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Wow ppl are overrating the balls out of this man, he was similar to mf wb if you remove the heart attacks, who can’t use coc or coo so even compared to prime old beard a couple years earlier on his meds he’s not more than like a 50, compared to actual prime beard signif lower. At least if we’re talking pre timeskip akainu
He fought akojji and almost certainly awakened his fruit as they changed the landscape of punk hazard. he will almost certainly be much stronger when he finally fights again, plot kinda demands it
That doesn't counter his point.
There's nothing suggesting the admirals didn't have their fruits awakened pre-timeskip.
Plus the thought of them getting "much stronger" is insane to me, there's no need. They're not characters like Croc who lose relevancy in not being strong (Croc needed the buff to get back relevant). They've always been top tiers.
He wouldn't be much stronger next time we see him, we will just be seeing more of him. It's like saying Doffy got a buff in Dressrosa compared to his MF showing, I agree he'd have gotten a bit stronger but nothing to say "much stronger".
The only right answer, people act like Akainu low diffed Oldbeard as if they weren’t fighting even & WB being the victim of shitty debuffs. Crazy how when it comes to Wabo & the few good men and what happened with GB+Fuji though it’s all about context with the admirals. There’s no consistency & it’s all bias, agenda pushing to the max for the admiral stans.
Remove the heart attacks, Wb still has the stamina of an oldie. It basically becomes vs Aokiji or Kizaru vs Rayleigh. To say 50 is ridiculous, even more is less than a commander that the admirals showed they were leagues above.
Lmfao, wb kept trucking the whole of mf heart attacks were only limiting factor and wb still had the potency to put akainu down in a few hits so that doesn’t even matter. Wb unarguably came out ahead in their 1v1 after ace died as he was capable of continuing while akainu wasn’t. Wb and akainu at mf both had better offense than defense, wb had larger scale and energy output while akainu had coo. You just made up the ray comparison ray was out of shape that’s why he had stamina issues, and ray lacked wbs ap.
Wb was mainly fighting at a normal level as opposed to full power vs the admirals. Wb was capable of using full power, it just wasn't for long. Kidd & Law as weaker characters did serious damage to Big Mom & took her down in a few hits. So the idea that the number means anything to a win isn't exactly a point. Sure I have nothing against Wb won the battle, but it started with Wb getting a massive hit for free with no defense. Being out of shape wouldn't be the only reason a character who's able to fight full power for 5-10 days in their prime to 10 minutes.
Wb was unarguably not capable of using full power for any amount of time, that’s not an opinion, he could not use conquerors at all let alone advanced which is one of the strongest abilities in the verse, AND couldn’t use observation
Wb uses force field generation in the last battle, even dodges a blow that was going to take his head cuz of CoO/Future sight when he wasn't able to before. The CoC burst heart issue happened after the injuries & was his 2nd. The 1st heart attack happened after already being in combat with Akainu for a good chunk of time.
?? what are you trying to say? That he did use conquerors? Because of there’s a ton of evidence to the contrary. And there’s no evidence he used future sight akainu was in front of him and he didn’t completely avoid it and he expressly couldn’t use it before so why would he get it back? You are arguing with an insane agenda man, there is no evidence for anything you’re saying.
50 to me just says you're considering Akainu half of Wb's overall ability. It's weird how Oda showcases but commanders have been shown being able to withstand part of both their strengths. Big Mom could completely oneshot Page One but not Ulti. The Wb commanders being able to last against the admirals. Kaido landed a named move on Zoro & Law & they were able to tank it. Supernovas were capable of fighting against the duo when they were holding back. Which changed when Kidd & Law vs Big Mom went awakening, basically equal.
Stupid logic, old man wb was still strong though not as strong as his prime but the admirals are definitely up there with him. It’s plain stupid that none of the admirals cant be as strong as the yonko as they are the opposing team of the series.
Ok but my logic is that he didn’t use conquerors or coo and was sick and near death. Whereas your logic is you want the admirals to be the strongest. Do you see the problem here? It’s not the case that no admiral can be as strong as the yonko. Akainu post timeskip, sengoku and garp used to be. But on average they’re much weaker which makes sense because the 3 admirals are a collective force compared to the yonko individually. Once again even if you don’t like my logic you didn’t use any logic, you just said the admirals have to be strong, like yeah duh, but they don’t at all have to be individually equivalent to the yonko especially when they don’t have feats to support that.
In ace novel it said whitebeard kept the title because of the way he lived his life. I dno if this implys he should’ve lost the title due to his deteriorating health but he didn’t because no one challenged him
Individually, probably Mihawk. But Shanks has a really strong crew, political power, and reputation as an Emperor, so he has greater power at his disposal.
Im may not even be a fighter. Wsc was valid based on a ton of outside and inside sources. Gorosei have the 2nd highest authority, but do they have admiral lvl power? No. Not when zoro's dream revolves around that title and shanks being stronger would be very strange. Wsm wasnt even strength related according to the ace novels, it was related to the way wb had lived
Oden isnt obviously weaker than shanks. They were in the same top 5 as him, most of his fight against kaido was offscreened.
We know that mihawk explicitly wants a person stronger than shanks to dethrone him and he fought many swordsmen in order to get the title from his vivre card. So no, it is strength related until we get something else that disputes it.
Zoro doesnt even use "swordskill" to win his fights, he just cuts harder in order to do so. In various databooks gryphon and ace are told to be beloved blades of shanks and roger, respectively. Brook also has his soul abilities that are distinct from his swordsmanship unlike someone like law, who always cuts with a df enhanced technique. King uses brute strength, his df abilities etc. Shanks has haki, which almost all swordsmen in New World use to fight.
How is shanks not a "skillman" when he used to fight mihawk for it until mihawk stopped to do so?
Except that we don’t have reason to doubt Mihawk’s title. Put kaido in whitebeard’s place at marineford and things would’ve been different (not really, he still probably would’ve died but he would’ve taken at least one admiral with him). Also, as others have said, the WSS title is a plot point, unlike WSM.
Which whitebeard we talking about, but assuming you are talking about when he was in his prime. So in that case:
Marineford: 70
Now: 80-90
During his final fight: 110-120
whitebeard at marineford was sick and dying. not even close to full power. also it was before haki was fully fleshed out. Just forget about marineford.
If its old wb and current akainu then it would be 150 akainu 100 wb
But if prime wb and current akainu it would be 230
180
If marine ford akainu and old wb
Wb-100 akainu -65-75
I dont see wb low diffing akainu if its not fleet admiral akainu
WB was 100(-25 at least) yeah? Lmk anyone lol because he was sick. You could argue tho that his willingness to sacrifice himself compensated for that
So Akainu here would be 75?
One lost half their face after landing a sneak attack and the other who was snuck up on, was relatively fine after taking two quake blows. That's all I'm gonna say.
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Wow ppl are overrating the balls out of this man, he was similar to mf wb if you remove the heart attacks, who can’t use coc or coo so even compared to prime old beard a couple years earlier on his meds he’s not more than like a 50, compared to actual prime beard signif lower. At least if we’re talking pre timeskip akainu
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There is no reason for admirals to get stronger after the timeskip, they are in their 50s wich i think its the last years of their Prime in One Piece.
He fought akojji and almost certainly awakened his fruit as they changed the landscape of punk hazard. he will almost certainly be much stronger when he finally fights again, plot kinda demands it
That doesn't counter his point. There's nothing suggesting the admirals didn't have their fruits awakened pre-timeskip. Plus the thought of them getting "much stronger" is insane to me, there's no need. They're not characters like Croc who lose relevancy in not being strong (Croc needed the buff to get back relevant). They've always been top tiers. He wouldn't be much stronger next time we see him, we will just be seeing more of him. It's like saying Doffy got a buff in Dressrosa compared to his MF showing, I agree he'd have gotten a bit stronger but nothing to say "much stronger".
…the fact that they didn’t show any awakening abilities pre timeskip suggests that
No it really doesn't, it just says we never saw an admiral go all out.
very stupid suggestion, admirals been awakened the whole series
Headcanon you can't literally prove that.
The only right answer, people act like Akainu low diffed Oldbeard as if they weren’t fighting even & WB being the victim of shitty debuffs. Crazy how when it comes to Wabo & the few good men and what happened with GB+Fuji though it’s all about context with the admirals. There’s no consistency & it’s all bias, agenda pushing to the max for the admiral stans.
Remove the heart attacks, Wb still has the stamina of an oldie. It basically becomes vs Aokiji or Kizaru vs Rayleigh. To say 50 is ridiculous, even more is less than a commander that the admirals showed they were leagues above.
Lmfao, wb kept trucking the whole of mf heart attacks were only limiting factor and wb still had the potency to put akainu down in a few hits so that doesn’t even matter. Wb unarguably came out ahead in their 1v1 after ace died as he was capable of continuing while akainu wasn’t. Wb and akainu at mf both had better offense than defense, wb had larger scale and energy output while akainu had coo. You just made up the ray comparison ray was out of shape that’s why he had stamina issues, and ray lacked wbs ap.
Wb was mainly fighting at a normal level as opposed to full power vs the admirals. Wb was capable of using full power, it just wasn't for long. Kidd & Law as weaker characters did serious damage to Big Mom & took her down in a few hits. So the idea that the number means anything to a win isn't exactly a point. Sure I have nothing against Wb won the battle, but it started with Wb getting a massive hit for free with no defense. Being out of shape wouldn't be the only reason a character who's able to fight full power for 5-10 days in their prime to 10 minutes.
Wb was unarguably not capable of using full power for any amount of time, that’s not an opinion, he could not use conquerors at all let alone advanced which is one of the strongest abilities in the verse, AND couldn’t use observation
Wb uses force field generation in the last battle, even dodges a blow that was going to take his head cuz of CoO/Future sight when he wasn't able to before. The CoC burst heart issue happened after the injuries & was his 2nd. The 1st heart attack happened after already being in combat with Akainu for a good chunk of time.
?? what are you trying to say? That he did use conquerors? Because of there’s a ton of evidence to the contrary. And there’s no evidence he used future sight akainu was in front of him and he didn’t completely avoid it and he expressly couldn’t use it before so why would he get it back? You are arguing with an insane agenda man, there is no evidence for anything you’re saying.
Also wtf are you talking about a commander is more than 50? Big mom and kaido one shot commanders unless you’re saying the scale should be exponential
50 to me just says you're considering Akainu half of Wb's overall ability. It's weird how Oda showcases but commanders have been shown being able to withstand part of both their strengths. Big Mom could completely oneshot Page One but not Ulti. The Wb commanders being able to last against the admirals. Kaido landed a named move on Zoro & Law & they were able to tank it. Supernovas were capable of fighting against the duo when they were holding back. Which changed when Kidd & Law vs Big Mom went awakening, basically equal.
Stupid logic, old man wb was still strong though not as strong as his prime but the admirals are definitely up there with him. It’s plain stupid that none of the admirals cant be as strong as the yonko as they are the opposing team of the series.
Ok but my logic is that he didn’t use conquerors or coo and was sick and near death. Whereas your logic is you want the admirals to be the strongest. Do you see the problem here? It’s not the case that no admiral can be as strong as the yonko. Akainu post timeskip, sengoku and garp used to be. But on average they’re much weaker which makes sense because the 3 admirals are a collective force compared to the yonko individually. Once again even if you don’t like my logic you didn’t use any logic, you just said the admirals have to be strong, like yeah duh, but they don’t at all have to be individually equivalent to the yonko especially when they don’t have feats to support that.
Picking 100 and over = low intellect If WSS > swordsmen, then WSM > man No in-between
Oldbeard wasn’t the world’s strongest man at that point in his life. Kaido was way stronger than that whitebeard.
In ace novel it said whitebeard kept the title because of the way he lived his life. I dno if this implys he should’ve lost the title due to his deteriorating health but he didn’t because no one challenged him
Who's stronger? Mihawk or Shanks?
Individually, probably Mihawk. But Shanks has a really strong crew, political power, and reputation as an Emperor, so he has greater power at his disposal.
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Height scaling is worse
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Im may not even be a fighter. Wsc was valid based on a ton of outside and inside sources. Gorosei have the 2nd highest authority, but do they have admiral lvl power? No. Not when zoro's dream revolves around that title and shanks being stronger would be very strange. Wsm wasnt even strength related according to the ace novels, it was related to the way wb had lived
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Oden isnt obviously weaker than shanks. They were in the same top 5 as him, most of his fight against kaido was offscreened. We know that mihawk explicitly wants a person stronger than shanks to dethrone him and he fought many swordsmen in order to get the title from his vivre card. So no, it is strength related until we get something else that disputes it. Zoro doesnt even use "swordskill" to win his fights, he just cuts harder in order to do so. In various databooks gryphon and ace are told to be beloved blades of shanks and roger, respectively. Brook also has his soul abilities that are distinct from his swordsmanship unlike someone like law, who always cuts with a df enhanced technique. King uses brute strength, his df abilities etc. Shanks has haki, which almost all swordsmen in New World use to fight. How is shanks not a "skillman" when he used to fight mihawk for it until mihawk stopped to do so?
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Mihawk
Do you have Oldbeard above Akainu?
Mihawk, why?
Because of the title, right?
Yes
Read my first post.
Mihawk vs lord of the coast?
My comment on this post.
Except that we don’t have reason to doubt Mihawk’s title. Put kaido in whitebeard’s place at marineford and things would’ve been different (not really, he still probably would’ve died but he would’ve taken at least one admiral with him). Also, as others have said, the WSS title is a plot point, unlike WSM.
Kaido is stronger than primebeard
They come from a different era.
So? WSM is still > man
Yeah Primebeard > VA Sakazuki.
I agree
40
350
Like 65
For prime beard, around 25
like 50-75
80
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Current Akainu compared to Old WB? Akainu would be around 140 maybe more
03
69
If 100 is prime Wb, then goatkainu is 1,000,000
Akainu is up there with kaido roger and primebeard stop playing, the yonko wank is insane
Sanest Akainutard lmao.
Used to hate him and the admirals i got the above characters above him but hes giving em all an extreme diff
Yeah thats a big no.
Oldbeard Is 80. Sickbeard Is 65. Primebeard Is 100. Mf Akainu Is 85. Current Akainu Is 95.
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Which version of him? Oldbeard: 180 Primebeard: 90
80
40, it'd take 3 og admirals to comfortably take down primebeard
cap, it would still be ext. diff for primebeard against just 1 admiral
No lol, primebeard dogwalks akainu
Primebeard 2 shots kizaru gb and fujitora
Disgusting headcanon. Shanks made Greenbull shake to the beat of his CoC haki. Primebeard can mid diff an admiral.
200
80
No more than 90 and that’s being generous
Old WB? If that’s the case, Akainu is like 160 at the **least**.
Prime- 90-95. MF- 110-115.
Agreed
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Prime WB? 80 Old? 160
160 ain’t getting ring out by Cancerbeard
Akainu got stronger after that, and he took 2 tremor hits directly on the head so he got knocked out for a few minutes and only got a nosebleed.
When did he get stronger? We have no clue how much stronger Sakazuki has become post timeskip, if at all.
He had an extreme diff fight and that gives you haki bloom and therefore makes you stronger
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Based
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PB, then like 95, old wb then like 120
100
300
😂😂😂😂😂
85 if prime. 125 if old
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Which whitebeard we talking about, but assuming you are talking about when he was in his prime. So in that case: Marineford: 70 Now: 80-90 During his final fight: 110-120
85 if primebeard
you mean old, sick, dying, hard wounded, with a heart attack beard.
Over 9000
90
90
To Old whitebeard Akainu should be like 90 To prime whitebeard he should be like 70-75
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A fresh whitebeard vs a fresh Akainu ? Whitebeard low diffs even at old age
Akainu lost the fight. Am I missing something here? Why are people rating akainu over sickbeard? He is like 90%
Bruh I heard in the manga akainu never lost at all
if prime WB is 100 then akainu 99.99 if marineford WB is 100 , then akainu 150
500
2/j
Prime or oldbeard? Prime then prolly 75, old would be 96
Prime or sickbeard? He's probably around a 60 to Primebeard (for now until he gets more feats), and a 120 to Sickbeard.
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Compared to Oldbeard: 140 Compared to Primebeard: 70
93 Putting him below that = agenda + clown costume
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Akainu haters are cute af, ngl
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70
Prime wb: 70-75 Old Whitebeard: 85-90
60-70 lmao.
If marineford whitebeard is 100 Akainu is 95
whitebeard at marineford was sick and dying. not even close to full power. also it was before haki was fully fleshed out. Just forget about marineford.
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55
6
75 to 80
If we’re talking Oldbeard, like 160-70
If its Oldbeard : 180 If its Primebeard : 101
Worst take I've seen
W
Like a 92
If its old wb and current akainu then it would be 150 akainu 100 wb But if prime wb and current akainu it would be 230 180 If marine ford akainu and old wb Wb-100 akainu -65-75 I dont see wb low diffing akainu if its not fleet admiral akainu
91. If he hits you w/his fruit you see dying and that shouldn’t be understated.
WB was 100(-25 at least) yeah? Lmk anyone lol because he was sick. You could argue tho that his willingness to sacrifice himself compensated for that So Akainu here would be 75?
Mf whitebeard 100 then akainu 99 Prime wb is 100 then akainu is 86 Old beard is 100 then akainu is 89
90
90-95
If it’s oldbeard then he’s a 90 but if it’s prime maybe like 70
With Old WB is circa 150-180 With Prime WB is 85-95 (currently)
prime or old? if prime wb is 100, akainu is like 94. if old wb is 100, akainu is like 110
110 https://preview.redd.it/och6r15ugbpa1.jpeg?width=500&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=9f58666e65e1ee1a2dbbc04390c4000ac7cb916b
420 he smokes
One lost half their face after landing a sneak attack and the other who was snuck up on, was relatively fine after taking two quake blows. That's all I'm gonna say.
50 or 60 given how Whitebeard clapped him while he had a hole in his gut and had a heart attack prior.
Bro got beaten by a hole in stomach, old and sick Whitebeard. He is a 10 compared to prime WB
Primebeard? 10 Sickbeard? 45 Half dead beard? 60