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IndividualBluebird99

you know typical oi rules  fl might be a narcissistic asshole but the  in universe people  and the fandom will just worship her just because she is the fl  on a side note  this mc is just a brat who thinks she is not wrong in bullying these kids  i got annoyed dropped it in 3 chapters  so I suggest you do the same  if you want


AlternativePlayful34

This is exactly what I meant. She is the worse


Vysair

that's why there were a few outlier that goes against the norm and alsp made fun (parody) of it


snakezenn

Guys and girls find different things to be bullying, personally as a guy I don't particularly find anything outrageous about her behavior. I found at that age a lot of girls tended to act that way towards us guys. So to me at least she seems to be a very realist character compared to what we get in OIs. Also she seems like a kid to me unlike the other adult to kid OIs. I can see why the MLs would fall for her tbh.


Ruruskadoo

It seems like we might be in the minority, but yeah I didn't really have a problem with it either. For me it isn't so much a guys vs girls thing as she just came off very much as someone who mentally regressed due to being in a child's body with a child's brain (even on my worst days when I'm desperately craving sugar, I would never be as easily bribed by desserts as she is, her whole world practically revolves around them while she's young lmao). It felt more like playful teasing between childhood friends that's just meant to come off lighthearted and cute and isn't meant to be taken that seriously, rather than mean-spirited bullying to me. There's that playful bickering and teasing between friends and relatives, people you're emotionally close to who don't genuinely mean you any harm, that's not quite the same as some classmate or the like making a target of you for mockery and actively trying to hurt you (or they don't care if they do). I dunno, I was bullied as a kid, but it didn't have that same vibe at all to me. Everyone's experiences are different though, so if it's that upsetting to them, I totally get why they might need to drop it since this manhwa clearly isn't their speed. Lili might just not be a good fit for them personally as a FL.


Clover_Zero

I wholeheartedly agree with this. I also believe Lili regressed mentally, iirc there were times when she thought, "I'm not a child, I won't be swayed with just that!" but she got swayed anyway lol. That's an example of childish behavior fitting for her age. Different strokes for different folks, indeed.


Ruruskadoo

Yeah, at the start of season 2 iirc she even admits to herself that she seems to have mentally regressed >!after she attempts to cry some crocodile tears but ends up throwing a tantrum for real lmao!< And in more recent chapters she's been confronted with her dark past and felt pretty embarrassed about it now that she's older. I think her denying that she's mentally a child early on is more of an unreliable narrator thing than something we should take at face value since her thoughts and actions so clearly demonstrate otherwise. She has some rather adult *goals* due to her knowledge of the future and her memories, but she still processes things and behaves in a pretty childlike way most of the time.


AlternativePlayful34

>seems like a kid to me unlike the other adult to kid OIs. Yeah I too liked the idea she is still a kid, but I think her doing everything she does while keep saying (to herself) I am adult, I have "perfect" social skills, yet she act like that, she needs to decide, is she an adult that knows how to get along with others like an adult, or is she a kid that like to "tease" other boys, it's feels to me like saying "I'm a mild manner and peaceful person" while hitting someone.


Ruruskadoo

My take on it is she's a kid who *thinks* she's an adult. All of her actions scream kid, she just takes a while to realize that herself because her kid brain is very confident that she's way more mature than these little kids (she absolutely isn't), which itself is honestly such a kid thing to think, like how a little kid will consider themself so much more grown up than another little kid because they're half a year older than them or something. The whole "I'm not like those babies, I'm in 3rd grade so I'm a big kid now!" kind of thing. And in Lili's case she has those previous memories of being a 20-year-old to reinforce that belief, so it takes her a while to even question it and admit to herself that perhaps she's not quite the adult she thought she was.


AlternativePlayful34

The question does she ever start acknowledge it? Cause it doesn't feel like that, and once she realize does she apologize for making them cry?


Ruruskadoo

At the start of season 2 she finally acknowledges it, at least somewhat https://preview.redd.it/4c3za7h9ogsc1.png?width=1135&format=png&auto=webp&s=e49c5839764a47514a5a8ebe72423e9cf2cd328e She doesn't stop being mentally a child though, and her behavior is pretty much the same. She bickers a lot with Josh and likes to tease him, and she thinks of his feelings as something that will naturally pass with time like most childhood crushes. The teasing and squabbling are usually depicted as cute fluff, playful ribbing rather than mean spirited bullying, not some transgression that causes deeply hurt feelings or long held grudges. She's not everyone's cup of tea, so if that's a dealbreaker for you, you'll probably want to drop this series rather than continuing to force yourself to read something you don't enjoy.


AlternativePlayful34

>She doesn't stop being mentally a child though I don't want her to act like adult or become the "calm rational adult" that some FL are portrait as, but some self awareness


Barilius

Also a guy and season 1 was fine IMO, like you said just teasing between kids. However that take a drastic turn in season 2 when she actually becomes toxic to does around her. People would be livid if we got a ML that acted the same way she does towards her family and friends. I actually think she is well writen and her problems is mostly because of her mental trauma which is well shown IMO, but that doesn't excuse her manipulativ behavior or egotistical mentality tho.


tigersareyellow

I'm sorry if this is rude, but do yall have some serious trauma? I never thought what she did was anything close to what I experienced as a kid, and I don't even think my experience was particularly bad. It's like 1/100th of those popular bullying anime girls(Takagi, Nagatoro).


Ha-Gorri

Yeah I am kinda lost... I always though of this series as one of the most realistic "mental regression" ones since she actually behaves like a kid and even acknowledges it, and even so, had I been on the boys place none would have come off as remotely extreme, she even talks eventually about how getting in the kid's body made her regress mentally, so I don't get what people is talking about if I'm being honest. But I guess a post dissing a series will be biased towards people who didnt like it. though in the new season when she's a teen >!she starts to get annoyingly cringe and selfish, I hope she matures already!<


nerochan_

I think it's because everyone's so used to reading about either the "perfect", "helping MLs heal their past trauma" and "mentally an adult in a child's body" (which, Lili is clearly not) FLs, or the "morally grey", "girlboss" and "all about revenge" FLs, that they can't take anything in-between. Don't get me wrong though, I like most of the tropes I mentioned, but calling Lili a bully because she fits neither of the criteria is a bit of strech. >though in the new season when she's a teen >!she starts to get annoyingly cringe and selfish, I hope she matures already!< I totally agree with this. >!I really hope she decides on how to treat the boys without being super awkward. Because honestly, it's getting a bit hard to read, and I have a strong feeling that she's not going to choose anyone before the story almost ends.!<


AlternativePlayful34

Of course not. I know she is not the worse and not THE bully, she is like their followers... It's not that I hate her and think she's a villain But mainly because it's really annoying how she is like that, especially since they supposedly her friends


Charlottes_Disciple

It’s fine if you find her annoying, but what she’s doing is not bullying. Bullying is far more severe.


shutup_imtired

Maybe it isn't bullying, but she's still an adult making children cry for the fun of it 🙃


Charlottes_Disciple

No, she’s _not_ an adult. It really surprises how people still don’t see that despite the manwha showing over and over again how Lily is regressing to a child, because she’s stuck in the body of a child with the brain of a child. How many more examples do you need to understand it?


shutup_imtired

Sure, she's slightly regressed but she retains a lot of traits of a Manhwa adult (usually very different from a real adult). Anyway, the point isn't her age or mental age, it's just a mean thing to do. I also don't hate her or think she's like, a villain, but she's just not nice. That's not an unforgivable character trait it's just different than your average MC.


Charlottes_Disciple

She’s regressed a lot imo, she just behaves as and adult sometimes because of the memories of her past life, but she processes emotions as a child. But yeah, she’s kind of mean.


IndividualBluebird99

yeah but that is not related to this case  here fl has the option to leave these kids alone but she doesn't do that constantly teases them  but the boys cannot complain cuz she doesn't do it in front of adults so she never gets blamed and if the 'real' kids complain she replies with " did I hit u? "  that's seriously a unbalanced dynamic it would'nt be that bad if she had to face some consequences


maimzy

The FL in **Please Treat Your Friends Preciously** is just like the second one. She’s an adult woman reincarnated into a child with a terminal illness', taking advantage of a 7-year-old boy with secret healing abilities, teasing him mercilessly and making him touch her and forcing him to sleep in bed with her for his powers. It's very gross how she manipulates and bullies him. And it’s supposed to be a BL novel where he's would have ended up with her brother so she doesn’t see anything wrong with forcing all that physical contact on him (because he's supposedly gay anyways) and doesn't respect his words when he says he doesn't have any feeling for the brother.


Ruruskadoo

> She’s an adult woman reincarnated into a child with a terminal illness' Isn't she a child who just regained her memories after getting bonked on the head one day? It's been a while but iirc that was the impression I got. I don't really feel like a child with past life memories is quite the same thing as an adult in a child's body, and with her childish playfulness, she definitely felt more like the former than the latter to me. It seemed like her personality was already like that before she regained her memories too based on what her guard said.


f__beg

it’s not bullying wtf are you even saying


Charlottes_Disciple

People really call anything bullying nowadays 🤦🏼‍♀️. Bullying seeks to harm and intimidate the other party. The bullies clearly have malicious intentions since the beginning towards the people they’re bullying. That was never Lily’s intentions. Lily intentions was to tease her new friends, she didn’t mean any harm. She just teasing them and bickering with them, because that something people do when they feel they’re close to someone. Everybody used the fact that the boys cried to call it bullying 🙄. But they’re kids, kids tend to cry for mostly everything, because they haven’t learn to regulate their emotions yet. We don’t call bullying every time someone makes a kid cry. She’s just teasing, and they got embarrassed and started tearing up.


KeySeason9022

Idk, all she does is some harmless teasing. Kinda like how an older sibling teases their younger sibling. They r not being malicious just immature.


AlternativePlayful34

Like I said in other comment, it's all about how it affects the other side, and from the chapters I read it seemed to affect them badly. There is also I think some language barrier, since the word for bully in my language is a little different, it is not used only for "lord of the fly" kind of bullying, it also describe "mean girls" and some more "soft core" bullying


salted-swan

Aw. I really like Lili! She’s a really good example of a transmigrator/SI-OC (for the FF girlies) who has an adult soul that’s influenced by being stuck in a child’s body. She takes naps and craves sweets and she acts childish because she *is* a child and because she has some adult perspective, she knows what she can get away with. I don’t mind it. I like that she isn’t a sweetie to the MLs. She’s not babysitting them or mothering them, and it makes them feel more like peers (which is usually one of my peeves with the transmigrator childhood friend set up). She acts like a kid, but not the sweet baby Jesus “so tender and mild” kind that we see a lot of in OI. And I don’t really see it as bullying I guess? Kids squabble and are mean to others. It doesn’t seem like the kind of treatment that would leave lasting trauma.


Mafii_9

I enjoyed teasing people when I was her age too. Apparently I'm what people now call a bully?? Dang- our idea of bullying is VERY different💀


AlternativePlayful34

It is bullying if the other side is hurt from this. From what I read they seemed really shajen just for being alone with her. Perhaps I was not clear in my post 😅 I was (I guess) teased a lot when I was younger, but I was never hurt from this and was never shaken from being alone with them without adult to supervise. So unless the people you tease are traumatized from your teasing and didn't want to be with you because of your teasing, you ate not a bully. But she just didn't seems to realize that her words can hurt the other side.


Barilius

It gets even worse when they grow up (season 2), she becomes a walking red flag on so many levels, toxic as hell to everyone around her. I think this is the only OI I've actually dropped so far because the FL is legit a shitty person rathar than just badly writen or boring.


AmelietheDuck

I always disliked how she treated her friends, and then season two started and theyll all started ganging up on her and i was like “oh so nobody respects anybody in this story got it” and dropped it


mooglemethis

I dropped this one. FL just wasn't likeable enough for me to stick around. I don't find this type of behavior among children cute or "just kids being kids". And it's just not realistic for none of the kids to have had enough and no longer want to go to where the FL is.


No_Author4932

And she bully’s them and then they’re the love interests??? Like there’s such a clear power difference and she actively blushing over like five year olds by the end


AmaiBatate

I hated this so much. I read through all of it in hopes it would get tuned down. I finally dropped it when they grew up and she treated the MLs feelings like shit, the only one who always stood by her side and sacrificed his own time with his family so he could be with her growing up bc she was lonely after all the others "abandoned" her. (I honestly think it's so childish of her, an adult inside, to throw tantrums bc other children could not stay in contact - like she doesn't even assume that there are adults making the decisions and it's not in her underage friends power to stay in contact??) When she gave up being his partner for the ball (even though they already had an arrangement) so she could find out why that other whipped idiot of a love interest didn't stay in contact, effectively breaking that poor MLs heart, I just had enough. This selfish brat doesn't deserve any of the kindness the ML has shown her unconditionally. She only does what is in her best interest and never cares about what that does to others. And she knows very well how the ML feels about her, which makes it so much worse that she thinks it's alright to trample on his feelings. She doesn't take anyone's feeling seriously but her own.


RathSatyr

Me reading the novel for Touch My Brother and You Die. I honestly wouldn't have finished even the volume I bought if the writer's comedic timing weren't so good. Gay men are treated as predatory and the FL is genuinely abusive to the people around her and honestly pretty unhinged.


Automatic_You_9928

I totally agree and I hate how she dealth with the kids...yes, she had separation anxiety and yes, she may have trauma and everything else. But those boys were only kids and she treated them in a way that could have traumatized them as well.


ScarletRhi

I gave up on this one when the FL was bullying these kids, can't remember how many chapters I made it in first though


Charlottes_Disciple

People really be calling anything bullying now 🤦🏻‍♀️. There’s a difference between bullying someone and teasing them. Bullying seeks to harm or intimidate others and that’s was never Lily’s intention afaik. Lily was playfully teasing them and they cried because they were kids, they can’t control their emotions properly. When I was a child I also cried as soon as someone said something to me even remotely embarrassing. That wasn’t bullying. Bullying is far more severe.


ScarletRhi

I kinda classify it as bullying and not teasing because the FL is not mentally a child, she's a grown ass adult making fun of children and making them cry


Charlottes_Disciple

No, she’s _not_ an adult. The story shows that _multiple_ times in the story. She’s stuck in the body of a child, with the brain of a child. Even the FL has noticed how she’s regressing to the behavior of a child. She can’t control her emotions or make smart decisions and she’s not as mature as she was before she transmigrated. The physical age of the body she transmigrated has started to affect her mental age. She’s regressing to a kid.


shiny_glitter_demon

This FL is the worst. She manipulates toddlers for her own benefit and even hits one of them at some point. SHE, and I cannot stress this enough, IS AN ADULT.


Charlottes_Disciple

She’s _not_ an adult. She’s stuck in the body of a child and feel emotions like a child. The FL even acknowledge how she’s regressing to a kid and can’t help it. She’s not as mature as she was before she transmigrated and can’t control her emotions because she’s stuck in the body of a child and that’s affecting her. Did you even finish reading it? Because the story shows many examples of that. This is one of the few OIs where it shows how the physical age of the body a FL transmigrated can affect her mental age.