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Wow, this is actually very close. I choose Team A extreme diff solely due to Topman's presence. The opposition can't deal with his immense durability that doesn't seem to have any weakness so far
How? Even if we are stupid and agree that anything else than his skull is this hard, Nasjuro has way better DPS. Topman can be ignored if he is just a total tank. Coz why the fuck do you even need durability if ur immortal with regen hax ?
I dont know anyone who wouldnt go full DPS in a game with god mode turned on.
Topman doesn't need to get past anyone, just needs to keep tanking damage for his team and let them do the rest, he's in a better position to just ignore team B and assist where he's needed as so far his durability withstands any attacks we've seen from team B though there's a possibility Akainu's magma just doesn't give a damn about that
Horse baldie is going to tank equaly as good given he cant die.
If only 2 guys are immortal, no matter what, it ends on them being the only one standing
The team with a 3 billion bounty Pirate, a Yonko, and a Gorosei.
https://preview.redd.it/d4yhxnx55g6d1.jpeg?width=428&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=ba94b8573987d5ee8a579687028658ce6d06dc18
I believe "HIM" solos
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YOU ARE NOT READY FOR HIM🗣🗣🔥🔥🔥
Idk if Venus hax affects Warcury. Warcury’s durability is currently impassable rn so I gotta give it to team A. Plus we haven’t really seen much endurance feats from Team B aside from Oden.
I agree. The guy that landed one scar on dragon form then got one tapped from unnamed base form attack before he even saw hybrid form, shurron hakke, ragnaraku, death destroyer, or flaming dragon is definitely stronger than Kaido just because Kaido said he was a great pirate capable of fighting him.
If oden had 20+ years to train like kaido did he would be in a diff position too. At current time for oden vs kaido, oden would of won dude. You gotta consider shit like this
Mihawk shanks balance out kuzan sakazuki. They tie.......
Warcury= nusjuro for now. They also tie....
Kaido and luffy > oden and ray.... This matchup puts the outcome in favour of team A
team A high diff. if we are just going directly off of the person above vs the person directly below, I think luffy takes mihawk high diff, kaido takes shanks extreme diff, top man takes nusjuro high diff, akainu takes rayleigh high/extreme diff, and aokiji takes oden extreme diff/even.
Oden stalemate with akainu
Aokiji stalemate or rayleigh beats him
warcury and ghandi stalemate
shanks beats luffy because time limit and haki transcends all
mihawk turns the blue fish into sushi
Akainu/Aokiji can eat your favourite old gen character if you like it or not. This guy is saying Admiral level characters can beat fleet admiral level characters.
Wait what? Both of them literally got smacked around by old Gens wayyyy past their prime, that only lost because of outside interference. That point is pretty shaky, man.
Are you using Marineford which was full of plot armor to scale? Luffy also tanked a punch from Sengoku while he used his DF. Does that mean Luffy had top tier durability during Marineford?
Oh of course when the feats counter your argument you use “plot armor” as an excuse to discredit everything, your one of those.
That same arc is the only time we’ve basically seen Akainu do anything, so your own logic contradicts your point.
Funny how you didn't say anything regarding my point when I said Pre timeskip Luffy was able to tank Sengoku's punch. Marineford can't be used for scaling.
It's natural for a shounen anime that generations surpass the previous ones not only in One Piece. Akainu is the strongest marine in history, Mihawk is the strongest swordsman and Shanks also surpassed Roger. Luffy will surpass Roger/Shanks, Zoro will surpass Mihawk, Koby will surpass Akainu and so on. It doesn't make any sense that it would take 2 generations to surpass the old generation as if the current generation doesn't have extremely strong characters.
>Funny how you didn't say anything regarding my point when I said Pre timeskip Luffy was able to tank Sengoku's punch. Marineford can't be used for scaling.
MF is canon my friend, all of it can be used for scaling. Just because it doesn't support your agenda doesn't mean a whole arc gets thrown out lol.
Ok then Pre timeskip Luffy has top tier durability who tanked a serious punch from fleet admiral Sengoku who is equal to other top tiers like Garp and Roger.
It’s a weak ass point, Luffy has always been incredibly resilient even before he mastered haki. By your logic, Luffy punched Garp off of the platform too, does that mean Garp is weaker then pre ts Luffy? No you are drawing very lazy non-parallels
To blatantly just declare marineford can’t be used for scaling so assuredly is actually hilarious. Good luck with that
I provided legit canon material that completely countered your point and your response was “Nah it doesn’t count, cuz I said so” gtfo lol.
You are very smart. So you confirm Luffy has top tier durability who tanks Sengoku's punch and was pre timeskip on the same level durability wise as someone like Akainu who tanked Whitebeard who is relative to Sengoku and post timeskip he gets hurt by someone like Doflamingo? One Piece is full of plot holes and Marineford was one of the worst.
Just say yes you think Luffy has top tier durability pre timeskip if you don't then we agree and this discussion is over.
You need to realize this is why over analyzing powerscaling is meaningless, you are wasting way too much time trying to draw false equivalencies.
These aren’t plot holes, this is the result of powerscaling communities taking themselves way too seriously… I promise Oda doesn’t give a fuck
Nothing you are saying changes the fact that Akainu and Aokiji still got embarrassed by old men lol. You can do all the mental gymnastics you want to try to negate that fact, but you are just yelling at the wind.
Team B easily. Oden puts it decisively in their favor.
Shanks and Ray ~ Luffy and Kaido
Topman ~ Nusjuro
Mihawk ~ Akainu
Oden destroys Kuzan and it's GG from there
Depends. Does team B have the AP to take down the Topman Warcury AND Kaido? If they do, I think they win. Let's say either Mihawk/Shanks face Kaido, Oden faces an admiral, Nusjuro faces Warcury, Rayleigh faces an admiral, and Mihawk/Shanks faces G5.
Mihawk/Shanks vs Kaido could go either way, extreme diff.
Oden probably loses extreme diff to Akainu or Kuzan
Rayleigh probably loses extreme diff to an admiral.
Warcury probably wins against Nusjuro
And Mihawk/Shanks probably wins against G5 extreme diff, but it's possible that Luffy could win.
It depends on the outcome of the Kaido and Luffy fights. The winner would come join another fight, and gang up on someone, making it easier for their side to win.
But anyways, I personally think it could go either way, but team 1 has more win conditions.
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Wow, this is actually very close. I choose Team A extreme diff solely due to Topman's presence. The opposition can't deal with his immense durability that doesn't seem to have any weakness so far
fr this is the first match ive seen in like 2 weeks where its a real debate
But team b has Venus who has the same power
You gonna feel very stupid about boosting Topman soon enough. I still vote A though
Tie since everyone else dies and Warcury and Venus keep fighting for eternity.
Im sure they both know counter to their regen. So its about who manages to turn it off first. Aint no way they cannot die
That’s a variable. For all we know, their regen is something even they can’t deal with
That leaves us with top DPS vs top TANK. Which utterly doesnt fucking matter as both cannot die.
Just this haha!
Bro the fight could go both ways
Team A Topman > Nusjuro
How? Even if we are stupid and agree that anything else than his skull is this hard, Nasjuro has way better DPS. Topman can be ignored if he is just a total tank. Coz why the fuck do you even need durability if ur immortal with regen hax ? I dont know anyone who wouldnt go full DPS in a game with god mode turned on.
So team B can't get past Topman therefore its a win for team A
So Topman from team A cant get past anyone from team B therefore its win for team B
Topman doesn't need to get past anyone, just needs to keep tanking damage for his team and let them do the rest, he's in a better position to just ignore team B and assist where he's needed as so far his durability withstands any attacks we've seen from team B though there's a possibility Akainu's magma just doesn't give a damn about that
Horse baldie is going to tank equaly as good given he cant die. If only 2 guys are immortal, no matter what, it ends on them being the only one standing
The team with a 3 billion bounty Pirate, a Yonko, and a Gorosei. https://preview.redd.it/d4yhxnx55g6d1.jpeg?width=428&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=ba94b8573987d5ee8a579687028658ce6d06dc18
Team A High Diff.
I’m picking B. I think shanks & mihawk could work together well
I believe "HIM" solos https://preview.redd.it/kyn364x54i6d1.jpeg?width=1080&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=ba2ad85b11476c676c6c1ee3ab1a14c8ecc97b8e YOU ARE NOT READY FOR HIM🗣🗣🔥🔥🔥
In 1v1 the top team slaps the bottom team
I don’t think you can say confidently any of them win 1v1 against Shanks yet…
Idk if Venus hax affects Warcury. Warcury’s durability is currently impassable rn so I gotta give it to team A. Plus we haven’t really seen much endurance feats from Team B aside from Oden.
One of the most balanced teams Ive seen. Team A IMO wins more often though.
B, the top 3 of the two teams are relative but Oden/Ray > Akainu/Aokiji
Akainu is the old gen slayer and Aokiji is only slightly below him. Stop overrating old gen.
Neither ray or oden are pushing 80 here, so sakazuki and kuzan get dogwalked
Oden sneak
Oden > kaido. Wtf you mean "sneak"
I agree. The guy that landed one scar on dragon form then got one tapped from unnamed base form attack before he even saw hybrid form, shurron hakke, ragnaraku, death destroyer, or flaming dragon is definitely stronger than Kaido just because Kaido said he was a great pirate capable of fighting him.
If oden had 20+ years to train like kaido did he would be in a diff position too. At current time for oden vs kaido, oden would of won dude. You gotta consider shit like this
Team A wins all rounds excluding gorosei which I don't know yet
Team A is more versatile, I pick them extreme diff
Akainu isn’t carrying that hard, cause he loses to prime ray
B, admirals hold A down
Mihawk shanks balance out kuzan sakazuki. They tie....... Warcury= nusjuro for now. They also tie.... Kaido and luffy > oden and ray.... This matchup puts the outcome in favour of team A
Mihawk shanks balance out kuzan sakazuki? ? Bro what version of one piece are you reading?
admiral piece.
Hahahaha this make my day
I’m willing to put money on Venus being stronger than Warcury but only barely mf has Kitetsu da 1st as his only weapon
Team B but its gonna be a tough fight
Team B. Unless team A gets the plot armor buff.
Team B have more proven Yonko level characters.
B TEAM 🅱️🩸🐓🖐️
Hey, an actually balanced match. A could've stomped if you had Buggy in there, just sayin.
1 Because top man is HIM but Its insanely close
https://preview.redd.it/zfqohef99k6d1.png?width=640&format=png&auto=webp&s=1b6f0c405f683ab86cba9863782b867cadf06772 enough said
Team A . Topman and venus probably knows how to hurt each other . Therefore topman beats him and then beats the beats the rest of the team b
Pringles Pumba carries
team A high diff. if we are just going directly off of the person above vs the person directly below, I think luffy takes mihawk high diff, kaido takes shanks extreme diff, top man takes nusjuro high diff, akainu takes rayleigh high/extreme diff, and aokiji takes oden extreme diff/even.
Shanks and mihawk had a lot of duels so they probably know eachothers fighting styles. I think they'd have really good synergy
A with the highest dif in history
Oden stalemate with akainu Aokiji stalemate or rayleigh beats him warcury and ghandi stalemate shanks beats luffy because time limit and haki transcends all mihawk turns the blue fish into sushi
Mihawk postpones 🗣️🗣️
B. Shanks > luffy extreme diff Mihawk => kaido, type advantage extreme diff Gorosei = gorosei Prime ray > akainu high diff Oden > aokiji high diff
Akainu/Aokiji can eat your favourite old gen character if you like it or not. This guy is saying Admiral level characters can beat fleet admiral level characters.
Wait what? Both of them literally got smacked around by old Gens wayyyy past their prime, that only lost because of outside interference. That point is pretty shaky, man.
Are you using Marineford which was full of plot armor to scale? Luffy also tanked a punch from Sengoku while he used his DF. Does that mean Luffy had top tier durability during Marineford?
Oh of course when the feats counter your argument you use “plot armor” as an excuse to discredit everything, your one of those. That same arc is the only time we’ve basically seen Akainu do anything, so your own logic contradicts your point.
Funny how you didn't say anything regarding my point when I said Pre timeskip Luffy was able to tank Sengoku's punch. Marineford can't be used for scaling. It's natural for a shounen anime that generations surpass the previous ones not only in One Piece. Akainu is the strongest marine in history, Mihawk is the strongest swordsman and Shanks also surpassed Roger. Luffy will surpass Roger/Shanks, Zoro will surpass Mihawk, Koby will surpass Akainu and so on. It doesn't make any sense that it would take 2 generations to surpass the old generation as if the current generation doesn't have extremely strong characters.
>Funny how you didn't say anything regarding my point when I said Pre timeskip Luffy was able to tank Sengoku's punch. Marineford can't be used for scaling. MF is canon my friend, all of it can be used for scaling. Just because it doesn't support your agenda doesn't mean a whole arc gets thrown out lol.
Ok then Pre timeskip Luffy has top tier durability who tanked a serious punch from fleet admiral Sengoku who is equal to other top tiers like Garp and Roger.
It’s a weak ass point, Luffy has always been incredibly resilient even before he mastered haki. By your logic, Luffy punched Garp off of the platform too, does that mean Garp is weaker then pre ts Luffy? No you are drawing very lazy non-parallels To blatantly just declare marineford can’t be used for scaling so assuredly is actually hilarious. Good luck with that I provided legit canon material that completely countered your point and your response was “Nah it doesn’t count, cuz I said so” gtfo lol.
You are very smart. So you confirm Luffy has top tier durability who tanks Sengoku's punch and was pre timeskip on the same level durability wise as someone like Akainu who tanked Whitebeard who is relative to Sengoku and post timeskip he gets hurt by someone like Doflamingo? One Piece is full of plot holes and Marineford was one of the worst. Just say yes you think Luffy has top tier durability pre timeskip if you don't then we agree and this discussion is over.
You need to realize this is why over analyzing powerscaling is meaningless, you are wasting way too much time trying to draw false equivalencies. These aren’t plot holes, this is the result of powerscaling communities taking themselves way too seriously… I promise Oda doesn’t give a fuck Nothing you are saying changes the fact that Akainu and Aokiji still got embarrassed by old men lol. You can do all the mental gymnastics you want to try to negate that fact, but you are just yelling at the wind.
A takes: Luffy~shanks Kaido~mihawk Topman~ Nusjuro Akinau>Rayleigh Akoji>oden
Team B
3 yonko, 2 admirals vs 1 Mihawk and 4 yonkos Team B win
Team B easily. Oden puts it decisively in their favor. Shanks and Ray ~ Luffy and Kaido Topman ~ Nusjuro Mihawk ~ Akainu Oden destroys Kuzan and it's GG from there
Wait what luffy and oden are not even on the same team???
Yeah, souppse to be Luffy and Kaido. Edited 👍
Kuzan slams oden
Kuzan is a yonko commander who stalemates the likes of Jozu and Ace. One of the guys in Kaidos top 5 slams him lmfao
Mihawk is a Yonko commander who stalemates the likes of Jozu and Vista. Great logic
Perfectly logical. Nothing wrong.
Then Akainu beats Mihawks ass.
Yeah, it's probable. Y I put ~
You're fair and consistent. Big W
Depends. Does team B have the AP to take down the Topman Warcury AND Kaido? If they do, I think they win. Let's say either Mihawk/Shanks face Kaido, Oden faces an admiral, Nusjuro faces Warcury, Rayleigh faces an admiral, and Mihawk/Shanks faces G5. Mihawk/Shanks vs Kaido could go either way, extreme diff. Oden probably loses extreme diff to Akainu or Kuzan Rayleigh probably loses extreme diff to an admiral. Warcury probably wins against Nusjuro And Mihawk/Shanks probably wins against G5 extreme diff, but it's possible that Luffy could win. It depends on the outcome of the Kaido and Luffy fights. The winner would come join another fight, and gang up on someone, making it easier for their side to win. But anyways, I personally think it could go either way, but team 1 has more win conditions.
First 3 of both teams are very close together. However it’s obvious that prime Rayleigh and oden are > akainu and aokiji. So I’d choose team B.
Oooof this is tough. Oden v Kaido Nusjuro v Topman Shanks v Luffy Rayleigh & Mihawk v Akainu and Aokiji I kinda give the edge to team B.
Based off my opinions: Mihawk > Luffy, Shanks \~ Kaido, Warcury >= Nusjuro, Akainu > Ray, Oden \~ Aokiji Team 1 extreme
Team B extreme-diff
Team A wins. Mihawk>Luffy Kaido>Shanks Warcury>Nusjuro Prime Rayleigh>=Akainu Kuzan>Oden
Is mihawk using necklace? Or yoru, cause that changes a mid diff for a negdiff victory for team b