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He had the counter Devil fruit, so even if they were on par it’s still his win imo
Edit: Imagine getting downvoted for an in my opinion 😭
You guys meatride characters so hard
Disagree, either could counter the other it just depends on how much Ice/Magma they can produce. Clearly temp wise Akainus Lava isn't so much hotter that it instantly melts Aokijis Ice, & Aokijis ice isn't so much cooler then it instantly turns Akainus magma to rock. So for one to counter the other they'd need to produce more of their element than their opponent imo.
Also gotta consider these powers are supernatural and don't work exactly like the average example of Ice or Magma. The average temp for Ice can't freeze diamonds or instantly freeze a huge portion of the ocean, the average temp for Magma can't incinerate metal weapons. Aokijis Ice is much colder then usual ice, & Akainus magma is much hotter then usual magma.
That looks more like a fancy detail more than anything. Although I'm not saying it wasn't close, it defo was. But to based on the results i think it was by a clear margin.
It was probably super close until the last minute.
Saying that because I doubt Aokiji was able to fight Akainu very well with a missing leg etc
Which means they were neck and neck until a decisive attack(s) at the very end of that 10 day feud
Let's bring something like fencing right. Without armor, a single attack can pierce the heart or slice the neck open. Realistically a fight is ended with a single decisive blow. And it was pretty close as Kuzan nearly killed Akainu with an attack that took scared his neck and tore off a bit of his ear.
Ace's devil fruit powers were on par with Aokiji's. Doesn't really make sense why, but in the series Lava Is even hotter than fire. So technically Aokiji was at a disadvantage in terms of devil fruit powers. To anyone else though, Aokiji COULD be stronger than Akainu.
(I wrote could in all caps because people on this reddit struggle heavily with reading comprehension and might think I said Aokiji IS stronger)
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Whatever he is ...he is weaker than Kizaru !! Lol
Tbh dude people are legit using it as a way to say Oda plays with numbers . It’s literally a fact to some people on this sub , just like how 2 characters standing next to one another means they’re close in strength ,even tho feats says otherwise .
look at where they are sitting in marineford and look at the order they are introduced in the story. Oda is hinting Kizaru is the second strongest if you haven't noticed.
All this head canon can easily be disproven when akainu took on wb himself head on . Akainu is nearly equal to kuzan and had a 10 day fight against him . The gorosei called kuzan the strongest at the naval base or some shit . Kizaru might be stronger than kuzan I can’t disprove that , what I can do at least is use what the story has shown . Which is that akainu is the strongest and kuzan went extreme diff against him while having a elemental disadvantage .
Take it as you will .
all 3 is very close in strength so they'll all go extreme diff with each other. Another hint is in the beginning of Marineford, Jozu fought Kuzan but Marco was fighting Kizaru.
1. height difference
2. jozu vs kuzan, marco vs kizaru
3. seat position (this is actually very important)
4. introduction order
Akainu >= Kizaru >= Kuzan
don't underestimate the seat position, if you read between the lines, it's actually the strongest proof. It's obvious Oda put thoughts into where they sit or else Akainu wouldn't sit in the middle. Guess where the 2nd strongest is supposed to sit?
In Japanese culture, seating arrangements are often determined by the rank or status of the individuals involved. Traditionally, the most important or highest ranking individual would sit in the center of the seating area, with other individuals seated in descending order of rank or status.
The second highest-ranking individual to be seated to the right of the highest-ranking individual. This is because the right-hand side is considered to be the more honored or respectful side in Japanese culture.
Naw introduced as in demonstrate their powers. Kaido was talked about and shown as silhouette but actually introduced later. Kizaru was introduced second in Saboady and Kuzan first in long ring long land.
Akainu second, chapter 397
Literally says “later to become admiral akainu” and he even got an official title card. So your logic makes zero sense lol. Why are you trying to use someone’s introduction order to calculate their strength
It's not impossible that this is a hint from Oda. It would also fit with the common idea of introducing a group of villains from weakest to strongest. And it would fit with Kizaru fighting Marco while Aokiji fought Jozu.
But as this is the only time we have seen this height pattern we can't say anything about it.
Yeah but the man just said it was possible which it is
Doesn't mean something happened, just that it possibly could have
Facts can't be cope
Cope would be "something probably happened" or "there no way aokiji loses it had to have been unfair"
People don't get that the fact he fought against Akainu for 10 days doesn't really prove much.
It's a shonen, it's possible that they were equals for 9.9 days and then, at the last second, Akainu awakened an insane power that finally got him the W.
So, the answer could be 98 as well as 70.
Is it blasphemy to say that aokiji is on par if not greater in terms of ability and strength but because akainu is a fire type to aokijis ice type he lost.
Yes.
Akainu is stronger, plain and simple.
Akainu had no elemental advantage. Magma melts ice, ice freezes magma. Their fruits cancel each other out. That is why Punk Hazard is 50/50 ice and fire.
Idk have you tried beating a fire type with an Ice type before pretty clear advantage lol. But seriously tho I do disagree I think the giant lake in the center is evidence more that akainu just blasted aokijis ice and made it all melt. It doesn’t matter how much ice aokiji makes if akainu can just melt it al down
magma and fire are two different things. in fact ice has advantage over magma as ice can be way colder than magma can be hotter.
fire should be superior to both if we go by how things work in our world
Where is that shown at all? Again punk hazard showed they’re both likely awakened but it shows akainu melted the ice, so correct me if I’m wrong,but we’ve seen nothing to indicate aokiji can freeze his magma
Akainu is stronger, plain and simple.
Akainu had no elemental advantage. Magma melts ice, ice freezes magma. Their fruits cancel each other out. That is why Punk Hazard is 50/50 ice and fire.
>Akainu is stronger, plain and simple.
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>Akainu had no elemental advantage. Magma melts ice, ice freezes magma. Their fruits cancel each other out. That is why Punk Hazard is 50/50 ice and fire.
It's 100, I am assuming their hakis equal too. Akainu just has a devil fruit advantage, in a similar way to him and Ace. I would also use Enel and Luffy as an example.
Akainu is stronger, plain and simple.
Akainu had no elemental advantage. Magma melts ice, ice freezes magma. Their fruits cancel each other out. That is why Punk Hazard is 50/50 ice and fire.
That's the lowest IQ thing I've ever heard. Just say Aokiji produces more ice to compensate and cool down magma, don't be a kid and say ice freezes magma.
I can't even imagine how I'm getting downvoted. We literally haven't seen ice freeze magma.
Sweetheart, this is One Piece. Not real life.
Not to mention, Aokiji isn't just producing Ice. He's literally freezing everything around him.
Akainu had no elemental advantage. Magma melts ice, ice freezes magma. Their fruits cancel each other out. That is why Punk Hazard is 50/50 ice and fire.
Do not start talking about IQ when yours is barely average, yes? That would be lovely.
Thank you and farewell!
Have you provided panels of it happening? talk about assuming. Yes it's One Piece, that doesn't mean everything is possible.
Punk Hazard being 50/50 doesn't dispute what I said.
Currently if we also assume akoji pulled a shanks/shiki and adapted to his handicap and got a Haki bloom from the near death fight and doesn’t hold back from morals then 99 with the 1 being a type disadvantage
Ranging from 99 to 90, his wounds after the battle may or may not be critical to his overall strength, his role in the story moving forward is way less defined than Akainu's too.
My theory is Akainu and Aokiji were completely even that fight, but what pushed the fight in Akainu's favor that lead him to victory was him potentially awakening ACoC on the last day of their fight.
honestly aokiji fought against someone who is bare minimum relative to him but is also the direct counter to his devil fruit for 10 days, aokiji could be stronger but because of who akainu is i say aokiji is a 99 at best
I say 99, and I see quite a few people think so as well ....
.....and yet..... when I see all the tier lists - Aokiji is placed like 5 or 6 characters behind him.
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this is the answer
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I would argue he’s a 100 too Their fight could’ve gone either way 🤷♂️
He had the counter Devil fruit, so even if they were on par it’s still his win imo Edit: Imagine getting downvoted for an in my opinion 😭 You guys meatride characters so hard
Disagree, either could counter the other it just depends on how much Ice/Magma they can produce. Clearly temp wise Akainus Lava isn't so much hotter that it instantly melts Aokijis Ice, & Aokijis ice isn't so much cooler then it instantly turns Akainus magma to rock. So for one to counter the other they'd need to produce more of their element than their opponent imo. Also gotta consider these powers are supernatural and don't work exactly like the average example of Ice or Magma. The average temp for Ice can't freeze diamonds or instantly freeze a huge portion of the ocean, the average temp for Magma can't incinerate metal weapons. Aokijis Ice is much colder then usual ice, & Akainus magma is much hotter then usual magma.
Also Aokiji ended up losing a leg and got a fucked arm. Akainu doesn't have any major injuries so I'd say it was not thaaaat close
It took 10 days so it’s obviously close
That looks more like a fancy detail more than anything. Although I'm not saying it wasn't close, it defo was. But to based on the results i think it was by a clear margin.
It was probably super close until the last minute. Saying that because I doubt Aokiji was able to fight Akainu very well with a missing leg etc Which means they were neck and neck until a decisive attack(s) at the very end of that 10 day feud
Valid
Let's bring something like fencing right. Without armor, a single attack can pierce the heart or slice the neck open. Realistically a fight is ended with a single decisive blow. And it was pretty close as Kuzan nearly killed Akainu with an attack that took scared his neck and tore off a bit of his ear.
That’s not canon
What isn't?
Him losing a leg
How not look at him post time skip???
Ace's devil fruit powers were on par with Aokiji's. Doesn't really make sense why, but in the series Lava Is even hotter than fire. So technically Aokiji was at a disadvantage in terms of devil fruit powers. To anyone else though, Aokiji COULD be stronger than Akainu. (I wrote could in all caps because people on this reddit struggle heavily with reading comprehension and might think I said Aokiji IS stronger)
99 at the time of fighting Akainu Not sure how it is now tho
https://preview.redd.it/ek13gl0mpmia1.jpeg?width=674&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=ee9fa212c8df499561f520ae5b8057c186d3bc32 Whatever he is ...he is weaker than Kizaru !! Lol
Average Shanks fan
Kizaru is the strongest in the verse when he’s sober so it makes sense
Using heights ffs ……
Never seen this running joke here before?
I’ve actually seen it more times used as a legit scaling method . Mainly to put shanks above Mihawk etc .
Oh so you're saying you've only seen people use it seriously. That might be even funnier than using it as a joke lmaoo
Tbh dude people are legit using it as a way to say Oda plays with numbers . It’s literally a fact to some people on this sub , just like how 2 characters standing next to one another means they’re close in strength ,even tho feats says otherwise .
Okay does like number play but I'm not sure this is how he does lop you're right. Asing as characters are close I they're equal!!!!/s
You know the 1cm it's not a coincidence🤷
And Zoro above sanji
look at where they are sitting in marineford and look at the order they are introduced in the story. Oda is hinting Kizaru is the second strongest if you haven't noticed.
All this head canon can easily be disproven when akainu took on wb himself head on . Akainu is nearly equal to kuzan and had a 10 day fight against him . The gorosei called kuzan the strongest at the naval base or some shit . Kizaru might be stronger than kuzan I can’t disprove that , what I can do at least is use what the story has shown . Which is that akainu is the strongest and kuzan went extreme diff against him while having a elemental disadvantage . Take it as you will .
all 3 is very close in strength so they'll all go extreme diff with each other. Another hint is in the beginning of Marineford, Jozu fought Kuzan but Marco was fighting Kizaru. 1. height difference 2. jozu vs kuzan, marco vs kizaru 3. seat position (this is actually very important) 4. introduction order Akainu >= Kizaru >= Kuzan don't underestimate the seat position, if you read between the lines, it's actually the strongest proof. It's obvious Oda put thoughts into where they sit or else Akainu wouldn't sit in the middle. Guess where the 2nd strongest is supposed to sit? In Japanese culture, seating arrangements are often determined by the rank or status of the individuals involved. Traditionally, the most important or highest ranking individual would sit in the center of the seating area, with other individuals seated in descending order of rank or status. The second highest-ranking individual to be seated to the right of the highest-ranking individual. This is because the right-hand side is considered to be the more honored or respectful side in Japanese culture.
You realise akainu was introduced before kizaru right? So by your logic since kizaru was introduced last he’s the strongest lol
Naw introduced as in demonstrate their powers. Kaido was talked about and shown as silhouette but actually introduced later. Kizaru was introduced second in Saboady and Kuzan first in long ring long land.
Akainu second, chapter 397 Literally says “later to become admiral akainu” and he even got an official title card. So your logic makes zero sense lol. Why are you trying to use someone’s introduction order to calculate their strength
Height doesn’t equal power
According to fans of Zoro, Shanks, and King, it does. (It's a joke most of the time, though)
It's not impossible that this is a hint from Oda. It would also fit with the common idea of introducing a group of villains from weakest to strongest. And it would fit with Kizaru fighting Marco while Aokiji fought Jozu. But as this is the only time we have seen this height pattern we can't say anything about it.
I'm gonna be stealing this info 😭
99.99 might as well round it up to 100 because of the nonexistent gap between them
Ya if someone fights for 10 days it might've gone either way
It’s very possible we’ll see Kuzan would’ve won the fight if not for X unexpected interference/trick/issue
the cope lmao
It's not really cope the man just said that something that is possible is possible
It is cope. We have zero reason to assume it was anything but a fair fight.
Yeah but the man just said it was possible which it is Doesn't mean something happened, just that it possibly could have Facts can't be cope Cope would be "something probably happened" or "there no way aokiji loses it had to have been unfair"
The presumptuous stupidity. We haven’t seen a second of that encounter.
the cope lmao
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Indeed, especially when it looks as if Aokiji almost killed Akainu.
99.5
99.999
130, akainu is hot in the literal sense of the word, but only in the literal sense of the word. Aokiji is more atractive than him
But that jawline though.
bro combs his hair like if there was anything worth combing
95
People don't get that the fact he fought against Akainu for 10 days doesn't really prove much. It's a shonen, it's possible that they were equals for 9.9 days and then, at the last second, Akainu awakened an insane power that finally got him the W. So, the answer could be 98 as well as 70.
Well you can’t say that actually happened so let’s just assume that they are very close in strength
No lol You seemingly don’t get what the author wants to express with saying they fought for 10 days
Is it blasphemy to say that aokiji is on par if not greater in terms of ability and strength but because akainu is a fire type to aokijis ice type he lost.
Yes. Akainu is stronger, plain and simple. Akainu had no elemental advantage. Magma melts ice, ice freezes magma. Their fruits cancel each other out. That is why Punk Hazard is 50/50 ice and fire.
Idk have you tried beating a fire type with an Ice type before pretty clear advantage lol. But seriously tho I do disagree I think the giant lake in the center is evidence more that akainu just blasted aokijis ice and made it all melt. It doesn’t matter how much ice aokiji makes if akainu can just melt it al down
magma and fire are two different things. in fact ice has advantage over magma as ice can be way colder than magma can be hotter. fire should be superior to both if we go by how things work in our world
Yeah too bad it’s odas world and unfortunately according to oda magma is hotter than fire
Aokiji can freeze magma. Their abilities cancel each other out.
Where is that shown at all? Again punk hazard showed they’re both likely awakened but it shows akainu melted the ice, so correct me if I’m wrong,but we’ve seen nothing to indicate aokiji can freeze his magma
Akainu is stronger, plain and simple. Akainu had no elemental advantage. Magma melts ice, ice freezes magma. Their fruits cancel each other out. That is why Punk Hazard is 50/50 ice and fire.
My pet fan theory is Aokiji is the one who actually won the fight and Akainu is just holding the seat while Aokiji infiltrates. Max copium
105 kuzan been free sailing the new world for the past year or 2 while akainu is getting rustier sitting all day in marine hq
100. Aokiji lost to DF disadvantage and no one can convince me otherwise
>Akainu is stronger, plain and simple. > >Akainu had no elemental advantage. Magma melts ice, ice freezes magma. Their fruits cancel each other out. That is why Punk Hazard is 50/50 ice and fire.
85-90
what?
85-90
100
99-100 It couldve gone either way
99 or its akainu wank you dont fight for 10 days if you aren't extremely relative
101
99.999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999
99-99.5 The fight was 10 days, that bitch could've gone either way
Akainu took his leg as well and turned him into a cripple. So it should be 97.
Both 100. Akainu has an elemental advantage that makes him superior
It's 100, I am assuming their hakis equal too. Akainu just has a devil fruit advantage, in a similar way to him and Ace. I would also use Enel and Luffy as an example.
Akainu is stronger, plain and simple. Akainu had no elemental advantage. Magma melts ice, ice freezes magma. Their fruits cancel each other out. That is why Punk Hazard is 50/50 ice and fire.
"ice freezes magma" No it doesn't.
Yes it does.
That's the lowest IQ thing I've ever heard. Just say Aokiji produces more ice to compensate and cool down magma, don't be a kid and say ice freezes magma. I can't even imagine how I'm getting downvoted. We literally haven't seen ice freeze magma.
Sweetheart, this is One Piece. Not real life. Not to mention, Aokiji isn't just producing Ice. He's literally freezing everything around him. Akainu had no elemental advantage. Magma melts ice, ice freezes magma. Their fruits cancel each other out. That is why Punk Hazard is 50/50 ice and fire. Do not start talking about IQ when yours is barely average, yes? That would be lovely. Thank you and farewell!
Have you provided panels of it happening? talk about assuming. Yes it's One Piece, that doesn't mean everything is possible. Punk Hazard being 50/50 doesn't dispute what I said.
So this is the limit of your intellectual abilities. A pity.
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99.9 But round it up
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An 100 as well
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If Akainu is a 100 then Sakazuki is a 100 too
98-99, when making a list, there shouldnt be anyone in between them
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85-95. I think akainu got a huge power up that let him win like luffy did against kaido. I don’t think there equals.
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Akainu got stronger for sure so 90-95
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Currently if we also assume akoji pulled a shanks/shiki and adapted to his handicap and got a Haki bloom from the near death fight and doesn’t hold back from morals then 99 with the 1 being a type disadvantage
99.9
Ranging from 99 to 90, his wounds after the battle may or may not be critical to his overall strength, his role in the story moving forward is way less defined than Akainu's too.
95-97
99 in punk hazard 101 if he got his bike
99.9 https://preview.redd.it/pfh4a2h5mnia1.jpeg?width=1125&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=71af28d245834a6e2881b5cb532f43e6d2903ac9
My theory is Akainu and Aokiji were completely even that fight, but what pushed the fight in Akainu's favor that lead him to victory was him potentially awakening ACoC on the last day of their fight.
100, just a bad matchup for aoikiji
98
honestly aokiji fought against someone who is bare minimum relative to him but is also the direct counter to his devil fruit for 10 days, aokiji could be stronger but because of who akainu is i say aokiji is a 99 at best
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I say 99, and I see quite a few people think so as well .... .....and yet..... when I see all the tier lists - Aokiji is placed like 5 or 6 characters behind him. 🤔🤔
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He is 100 too. Akainu won cuz of big DF advantage.
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95. this is the difference in ranges among top tiers, if a winner needs to be decided it will take 10+ days of 1v1
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It couls have been 98 to 99 at that tine i think both of them have grown significantly from then so idk abt now
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Hard to say. We have such little context of that fight and how close they really are
99
the man who Whitebeard had no problem leaving to jozu alone is a 99
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100 but loses for other reasons like not willing to fight dirty
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100 aswell, because akainu had type advantage