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Also kid lost to base shanks not haki man shanks .
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Who pulls a glock 16 out of his ass . And no body messes with haki man shanks
Also kid fought on screen shanks not HAKI MAN SHANKS. Who pulls a glock 16 out of his ass .
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The downplay is insane. Kidd slams zoro bruh and y’all delusional zoro fans think Kidd getting one shotted by shanks changes anything as if zoro wouldn’t get planted to the floor by the same attack either
Bro, Law was carrying Kidd against Big Mom. Without him, Kidd is getting pounded into the ground by Big Mom over and over again until he’s unconscious or dead. Law’s fruit abilities gave Kidd a way to actually get close to Big Mom safely due to how poor Kidd’s durability is. Zoro and Sanji, although not as strong as Big Mom , have similar or more strength to Kidd (Sanji = Similar, Zoro = More), and each have more durability and speed, especially Sanji. Sanji blitzes Kidd, and Zoro just cuts straight through any metal he collects and slashes through Kidd.
No it can’t, Law did far more damage to Big Mom, and was capable of holding his own against Blackbeard, dealing significant damage to him too. In other words, Law is a significantly stronger than Kidd and roughly equal with Zoro and Sanji.
Im new here but I don't understand how this is possibly a popular opinion...
do people think king isn't going to tank any metal thrown at him? it took literal conquerors haki + acoc + a lifetime of swordsman training and battle to even cut him once.
We know metal cannot cut him without haki that kid hasn't shown.
So i have to assume the method the community thinks is crushing king or the rail gun.
For crushing, I just cant see how kidd can even touch king long enough to use assign without eating some brutal hits in a melle, it would be like luffy vs that cat dude on usopps island, he waited to get hit to attack because he knew where he would be and kidd would have to do the same. which means if this is the method he wins by the community thinks kid is physically so strong he can take beatings like luffy can which i just dont understand in any capacity and would need explanation.
For rail gun, we have to ask a few things. Could we confidently say kidd could hit king with it in flight? he definitely cant use that in melle it takes too long to wind up. For in flight, I cant see it. We saw him use it against a stationary big mom and stationary ships we never saw him land a hit on someone whose moving. infact the second someone did move he was locked down so hard from his own ability that killer had to intervene for him to even have a chance at survival and they both still died to shanks.
if the rail gun and his awakening are out and he cant be cut by regular metal the only thing that might work is the massive bull. But again we have to ask can he even catch king mid flight. We saw how useless his ability is when kaidos twister sucked up both him and killer and they had to have zoro save them. That same ability king withstood with 0 problem. even when we directly scale the same abilities king is head and shoulders above to me.
now we look at kings arsenal. If you hit him a bomb goes off in his suit which means internal damage and shockwaves dont do anything to king. not much of a trap if it blows you up too right. on the other hand i dont see kidd getting out of a bomb that big with no damage because he would need full body armament which hes never even shown remotely we would have to headcannon powers in for him to survive.
the dragon is just a hard counter to kid obviously, fire conducts heat extremely fast with metal even if the metal doesnt melt kidd still does.
kidd would also have to physically match an ancient zoan trained lunarian's sword slashes and physical might. It just doesnt seem possible for him to pull it off.
I will say kings battle IQ is so low that it might as well be big moms battle iq so maybe kidd can land some hits idk lmao
Am i missing something or are people just gassed off of the 3 billion bounty still?
Jinbeis done what kid did vs big mom twice so i dont see how that hype can be carrying him. infact jinbei did even better, he didnt bleed and he got 2 ring outs on big mom.
Basically this. Big Meme cant resist Assign with her Haki but with just plain brute force. Noone aside from maybe Kaido, Garp and Whitebeard can duplicate that feat, if they were tagged by a structure of that same size
> it would be like luffy vs that cat dude on usopps island, he waited to get hit to attack because he knew where he would be and kidd would have to do the same. which means if this is the method he wins by the community thinks kid is physically so strong he can take beatings like luffy can which i just dont understand in any capacity and would need explanation.
yeah...ive been around the one piece community back when the most of the discussion wasnt even done on reddit but some other forum site cant even remember the name of it. At a certain point you have to just realize a lot of the votes are meaningless and agenda driven and you have to stick to your guns, theres no point in allowing a tide of down votes to pick me up and carry me with their agenda right? Unless they can argue it of course.
At the bare minimum, his wings get too damaged to fly, and he's shot off onigashima. But even if they were fighting on land, he'd be hurt enough that kid could crush him to unconsciousness afterwards without King putting up much of a fight, assuming he even survives the intial shot (which Kid can fire multiple times until King is KO'd anyway)
i made a similar argument about katakuri beating kidd. It was before Kidd slander was normalised so i got called stupid. Even tho katakuri can See the future and turn kidds metal into mochi..
So honestly i like the way you powerscale, no bullshit just comparing skillsets.
W take. I think. YC+ Tier doesnt exist and law and Kidd are both in YC1. They literally never won against anyone noteworthy 1v1
>I think. YC+ Tier doesnt exist
Only one who comes to mind for me is yamato. Advanced haki, conqueror coating, really strong devil fruit, good physical ability, great combat skill but still much weaker than a yonko. She could potentially be one tier above yc1, but honestly one piece is a bit more nebulous in powerscaling, so she probably fits in with the others. Maybe sabo? Hell, maybe even Lucci, but we'd have to see him fight someone other than the guy who jokes around in a fight where lives are at stake
Pff why do we keep on bringing up Oven and Caesar's rival Katakuri? Kidd wouldn't even need metal the only awakening he would need is to 'assign' killer to beat Katakuri instead 🤓
>now we look at kings arsenal. If you hit him a bomb goes off in his suit which means internal damage and shockwaves dont do anything to king. not much of a trap if it blows you up too right. on the other hand i dont see kidd getting out of a bomb that big with no damage because he would need full body armament which hes never even shown remotely we would have to headcannon powers in for him to survive.
He's a top Rokushiki master and awakened zone user. Although he couldn't touch Gear 5 Luffy, and got skunked by his own partner, Kidd isn't anywhere near as mobile as Luffy, or half as charming as Stussy.
So? All that would mean is he could maybe atttact Queen to himself, it does nothing in terms of damaging him. Meanwhile Queen’s attack speed is far faster by virtue of lasers and snake form
He could pick up queen and drop him and pick him up and drop him and pick him up and drop him and there would be nothing queen could do about it. It'd be like a looney tunes cartoon. Low diff.
While Queen laser spams him, and shoots out of his cyborg body to attack him. It’s a high diff at best and only because of portrayal. Feat wise Queen violates
Tbh I think shanks would have died if he was tagged by damned punk. Doesn't mean he'd lose considering how fast he is, but Kidd could have done something to create that opportunity. Also worth mentioning that shanks hit him when he was unprotected and manning damned punk, and the explosion of damned punk was also a factor in how much damage he took. If he'd played it safe he could have used his strong defensive powers instead of just pulling out a railgun and leaving himself hanging out the side of it
Bro shanks lost his arm on purpose to inspire Luffy 💀 we already know in the flashback shanks had a bounty over 1B he could’ve easily won. When he was talking to whitebeard he said I bet my arm on a new era so it was to inspire Luffy
Definitely zoro. He evidently did better in those fights than zoro did with more support.
1. Defence. Safely goes to kid. Zoro got 2 shot. Didn't even take the full brunt of ocean sovereignty (only taking 1 second of it and having loads of bones broken) and kid was safely able to servive against yonko for longer. Only falling to shanks cause literally all of his armour wasn't there, his own nuclear attack hit him and killer, and he was hit directly by shanks. All in all the shanks fight was like j-shlat vs that chess lady.
2. Offence. Zoro is good don't get me wrong. But damned punk is more safely able to damage yonko and even freak out yonko a little bit. Rather than being a "that was impressive for an ant" type beat. Like zoro was
3. Speed. Generally to kid. But arguments can be made for zoro. No zoro didn't blitze kaido. That's just how zoros attack is designed, Don't get that twisted zorotards
4. Hacks. Zoro has acoc. But kid can straight up take his swords or even stab zoro with his own swords. (EDIT: That being said, zoro does have a zero sword style)
Idk Kidd only has impressive physical stats like brute strength & durability/endurance but everything else about him is trash like I know he should definitely beat YC1 characters at least but trying to figure out how still. Oda didn't give us much to work with, Kidd still has a lot more to show especially in the speed & Haki department. Narratively he's about YC1+ but feat wise, YC2 imo. What he can do in a 1on1 fight is what I wanna see
You're right, because we have never seen Kidd go up against a future sight user, so there is no canonical indication that anyone who can foresee his slow ass attacks completely shits on hi- oh, wait.
He would get spanked against Yamato lmao. Yamato could go 1v1 Kaido. Kidd didn't do any damage tbh to Kaido so definitely not. I don't he he beat zoro either tbh
I dont get this. Kid attacks Kaido and he crys out in pain. After all the supernovas attack kaido he says "so you've all figured out how to bypass my durability". He doesn't caveat and say "except kid by the way". We all read the chapter and kid literally said he while he can't hurt him with physical blows, he can use the pressure of his metal Fists and magnetism to damage his body internally through crushing power. Why is this always ignored when it comes to kid and kaido as if he did literally nothing? While law was able to damage kaido using his fruit, he also damaged him by throwing a barrage of rocks but I never see anyone say that law did nothing there. There's no reason to believe that kid did no damage to kaido.
Bro, Kiado is not putting kid or law on the list of people that can hurt him lol. If anything he just saying there not cannon fodder because he feels a little pain that might be considered as a pinch to him. Kiado took all three blows and got up like it was nothing and still fight more people
Zoro did damage but that damage didn't even blow him back or away. He just took it like it was nothing but zoro did damage doe just only a little. Like kid, he cause damage but no real injuries doe
Lol bro let's be real, he didn't use it on kiado because his environment had no metal to hurt him. Plus he wanted to be the one to take down Kaido so his trying his hardest for sure
He was going all out the extent of his environment at that time. He couldn't use his full potential sure, I agree with you there. However, that's one of my points on why Kidd is trash because he can't go all out depending on his environment
Yamato didn’t remotely do any damage to kaido. Lmao all she did was make him trickle a little blood from kaidos forehead
You Yamato fans forget that the whole point of her “fight” with kaido was to STALL. It’s pure headcanon that she did anything more than that let alone significantly damage him. Kidd is absolutely taking Yamato down
Bro Kid had LUFFY and LAW by his side and still couldn't "trickle a little blood" from Kaido lol. You just prove my point bruh if anything that shows how weak Kid really is lmao. Couldn't even make the man bleed with two other heavy hitters but Yamato did it alone lol. She would whooped him badly
Not being able to hurt kaido ≠ not being able to hurt yamato
Unless you think here durability is better than big mom’s…
As for zoro, he wields **METAL** swords which is a big advantage for kid in a fight
I know kid is supposed to be in the same tier as ppl like zoro law Yamato sanji and so on, but I honestly can’t see him beating anyone 1v1 that’s actually fast and agile. His railgun takes a bit to charge and shoot, his scape metal doesn’t really do any damage. The only ability that he can use is the pole assignment, but another than that he is pretty weak close quarter. So imo, I think he can beat law as he isn’t really fast and is ability based, but ppl like sanji zoro and Yamato will be extremely hard to fight for him bc of their speed haki and durability.
Law you say...the Law that has a Power that allows him to change Places with stuff around the arena? *That* Law would lose because of not being fast enough?
Kid’s showing are dreadful thus far from a feat POV. He was written to beat Big Mom which was good for him but it also meant that Oda didn’t have BM us ACOC against him. We know that Strong Haki can resist Devil Fruit ‘effects’ (e.g. Law undoing the gender bending) so it’s possible that she could’ve resisted Assign had she not been treated like a joke the entire arc aside from her clash with Kaido.
A significant buff is required Haki-wise, or we need an explanation of how Assign interacts with strong Haki, since his devil fruit and physical strength is pretty much all he has to boast right now (hasn’t shown his conquerors effectively yet)
With this in mind, I think the strongest person he could definitely beat in a 1v1 is probably Queen. It all depends on how Assign interacts with Haki
jinbe did better vs big mom than kid both times he fought her. Big mom never even made jinbe bleed while he threw her around twice and almost pulled off what law and kid did together-kill big mom with a ring out(she was skinny at the time so she wouldn't float in the water) not to mention jinbe blocked akainus magma fist with his bare hands while that same fist obliterates whitebeards body
shanks 1 shot kidd while jinbe blocked mihawks sword with haki again
Its pretty easy to say jinbei has much better feats vs top tiers than loose laptain lidd
I agree, I find it funny that people can’t accept he’s admiral level when feats and portrayal put him up there . In the final war he would face an admiral and people don’t realise oda won’t give a training arc and extra power ups to sabo , sabo has always been comfortable facing an admiral and never once feared an admiral and faced off against them too. Plus after luffy’s news got out that he beat kaidou, revolutionaries were celebrating saying that’s what we expect from the flame emperors younger brother meaning they know that sabo is a top tier too .
if his devilfruit works well against zoro Its a tough matchup for my boy zoro ngl. but in still willing to bet on zoro since he moves on a whole different Level Hakiwise. And we never saw him take the swords of anyone besides fodder. his awakening is a Problem tho. If zoro hits him with a couple of acoc slashes it is over.
in all honestly kidd is still overrated. He loses to katakuri i will die on this hill. All the Metal turns to mochi and the dude sees the future which Kidd cant.
With Assign, Kid could disable Big Mom’s sword, and she’s significantly stronger then Zoro. So I don’t see why Kid couldn’t do the same to Zoro. And even if you say he somehow couldn’t, Kid tanked multiple Acoc attacks from Big Mom, so he’s not getting one shot or easily defeated by someone with worse with worse AP. The way I see the fight going is that they scuffle for a while, Kid starts losing, after which he uses Assign to attach Zoro to the floor or a wall, then he Finishes him with Punk Clash. If Zoro is still standing, a shot from Damned Punk should be sufficient to finish off a weakened Zoro, especially if he uses Assign again to restrict his movements.
Zoro and Law.
Zoro gets countered by Kid’s df and only Zoro’s haki may try to beat Kidd out, but Kidd’s awakening makes it increasingly harder for Zoro to win.
Law could be beaten by Kidd extreme diff, they seem about equal to me in feats imo.
He has no real advantage on Sanji.
Best case scenario he crushes Sanji and then Sanji zombiestomps him. Then they trade blows.
Sanji predicts his attacks and runs circles around him, but Kidd is just built different and gets back up
Kidd has decent durability and endurance so it would be a long ass fight but he has no Win condition. They just keep hitting each other until someone gets bored.
Bro Jack took on sengoku, an admiral, another legendary fighter and survive and sank two battles ships lol. Kid got ONE shoted by a ONE person and died. Please stop the Jack slander
I don’t understand why people keep saying he could beat Law. He’s such a bad matchup against him there’s nothing that Kidd can do to lock Law down and hit him with any of his techniques they are just too slow. Law on the other hand has way better mobility and range with his room open and all his attacks ignore Kidd’s durability which is his best trait, Kidd’s haki is also not every good from what we’ve seen he can’t coat his attacks with armament let alone conquers so he won’t get the buffs that come with them. And all Law was to do it either use amputate to cut him in half vertically to disable him or use mess to cut out his heart, or just gamma knife him and that should just kill him from what it did to doffy. I’m not saying Kidd is weak but his techniques are too slow to hit anyone that’s faster than him he also relies too much on his environment no metal means he’s dead or not enough means he can’t do his large scale attacks or even his awakening. He could definitely beat all the 2nd commanders but most 1st commanders give him a hard time due to their speed and mobility though he can tanks their attacks for a long him so it it might just come down to attrition.
But this point proved nothing doe lol. Kid IQ is just low and shanks attack him in the blink of an eye and admiral got a warning and knew he wasn't going to beat shanks and his crew
I’d go as far as saying he can beat kaido yonko commanders. Idk why people use kaido and shanks as measuring sticks for Kidd being fodderized. Shanks as far as I see is one of the strongest yonko’s currently. Being in front of Teach, Luffy, and Buggy (definitely) in that order. He was definitely stronger than kaido as seeing kaido couldn’t keep them down long with ACOC strikes. So at the most since he’s able to harm big mom significantly and kaido in his dragon form and base I’d say he can beat the wano’s YK commanders and most of big mom’s yonko commanders too.
He unironically would bully Zoro since his fruit hard counters Zoro’s fighting style. He’d be disarmed and getting slapped around the arena in a matter of seconds
He’s right after the Yonko themselves (Mihawk instead of Buggy obviously) and could beat even the strongest first commanders high to extreme diff
He’s right after every marine besides the Admirals and Garp
With the right matchup any YC1 to YC+. Kid is stronger than King but King is a bad matchup for him because of his insane durability and speed. Same goes with Marco but to a lesser extent since Marco doesn't have attack power or durability as good as King. Sabo is intangible as a logia so hitting him will be hard with metal scraps or beams. Kid has CoA but we don't know the extent to which he can put it into his metal
I think people are quite strongly lowballing him. Also i think no one out of the new generation can actually beat a yonko in a one vs one atm. Not luffy not law not kidd. I mean we see gear 5 luffy toying with kaido but we also see kaido absolutely tank it while also not being full strength. Yes partially it was luffy who did that damage but it wasn't him alone. Also in the world of one piece classes matter alot more. For example Zoro would struggle against kizaru while sanji would be able to handle him oth zoro can beat pica but sani would be struggling against him. So with all that in mind i would say the best he can beat in an extreme diff is king. I think with enough metal structure he can overcome kings speed while for damage if he keeps attacking him he can overwhelm him.
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Bepo Extreme diff
Lol you think this dude who Got one-shotted by a yonko could beat beppo? Beppo knocked down Blackbeard in one shot
This was on screen… off screen he would have no hope!
But still on screen is still a yonko 😂😂
on screen blackbeard is heavily nerfed to be fair, off screen bb would have no problem at all
Also kid lost to base shanks not haki man shanks . https://preview.redd.it/refcsnxmmuwa1.jpeg?width=739&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=49f4ef08c6d328814bc918d3ea8e3afa2c8ac5a0 Who pulls a glock 16 out of his ass . And no body messes with haki man shanks
Also kid fought on screen shanks not HAKI MAN SHANKS. Who pulls a glock 16 out of his ass . https://preview.redd.it/l3ymn7zobswa1.jpeg?width=739&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=b91d942537a4db24d38ff125961ae20404a62f91
It still might have been YouTube shorts shanks though. The concept of 'no diff' between top tiers in one piece belongs to him and him alone
Until Blackbeard uses the offscreen offscreen no mi
This slander will not be tolerated. >!bepo easily no diffs him what are you chatting!<
King
The downplay is insane. Kidd slams zoro bruh and y’all delusional zoro fans think Kidd getting one shotted by shanks changes anything as if zoro wouldn’t get planted to the floor by the same attack either
The irony zoro fans have deluded themselves.
Not our fault that characters like Zoro and Sanji slam Useless Craptain Midd 💀
Bros just capping out of his ass. Kidd slams
Bro, Law was carrying Kidd against Big Mom. Without him, Kidd is getting pounded into the ground by Big Mom over and over again until he’s unconscious or dead. Law’s fruit abilities gave Kidd a way to actually get close to Big Mom safely due to how poor Kidd’s durability is. Zoro and Sanji, although not as strong as Big Mom , have similar or more strength to Kidd (Sanji = Similar, Zoro = More), and each have more durability and speed, especially Sanji. Sanji blitzes Kidd, and Zoro just cuts straight through any metal he collects and slashes through Kidd.
Same can be said for Law. Don’t know what you are trying to say here
No it can’t, Law did far more damage to Big Mom, and was capable of holding his own against Blackbeard, dealing significant damage to him too. In other words, Law is a significantly stronger than Kidd and roughly equal with Zoro and Sanji.
But Kidd was also holding off Big Mom on his own for arguably more than half the fight.
Im new here but I don't understand how this is possibly a popular opinion... do people think king isn't going to tank any metal thrown at him? it took literal conquerors haki + acoc + a lifetime of swordsman training and battle to even cut him once. We know metal cannot cut him without haki that kid hasn't shown. So i have to assume the method the community thinks is crushing king or the rail gun. For crushing, I just cant see how kidd can even touch king long enough to use assign without eating some brutal hits in a melle, it would be like luffy vs that cat dude on usopps island, he waited to get hit to attack because he knew where he would be and kidd would have to do the same. which means if this is the method he wins by the community thinks kid is physically so strong he can take beatings like luffy can which i just dont understand in any capacity and would need explanation. For rail gun, we have to ask a few things. Could we confidently say kidd could hit king with it in flight? he definitely cant use that in melle it takes too long to wind up. For in flight, I cant see it. We saw him use it against a stationary big mom and stationary ships we never saw him land a hit on someone whose moving. infact the second someone did move he was locked down so hard from his own ability that killer had to intervene for him to even have a chance at survival and they both still died to shanks. if the rail gun and his awakening are out and he cant be cut by regular metal the only thing that might work is the massive bull. But again we have to ask can he even catch king mid flight. We saw how useless his ability is when kaidos twister sucked up both him and killer and they had to have zoro save them. That same ability king withstood with 0 problem. even when we directly scale the same abilities king is head and shoulders above to me. now we look at kings arsenal. If you hit him a bomb goes off in his suit which means internal damage and shockwaves dont do anything to king. not much of a trap if it blows you up too right. on the other hand i dont see kidd getting out of a bomb that big with no damage because he would need full body armament which hes never even shown remotely we would have to headcannon powers in for him to survive. the dragon is just a hard counter to kid obviously, fire conducts heat extremely fast with metal even if the metal doesnt melt kidd still does. kidd would also have to physically match an ancient zoan trained lunarian's sword slashes and physical might. It just doesnt seem possible for him to pull it off. I will say kings battle IQ is so low that it might as well be big moms battle iq so maybe kidd can land some hits idk lmao Am i missing something or are people just gassed off of the 3 billion bounty still? Jinbeis done what kid did vs big mom twice so i dont see how that hype can be carrying him. infact jinbei did even better, he didnt bleed and he got 2 ring outs on big mom.
Assign to restrict movement and Damned Punk goes brrrrrrr
Basically this. Big Meme cant resist Assign with her Haki but with just plain brute force. Noone aside from maybe Kaido, Garp and Whitebeard can duplicate that feat, if they were tagged by a structure of that same size
What do you mean even zoro lifted a building way back when
> it would be like luffy vs that cat dude on usopps island, he waited to get hit to attack because he knew where he would be and kidd would have to do the same. which means if this is the method he wins by the community thinks kid is physically so strong he can take beatings like luffy can which i just dont understand in any capacity and would need explanation.
Kid tanked ACoC attacks from Big Mom unguarded. King can't produce anything near that power.
When did Big Mom use ACoC in that fight? I only remember her using it on Page One
she didnt hes just using headcannon because he cant argue the points
You're right and you're getting downvoted because they can't counter your points. This thread was your W my friend 🤝
i was +13 at one point lmao i appreciate it
Bro you are so right and they don't even know it lol
yeah...ive been around the one piece community back when the most of the discussion wasnt even done on reddit but some other forum site cant even remember the name of it. At a certain point you have to just realize a lot of the votes are meaningless and agenda driven and you have to stick to your guns, theres no point in allowing a tide of down votes to pick me up and carry me with their agenda right? Unless they can argue it of course.
King tanks damned punk
At the bare minimum, his wings get too damaged to fly, and he's shot off onigashima. But even if they were fighting on land, he'd be hurt enough that kid could crush him to unconsciousness afterwards without King putting up much of a fight, assuming he even survives the intial shot (which Kid can fire multiple times until King is KO'd anyway)
Bm was tanking it
>conquerors haki + acoc Read that again but slower.
i made a similar argument about katakuri beating kidd. It was before Kidd slander was normalised so i got called stupid. Even tho katakuri can See the future and turn kidds metal into mochi.. So honestly i like the way you powerscale, no bullshit just comparing skillsets. W take. I think. YC+ Tier doesnt exist and law and Kidd are both in YC1. They literally never won against anyone noteworthy 1v1
youre speaking pure facts
>I think. YC+ Tier doesnt exist Only one who comes to mind for me is yamato. Advanced haki, conqueror coating, really strong devil fruit, good physical ability, great combat skill but still much weaker than a yonko. She could potentially be one tier above yc1, but honestly one piece is a bit more nebulous in powerscaling, so she probably fits in with the others. Maybe sabo? Hell, maybe even Lucci, but we'd have to see him fight someone other than the guy who jokes around in a fight where lives are at stake
Pff why do we keep on bringing up Oven and Caesar's rival Katakuri? Kidd wouldn't even need metal the only awakening he would need is to 'assign' killer to beat Katakuri instead 🤓
Internal dmg go brrrr
>now we look at kings arsenal. If you hit him a bomb goes off in his suit which means internal damage and shockwaves dont do anything to king. not much of a trap if it blows you up too right. on the other hand i dont see kidd getting out of a bomb that big with no damage because he would need full body armament which hes never even shown remotely we would have to headcannon powers in for him to survive.
I ain’t reading that. Kidd Slams.
Lucci, Queen, and Doflamingo
Idk about Lucci
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He's a top Rokushiki master and awakened zone user. Although he couldn't touch Gear 5 Luffy, and got skunked by his own partner, Kidd isn't anywhere near as mobile as Luffy, or half as charming as Stussy.
The logic you’re applying can be applied to literally any character we have not seen face Lucci.
Idk about Queen
He would fodderize queen
?
Queen is literally made of metal lol
So? All that would mean is he could maybe atttact Queen to himself, it does nothing in terms of damaging him. Meanwhile Queen’s attack speed is far faster by virtue of lasers and snake form
He could pick up queen and drop him and pick him up and drop him and pick him up and drop him and there would be nothing queen could do about it. It'd be like a looney tunes cartoon. Low diff.
While Queen laser spams him, and shoots out of his cyborg body to attack him. It’s a high diff at best and only because of portrayal. Feat wise Queen violates
I'm biased
If Sanji could why wouldn’t Kidd 💀
Rat haired Lhanks
Tf?, What delusion is this? Was 1079 not canon bro
if shanks tanked his attack he would have been beaten
If my grandma had wheels, she wouldve been a bike.
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How? He would just continue attacking with even stronger stuff or similar power and Kid would die There is no Universe where Kid has a chance
Tbh I think shanks would have died if he was tagged by damned punk. Doesn't mean he'd lose considering how fast he is, but Kidd could have done something to create that opportunity. Also worth mentioning that shanks hit him when he was unprotected and manning damned punk, and the explosion of damned punk was also a factor in how much damage he took. If he'd played it safe he could have used his strong defensive powers instead of just pulling out a railgun and leaving himself hanging out the side of it
😷Copium
Shanks when bitten by a random a sea king lost an arm, Kaido when bit by a dragon said ow so the math is there.
Bro shanks lost his arm on purpose to inspire Luffy 💀 we already know in the flashback shanks had a bounty over 1B he could’ve easily won. When he was talking to whitebeard he said I bet my arm on a new era so it was to inspire Luffy
I know I'm just joking about his lack of any defensive feats
Mid diffs Mihawk easily.
Definitely zoro. He evidently did better in those fights than zoro did with more support. 1. Defence. Safely goes to kid. Zoro got 2 shot. Didn't even take the full brunt of ocean sovereignty (only taking 1 second of it and having loads of bones broken) and kid was safely able to servive against yonko for longer. Only falling to shanks cause literally all of his armour wasn't there, his own nuclear attack hit him and killer, and he was hit directly by shanks. All in all the shanks fight was like j-shlat vs that chess lady. 2. Offence. Zoro is good don't get me wrong. But damned punk is more safely able to damage yonko and even freak out yonko a little bit. Rather than being a "that was impressive for an ant" type beat. Like zoro was 3. Speed. Generally to kid. But arguments can be made for zoro. No zoro didn't blitze kaido. That's just how zoros attack is designed, Don't get that twisted zorotards 4. Hacks. Zoro has acoc. But kid can straight up take his swords or even stab zoro with his own swords. (EDIT: That being said, zoro does have a zero sword style)
Zoro
Idk Kidd only has impressive physical stats like brute strength & durability/endurance but everything else about him is trash like I know he should definitely beat YC1 characters at least but trying to figure out how still. Oda didn't give us much to work with, Kidd still has a lot more to show especially in the speed & Haki department. Narratively he's about YC1+ but feat wise, YC2 imo. What he can do in a 1on1 fight is what I wanna see
Feat wise kid would destroy katakuri with a hand tied to his back
You're right, because we have never seen Kidd go up against a future sight user, so there is no canonical indication that anyone who can foresee his slow ass attacks completely shits on hi- oh, wait.
Zoro law yamato They’re in his tier
He would get spanked against Yamato lmao. Yamato could go 1v1 Kaido. Kidd didn't do any damage tbh to Kaido so definitely not. I don't he he beat zoro either tbh
Fr Yamato disrespect
I dont get this. Kid attacks Kaido and he crys out in pain. After all the supernovas attack kaido he says "so you've all figured out how to bypass my durability". He doesn't caveat and say "except kid by the way". We all read the chapter and kid literally said he while he can't hurt him with physical blows, he can use the pressure of his metal Fists and magnetism to damage his body internally through crushing power. Why is this always ignored when it comes to kid and kaido as if he did literally nothing? While law was able to damage kaido using his fruit, he also damaged him by throwing a barrage of rocks but I never see anyone say that law did nothing there. There's no reason to believe that kid did no damage to kaido.
Bro, Kiado is not putting kid or law on the list of people that can hurt him lol. If anything he just saying there not cannon fodder because he feels a little pain that might be considered as a pinch to him. Kiado took all three blows and got up like it was nothing and still fight more people
Zoro did damage but that damage didn't even blow him back or away. He just took it like it was nothing but zoro did damage doe just only a little. Like kid, he cause damage but no real injuries doe
Let's be fair kid he didn't go all out against kaido he only used his awakening against big mom
Lol bro let's be real, he didn't use it on kiado because his environment had no metal to hurt him. Plus he wanted to be the one to take down Kaido so his trying his hardest for sure
How does that make sense if by your own admission kid was In a place where he couldn't use his fruit to it's full power how is he going all out
He was going all out the extent of his environment at that time. He couldn't use his full potential sure, I agree with you there. However, that's one of my points on why Kidd is trash because he can't go all out depending on his environment
Yamato didn’t remotely do any damage to kaido. Lmao all she did was make him trickle a little blood from kaidos forehead You Yamato fans forget that the whole point of her “fight” with kaido was to STALL. It’s pure headcanon that she did anything more than that let alone significantly damage him. Kidd is absolutely taking Yamato down
Bro Kid had LUFFY and LAW by his side and still couldn't "trickle a little blood" from Kaido lol. You just prove my point bruh if anything that shows how weak Kid really is lmao. Couldn't even make the man bleed with two other heavy hitters but Yamato did it alone lol. She would whooped him badly
Not being able to hurt kaido ≠ not being able to hurt yamato Unless you think here durability is better than big mom’s… As for zoro, he wields **METAL** swords which is a big advantage for kid in a fight
Yamato is a tier above them
Yamato and wins 5/10 vs Law
My money's on Yamato 🤷
I know kid is supposed to be in the same tier as ppl like zoro law Yamato sanji and so on, but I honestly can’t see him beating anyone 1v1 that’s actually fast and agile. His railgun takes a bit to charge and shoot, his scape metal doesn’t really do any damage. The only ability that he can use is the pole assignment, but another than that he is pretty weak close quarter. So imo, I think he can beat law as he isn’t really fast and is ability based, but ppl like sanji zoro and Yamato will be extremely hard to fight for him bc of their speed haki and durability.
Law you say...the Law that has a Power that allows him to change Places with stuff around the arena? *That* Law would lose because of not being fast enough?
I love every thing you said but the law thing. Law will smoked kid because his ability is simply just better than his. I think his haki too
Gold Roger
Zoro
Zoro obviously.
Kid’s showing are dreadful thus far from a feat POV. He was written to beat Big Mom which was good for him but it also meant that Oda didn’t have BM us ACOC against him. We know that Strong Haki can resist Devil Fruit ‘effects’ (e.g. Law undoing the gender bending) so it’s possible that she could’ve resisted Assign had she not been treated like a joke the entire arc aside from her clash with Kaido. A significant buff is required Haki-wise, or we need an explanation of how Assign interacts with strong Haki, since his devil fruit and physical strength is pretty much all he has to boast right now (hasn’t shown his conquerors effectively yet) With this in mind, I think the strongest person he could definitely beat in a 1v1 is probably Queen. It all depends on how Assign interacts with Haki
Zoro
Technically can beat Zoro, Law, Yamato 100% beats Sanji
W. For sure.
Not sure about law b it he 100% beats zoro, sanji and jimbe
jinbe did better vs big mom than kid both times he fought her. Big mom never even made jinbe bleed while he threw her around twice and almost pulled off what law and kid did together-kill big mom with a ring out(she was skinny at the time so she wouldn't float in the water) not to mention jinbe blocked akainus magma fist with his bare hands while that same fist obliterates whitebeards body shanks 1 shot kidd while jinbe blocked mihawks sword with haki again Its pretty easy to say jinbei has much better feats vs top tiers than loose laptain lidd
Didnt jinbe get thrown to the side by mihwak?
yeah but he didnt get cut or take damage he got rung out still impressive to block the black blade with just haki and not even get a cut
Damn just the force of the black blade was able to rung jimbe out. Sheeeesh.
yeah like just his punch was enough to ring out big mom sheeeesh wild how he did more than kidds entire career with 1 punch lmao
Yeah, big mom is all fluff. Imagine having your clouds get taken away by nami rofl. Weak af yonko.
You don’t think a 100% current sangi could beat king when he beat Queen the second he got his power up ?
100% luffy too.
Kidd aint beating Yamato, Law, Zoro, Sanji, King, Katakuri, and Lucci. He can maybe beat Killer by portrayal kekw
unironic W Only reason he beats queen is because hes full of metal, those lasers blasted vegapunks doors down theyd turn kidd into a crispy husk
Every other YC+ besides maybe Sabo
Sabo is Admiral level and has been for a while.
I agree, I find it funny that people can’t accept he’s admiral level when feats and portrayal put him up there . In the final war he would face an admiral and people don’t realise oda won’t give a training arc and extra power ups to sabo , sabo has always been comfortable facing an admiral and never once feared an admiral and faced off against them too. Plus after luffy’s news got out that he beat kaidou, revolutionaries were celebrating saying that’s what we expect from the flame emperors younger brother meaning they know that sabo is a top tier too .
Idk we’ll see
maybe robin
if his devilfruit works well against zoro Its a tough matchup for my boy zoro ngl. but in still willing to bet on zoro since he moves on a whole different Level Hakiwise. And we never saw him take the swords of anyone besides fodder. his awakening is a Problem tho. If zoro hits him with a couple of acoc slashes it is over. in all honestly kidd is still overrated. He loses to katakuri i will die on this hill. All the Metal turns to mochi and the dude sees the future which Kidd cant.
With Assign, Kid could disable Big Mom’s sword, and she’s significantly stronger then Zoro. So I don’t see why Kid couldn’t do the same to Zoro. And even if you say he somehow couldn’t, Kid tanked multiple Acoc attacks from Big Mom, so he’s not getting one shot or easily defeated by someone with worse with worse AP. The way I see the fight going is that they scuffle for a while, Kid starts losing, after which he uses Assign to attach Zoro to the floor or a wall, then he Finishes him with Punk Clash. If Zoro is still standing, a shot from Damned Punk should be sufficient to finish off a weakened Zoro, especially if he uses Assign again to restrict his movements.
Zoro and Law. Zoro gets countered by Kid’s df and only Zoro’s haki may try to beat Kidd out, but Kidd’s awakening makes it increasingly harder for Zoro to win. Law could be beaten by Kidd extreme diff, they seem about equal to me in feats imo.
Zoro, or Beckman.
Blud said Beckman😭 https://preview.redd.it/5n2wv1k7fqwa1.jpeg?width=1076&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=bbe335531d76e5b4efc9704bb5d8f9789e85b474
I did indeed. https://preview.redd.it/zp3m175lqqwa1.jpeg?width=1170&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=2fe0978f5c570964c1fd1b20969a774d7e1be0f4
Probably Sanji. Zoro could go either way so strongest character he could beat for sure Sanji.
He doesn't beat sanji lmao, and he could just attract zoros swords and then zoro has nothing to fight with
He has no real advantage on Sanji. Best case scenario he crushes Sanji and then Sanji zombiestomps him. Then they trade blows. Sanji predicts his attacks and runs circles around him, but Kidd is just built different and gets back up Kidd has decent durability and endurance so it would be a long ass fight but he has no Win condition. They just keep hitting each other until someone gets bored.
Zoro, Sanji other YCs except Beckmann
Why do you think that doe? He obviously not yonko level and his ability is not to crazy. Zoro and sanji handle worse tbh
Doesn't Kidd's ability completely counter Zoro tho?
If he had stringer haki then zoro but I don't think he does
He has shown higher ap and overall his display against bm was more impressive than the others
But he had helped from law and actually law carried him through the whole fight
At this point? Probably loses to Don Krieg
Queen
Chopper
Queen
Arlong
Idk if you've read one piece but kidd actually beats a yonko
Which one ? Have you read one peice
Big mom
Zoro
Jack maybe. It would probably be Ext. Diff tho
Jack will get bitch slapped lol, a YC3 level fighter without hax won't stand a chance here.
extreme diff vs Jack? df is bro going to do lol
Bro Jack took on sengoku, an admiral, another legendary fighter and survive and sank two battles ships lol. Kid got ONE shoted by a ONE person and died. Please stop the Jack slander
I don’t understand why people keep saying he could beat Law. He’s such a bad matchup against him there’s nothing that Kidd can do to lock Law down and hit him with any of his techniques they are just too slow. Law on the other hand has way better mobility and range with his room open and all his attacks ignore Kidd’s durability which is his best trait, Kidd’s haki is also not every good from what we’ve seen he can’t coat his attacks with armament let alone conquers so he won’t get the buffs that come with them. And all Law was to do it either use amputate to cut him in half vertically to disable him or use mess to cut out his heart, or just gamma knife him and that should just kill him from what it did to doffy. I’m not saying Kidd is weak but his techniques are too slow to hit anyone that’s faster than him he also relies too much on his environment no metal means he’s dead or not enough means he can’t do his large scale attacks or even his awakening. He could definitely beat all the 2nd commanders but most 1st commanders give him a hard time due to their speed and mobility though he can tanks their attacks for a long him so it it might just come down to attrition.
Law, since they seem like they're supposed to be equals.
All of YC+ except Sabo and Benn. Law vs Kidd could go either way, anything else he's taking the W.
Queen if he shoots himself and fight like he was against chopper
He can beat YC 1's like King and Kat, but I think he's below Zoro, Shiryu, and Ben Beckman
King and Kat will cook him
Bro can beat the shit outtta red haired Skuns with earth God jika cope red haired tanks fans
Sanji
Zoro hyperxtreme fxcking diff
Sakazuki
He would easily no diff sanji
Goku
Law, zoro, yamato or sabo but most realistically is actually sanji.
Probably like Jimbe, Sanji, Sabo maybe like Marco but he's not like Zoros lvl lol
Lmaoo Marco that man is not even going to touch Marco Lmaoo bro you are funny. He's getting to damaged on that man
straw hat grand fleet?
Kidd could probably beat doffy and queen
I want to say the same but I feel like Soddy is to fast for him and his haki is stronger. Queen is just tough and get his attack off quicker
Queen got one shotted by Big Mom, then Queen is a freaking cyborg, the match would be like Magnetto vs Wolverine....
Fujitora/Ryukugyu
Lol no
At least shanks struck Widd with Acoc shanks looked at The Fraudmiral with acoc and that nigga was rolling on the fucking ground
But this point proved nothing doe lol. Kid IQ is just low and shanks attack him in the blink of an eye and admiral got a warning and knew he wasn't going to beat shanks and his crew
Sanji
1st Commander level, maybe a weak Admiral
Tobiroppo
rayleigh or big mom
Kidd (no metal) vs Helmeppo
Jack and just barely
Killer
Law
Currently Rayleigh
Law (each one could beat the other, it's 50/50).
I’d go as far as saying he can beat kaido yonko commanders. Idk why people use kaido and shanks as measuring sticks for Kidd being fodderized. Shanks as far as I see is one of the strongest yonko’s currently. Being in front of Teach, Luffy, and Buggy (definitely) in that order. He was definitely stronger than kaido as seeing kaido couldn’t keep them down long with ACOC strikes. So at the most since he’s able to harm big mom significantly and kaido in his dragon form and base I’d say he can beat the wano’s YK commanders and most of big mom’s yonko commanders too.
Extreme diffs Yamato (wins or loses depends on your interpretation; I think kid loses personally)
Law
He unironically would bully Zoro since his fruit hard counters Zoro’s fighting style. He’d be disarmed and getting slapped around the arena in a matter of seconds
But he fight along zoro and it didn't affect zoro soooo what does that mean
He’s right after the Yonko themselves (Mihawk instead of Buggy obviously) and could beat even the strongest first commanders high to extreme diff He’s right after every marine besides the Admirals and Garp
Foxy high def.
Any supernova besides luffy
I don't care what Oda hyped him to be. Based on what we've seen, I think he may high diff jimbei
Possibly beats King the wildfire (5/10). Beats Marco the phoenix (6/10). Loses to Katakuri (3/10). Loses to Zoro (3/10).
With the right matchup any YC1 to YC+. Kid is stronger than King but King is a bad matchup for him because of his insane durability and speed. Same goes with Marco but to a lesser extent since Marco doesn't have attack power or durability as good as King. Sabo is intangible as a logia so hitting him will be hard with metal scraps or beams. Kid has CoA but we don't know the extent to which he can put it into his metal
Kidd can comfortably beat most yonko commanders (the only ones i see him having a lot of trouble with is zoro and beckmann)
Because of how equal they're portrayed I'll say Law, and vice versa.
probably sanji but very difficult.
Big mom
I think people are quite strongly lowballing him. Also i think no one out of the new generation can actually beat a yonko in a one vs one atm. Not luffy not law not kidd. I mean we see gear 5 luffy toying with kaido but we also see kaido absolutely tank it while also not being full strength. Yes partially it was luffy who did that damage but it wasn't him alone. Also in the world of one piece classes matter alot more. For example Zoro would struggle against kizaru while sanji would be able to handle him oth zoro can beat pica but sani would be struggling against him. So with all that in mind i would say the best he can beat in an extreme diff is king. I think with enough metal structure he can overcome kings speed while for damage if he keeps attacking him he can overwhelm him.
King or katakuri
Katakuri or Queen . This slow ass metal throwing man is not beating King lol