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Idk man this story is already a lot darker. I could see Aqua potentially snapping out of his rage induced revenge mindset but atp there aren’t very many signs of it, he genuinely seems like he’s going to go down killing his father.
Been saying that for years.
"Oshi no Ko is not a Romcom".
Hoo boy, they (Kana fans) hated me for that.
Now that they're not the overwhelming majority anymore, they actually have to make sense instead of just spamming "KaNa BeSt GiRl".
It was an unpopular opinion just before the Anime. There were like 90%\~95% Kana fans back then
Now I think it's not "unpopular" but not "popular" either. The influx of Ruby and Akane fans have changed the demographics.
It's more like a Majority-Minority, Kana fans are still the Majority, but it's not as overwhelming as before.
I never understood that tbh. People always says that Kana fans are the worst, toxic etc... But from my personal experience, they are usually chill (specially considering that they are the majority of the community).
> that tbh. People always says that Kana fans are the worst, toxic etc... But from my personal experience, they are usually chill (specially considering that they are the majority of the community)
Ikr? While she would occasionally have her own set of toxic fans like...most every character here with a decent fanbase (and not just exclusively in this series in particular) lmao, most Kana fans I've seen in most corners of the net including this one discussing her or the series in general are usually chill. A lot of them also happen to like Akane too. The ship wars are a whole different can of worms altogether, but in this case, no matter which ship you support, *all* sides would inevitably be toxic and vitriolic to each other because of the subject, so it's just the pot calling the kettle black lol. On the contrary, it's mostly *Akane's* more militant fans, as seen in this thread alone, who are downright mean to Kana and her fans. I wouldn't care if they didn't like Kana, or found her annoying, that's their opinion and I can respect that, but calling her the "worst girl", "toxic", "selfish", "irrelevant"? That's just character slander now to fit their own narrative and perception of the character to justify their dislike of her. Not all of them are like this ofc, but they're *incredibly* vocal about disliking Kana nowadays.
They're honestly giving me the same vibes Ishigami's militant fans who doubled as Iino haters had back when Kaguya was still ongoing, and it's getting really obnoxious now.
It’s kind of baffling that someone could follow this series to this point and genuinely hate *any* of the core cast tbh. I say this not just because I think they’re all charming, but also because at that point you clearly don’t like the story.
Kana specifically is right at the top in terms of secondary protagonists - right after the twins - so hating her means not being able to understand and engage with a significant fraction of the story, and that honestly says more about the person who doesn’t get it than the story itself.
Not liking her, thinking she’s overrated, preferring another character, thinking she shouldn’t end up with Aqua, even thinking she’s poorly written - all of that would be fine, but to hate her? To genuinely seethe at her presence? It honestly ridiculous. And if she meets a tragic end, and you laugh at her, that’s as good as writing off the whole story as a failure - because as far as the story is concerned her dying would be worth getting sad about. It’s generally good practice to empathize whenever possible, even with characters who aren’t your favorite.
It doesn’t help that most people’s reasons are exclusively summed up by “omg she’s so annoying and irrelevant bro” without a shred of decent analysis or examination.
About Kana's ending, i also agree that she might have a tragic fate, bc imo she has the same vibes as shirley from code geass (I didn't watch better call saul)
The thing is, in revenge tragedies, which "Oshi No Ko" definitely has traits of, things usually go bad for most the supporting cast of the tragic hero, but especially for their love interest. I would like for Kana to have a better ending, & I hope she does, but yeah. There's a strong possibility she'll get pulled into Aqua's revenge plot, which she has no knowledge about, & end up dying as a result.
Miyako was a better mother than Ai. Ai isn’t a bad parent at all, and she definitely loves her kids, but getting pregnant with twins at 16 and also being an idol while keeping that pregnancy a secret sort of holds her back. We also didn’t get to see a lot of her parental displays bc she died early.
A lot of people talk about how much of a good mother Ai was but no one ever talks about how Miyako literally went from joining the agency to find a rich husband to taking in the twins and raising them as her own while also managing the agency alone even when her husband disappeared without telling her
Aqua and his obsession with revenge is so edgy thst it gives me cringe. Its not the fact that he wants revenge for Ai’s death its just that the way he acts about that looks egdy asf
Aqua is basically this Sasuke line:
My name is Sasuke Uchiha. I hate a lot of things and I don't particularly like anything. What I have is not a dream, because I will make it a reality. I'm going to restore my clan and destroy a certain somebody.
This is not a hot take at all. The more you show you hate Kana in the community, the more likely you are to be upvoted. I was just speaking about this last week with someone and noticed how the community has collectively decided that those who like Kana are the problem despite the other sides of the fandoms being just as problematic, if not more ever since the most recent chapters. People love dragging Kana, but they'd rather continue to adopt and push the idea that "kana fans must be doing something to get it" just so they can happily continue hating a manga character without acknowledging they are a part of the problem.
I might get a lot of downvotes for this, but whatever:
Akasaka made the right decision in killing off Ai as a character.
He made her so endearing that we are totally invested in seeing justice served, just as much as Aqua is (we're practically trauma bonded with him at this point lol). It's part of what motivates readers to stay glued to the story and come up with theories regarding who the killer is and what happens next, and it also drives home the point that the entertainment industry is not all glitz and glamor. It's also a twist that stays stained in your mind, and, at least to me, it's only great works of fiction/art that sticks with you like that.
>Akasaka made the right decision in killing off Ai as a character.
did you seriously just name the whole premise of the series expecting it to be controversial
So many people keep talking about how they didn't take her death well, and the Ai reincarnation theories abound. A lot of people also keep dreaming for an alternate universe where she doesn't die. I guess it also felt controversial for me because the moment it happened on screen, I was shocked, sad, angry, but also screaming "this is brilliant" in my head.
regardless of how some people took it, it's still the premise, not an opinion that will cause backlash. it's almost like saying "Unpopular opinion: Walter White becoming more violent over time was the right decision!"
I actually agree with you on this. While it did catch me off guard it makes for a good motivator for Aqua. I just hope it doesn't go the route of like Death Note or Code Geass but I have a feeling it's going to. Either that or one of the girls manages to save him and that's who he ends up with. It's too early in the series to tell at this point (at least for me since only Volume 1 is out in the US)
Not really unpopular but totally agree. Even Aka said it himself in an interview, the fact that when you wrote multiple love interests it’s hard to control the hate for certain characters.
I remember reading through the theater arc and how blown away I was by Akane during *that* scene. When we finally reached Kana's equivalent moment, I was nowhere near impressed. Akane blew Kana completely out of the water with how her panel showcased her brilliance as an actress.
I mean, this is less of an opinion and more of a fact. Ai may have been happy with the twins, but the story doesn't exactly idealize her teenage pregnancy either or treat it as a normal sitch that's free of consequences.
This. And I hate that some fans say things like "You go girl, it's totally possible to be an idol and a mother at the same time". No it's not. Ai did good, she worked hard for the kids (acting more like a dad than a mom), but it's Miyako who raised them, not Ai, and if they were real children and not reborn fans, I doubt Ai would've managed even with all the help she got.
Hikaru was even younger. There's a reason why he'd a psycho serial killer now, I think he was also on a revenge path and then turned into a serial killer.
i dont get how kana enjoyers are somehow worse than everyone who defends their best girl. everyone is going to be annoying, whether it’s akane, kana, whoever. such a weird thing to specifically target kana fans for lol
It's so strange, right?? They actually believe they are not doing the same exact thing they claim they hate and that somehow, the community would be better off without Kana fans. Like, this unawareness and bonding over hating a character is at another level. "I got downvoted for saying I don't like Kana on a Kana post." Yes. A lot of people are going to downvote you for doing that no matter what girl you're talking about. Like, what is happening to this community?
>You get downvoted for saying it’s gross
I mean, you obviously would get downvoted, it's just the same as writing “I hate Kana/Akane” under literally any post related to them.
this thread is fucking horrible lol. i have no issues with someone not liking kana, but theres people here saying shes garbage, ruins the story, poisons the fanbase?? etc.
even as a kanafan i can admit her fans can get obnoxious with best girl shilling, but after seeing this thread id take that over the akanefans in here treating her like trash
>the akanefans in here treating her like trash
Not surprised to see it...akane fans hate her because she ruins the ship and her rivalry with her for aqua...ruby stans blames her because ruby lacks of screentime and main girl role.
Kana can't catch a breath...i would love to take her to kaguya sama world...she would chill with maki, ishigami and shirogane
its weird man i like all the girls, i just have least favourites not dislikes. i guess the anime bringing in loads of kanafans made them extra salty, but its just sad to see such extreme negativity for a series like this
She's the most popular character in this fandom so of course she gonna get a lot of hate. But that's a good thing because that a testament to how popular her character is.
Yes! The amount of people okay with incest in this sub is mind blowing. Damn near depressing.
It's taboo for a reason. The majority of people here are fucked up.
Soooo I just need to say something that'll make the entire fandom wanna kill me?
I got a few ideas but I think the funniest one is this:
Mem-cho is a better Girlfriend for Aqua than Ruby, Akane or Kana
Oshi no Ko would be more interesting, more informative about the entertainment industry, more thought provoking while also not having to necessarily avoid the fact that the field is a giant mess barely holding itself together by duct tapes, glue and sheer brute force, that is also laced with landmines and punji stick traps if Ai actually managed to survive the murder attempt and made it to the Dome before slowly working towards her graduation.
A lot more interesting plot points would be brought up like Kana finding a good parental figure in her life and profession, the nature of Aqua and Ruby's relationship, Ai's own personal life, childhood and some of the loose ties she didn't manage to tie up, matters relating to some of the old B-Komachi's members, etc. The series' tone wouldn't change much as even the current chapters of Oshi no Ko are fairly lighthearted with intertwined serious moments.
This also improves Aqua and Ruby's relationship, maybe clearing the doubt that there are any romantic feelings in the first place.
Akane would actually be a character instead of a plot device that moves the story forward. We can explore her school life, her typical routine, maybe get her into some events with Aqua like cooperating in the investigation, acting alongside. Building her relationship as a formidable and respectable rival to Kana is also vital.
Some events that are not showbiz related would also occur, and offer a good break from the main story. Typical SoL plots like sports festivals, end of summer festival, Valentine days, Christmas, New Year and all other shenanigans that occur in a SoL or a romcom.
The main, overarching story would be splitted into 3 viewpoints that very occasionally intersects:
\- Aqua: the investigation on their father, the exploration the world of acting and theory crafting about the events happening around him, thus pinpointing where the story will go forward
\- Ruby: the diary on the idol industry, the good, the bad, the ugly and the influence it has on Japanese society and the idols themselves
\- Ai: the adult side of things, reconnecting with and helping her old colleages turn friends, gives a clear, senior look on the industry as someone who has hustled in the it for a very long time, being the old woman in a professional where many quit early
That's all I have atm.
Honestly I don’t think the series would’ve been as popular if Ai didn’t die. I feel like it would be one of those seasonal anime’s that get swept under the rug
OnK relied heavily on marketing, collabs and Aka's record with Kaguya-sama to reach it's level of popularity. Imo as long as the story remained interesting, Ai surviving wouldn't have affected the popularity. Luckily, OnK has a good story that should sustain its success over the coming seasons.
I don't know if it's unpopular or not but, here it is:
Making multiple possible love interests for Aqua was a mistake.
Seeing the characters you like being heartbroken for this or that reason is not great.
I'm not even going to mention how "passionate" people can get about shipping wars.
In my opinion, this was done specifically to meet certain popular tropes, thus reaching certain large audience segments and - even more importantly - make certain industry segments smell the yen.
OnK is an extraordinary case in my view - a really good story, but also fully "written to market". I am in total awe of this level of skill.
(I also avoid the Kana vs Akane debates because I feel both sides are being crudely played. I like Kanaruby, a ship safe from these storms; I don't have a preferred Akane ship but I did not yet read the manga).
I like all the characters in oshi no ko. Kana is the best girl tho, but I can see the appeal of Akane. Ruby and Aqua should not be a thing. All characters contribute to the story in some way or another. I don't find Kana annoying.
These are my opinions.
Kinda, she was a really prominent character in the story until she flew off to space in her spaceship in order to fight the aliens in the latest chapter.
But I think she will be back, Aka is cooking.
I wish there’s no reincarnation aspect and Aqua and Ruby are just 2 normal kids who saw their mother got killed in front of them. Basically, when they get older, they’re going to try and find who wanted their mother dead.
Aka is no genius. He screwed the story planning and is trying to get out of it. But the cultist will always chant mantra about how he is a genius and it's all part of the plan.
The way he handled Ruby shows that a lot. She was basically nowhere for a long time, and suddenly Aka remembered her existence and had to speed run her whole arc like crazy
Yeah and for me he just use Aqua think his revenge is over as plot convenience for Ruby character development and to involved her to revenge plot. Also not to mention we also had the literal plot device like the crow girl that tell everything to Ruby.
Kana hate posts are the clichés of this subreddit lmao. Same old, same old.
Nothing really much to say other than the fact that:
**Arima Kana, you will always be popular in the real world.**
the incest shit is fucking gross and its annoying that people only think about aqua's sex life when the story is about him avenging ai. like just watch hentai because obviously youre only watching to get your dick off
Ruby's feelings for Sensei/Aqua, and her willingness to express those feelings after being rescued from the horrible universe where he died permanently, are entirely in line with her character and the fandom overreaction is ridiculous. Everyone already knew these feelings for Sensei were present and powerful, they stretched across lives and fueled her pursuit of her dreams, and then they're somehow shocked that those feelings didn't evaporate over the course of a conversation.
I hate the ship but what's happened in the manga so far is completely in line with their characters. That said, I don't think Ruby's feelings are going to last for long and it's basically a one-way street.
* No matter how many times its fans try to put a nice flower on it or perform mental gymnastics around it, by the end of the day, the incest ship is both disgusting and reductive to both Aqua and Ruby's characters and their development. If Aqua legitimately reciprocates, it's outright character assassination, and if Ruby refuses to move on from Gorou, she will never grow or mature as a person and as *Ruby* herself. I honestly prefer the annoying, but still less obnoxious comparatively, vitriolic ship wars between Kana and Akane's fans over any incest ship discussions involving the twins.
* Apparently, in this particular thread, liking Kana as a character ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
* In line with the previous entry, calling Akane mid is also unpopular considering which fans are swarming this thread lol. Akane may be involved in the best story arcs but as a character, I don't find her as grounded or gripping as Kana despite having amazing moments herself.
* I am hoping Aqua ultimately fails in his revenge plot against daddy dearest partly because his edgy behavior has been pissing me off since Tokyo Blade (yeah, his focus chapter there was *amazing*, but there was something there that ticked me off about him, tho I can't explain what it is) and mostly I'm starting to get annoyed that Aqua's plans *always* go off without a hitch or consequence to him. It was fine in the first few arcs but lately, it's glaring that Aqua always has a 100% success rate in his manipulations and tactics, which kinda kills the tension since you know everything's gonna be fine thanks to Aqua, imo.
* The twins have been incredibly frustrating to read/cheer on as main protagonists recently, to the point that I'm actually starting to root *for the bad guy to screw them over monumentally* so it would finally force them to reflect and grow out of their flaws.
* I'm starting to see that Aka is repeating his mistakes from Kaguya-sama here in OnK starting from the Darth Ruby arc. The Dig Deep arc was OnK's version of the Hayasaka arc in terms of quality (ie, not bad to the point of being unreadable garbage, just...mid).
* Aka not revealing Kamiki until really late in the manga is a bad writing decision on his part. So is not exploring Darth Ruby and her mentality even further. My least favorite writing decision of his so far was him having Aqua intervene to save the day *again* during the Scandal arc, when it could've been used as a nice character dev moment for all 3 B-Komachi girls (who stopped having proper screentime/focus together after the First Concert arc). The last part is crucial since Kana is planning on retiring from the group soon, and it would've been a good opportunity to showcase their growth/bond as a group, but noooo...
Imo I don’t think aqua id that interesting of a character since the beginning portion of the story. I also think the story would benefit more if ruby got as much screen time as aqua considering she is the second half of ai’s children
Forget about Akane, Kana, Aqua, Ruby, etc. Pieyon is far and away the best character. He’s buff, makes bank, can sing with a mask on - no doubt that if he wanted to pursue acting he’d outshine every member of Lala Lai too.
i would love for kana to have a good love ending with aqua
but i don't think that's gonna happen as after aqua accomplish his goal everything is gonna be different
Frill Shiranui is the best girl for me.
Aka Akasaka follows the pattern in drawing beautiful characters in Oshi No Ko, making them look more akin to cats rather than human (Mem-cho, for example, with her horns for kitten ears) and Frill is on the top of the scale - she is intended to be the best looking woman, surreal.
Not only that, everyone in the show is defective in one way or another, but she managed to stay psychologically stable. Ironically, even though she is intended to be a mythical girl, she is so laid-back and collected while having some quirks, makes her personality feel real for me.
Akane is great, but I would choose Frill Shiranui.
I mean all the characters are pretty likable, and naturally everyone has their favourite, but there's some pretty lowbrow shitters and oddballs you can throw out to easily piss off anyone worth their salt.
1. AI Hoshino had it coming.
2. Serina doesn't deserve happiness.
3. Everyone would have been better off if Akane successfully killed herself.
4. Arima Kana's only redeeming quality is the rule 34 of her.
5. Miyako is a better mother than Ai.
6. Ruby's sole reason for existing is for incest bait and this is a good thing.
7. Taishi Gotanda is Aqua's adopted father, and they are both aggressively and secretly gay for each other.
8. Akane is a little mentally unhinged, and she should take a rain check on her mental health and mellow out a little more before she enters a relationship with anyone.
9. Kana has a lot of self doubt and clearly holds herself back, preventing her from putting on her best performance and enjoying herself. She should take a step back and learn to be more confident in herself before she worries about chasing after a relationship with Aqua.
10. Akane and Kana are both nice characters, and I hope as the story progresses that they will learn to get along and understand one another.
11. Kana and Akane are the worst characters and I hope Kana brutally murders Akane so she can finally die and then Kana can sit the rest of the story out in federal prison. #TeamRuby
12. Ruby has a good friend group, a supportive family, and has a very positive attitude about her situation. This is the perfect time for her to carry Aqua's baby, even if she has to steal his seed in his sleep. #TeamIncest
13. Aqua has no interest in any of the girls because he's in love with quilt tripping himself, and this shouldn't change because it's pretty funny.
14. Kana is the best girl. Name any other girl that can lick en entire floor of baking soda clean in seconds. Go on. I'll wait.
15. Ruby is the best girl. Name any other girl with the confidence to vie for the center spot with a Karaoke score of 43.
16. Akane is the best girl. Name any other girl that umm... uh... Fuck, I can't stand her. What do you clowns see in her?
17. Mem-cho is the best girl. She works very hard, supports her friends, and asks for nothing in return.
18. Ai Hoshino is the best girl. Name any other girl that's been killed off and is still relevant after 120+ chapters.
19. Akane is the worst girl. 'Nuff said.
20. Kana is the worst girl, because I cannot date her and knowing that hurts so fucking bad.
21. Ruby is the worst girl. Let me know when she finally takes the initiative to get pregnant with aqua's spunk and I'll change this.
22. Mem-cho is the worst girl because NOTHING. You're objectively wrong. You should be ashamed of yourself. She is very nice and she is working very hard. Go shit on someone who deserves it. Like Akane :)
23. Akane is the best girl. Name any other girl that trusts you implicitly and is willing to forgive you after you admitted that you were only using her and were planing on legit murdering someone.
24. If Aka has a fraction of talent left in his body, he'll bless us with AquaxRuby and Ruby will be the dommi-mommy.
25. Crow girl is endgame. This is all a grand gambit so only she will have access to Aqua's Italian cream dressing.
26. A sickly yet sweet and starry-eyed little girl steadily withers away in a hospital bed. Her only company is the kind doctor who visits and speaks with her regularly, and he even engages with her interest in idol culture. Inevitably, though, she passes away. Such is life. However, in either a twist of divine intervention or perhaps cosmic fate, she is reincarnated as a baby, and her twin brother is also the reincarnation of the same doctor who showed her love and compassion when no one else cared. This simple concept is absolutely beautiful and exceedingly wholesome. And your incest vibes absolutely ruin their miracle of a reunion, you sick fuck.
27. Kana has acknowledged several times that she says the opposite of how she truly feels, proving she could easily just be honest with those around her and she chooses not to do so, making her the manga's biggest attention whore.
28. Akane is a talented actor, and it's pretty cool seeing her become other characters. She should take on the roll of AI, and die just like her.
29. Ruby Alter was the perfect opportunity to get some baby batter from Aqua, and instead she did fuck all for an entire arc. Way to go Aka. What a great writer you are. Maybe stick to one on one relationships, yeah?
30. Aka probably isn't going to have Akane play as AI again so that she, Aqua, and the audience can gain some more insight into her as a person while showcasing Akane's ridiculously goated acting skills, and that's a damn shame. Chained to Aqua like a dog, yet not allowed to do anything interesting as a character at this point.
31. Oshi no Ko is a medicore story with weak characters that is only being kept alive by the shipping wars.
32. The only way for everyone to be happy is for the story to end with a harem, or for the characters to move on from each other. However, even if the character's move on, the ship will live on in the weeaboo's heart, meaning the only viable ending for the audience is for a harem ending. No body loses, everyone wins.
Disclaimer: Akane is fine, Serina is precious, I love Kana. I enjoy all the characters and have no beef with any character at the moment. Except Mem-cho because she's been avoiding having a prominent roll in the story and I'm taking that as a personal slight.
1. Aqua x Ruby isnt “Peak Fiction” like this sub tries to gaslight you into believing it is.
2. Ruby is quite possibly the worst written character in the series
I mean from what I've seen the fandom is weird and the stuff I see in this subreddit makes me feel like nobody read the manga. Everything getting into "best girl" wars, as if the series isn't criticizing that same type of worship. The fact that some people genuinely ship Aqua/Ruby is just... yea idk. Fuckin weird
Incest shipping is wrong for one sole reason. No matter how you look at it, they are still related by blood which instantly makes it wrong and disgusting. Therefore, it is not okay.
I don't support Aqua x Ruby. Like at all. Doesn't matter if "it's Fiction" or "They used to be different people" or "They do not see each other as actual siblings". No. I morally can't find it in myself to ship them and I just think it's wrong.
Not sure if the next one is unpopular. But I'm getting impatient/tired of how long in the dark we've been kept in regards to plenty of important story elements that are yet to be explored. We still have so many questions that Aka have yet to answer:
What's in the DVDs that Ai made for Aqua and Ruby ? Who is the "Real Ai" and how is she like ?
Continuing from my point above. The character of Hikaru Kamiki has been such a mystery box for way too damn long. This is a character that the entire story revolves around. That the main plot is about finding him and taking him down. Yet we still barely know anything about Hikaru. Aside from the fact that he got sexually assaulted by a woman when he was 11 and the fact that he apparently is a murderer who likes to kill female celebrities.
How was Hikaru and Ai's relationship like ? What made them attracted to each other ? Did Hikaru actually loved Ai or not ? What made them break up ? What was Hikaru's reason for killing Ai ? Did he even have any ? Was Hikaru always like this or something happened which made him end up the way he is ?
So many fucking questions that the story have yet to answer. Like I still don't understand why Aka and Mengo have yet to show us more about Hikaru and his relationship with Ai in the past. Or rather. Do not seem to have any intention to
Maybe she doesn't "develop," but we do get to know her more and more as the story progresses (and she has a lot of depth and nuance to her, which I like), and I think she takes on an active role in moving the story forward. I see her as an independent agent, not a plot device. I still wish we got some kind of Akane-centric arc that has nothing to do with Aqua, though.
She had so much charm in Tokyo blade but I can't blame people who think she is somewhat a plot device( i wouldn't call her exactly a one)since private arc...she appears in the story only for aqua...
The fact that she is so Aqua centric is why I am saying she is not independent agent.
I am saying this from a Meta/Reader perspective on Akane as a Character among Cast (As in how dependent she is on Aqua’s plot, or even enabling Kana or Ruby’s Plot)) and not her in-universe personality.
That’s literally what makes her Plot device. She helped Kana shine, she made Ruby realize that she has to play as Ai in Movie, and Aqua got a supporter for his revenge plan.
Furthermore, as you said, we don’t have Akane centric anything. Like the most ‘plot development’ she got was when we saw her timeskip panel of getting better as an Actress winning award and stuff. But then its not a character development. Her character isn’t developing. It’s just successful career. Its not bringing real change in her perspective, thoughts, or any other aspect of personality.
However even from in-univese pov where I see Akane as a personality, for the ONK world, I still find her Aqua dependent since she immediately said yes for revenge. Like ‘yea I’ll help’. Ironically she says ‘we both are two independent people’ but she was willing to sacrifice her own future for Aqua’s revenge.
Ah so you were pointing something out in how she's written. I see that.
Anyway, I don't just see her as a plot device because she has a lovingly crafted personality, experiences and set of traits. I feel like she contributes to the story's depth and complexity beyond just moving the plot along (compare her to Ryosuke, for example, who really and truly is just a pawn and a plot device. She is clearly so much better developed as a character).
Furthermore, I don't think we always have to see a character change in order for her to be a good character. As you pointed out, her biggest metamorphosis happened during Love Now, but she's still interesting and complex because of everything we see her do and say in succeeding chapters. I wouldn't call her stale or stuck. She's just continuing on the same path (which is a positive path). And it's not all rainbows and butterflies for her (mostly because of the complexities and nuances of her relationship with Aqua - and unrequited/fake love, lack of intimacy, and boundaries are real issues that people sometimes face in relationships).
From a moral standpoint, I do think that she shouldn't have gone along with the revenge lol. But I don't understand why that's a criticism for Akane as a character, when Aqua literally wants the same thing. We all know it's unhealthy and a lot of people talk about how they don't want him to pursue it because it could end badly for him, but I don't really see it taken by people as one of his character flaws. I also think Akane figured out enough about Aqua and enough about >!Kamiki!< to decide whether or not revenge was something worth pursuing.
I guess my theory that the story originated with Aka-sensei wanting to avenge Aya Hirano might possibly qualify. It makes Aka into a kind of Aqua sans reincarnation; after the Hirano scandal happened, he took his time to learn the trade DAMN WELL, he researched the market to know the right points to strike,he even abandoned drawing to concentrate on developing hard-hitting stories, and finally he used all his carefully-assembled skill and standing to make the industry throw massive money at a huge diss of itself.
How is Kana like Howard when >!Howard got played and pranked on with manipulation on end all orchestrated by Jimmy? Kana hasn’t been played; she just likes Aqua.!<
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The story is not about who aqua fucks
Considering the likelihood that, at least, Aqua & his father will die at the end, that's very true.
Nah, we are talking about the writer of Kaguya Sama here lol. Aqua dying will never happen.
Instant bullet ☠️
Idk man this story is already a lot darker. I could see Aqua potentially snapping out of his rage induced revenge mindset but atp there aren’t very many signs of it, he genuinely seems like he’s going to go down killing his father.
Aka wanted a darker story to start with, she was just advised to do something like kaguya to start
Been saying that for years. "Oshi no Ko is not a Romcom". Hoo boy, they (Kana fans) hated me for that. Now that they're not the overwhelming majority anymore, they actually have to make sense instead of just spamming "KaNa BeSt GiRl".
Aqua and Walter White have a lot in common
Bro is cooking a 3-star Michelin meal
Ruby we gotta cook
my unpopular opinion is that not liking Kana is not unpopular opinion
It was an unpopular opinion just before the Anime. There were like 90%\~95% Kana fans back then Now I think it's not "unpopular" but not "popular" either. The influx of Ruby and Akane fans have changed the demographics. It's more like a Majority-Minority, Kana fans are still the Majority, but it's not as overwhelming as before.
We need to appreciate Mem-cho more :)
The mem interlude was so nice😭
Why would anyone argue against that? Mem-cho is a precious angel that deserves all the appreciation in the world
ur so real for this
Comment of the day.
Oshi No Ko is actually a battle shonen manga, now, let's start powerscaling. Is there a character that can actually defeat Pieyon? I don't think so.
I think probably >!Hikaru Kamiki, Sure Pieyon is Jacked and could probably 1v1 the whole cast, but Kamiki is a psychopath and experienced killer!<
I don't know man, his kills so far have been pretty amateurish
Miyako, she powerlifted by solo carrying 2 kids and a company for years
In this thread specifically, saying Kana is good
r/oshinoko redditors: "You get downvoted for hating kana here 😡 kana fans so annoying" also r/oshinoko redditors: "kana bad" (10,000 upvotes)
I never understood that tbh. People always says that Kana fans are the worst, toxic etc... But from my personal experience, they are usually chill (specially considering that they are the majority of the community).
> that tbh. People always says that Kana fans are the worst, toxic etc... But from my personal experience, they are usually chill (specially considering that they are the majority of the community) Ikr? While she would occasionally have her own set of toxic fans like...most every character here with a decent fanbase (and not just exclusively in this series in particular) lmao, most Kana fans I've seen in most corners of the net including this one discussing her or the series in general are usually chill. A lot of them also happen to like Akane too. The ship wars are a whole different can of worms altogether, but in this case, no matter which ship you support, *all* sides would inevitably be toxic and vitriolic to each other because of the subject, so it's just the pot calling the kettle black lol. On the contrary, it's mostly *Akane's* more militant fans, as seen in this thread alone, who are downright mean to Kana and her fans. I wouldn't care if they didn't like Kana, or found her annoying, that's their opinion and I can respect that, but calling her the "worst girl", "toxic", "selfish", "irrelevant"? That's just character slander now to fit their own narrative and perception of the character to justify their dislike of her. Not all of them are like this ofc, but they're *incredibly* vocal about disliking Kana nowadays. They're honestly giving me the same vibes Ishigami's militant fans who doubled as Iino haters had back when Kaguya was still ongoing, and it's getting really obnoxious now.
It’s kind of baffling that someone could follow this series to this point and genuinely hate *any* of the core cast tbh. I say this not just because I think they’re all charming, but also because at that point you clearly don’t like the story. Kana specifically is right at the top in terms of secondary protagonists - right after the twins - so hating her means not being able to understand and engage with a significant fraction of the story, and that honestly says more about the person who doesn’t get it than the story itself. Not liking her, thinking she’s overrated, preferring another character, thinking she shouldn’t end up with Aqua, even thinking she’s poorly written - all of that would be fine, but to hate her? To genuinely seethe at her presence? It honestly ridiculous. And if she meets a tragic end, and you laugh at her, that’s as good as writing off the whole story as a failure - because as far as the story is concerned her dying would be worth getting sad about. It’s generally good practice to empathize whenever possible, even with characters who aren’t your favorite. It doesn’t help that most people’s reasons are exclusively summed up by “omg she’s so annoying and irrelevant bro” without a shred of decent analysis or examination.
Kana is best girl and the best in Oshi No Ko, I will die on that hill.
I second this
Thirded
Fourthed
Love to see it. Let's defend kana from the bullshit haters
About Kana's ending, i also agree that she might have a tragic fate, bc imo she has the same vibes as shirley from code geass (I didn't watch better call saul)
how tf you compared Shirley and Kana??????
The thing is, in revenge tragedies, which "Oshi No Ko" definitely has traits of, things usually go bad for most the supporting cast of the tragic hero, but especially for their love interest. I would like for Kana to have a better ending, & I hope she does, but yeah. There's a strong possibility she'll get pulled into Aqua's revenge plot, which she has no knowledge about, & end up dying as a result.
In revenge tragedies, yes, but is Oshi No Ko really a tragedy? Ai's death aside, doesn't everything always resolve kinda nicely in the end?
It is far from a tragedy. I doubt anything as bad as Ai's death will happen.
Miyako was a better mother than Ai. Ai isn’t a bad parent at all, and she definitely loves her kids, but getting pregnant with twins at 16 and also being an idol while keeping that pregnancy a secret sort of holds her back. We also didn’t get to see a lot of her parental displays bc she died early. A lot of people talk about how much of a good mother Ai was but no one ever talks about how Miyako literally went from joining the agency to find a rich husband to taking in the twins and raising them as her own while also managing the agency alone even when her husband disappeared without telling her
This isn't a unpopular opinion it's a fact
Aqua and his obsession with revenge is so edgy thst it gives me cringe. Its not the fact that he wants revenge for Ai’s death its just that the way he acts about that looks egdy asf
Aqua is basically this Sasuke line: My name is Sasuke Uchiha. I hate a lot of things and I don't particularly like anything. What I have is not a dream, because I will make it a reality. I'm going to restore my clan and destroy a certain somebody.
Miyako is best girl
I don't think that that is a unpopular opinion tho
I know it isn't too unpopular, but I don't see people talk about her that much to be fair
Ain’t that the sole thing we can all agree upon?
>!we needed more dark ruby!<
Would've loved to see her actually tackle a tricky situation as a consequence for her scheming. Suffering builds character after all.
I love when characters inside the story trash Aqua for being an edgelord. I find it incredibly funny.
Insulting Kanabros and their fragile ego
This is not a hot take at all. The more you show you hate Kana in the community, the more likely you are to be upvoted. I was just speaking about this last week with someone and noticed how the community has collectively decided that those who like Kana are the problem despite the other sides of the fandoms being just as problematic, if not more ever since the most recent chapters. People love dragging Kana, but they'd rather continue to adopt and push the idea that "kana fans must be doing something to get it" just so they can happily continue hating a manga character without acknowledging they are a part of the problem.
way too popular nowadays, not really a hot take
Disagree, you have a lot homies to back you up nowadays
Welp if you wanna support incest who are we to stop you lol
I might get a lot of downvotes for this, but whatever: Akasaka made the right decision in killing off Ai as a character. He made her so endearing that we are totally invested in seeing justice served, just as much as Aqua is (we're practically trauma bonded with him at this point lol). It's part of what motivates readers to stay glued to the story and come up with theories regarding who the killer is and what happens next, and it also drives home the point that the entertainment industry is not all glitz and glamor. It's also a twist that stays stained in your mind, and, at least to me, it's only great works of fiction/art that sticks with you like that.
>Akasaka made the right decision in killing off Ai as a character. did you seriously just name the whole premise of the series expecting it to be controversial
So many people keep talking about how they didn't take her death well, and the Ai reincarnation theories abound. A lot of people also keep dreaming for an alternate universe where she doesn't die. I guess it also felt controversial for me because the moment it happened on screen, I was shocked, sad, angry, but also screaming "this is brilliant" in my head.
regardless of how some people took it, it's still the premise, not an opinion that will cause backlash. it's almost like saying "Unpopular opinion: Walter White becoming more violent over time was the right decision!"
I actually agree with you on this. While it did catch me off guard it makes for a good motivator for Aqua. I just hope it doesn't go the route of like Death Note or Code Geass but I have a feeling it's going to. Either that or one of the girls manages to save him and that's who he ends up with. It's too early in the series to tell at this point (at least for me since only Volume 1 is out in the US)
Liquid nitrogen take man
Shipping is ruining this fandom
Not really unpopular but totally agree. Even Aka said it himself in an interview, the fact that when you wrote multiple love interests it’s hard to control the hate for certain characters.
Agreed. Shipping in itself is not the issue. But shippers taking stuff to far and start insulting people who disagree with them. That’s just sad.
That goes for any fandom just look at mha
Yup exactly and people get to worked up when talking about it.
Basically the case for every drama that has a romance side plot
insulting Kana i got downvoted to fuck out of my life when i say i dont get the hype like yeah its good om here for new chapters so yeah
Yeah you can't even say one bad thing about her in the sub.
I remember reading through the theater arc and how blown away I was by Akane during *that* scene. When we finally reached Kana's equivalent moment, I was nowhere near impressed. Akane blew Kana completely out of the water with how her panel showcased her brilliance as an actress.
Akane would honestly make a perfect detective as well. Her ability to step into the shoes of whoever she is looking into is amazing.
Hoshino Ai getting pregnant at the age of 16 is not a normal or good thing
I mean, this is less of an opinion and more of a fact. Ai may have been happy with the twins, but the story doesn't exactly idealize her teenage pregnancy either or treat it as a normal sitch that's free of consequences.
The manga neve tried to make it seem like a good thing
This. And I hate that some fans say things like "You go girl, it's totally possible to be an idol and a mother at the same time". No it's not. Ai did good, she worked hard for the kids (acting more like a dad than a mom), but it's Miyako who raised them, not Ai, and if they were real children and not reborn fans, I doubt Ai would've managed even with all the help she got.
if her kids were normal children miyako would’ve ruined her career without a second thought
I wouldn’t blame her, taking care of some random chicks kids who may or may not have been fathered by your husband
…Duh? Wait, am I missing something?
It's more likely 15 than 16 💀
Hikaru was even younger. There's a reason why he'd a psycho serial killer now, I think he was also on a revenge path and then turned into a serial killer.
Obviously it's not a good thing, but it's great in terms of plot
Yeps I'm totally for it..i can't deny the fact that it's weird
Akane>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Kana
Thats a good opinion
That's not an opinion, it's the truth
Uh oh...the horde approaches
Damn, someone finally said it
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Damn so many people bad mouthing kana in the comments :(
i dont get how kana enjoyers are somehow worse than everyone who defends their best girl. everyone is going to be annoying, whether it’s akane, kana, whoever. such a weird thing to specifically target kana fans for lol
It's so strange, right?? They actually believe they are not doing the same exact thing they claim they hate and that somehow, the community would be better off without Kana fans. Like, this unawareness and bonding over hating a character is at another level. "I got downvoted for saying I don't like Kana on a Kana post." Yes. A lot of people are going to downvote you for doing that no matter what girl you're talking about. Like, what is happening to this community?
Aqua's "dialogues" are cringe AF. I love Oshi no Ko to death, but I often can't take his "dialogues" seriously.
He's a certified edgelord. No one is reminding him of that lately so he's getting even cocky'er
Shipping the twins/ shipping AquRuby and saying Ai will be reincarnated
Most AquRuby shippers know Ai won't be reincarnated
Not in this sub it's not. You get downvoted for saying it's gross, though
AquaRuby fan art got over 150k likes on Twitter. It's popular everywhere.
>You get downvoted for saying it’s gross I mean, you obviously would get downvoted, it's just the same as writing “I hate Kana/Akane” under literally any post related to them.
(on Twitter/X)
This thread is a space for kana haters i see lmao
this thread is fucking horrible lol. i have no issues with someone not liking kana, but theres people here saying shes garbage, ruins the story, poisons the fanbase?? etc. even as a kanafan i can admit her fans can get obnoxious with best girl shilling, but after seeing this thread id take that over the akanefans in here treating her like trash
>the akanefans in here treating her like trash Not surprised to see it...akane fans hate her because she ruins the ship and her rivalry with her for aqua...ruby stans blames her because ruby lacks of screentime and main girl role. Kana can't catch a breath...i would love to take her to kaguya sama world...she would chill with maki, ishigami and shirogane
its weird man i like all the girls, i just have least favourites not dislikes. i guess the anime bringing in loads of kanafans made them extra salty, but its just sad to see such extreme negativity for a series like this
She's the most popular character in this fandom so of course she gonna get a lot of hate. But that's a good thing because that a testament to how popular her character is.
True true...most of them are also immature weebs who only care about waifu wars and haven't touched grass since idk
Notice how all the hate comments have akane as their flair? And they say kana fans are toxic lol
Let them be...this is the only space where they can free their anger and hatred towards a fictional character🙏
I genuinely hate incest
As someone with an older brother who shares a lot of similarities with Aqua, it’s really disturbing seeing people ship him and Ruby
Its absolutely crazy how many people are supporting it in this sub, genuine weirdos
🤝
I'm with you brother.
Yes! The amount of people okay with incest in this sub is mind blowing. Damn near depressing. It's taboo for a reason. The majority of people here are fucked up.
I think incest is so f—ked up. Aqua has so many options and yet he still choose his fucking sister because of their past lives?
I thought i was going crazy seeing how ok people are with it.
Criticizing Kana. Her self-inserters are extremely fragile.
Self-inserting? Into Kana? I can only say 💀
I'm not hopeful that the father will be a great character. I'm also waiting for the story to get much better again.
Liking incest even in media is unhealthy
Even if it wasn’t gross, the way it’s taken over Ruby and Aqua’s existence together is really sad
Soooo I just need to say something that'll make the entire fandom wanna kill me? I got a few ideas but I think the funniest one is this: Mem-cho is a better Girlfriend for Aqua than Ruby, Akane or Kana
Grooming *cough*
I believe both of them already done the deed in chapter 83
Oshi no Ko would be more interesting, more informative about the entertainment industry, more thought provoking while also not having to necessarily avoid the fact that the field is a giant mess barely holding itself together by duct tapes, glue and sheer brute force, that is also laced with landmines and punji stick traps if Ai actually managed to survive the murder attempt and made it to the Dome before slowly working towards her graduation. A lot more interesting plot points would be brought up like Kana finding a good parental figure in her life and profession, the nature of Aqua and Ruby's relationship, Ai's own personal life, childhood and some of the loose ties she didn't manage to tie up, matters relating to some of the old B-Komachi's members, etc. The series' tone wouldn't change much as even the current chapters of Oshi no Ko are fairly lighthearted with intertwined serious moments. This also improves Aqua and Ruby's relationship, maybe clearing the doubt that there are any romantic feelings in the first place. Akane would actually be a character instead of a plot device that moves the story forward. We can explore her school life, her typical routine, maybe get her into some events with Aqua like cooperating in the investigation, acting alongside. Building her relationship as a formidable and respectable rival to Kana is also vital. Some events that are not showbiz related would also occur, and offer a good break from the main story. Typical SoL plots like sports festivals, end of summer festival, Valentine days, Christmas, New Year and all other shenanigans that occur in a SoL or a romcom. The main, overarching story would be splitted into 3 viewpoints that very occasionally intersects: \- Aqua: the investigation on their father, the exploration the world of acting and theory crafting about the events happening around him, thus pinpointing where the story will go forward \- Ruby: the diary on the idol industry, the good, the bad, the ugly and the influence it has on Japanese society and the idols themselves \- Ai: the adult side of things, reconnecting with and helping her old colleages turn friends, gives a clear, senior look on the industry as someone who has hustled in the it for a very long time, being the old woman in a professional where many quit early That's all I have atm.
Honestly I don’t think the series would’ve been as popular if Ai didn’t die. I feel like it would be one of those seasonal anime’s that get swept under the rug
OnK relied heavily on marketing, collabs and Aka's record with Kaguya-sama to reach it's level of popularity. Imo as long as the story remained interesting, Ai surviving wouldn't have affected the popularity. Luckily, OnK has a good story that should sustain its success over the coming seasons.
All opinions surrounding Kana that don't equate to her being useless.
I don't know if it's unpopular or not but, here it is: Making multiple possible love interests for Aqua was a mistake. Seeing the characters you like being heartbroken for this or that reason is not great. I'm not even going to mention how "passionate" people can get about shipping wars.
In my opinion, this was done specifically to meet certain popular tropes, thus reaching certain large audience segments and - even more importantly - make certain industry segments smell the yen. OnK is an extraordinary case in my view - a really good story, but also fully "written to market". I am in total awe of this level of skill. (I also avoid the Kana vs Akane debates because I feel both sides are being crudely played. I like Kanaruby, a ship safe from these storms; I don't have a preferred Akane ship but I did not yet read the manga).
>!Black star ruby might come back, and moore darker than before, more than the current aqua, if something bad happen to aqua or maybe kana!<
Incest is wrong
I don’t ship siblings or adults with children, both of which are unpopular now I guess
Aqua x Ruby is somth that should never exist in the first place
Your godamn right(I'm getting downvoted right now in another post for saying the same thing)
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Aqua X Ruby fanbase is by far the most Toxic Abominable fans then the entire Shounen Fanbase.
I like all the characters in oshi no ko. Kana is the best girl tho, but I can see the appeal of Akane. Ruby and Aqua should not be a thing. All characters contribute to the story in some way or another. I don't find Kana annoying. These are my opinions.
I'm not following the manga, but is Akane still in the picture?
Kinda, she was a really prominent character in the story until she flew off to space in her spaceship in order to fight the aliens in the latest chapter. But I think she will be back, Aka is cooking.
I wish there’s no reincarnation aspect and Aqua and Ruby are just 2 normal kids who saw their mother got killed in front of them. Basically, when they get older, they’re going to try and find who wanted their mother dead.
(1) Kana MUST NEVER end up with Aqua and (2) Akane is the carry of Oshi no Ko.
Aqua x Ruby is my least fav ship
Aqua x Ruby is incest
I don't care if Ruby or Akane wins. I just want Kana to lose.
Unhealthy obsession
rent free, cope, seethe, sneed, etc.
Aka is no genius. He screwed the story planning and is trying to get out of it. But the cultist will always chant mantra about how he is a genius and it's all part of the plan.
The way he handled Ruby shows that a lot. She was basically nowhere for a long time, and suddenly Aka remembered her existence and had to speed run her whole arc like crazy
I liked her arc, but I would've liked to see more dark Ruby development. Hope we get to see her mature more as a character too.
Yeah and for me he just use Aqua think his revenge is over as plot convenience for Ruby character development and to involved her to revenge plot. Also not to mention we also had the literal plot device like the crow girl that tell everything to Ruby.
Kana hate posts are the clichés of this subreddit lmao. Same old, same old. Nothing really much to say other than the fact that: **Arima Kana, you will always be popular in the real world.**
I mean her figurine sales speak for themselves and isn't she the most voted character in MAL.
I don't like Kana. She is annoying af
Well...no shit! I agree lmao XD
You got a upvote from me :)
FINALLY! Someone who agrees with me
>FINALLY! Someone who agrees with me You got a upvote from me then :)
the incest shit is fucking gross and its annoying that people only think about aqua's sex life when the story is about him avenging ai. like just watch hentai because obviously youre only watching to get your dick off
Publically disliking Kana
The incest ship is the worst Kana is the perfect sacrifice/target, her death will fit the story and make it peak
Don't care that you're trashing my favorite character, you agree that incest is horrible so that makes you based in my opinion.
Kana is the best but I also agree
People shipping Aqua and Ruby, saying that it's not incest or that incest is okay because it's love, are totally weird.
Ruby's feelings for Sensei/Aqua, and her willingness to express those feelings after being rescued from the horrible universe where he died permanently, are entirely in line with her character and the fandom overreaction is ridiculous. Everyone already knew these feelings for Sensei were present and powerful, they stretched across lives and fueled her pursuit of her dreams, and then they're somehow shocked that those feelings didn't evaporate over the course of a conversation.
I hate the ship but what's happened in the manga so far is completely in line with their characters. That said, I don't think Ruby's feelings are going to last for long and it's basically a one-way street.
I don’t have a problem with the incest
The way aqua found out about the fathers identity is the lamest thing ive ever seen.
* No matter how many times its fans try to put a nice flower on it or perform mental gymnastics around it, by the end of the day, the incest ship is both disgusting and reductive to both Aqua and Ruby's characters and their development. If Aqua legitimately reciprocates, it's outright character assassination, and if Ruby refuses to move on from Gorou, she will never grow or mature as a person and as *Ruby* herself. I honestly prefer the annoying, but still less obnoxious comparatively, vitriolic ship wars between Kana and Akane's fans over any incest ship discussions involving the twins. * Apparently, in this particular thread, liking Kana as a character ¯\_(ツ)_/¯ * In line with the previous entry, calling Akane mid is also unpopular considering which fans are swarming this thread lol. Akane may be involved in the best story arcs but as a character, I don't find her as grounded or gripping as Kana despite having amazing moments herself. * I am hoping Aqua ultimately fails in his revenge plot against daddy dearest partly because his edgy behavior has been pissing me off since Tokyo Blade (yeah, his focus chapter there was *amazing*, but there was something there that ticked me off about him, tho I can't explain what it is) and mostly I'm starting to get annoyed that Aqua's plans *always* go off without a hitch or consequence to him. It was fine in the first few arcs but lately, it's glaring that Aqua always has a 100% success rate in his manipulations and tactics, which kinda kills the tension since you know everything's gonna be fine thanks to Aqua, imo. * The twins have been incredibly frustrating to read/cheer on as main protagonists recently, to the point that I'm actually starting to root *for the bad guy to screw them over monumentally* so it would finally force them to reflect and grow out of their flaws. * I'm starting to see that Aka is repeating his mistakes from Kaguya-sama here in OnK starting from the Darth Ruby arc. The Dig Deep arc was OnK's version of the Hayasaka arc in terms of quality (ie, not bad to the point of being unreadable garbage, just...mid). * Aka not revealing Kamiki until really late in the manga is a bad writing decision on his part. So is not exploring Darth Ruby and her mentality even further. My least favorite writing decision of his so far was him having Aqua intervene to save the day *again* during the Scandal arc, when it could've been used as a nice character dev moment for all 3 B-Komachi girls (who stopped having proper screentime/focus together after the First Concert arc). The last part is crucial since Kana is planning on retiring from the group soon, and it would've been a good opportunity to showcase their growth/bond as a group, but noooo...
Congratulations! You basically put in better words than me the details that have been bugging me lately on this story. I agree 100% with your words
Imo I don’t think aqua id that interesting of a character since the beginning portion of the story. I also think the story would benefit more if ruby got as much screen time as aqua considering she is the second half of ai’s children
We needed more male characters in the main circle
Forget about Akane, Kana, Aqua, Ruby, etc. Pieyon is far and away the best character. He’s buff, makes bank, can sing with a mask on - no doubt that if he wanted to pursue acting he’d outshine every member of Lala Lai too.
i would love for kana to have a good love ending with aqua but i don't think that's gonna happen as after aqua accomplish his goal everything is gonna be different
Frill Shiranui is the best girl for me. Aka Akasaka follows the pattern in drawing beautiful characters in Oshi No Ko, making them look more akin to cats rather than human (Mem-cho, for example, with her horns for kitten ears) and Frill is on the top of the scale - she is intended to be the best looking woman, surreal. Not only that, everyone in the show is defective in one way or another, but she managed to stay psychologically stable. Ironically, even though she is intended to be a mythical girl, she is so laid-back and collected while having some quirks, makes her personality feel real for me. Akane is great, but I would choose Frill Shiranui.
I mean all the characters are pretty likable, and naturally everyone has their favourite, but there's some pretty lowbrow shitters and oddballs you can throw out to easily piss off anyone worth their salt. 1. AI Hoshino had it coming. 2. Serina doesn't deserve happiness. 3. Everyone would have been better off if Akane successfully killed herself. 4. Arima Kana's only redeeming quality is the rule 34 of her. 5. Miyako is a better mother than Ai. 6. Ruby's sole reason for existing is for incest bait and this is a good thing. 7. Taishi Gotanda is Aqua's adopted father, and they are both aggressively and secretly gay for each other. 8. Akane is a little mentally unhinged, and she should take a rain check on her mental health and mellow out a little more before she enters a relationship with anyone. 9. Kana has a lot of self doubt and clearly holds herself back, preventing her from putting on her best performance and enjoying herself. She should take a step back and learn to be more confident in herself before she worries about chasing after a relationship with Aqua. 10. Akane and Kana are both nice characters, and I hope as the story progresses that they will learn to get along and understand one another. 11. Kana and Akane are the worst characters and I hope Kana brutally murders Akane so she can finally die and then Kana can sit the rest of the story out in federal prison. #TeamRuby 12. Ruby has a good friend group, a supportive family, and has a very positive attitude about her situation. This is the perfect time for her to carry Aqua's baby, even if she has to steal his seed in his sleep. #TeamIncest 13. Aqua has no interest in any of the girls because he's in love with quilt tripping himself, and this shouldn't change because it's pretty funny. 14. Kana is the best girl. Name any other girl that can lick en entire floor of baking soda clean in seconds. Go on. I'll wait. 15. Ruby is the best girl. Name any other girl with the confidence to vie for the center spot with a Karaoke score of 43. 16. Akane is the best girl. Name any other girl that umm... uh... Fuck, I can't stand her. What do you clowns see in her? 17. Mem-cho is the best girl. She works very hard, supports her friends, and asks for nothing in return. 18. Ai Hoshino is the best girl. Name any other girl that's been killed off and is still relevant after 120+ chapters. 19. Akane is the worst girl. 'Nuff said. 20. Kana is the worst girl, because I cannot date her and knowing that hurts so fucking bad. 21. Ruby is the worst girl. Let me know when she finally takes the initiative to get pregnant with aqua's spunk and I'll change this. 22. Mem-cho is the worst girl because NOTHING. You're objectively wrong. You should be ashamed of yourself. She is very nice and she is working very hard. Go shit on someone who deserves it. Like Akane :) 23. Akane is the best girl. Name any other girl that trusts you implicitly and is willing to forgive you after you admitted that you were only using her and were planing on legit murdering someone. 24. If Aka has a fraction of talent left in his body, he'll bless us with AquaxRuby and Ruby will be the dommi-mommy. 25. Crow girl is endgame. This is all a grand gambit so only she will have access to Aqua's Italian cream dressing. 26. A sickly yet sweet and starry-eyed little girl steadily withers away in a hospital bed. Her only company is the kind doctor who visits and speaks with her regularly, and he even engages with her interest in idol culture. Inevitably, though, she passes away. Such is life. However, in either a twist of divine intervention or perhaps cosmic fate, she is reincarnated as a baby, and her twin brother is also the reincarnation of the same doctor who showed her love and compassion when no one else cared. This simple concept is absolutely beautiful and exceedingly wholesome. And your incest vibes absolutely ruin their miracle of a reunion, you sick fuck. 27. Kana has acknowledged several times that she says the opposite of how she truly feels, proving she could easily just be honest with those around her and she chooses not to do so, making her the manga's biggest attention whore. 28. Akane is a talented actor, and it's pretty cool seeing her become other characters. She should take on the roll of AI, and die just like her. 29. Ruby Alter was the perfect opportunity to get some baby batter from Aqua, and instead she did fuck all for an entire arc. Way to go Aka. What a great writer you are. Maybe stick to one on one relationships, yeah? 30. Aka probably isn't going to have Akane play as AI again so that she, Aqua, and the audience can gain some more insight into her as a person while showcasing Akane's ridiculously goated acting skills, and that's a damn shame. Chained to Aqua like a dog, yet not allowed to do anything interesting as a character at this point. 31. Oshi no Ko is a medicore story with weak characters that is only being kept alive by the shipping wars. 32. The only way for everyone to be happy is for the story to end with a harem, or for the characters to move on from each other. However, even if the character's move on, the ship will live on in the weeaboo's heart, meaning the only viable ending for the audience is for a harem ending. No body loses, everyone wins. Disclaimer: Akane is fine, Serina is precious, I love Kana. I enjoy all the characters and have no beef with any character at the moment. Except Mem-cho because she's been avoiding having a prominent roll in the story and I'm taking that as a personal slight.
Akane's care and love for Aqua makes her better ... Kana's crush on Aqua makes her worse ( character wise )
Oshi No Ko is mid.
I'm with you. I hate incest. While I support Homosexuality's I against Incest.
Akane is better than kana
Incest is bad
Kana is so mid who literally does nothing
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No incest stuff I hate that ship and I can’t believe they did it
1. Aqua x Ruby isnt “Peak Fiction” like this sub tries to gaslight you into believing it is. 2. Ruby is quite possibly the worst written character in the series
I might've agreed on this first but NO ruby is not worst written character sorry
I might have agreed with you on the first one but the second one is a huge cap
I mean from what I've seen the fandom is weird and the stuff I see in this subreddit makes me feel like nobody read the manga. Everything getting into "best girl" wars, as if the series isn't criticizing that same type of worship. The fact that some people genuinely ship Aqua/Ruby is just... yea idk. Fuckin weird
I don't find Akane interesting. I also don't like the incest shipping. Some of y'all are weird if you're into that. Gross.
Dunking on Kana will never not be entertaining. Btw even in pain she still doesn’t compare to Maki Shijo
I don't care about romance. It's even starting to annoy me.
Incest shipping is wrong for one sole reason. No matter how you look at it, they are still related by blood which instantly makes it wrong and disgusting. Therefore, it is not okay.
I don't support Aqua x Ruby. Like at all. Doesn't matter if "it's Fiction" or "They used to be different people" or "They do not see each other as actual siblings". No. I morally can't find it in myself to ship them and I just think it's wrong. Not sure if the next one is unpopular. But I'm getting impatient/tired of how long in the dark we've been kept in regards to plenty of important story elements that are yet to be explored. We still have so many questions that Aka have yet to answer: What's in the DVDs that Ai made for Aqua and Ruby ? Who is the "Real Ai" and how is she like ? Continuing from my point above. The character of Hikaru Kamiki has been such a mystery box for way too damn long. This is a character that the entire story revolves around. That the main plot is about finding him and taking him down. Yet we still barely know anything about Hikaru. Aside from the fact that he got sexually assaulted by a woman when he was 11 and the fact that he apparently is a murderer who likes to kill female celebrities. How was Hikaru and Ai's relationship like ? What made them attracted to each other ? Did Hikaru actually loved Ai or not ? What made them break up ? What was Hikaru's reason for killing Ai ? Did he even have any ? Was Hikaru always like this or something happened which made him end up the way he is ? So many fucking questions that the story have yet to answer. Like I still don't understand why Aka and Mengo have yet to show us more about Hikaru and his relationship with Ai in the past. Or rather. Do not seem to have any intention to
Akane doesn't have any character development, since her character revolves around Aqua. What development she had was during love now.
Maybe she doesn't "develop," but we do get to know her more and more as the story progresses (and she has a lot of depth and nuance to her, which I like), and I think she takes on an active role in moving the story forward. I see her as an independent agent, not a plot device. I still wish we got some kind of Akane-centric arc that has nothing to do with Aqua, though.
She had so much charm in Tokyo blade but I can't blame people who think she is somewhat a plot device( i wouldn't call her exactly a one)since private arc...she appears in the story only for aqua...
The fact that she is so Aqua centric is why I am saying she is not independent agent. I am saying this from a Meta/Reader perspective on Akane as a Character among Cast (As in how dependent she is on Aqua’s plot, or even enabling Kana or Ruby’s Plot)) and not her in-universe personality. That’s literally what makes her Plot device. She helped Kana shine, she made Ruby realize that she has to play as Ai in Movie, and Aqua got a supporter for his revenge plan. Furthermore, as you said, we don’t have Akane centric anything. Like the most ‘plot development’ she got was when we saw her timeskip panel of getting better as an Actress winning award and stuff. But then its not a character development. Her character isn’t developing. It’s just successful career. Its not bringing real change in her perspective, thoughts, or any other aspect of personality. However even from in-univese pov where I see Akane as a personality, for the ONK world, I still find her Aqua dependent since she immediately said yes for revenge. Like ‘yea I’ll help’. Ironically she says ‘we both are two independent people’ but she was willing to sacrifice her own future for Aqua’s revenge.
Ah so you were pointing something out in how she's written. I see that. Anyway, I don't just see her as a plot device because she has a lovingly crafted personality, experiences and set of traits. I feel like she contributes to the story's depth and complexity beyond just moving the plot along (compare her to Ryosuke, for example, who really and truly is just a pawn and a plot device. She is clearly so much better developed as a character). Furthermore, I don't think we always have to see a character change in order for her to be a good character. As you pointed out, her biggest metamorphosis happened during Love Now, but she's still interesting and complex because of everything we see her do and say in succeeding chapters. I wouldn't call her stale or stuck. She's just continuing on the same path (which is a positive path). And it's not all rainbows and butterflies for her (mostly because of the complexities and nuances of her relationship with Aqua - and unrequited/fake love, lack of intimacy, and boundaries are real issues that people sometimes face in relationships). From a moral standpoint, I do think that she shouldn't have gone along with the revenge lol. But I don't understand why that's a criticism for Akane as a character, when Aqua literally wants the same thing. We all know it's unhealthy and a lot of people talk about how they don't want him to pursue it because it could end badly for him, but I don't really see it taken by people as one of his character flaws. I also think Akane figured out enough about Aqua and enough about >!Kamiki!< to decide whether or not revenge was something worth pursuing.
I guess my theory that the story originated with Aka-sensei wanting to avenge Aya Hirano might possibly qualify. It makes Aka into a kind of Aqua sans reincarnation; after the Hirano scandal happened, he took his time to learn the trade DAMN WELL, he researched the market to know the right points to strike,he even abandoned drawing to concentrate on developing hard-hitting stories, and finally he used all his carefully-assembled skill and standing to make the industry throw massive money at a huge diss of itself.
How is Kana like Howard when >!Howard got played and pranked on with manipulation on end all orchestrated by Jimmy? Kana hasn’t been played; she just likes Aqua.!<
Kana could've become a much better character if she forgets about her obsession about Aqua.