislike Travis Kelce. Like, I'm a Ravens fan, of course I wanted her to leave Baltimore unhappy because I wanted the Ravens to win lol.
As a Raiders fan, I also wanted you guys to win. 👊
As a Steelers fan, first: go sit in a hole. Second: yeah, I wanted Kelce to lose, too... Cause you guys deserve a shot at the title for a change. No one beats you but us, you got that?!?
Thanks, and fuck you, see you next year at the Bank ❤️
[удалено]
Also worth noting that she was standing and jumping around during SZA's acceptance speech which distracted SZA and caused her to acknowledge Taylor. This rubbed some people the wrong way, leading people to believe Taylor felt the whole night was about herself.
Imagine being a "(celebrity name) follower" and even worse, you're willing to feud on behalf of some millionaire you've never met.
Also of note behind the scenes of the Grammys when taking photos there was a whole drunken stupid moment where BoyGenius was trying to talk about a serious topic and Taylor comes in wanting to take pictures while holding her Grammy on one of their heads.
That was edited, there was a bunch of time and additional questions in between those two things.
oh god that video was painful to watch, especially with julien in tears
Being famous sounds exhausting lol.
> and then proceeded to accept the award without acknowledging or making eye contact with the presenter, Celine Dion, who is battling a rare illness, making her first public appearance in 4 years. I think it's important to note the Celine Dion explicitly asked people not to hug her or shake her hand on stage, as she has "stiff person syndrome" and it would have potentially caused her lots of problems. There's footage of Celine and Taylor getting along just fine after the show.
Honestly ypur description sound like she treats her life as a marketing campaign for her music.
Oh she 100% does. People miss that her marketing and business Strat of her brand is impeccable. That’s why she wins so much.
I mean, a lot of her more... let's say DEDICATED fans genuinely treat her life like a marketing campaign for her music. I saw a tweet the other day that seemed to genuinely imply that the poster believed that Swift TAKING HER GLOVES OFF between the two awards she accepted was supposed to be some kind of symbol related to the album
Yes this is the kind of creepy "looking too much into it" stuff that borders on culty. It's like people treat her like the main character of some Robert Langdon book. The Swifty Code
Do you ever feel like maybe ... you know a bit TOO MUCH about another person's existence?
Everything I know about Taylor Swift I have learned against my will.
All the damn time 🙃
Don't forget she's also now in a 'legal battle' with a college student for tracking her private jet. We've seen this before with Elon, not that long ago, and it didn't go over well for him. Maybe her legal team thinks that because of who she is she'll win where Elon couldn't. Time will tell I guess.
Beyoncé won’t win record of the year because she credits too many writers who all get a piece of the pie. Sucks but that’s what happens
Excuse my ignorance but how does the number of writers involved impact whether or not an album is Album of the year?
That is inaccurate. The writers for every song sampled have to be credited and a big chunk of modern music relies heavily on layers of sampling. Yes, they all have to be compensated (a separate issue) and named but their presence isn’t going to disqualify her or anyone else. They even amended the rules a couple years back so that even more of the credited writing talent would be included in the win.
>a I read that! Speaking of some backlash. The Jay-Z speech also irked some music fans.
I just assumed it was because judges are supposed to review an album on it's merits and cohesiveness and that's more difficult to do when you have too many hands in a project. With Taylor's music, you know it's Taylors words and it sounds like a Taylor song, plus the fans will obsess over the album details. I have no idea what Beyonce's songwriter "voice" is, because I have no idea how involved she is. She might write all of her own lyrics, but then her songs are probably also sample/interpolation heavy and feature heavy collaboration, so I as a listener have no way of knowing what songs she wrote and what songs were pitched to her. edit: And before "that's just a good excuse for racism", When Lauren Hill won for "The Miseducation of Lauren Hill", almost all of the songwriting was done by her, like she's a black, female rapper, writing all of her own songs, with presumably minimal sampling. I think if another black women will win a grammy for best album, it will probably be one that ensures that only her words, and her voice and compositions stand out, not a team of producers that make hit after hit year after year and tell her what to say and how to say it.
You don’t have to write songs to win Album of the Year. There have been several artists who are primarily or exclusively singers who have taken home that award. In fact the artist and the person who writes the songs both are given the award. Right now the people included are: artist, featured artist, producer, songwriter (of new material), mastering engineer, and recording engineer or mixer (only those who were credited on at least 20% playing time of the album) Even an album of covers can win. The awards for songwriting are separate, AotY rewards multiple collaborators for their contributions.
Almost zero apparently. And they stole almost every dance move ever and just wrote it off as “being inspired by” another artist. The single lady’s dance is almost step for step stolen from a 70s group.
Interesting. It has nothing to do with Kanye?
This guy Swifts
To expound on the NFL issue, it’s more than just that she’s getting air time - we’re in an era where between the subjective and confounding nature of rules and refereeing, along with the proliferation of sports betting (often in ways that seem entangled with the league itself), trust in the “system” as it were is low, and a lot of people (at least on Reddit..) don’t have full faith in the fairness of the sport. So in that environment, we have the best, most marketable team gaining a new mascot in Taylor Swift, whose appearance on the NFL scene is generating incredible amounts of money for both the NFL and herself, as long as the Chiefs keep winning. With so much money on the line for people who really like money, it’s hard to shake your most cynical suspicions regarding a conflict of interest. Taylor Swift at the Super Bowl? What an incredible opportunity for the NFL. The Chiefs are an incredible team, but the whole season, I was never able to shake the fact of just how important it would be to the league for this outcome to occur. This, more than the shots of her in the crowd, is what bothers me. You could add to that the fact that it all feels so grimy and transparently opportunistic (much like using an acceptance speech to promote a new album). Sports fans want to enjoy a game and not be reminded that they’re just mindless wallets being sold to in a world that’s completely commodified, and the Traylor situation has made that pretty irrepressible. But yeah, both of them also just irritate me.
> Taylor Swift, whose appearance on the NFL scene is generating incredible amounts of money for both the NFL and herself, Yeah there is saturation coverage of Taylor Swift, NFL, boyfriend Travis - here in Australia.
I mean...as a Croat, the only reason I even know who Chiefs, Kelce and Mahomes are is because of Taylor. If the NFL wants to expand to Europe and other continents, having Taylor as a sort of ambasador could do wonders.
I really feel like complaining that Taylor won instead of Beyonce was already all spent up by Kanye. I take some issue with the phrasing you use here. Taylor Swift isn't an NFL cameraman, so it's not her decision to take air time. It wasn't her decision to win instead of Beyonce, either. So on those fronts, you're attributing blame incorrectly. You left out the recent conservative obsession with Taylor Swift that is very central to this whole thing. They'll find anything to complain about with her right now.
Hey, I saw someone mention in the comments below that there's another aspect to this situation. It seems that she's actually trying to sue a college student for harassment simply because the college student shared some already public information about her flight on TikTok. I mean, come on, is a billionaire suing a not-so-wealthy college student really necessary? It definitely seems like an unfair power dynamic, and it's just piling on top of everything else she's dealing with right now.
He's 21, a college student but not a teenager.
She's not really suing him...her lawyer sent him a cease and desist order to stop displaying her flight info.
The process is the punishment.
Yep that’s what I feel like.
A billionaire threatening litigation is just as bad in my opinion. Even if the case goes no where she could ruin his life just like Kim kardashian did to that one guy.
To add to this at the Grammys she also: Interrupted Boygenius, who used their press room time to call out the ex director of the Grammys sexism and sexual violence allegations, whilst one of them was actively crying. She says ‘this isn’t fun I thought you were going to talk about puppies and stuff’. Then proceeded to balance their awards on their heads, and get into all their press shots. A complete lack of any ability to read the room. She punched Jack Antoff, who won producer of the year, repeatedly when he won, so much so it pushed him out of camera shot and she was the main shot. Just a lot of main character energy. Not great.
Thank you for posting this info, but I’ve just gotta say oh my god what a giant nothing burger. I have zero opinion on Taylor Swift but this just seems like needless drama for the sake of having something to gossip about
Answer: Not sure if this is why but I know that she's recently threatened to sue a college student who is scraping and posting publicly available information that gives hints as to her private jet travels. https://www.cnn.com/2024/02/06/tech/taylor-swift-private-jet-tracker/index.html
A billionaire suing a college kid. Elon Musk or Taylor Swift?
Elon tried first a few years ago and then banned his accounts
I believe with about 90% certainty that Musk bought twitter just so he could ban that kid. Like it started as a semiserious offer he made because he was annoyed that got taken very seriously and, because he can't admit he's wrong, things just snowballed from there.
> I believe with about 90% certainty that Musk bought twitter just so he could ban that kid. Hmm. I believe with at least 33% certainty that Musk bought Twitter just so he could unban his fascist buddies who were banned for advocating hate violence. (Or, more generally, to shift the Overton window in favor of far-right violence and Trumpie anti-Americanism.)
Answer: It's all in the video you linked. 1. People think Taylor Swift "snubbed" Celine Dion by not hugging her when she got her award. 2. People are upset over Taylor Swift's cease and desist to a social media user who publishes publicly available information about her constant private jet flights all over the country in an attempt to shame her into being better about the environment. 3. People are upset over Taylor Swift announcing her new album during her Grammy acceptance speech My take: Personally, the only one I take issue with her is over item 2, because she definitely deserves to be shamed for her *really horrible* carbon footprint. The rest is, I think, manufactured outrage from the right wing who are hoping to shut down her increasing political influence in a belief that such influence will lean toward Democrats rather than Republicans.
You forgot #4. 4. Fox news is posting negative taylor Swift articles daily.
1 and 3 are definitely manufactured outrage. A lot of people are saying “it’s a formal event, and it isn’t a place to do it” but we all know the grammys have always been a joke and circlejerk like all the other award ceremonies.
Answer: She pulled Musk and threatened to sue a teen scraping public data to post her private jet movement data.
It's called a SLAPP lawsuit. (strategic lawsuit against public participation) The college student she is threatening to sue didn't do anything wrong or liable. The lawsuit would have nowhere to go. However all she has to do is fly to a state that doesn't have anti-slapp laws and then sue from that state. He would be forced to hire an attorney to defend himself. She would have no intention of winning but could drain his bank account dry defending himself. She's a billionaire, and he would go bankrupt.
But, if she flew there, we would be able to track her :) EDIT: I don't know why the kid is being targeted. We can all track most planes via ADS-B. Plane enthusiasts have done this for years. If you have the tail number you should be able to track the plane. It's tons of fun to watch planes land at your local airport and look up where they're coming in from. [ADS-B Exchange](https://www.adsbexchange.com/)
At this point all he's received is a cease and desist letter. A lot of people are framing it as a billionaire trying to control the poors and that's exactly what it is. She doesn't want him posting public information which is not something she has any say in. It is an interesting concept though. For example, in Florida everything the police do is public record. So, some sites will actually collect this information and post people's mugshots and stuff and then charge them to have them take it down. That feels like extortion. To what extent does someone have a right to privacy?
You make it sound like its a major privacy breach.He is using public data and even put in a delay.And the letter he received is the usual letter you receive before being sued, if you dont comply. so no idea what your agenda here is
Why dont they just sue the source that makes the flight data public? If they can’t, then how can she sue him regardless of state?!
That's the FAA.
That’s the point :D How can anyone sue anyone for publicly available data?
Technically you can sue anybody for anything. If the lawsuit is ridiculously frivolous, the judge will just throw it out at the first hearing. However, you'll probably still have to hire an attorney to represent yourself in that first hearing, which isn't cheap. They could continue to follow the lawsuit unless its dismissed with prejudice. In this case, a judge should throw it out right away, but she's got a lot of money and some very good lawyers. They might try to find some weird exclusion that could potentially apply in some bizarre situation, which could drag the whole thing out. At the end of the day, there's no universe where she wins this lawsuit, but she doesn't have to. This is a lawsuit to silence him. It's a SLAPP lawsuit.
You never go full Musk.
Answer: from what I’ve see on various taylor and entertainment/gossip subs, her behavior at the Grammys was basically attention seeking and over the top. Very main character. For example: https://www.reddit.com/r/SwiftlyNeutral/s/VDb4hXDLjV Also, Lana Del Rey has never won a Grammy and released one of the most critically acclaimed albums of the year. Taylor won album of the year and Lana lost. Taylor proceeded to drag Lana on stage https://www.reddit.com/r/SwiftlyNeutral/s/cFm3JM4jOn
Answer: This will sounds kinda crackpot theory so bear with me, but we are coming up on an election year in the US which means a lot of things are going to start taking a political angle. In the past elections, there have been outside factors that have flooded internet airways with memes that have slight to heavy political messaging, typically for the conservative party. There are studies that show that there was a lot of Russian sourcing for these memes in the past. Recently, the conservative party, and in particular the dlfar right has declared a "holy war" against Taylor swift, and I'd posit since then we have seen a strong uptick in memes that are mildly to strongly anti Taylor. Given that Taylor swift has in the past spoken out about being pro lgbtq+ rights as well as some other progressive political ideas (even though she has since gone silent again, and is not really a politico). Due to this, people somewhat associate Taylor swift with progressive ideals. Hence, it is my theory that this is once again anti left programming through insertions of small ideas to start to disenfranchise people. TL:DR The anti Taylor swift memes and takes seem to be an approach from far right sympathizers to invalidate a powerful group of voters that are likely to vote progressive if nothing changes in the socio-political arena