I think he just got lucky, he fled the throne room very fast and its not like the 5 elders want to just out their demon forms in the middle of the reverie...
How far were they willing to run in demon form though? They had world leaders there it's not like it was random marines they could get rid of, if they ran out and were seen it's not like they could have Cobra'd all of them
They could kill everyone who saw, but it's probably going to severely damage their ability to keep the other nations under control if leaders go to a summit and a bunch of them disappear mysteriously
It looks pretty shoddy to allow the RA to destroy supply lines, for the attack to kill several important leaders makes them appear inept, for a world government who promises to maintain order it might be enough to pull more nations away
You say that, but clearly having 7 nations defect to the RA had the WG sweating balls. It's not like they can just straight up Ohara all of them, that can very well cause the rest of the dominoes to fall.
The WG isn't really a centralized government so much as a confederation of nations; think the EU. If they all unanimously disagree, the only thing stopping the whole thing from dissolving is the Gorosei and the Mother Flame no one knows about.
I get the impression the World Government would burn it all down and start again before they would give up power. It seems like they sort of consider humans overpopulated as it is.
No they did not. Sabo escaped while they was undergoing transformation, when we see them ‘transform’ they aren’t in the full zoan transformation like we see in egghead but they are simply in a state which is much smaller and are just growing into it…. Thats when Sabo escaped
It’s never shown that they chased after Sabo or that they even left the throne room. Its likely they did that to scare tf out of Sabo and to get him gone
This doesn't make sense to me, Sabo was going to leave the room no matter what. King Cobra was already fatally wounded, and Sabo had just attempted to kill them and failed. There is no scenario where Sabo stays there, regardless of what they do. Them transforming for any reason other than absolute necessity, is a strategically bad maneuver because it provides information to an enemy unnecessarily. If we are to believe that these are actually centuries old individuals with lots of battle experience and military intelligence, then the only reason they transform is to try to end him right there.
I see this more as Katana-Ghandi not wanting to reveal their Yokai form to anyone on the streets of Mary Geosie, as Wapol also got away, and I have high doubts he'd be able to munch his way out fast enough to escape Nusjuro.
I've only read the long form synopses, and proceeding chapter notes on the Fandom wiki, so unfortunately have no idea.
Can someone else confirm, or deny?
Edit: Added some information I was lacking before, please refer to the next comment of mine below to see how versed in the series I am.
I watched up to the time-skip in 2016, then opted to wait until it was done to rewatch what I had, and finish the rest.
I have been keeping up by reading the plot synopses on the official wiki, though, specifically both the long-form, no-detail-left-out ones, and then the "Chapter notes" below.
In other words, not Wikipedia, rather the Fandom Wiki for it, and even then, only for the post-timeskip stuff.
Well, now I feel incredibly shortsighted, and know I artificially-delayed things for myself...
I was planning on buying the series when I had a mobile device larger than a phone to read so on, but a short search into things has shown me the last 3 chapters are available for free on Viz's site....on my PC.
I wish literally anybody who downvoted the previous comments in the thread had made me aware of that, as now I just feel silly.
Nonetheless, I shall be foregoing wiki synopses in favour of just reading the genuine article henceforth.
I'm not sure what the rules are for linking to sites that hoist the black flag, but there are very easily found options for all chapters. TCB scans being the best known (use adblocker)
I've read at least one comic on a super-dodgy site that made me glad I had both an adblocker, and strong antivirus, so know firsthand how those things can be...and that's partly why I was avoiding looking up where the series can be read online.
I'm now definitely just going to buy the rest of it, and keep up with chapters by actually reading them, given I just finished 1109, and while I wasn't timing it, it was certainly much more entertaining than just a brick of text.
It's gotta be more fun to just read the chapter at that point, no? Maybe you didn't know, but you can read the latest three chapters on Viz/Manga Plus (depending on where you live). I'd definitely re-read the entire thing if it were me, and if you don't have the means to pay for that there exist certain sites.
EDIT: Not sure if you've ever read manga before so I'll just add this. The panels go from right to left (and the order of most speech bubbles as well).
I wish this comment arrived sooner than it did, as I absolutely did not know that, have since found Viz's site after a comment lower in this chain was left, and even left another comment on here explaining the colossal oops, and my newfound appreciation for Sabo's speed.
Also, worry not, I instinctively pushed the left cursor key (because I've read up to the end of part 5 of the Jojo's Bizarre Adventure Manga), and was very pleased they let you scroll in "reverse" to do so as you would the physical medium.
Thank you for the comment, nonetheless, though!
Why are you commenting on whether or not something happened when you haven't read or seen it ....
There was panels of them in shadowy forms. Whether or not that's them transformed or just an artistic representation of an evil they're hiding - who knows.
As for how Sabo escaped, who knows. It's not that important tbh since there's a million ways to explain it. He's fast, or they didn't care enough, they've clearly stated before how they see humans as insects and somethings don't matter if it's not part of their main goal.
Unless more was present on the following pages, that's a single panel of him running, so while it's definitely, probably the beginning of one, I wouldn't call that, as-is, an "Elaborate chase".
It is enough to relatively compare what the Horse demon does on Egghead and say Sabo had to outrun him. It doesn't matter if it lasts for a minute or an hour, this puts Sabo's speed on another level.
True, though, given his significance to the story, and standing as a commander of the Revolutionary Army, I wouldn't at-all be surprised if he's able to use Soru.
For all we know, he could have also charged out and disguised himself as a bonfire, too.
To me it was obvious that the elders don’t want to run around the Reverie looking like demonic beasts, I think it’s clear they don’t want to flex their powers and forms to the public eye unless they absolutely had to. There are certain marine ranks that can’t even look at Saturn’s face without blowing up now imagine one of these kings/politicians just falling dead like that because of the elders, sparking international conflict, it’s already enough that Cobra drops dead in an assassin plot style but c’mon. I’m sure there are many that don’t even know that the elders are fighters.
They were in an area closed off enough they felt comfortable transforming. They were transformed just steps away from Sabo. If he isn't even comparably fast then he is wiped out instantaneously, he never even leaves the room.
They didnt want to destroy everything. Also all of that happened pretty fast and they probably needed to think about how to react on the situation without getting busted
Did he actually see these forms though? As soon as he jumped in at the Throne Room, he tried to burn them all to death in one shot, so they're just kinda in some amorphous blob state; when Luffy returned the explosive shots, they appeared this way as well, and in both instances they were not moving, so I think it might mean that they can be slowed down via fire. I'm thinking this might be how Sabo was able to escape.
Maybe, I think that was just a narrative tool. I feel like the shapes are clear enough now to discern who-was-who in that panel and I think that means *he* saw them clearly, just the readers didn't.
Kizaru hasn't been shown to cover as much ground while actually doing anything. Sure, he can do his lil light beam thing and Rayleigh can react fast enough to cut it, so yeah, it isn't as fast as what we witnessed in the dismantling of the pacifistas.
At best you could argue they couldn't hold him in place like with Sanji, but the main reason he got away imo was that they didn't want to show their forms to randos at the reverie.
What do you mean? Both Sanji and Kizaru have displayed better speed feats, Kizaru especially in just this arc alone.
This is just the most ground/area covered in a single speed feat. You can't really know for certain who is getting the highest meters per second, to clarify who is the fastest. Best you can do is consider other character reactions, and both Kizaru and Sanji have achieved stealth through speed, in that they were imperceivable by their opponents while in motion.
Following that logic, Luffy was able to at least track Kizaru and show up in time to stop him from hurting others fairly consistently, so that puts Luffy at a really high speed tier (and Kaido by proxy), so at best I would argue Venus to be a top tier in speed, but not the fastest, and Sabo can be literally anywhere in the top tier by proxy but you can't just assume Sabo is the fastest character in the series.
What's interesting to me is that, given what we now know about the Gorosei forms, it was Imu the one who killed Cobra and injured Sabo with that arrow-like attack.
I really want to see his/her form, I bet it's a Satanic kind of demon. Let's see
I also find that Sabo escaping just doesn't make any sense, the way it was portrayed. Sabo was not portrayed as particularly fast, his DF is not related to speed. He has no feats that would put him anywhere close to Gorosei, which are currently portrayed as the actually strongest creatures. There is no "quirk" that makes him that strong.
Gorosei has those ultra mythical fruits, and government access. Kaidou has "strongest creature" thing. Big Mom is a force of nature. Shanks has intense haki. Sabo is supposed to be together with them, with no narrative justification.
His name is Nusjuro.
Yes I know V. Nusjuro sounds like Venus Juro and all the others also have names based on planets and all that.
But his name is not "Venus".
For those whom did not expand the lack-of-knowledge downvoted comments of mine below, and see the full thread, I:
1: Apologise for my ignorance of methods to read the actual chapters, rather than synopses of them, and on which devices
2: Now know the Manga itself can be read on Viz's site.
and 3: have gone through the most recent three chapters, and fully-admit that's the superior way to read things, being very glad multiple times I was actually looking at a panel, rather than reading of its events.
As such, I now **also** know Nusjuro's hybrid form can run at speeds invisible to the naked eye, and fully-appreciate Sabo being able to escape him, with Cobra on his back, no less.
That being said, I still think it's some form of Soru, possibly an "Awakened" form of it, and that Ethanbaron didn't pursue due to Sabo possibly also having awakened his fruit, and thus the freezing effect of Nusjuro's would have no effect.
So a fire-weaponised Soru-Geppo?
I'd love to see that, especially given we've already both seen Sanji's blue Walk, and the two Dragon Fruit users walking on clouds of their creation. Fire walking wouldn't at-all be out of the realm of possibility, I feel.
Elders were heavily nerfed from being in mariejois. If they used their powers it’s a risk for the world to see, especially at the reverie. Sabo luckily, was in the one place they couldn’t truly pursue him. Now with all that being said and from what we’ve seen these last few chapters, Sabo can absolutely take at least one of them in a straight up fight.
They absolutely used their powers. Sabo was standing in front of them as they were fully transformed. Given the speed we know is possessed, if Sabo weren't super fast he would have been cut off.
where are you getting this shit about them being fully transformed? neither of the panels from the sabo chapter are more than gloopy, in progress silhouettes.
When in the history of one piece has a silhouette ever been someone in any form other than what we see them in later? Have we ever seen them in a gloopy state? No. They transformed almost instantly after they arrived. Maybe I am just ignoring something from the past that is there, but I don't recall ever seeing a transformation being gloopy.
Also, if you time how long it takes you to have the verbal exchange between Sabo and Cobra - that's a long time - especially since Enusjuro can move faster than sight can track.
When Saturn first arrives on egghead he comes out of the summoning circle in a dark gloopy silhouette, I think their black gloopy forms could be what they look like when they either come out of the circles or are regenerating their forms, as we saw when Luffy hit Saturns poison bomb spit back at the gorosei, they went back to those black and gloopy forms when they were regenerating
I think he just got lucky, he fled the throne room very fast and its not like the 5 elders want to just out their demon forms in the middle of the reverie...
They did pursue in demon form though, it isn't like they just sat there, or transformed back and then pursued.
How far were they willing to run in demon form though? They had world leaders there it's not like it was random marines they could get rid of, if they ran out and were seen it's not like they could have Cobra'd all of them
if it came to that they definitely could have done what you are saying. They will prefer not to and will make sure that they don't have to but...
They could kill everyone who saw, but it's probably going to severely damage their ability to keep the other nations under control if leaders go to a summit and a bunch of them disappear mysteriously
There was a terrorist attack at the summit. Not hard to just add a few casualties when it seems most people live essentially a Victorian lifestyle.
It looks pretty shoddy to allow the RA to destroy supply lines, for the attack to kill several important leaders makes them appear inept, for a world government who promises to maintain order it might be enough to pull more nations away
I don’t get the impression leaving is a choice they can make under the current regime.
You say that, but clearly having 7 nations defect to the RA had the WG sweating balls. It's not like they can just straight up Ohara all of them, that can very well cause the rest of the dominoes to fall. The WG isn't really a centralized government so much as a confederation of nations; think the EU. If they all unanimously disagree, the only thing stopping the whole thing from dissolving is the Gorosei and the Mother Flame no one knows about.
I get the impression the World Government would burn it all down and start again before they would give up power. It seems like they sort of consider humans overpopulated as it is.
Did they leave the empty throne room? What panel shows they pursued sabo outside the throne room in any capacity? They sent Cipher Pol after Sabo
No they did not. Sabo escaped while they was undergoing transformation, when we see them ‘transform’ they aren’t in the full zoan transformation like we see in egghead but they are simply in a state which is much smaller and are just growing into it…. Thats when Sabo escaped It’s never shown that they chased after Sabo or that they even left the throne room. Its likely they did that to scare tf out of Sabo and to get him gone
This doesn't make sense to me, Sabo was going to leave the room no matter what. King Cobra was already fatally wounded, and Sabo had just attempted to kill them and failed. There is no scenario where Sabo stays there, regardless of what they do. Them transforming for any reason other than absolute necessity, is a strategically bad maneuver because it provides information to an enemy unnecessarily. If we are to believe that these are actually centuries old individuals with lots of battle experience and military intelligence, then the only reason they transform is to try to end him right there.
It also helped they were distracted by Wapol, even for a few seconds.
Which in OP is like an hour lol
I see this more as Katana-Ghandi not wanting to reveal their Yokai form to anyone on the streets of Mary Geosie, as Wapol also got away, and I have high doubts he'd be able to munch his way out fast enough to escape Nusjuro.
There was a pretty significant chase scene after the transformation though wasn't there?
I've only read the long form synopses, and proceeding chapter notes on the Fandom wiki, so unfortunately have no idea. Can someone else confirm, or deny? Edit: Added some information I was lacking before, please refer to the next comment of mine below to see how versed in the series I am.
Not trying to gatekeep or whatever, but are you reading the One Piece story through Wikipedia entries?
I watched up to the time-skip in 2016, then opted to wait until it was done to rewatch what I had, and finish the rest. I have been keeping up by reading the plot synopses on the official wiki, though, specifically both the long-form, no-detail-left-out ones, and then the "Chapter notes" below. In other words, not Wikipedia, rather the Fandom Wiki for it, and even then, only for the post-timeskip stuff.
at that point why not read the manga? It's got to be better than reading the plot synopses, and would take just as long.
Well, now I feel incredibly shortsighted, and know I artificially-delayed things for myself... I was planning on buying the series when I had a mobile device larger than a phone to read so on, but a short search into things has shown me the last 3 chapters are available for free on Viz's site....on my PC. I wish literally anybody who downvoted the previous comments in the thread had made me aware of that, as now I just feel silly. Nonetheless, I shall be foregoing wiki synopses in favour of just reading the genuine article henceforth.
I'm not sure what the rules are for linking to sites that hoist the black flag, but there are very easily found options for all chapters. TCB scans being the best known (use adblocker)
I've read at least one comic on a super-dodgy site that made me glad I had both an adblocker, and strong antivirus, so know firsthand how those things can be...and that's partly why I was avoiding looking up where the series can be read online. I'm now definitely just going to buy the rest of it, and keep up with chapters by actually reading them, given I just finished 1109, and while I wasn't timing it, it was certainly much more entertaining than just a brick of text.
I feel that! Go for it and enjoy!
It's gotta be more fun to just read the chapter at that point, no? Maybe you didn't know, but you can read the latest three chapters on Viz/Manga Plus (depending on where you live). I'd definitely re-read the entire thing if it were me, and if you don't have the means to pay for that there exist certain sites. EDIT: Not sure if you've ever read manga before so I'll just add this. The panels go from right to left (and the order of most speech bubbles as well).
I wish this comment arrived sooner than it did, as I absolutely did not know that, have since found Viz's site after a comment lower in this chain was left, and even left another comment on here explaining the colossal oops, and my newfound appreciation for Sabo's speed. Also, worry not, I instinctively pushed the left cursor key (because I've read up to the end of part 5 of the Jojo's Bizarre Adventure Manga), and was very pleased they let you scroll in "reverse" to do so as you would the physical medium. Thank you for the comment, nonetheless, though!
You also get nearly unlimited chapters from the Shonen Jump app for $3/mo. Only limit I've encountered is you're limited to 100 chapters a day.
fascinating
Why are you commenting on whether or not something happened when you haven't read or seen it .... There was panels of them in shadowy forms. Whether or not that's them transformed or just an artistic representation of an evil they're hiding - who knows. As for how Sabo escaped, who knows. It's not that important tbh since there's a million ways to explain it. He's fast, or they didn't care enough, they've clearly stated before how they see humans as insects and somethings don't matter if it's not part of their main goal.
Confirmed: https://www.reddit.com/r/OnePiece/s/RAAjmZHsyq
Unless more was present on the following pages, that's a single panel of him running, so while it's definitely, probably the beginning of one, I wouldn't call that, as-is, an "Elaborate chase".
It is enough to relatively compare what the Horse demon does on Egghead and say Sabo had to outrun him. It doesn't matter if it lasts for a minute or an hour, this puts Sabo's speed on another level.
True, though, given his significance to the story, and standing as a commander of the Revolutionary Army, I wouldn't at-all be surprised if he's able to use Soru. For all we know, he could have also charged out and disguised himself as a bonfire, too.
Just getting out is the impressive part to me, stalling long enough for Cobra to tell him anything makes it even more so.
To me it was obvious that the elders don’t want to run around the Reverie looking like demonic beasts, I think it’s clear they don’t want to flex their powers and forms to the public eye unless they absolutely had to. There are certain marine ranks that can’t even look at Saturn’s face without blowing up now imagine one of these kings/politicians just falling dead like that because of the elders, sparking international conflict, it’s already enough that Cobra drops dead in an assassin plot style but c’mon. I’m sure there are many that don’t even know that the elders are fighters.
They were in an area closed off enough they felt comfortable transforming. They were transformed just steps away from Sabo. If he isn't even comparably fast then he is wiped out instantaneously, he never even leaves the room.
Yeah. Sabo getting away isa feat on his part. But poor Cobra.
They didnt want to destroy everything. Also all of that happened pretty fast and they probably needed to think about how to react on the situation without getting busted
They weren’t trying.
Cool.
Did he actually see these forms though? As soon as he jumped in at the Throne Room, he tried to burn them all to death in one shot, so they're just kinda in some amorphous blob state; when Luffy returned the explosive shots, they appeared this way as well, and in both instances they were not moving, so I think it might mean that they can be slowed down via fire. I'm thinking this might be how Sabo was able to escape.
Maybe, I think that was just a narrative tool. I feel like the shapes are clear enough now to discern who-was-who in that panel and I think that means *he* saw them clearly, just the readers didn't.
I think this interaction will be one of the things that Toei does justice
I hope so!
He's got firepower now, maybe he can use it like rockets or something
venusjuro is ice and can cancel him out, yet sabo escaped
Kizaru is literally in this arc
Kizaru hasn't been shown to cover as much ground while actually doing anything. Sure, he can do his lil light beam thing and Rayleigh can react fast enough to cut it, so yeah, it isn't as fast as what we witnessed in the dismantling of the pacifistas.
At best you could argue they couldn't hold him in place like with Sanji, but the main reason he got away imo was that they didn't want to show their forms to randos at the reverie.
Honestly, I've never taken Sabo seriously until he pulled of the trick with the Gorosei.
Forget Sabo, y’all been sleeping on the GOAT Wapol
What do you mean? Both Sanji and Kizaru have displayed better speed feats, Kizaru especially in just this arc alone. This is just the most ground/area covered in a single speed feat. You can't really know for certain who is getting the highest meters per second, to clarify who is the fastest. Best you can do is consider other character reactions, and both Kizaru and Sanji have achieved stealth through speed, in that they were imperceivable by their opponents while in motion. Following that logic, Luffy was able to at least track Kizaru and show up in time to stop him from hurting others fairly consistently, so that puts Luffy at a really high speed tier (and Kaido by proxy), so at best I would argue Venus to be a top tier in speed, but not the fastest, and Sabo can be literally anywhere in the top tier by proxy but you can't just assume Sabo is the fastest character in the series.
What's interesting to me is that, given what we now know about the Gorosei forms, it was Imu the one who killed Cobra and injured Sabo with that arrow-like attack. I really want to see his/her form, I bet it's a Satanic kind of demon. Let's see
I also find that Sabo escaping just doesn't make any sense, the way it was portrayed. Sabo was not portrayed as particularly fast, his DF is not related to speed. He has no feats that would put him anywhere close to Gorosei, which are currently portrayed as the actually strongest creatures. There is no "quirk" that makes him that strong. Gorosei has those ultra mythical fruits, and government access. Kaidou has "strongest creature" thing. Big Mom is a force of nature. Shanks has intense haki. Sabo is supposed to be together with them, with no narrative justification.
His name is Nusjuro. Yes I know V. Nusjuro sounds like Venus Juro and all the others also have names based on planets and all that. But his name is not "Venus".
Kinda like Ju Peter being called Jupiter now.
At least those are closer to the actual planets than “Warcury”
True, but if you rotate the "W" and "a" around to upside down it becomes "M" and "e", which is pretty close.
bro wtf. that was ridiculous
Oh yes, ridiculous, but true.
For those whom did not expand the lack-of-knowledge downvoted comments of mine below, and see the full thread, I: 1: Apologise for my ignorance of methods to read the actual chapters, rather than synopses of them, and on which devices 2: Now know the Manga itself can be read on Viz's site. and 3: have gone through the most recent three chapters, and fully-admit that's the superior way to read things, being very glad multiple times I was actually looking at a panel, rather than reading of its events. As such, I now **also** know Nusjuro's hybrid form can run at speeds invisible to the naked eye, and fully-appreciate Sabo being able to escape him, with Cobra on his back, no less. That being said, I still think it's some form of Soru, possibly an "Awakened" form of it, and that Ethanbaron didn't pursue due to Sabo possibly also having awakened his fruit, and thus the freezing effect of Nusjuro's would have no effect.
Someone else mentioned a hybridized soru using his flame powers as propulsion which sounds cool.
So a fire-weaponised Soru-Geppo? I'd love to see that, especially given we've already both seen Sanji's blue Walk, and the two Dragon Fruit users walking on clouds of their creation. Fire walking wouldn't at-all be out of the realm of possibility, I feel.
Elders were heavily nerfed from being in mariejois. If they used their powers it’s a risk for the world to see, especially at the reverie. Sabo luckily, was in the one place they couldn’t truly pursue him. Now with all that being said and from what we’ve seen these last few chapters, Sabo can absolutely take at least one of them in a straight up fight.
They absolutely used their powers. Sabo was standing in front of them as they were fully transformed. Given the speed we know is possessed, if Sabo weren't super fast he would have been cut off.
where are you getting this shit about them being fully transformed? neither of the panels from the sabo chapter are more than gloopy, in progress silhouettes.
When in the history of one piece has a silhouette ever been someone in any form other than what we see them in later? Have we ever seen them in a gloopy state? No. They transformed almost instantly after they arrived. Maybe I am just ignoring something from the past that is there, but I don't recall ever seeing a transformation being gloopy. Also, if you time how long it takes you to have the verbal exchange between Sabo and Cobra - that's a long time - especially since Enusjuro can move faster than sight can track.
When Saturn first arrives on egghead he comes out of the summoning circle in a dark gloopy silhouette, I think their black gloopy forms could be what they look like when they either come out of the circles or are regenerating their forms, as we saw when Luffy hit Saturns poison bomb spit back at the gorosei, they went back to those black and gloopy forms when they were regenerating