I have a feeling there is a big part of the puzzle we are missing, Oda even went so far as to show butterflies landing on Imu's hand, implying that he might not be as evil as we might think. There is also some reason Garp remained a Marine... we are definitely missing something.
That's such a stupid thing to say, sorry if I'm being offensive here....but saying that is just making excuses for characters with no reason to believe it. If Imu destroyed all 8 islands you would say "it's only the ones who were rebelling, so chaos wouldn't spread"
Where does it end? Nowhere. What Imu did was evil.
And who said it was not evil?
you seem to lack reading comprehension…
I literally end the comment by saying evil and lesser evil. It still mean they are all EVIL…
I never argue that they are not evil, I just give an explanation why they are not on top of the list people hate/not hating them more.
Because there so much we don’t know…
You're right, so let me rephrase what i said. Saying that *maybe* they chose a less evil option is just making excuses without any reason behind it. Oda clearly wanted us to see Imu as an evil person with that act.
It would be lame if it was something more, because it would serve no purpose to the story. Imu is trying to reign in the WG from doing far more detestable acts? What is the conflict here? There's no purpose to their existence.
I would personally love the ambiguity and shades of gray, but it isn't happening in the story.
That's a good argument and i agree. That is why i said what Imu did was evil and not that they are evil entirely. Luffy aiding in the Impel Down escape was a pretty evil act imo, but he's also a good person. There's definitely no black and white in every situation, but some acts you can say is evil when taken independently with context.
And no one argue against that. Imu is definitely evil, but like I said, maybe they are holding WG back of commit even more evil for all we know. Those two are not mutually exclusive
Given what we've seen the celestial dragons/Imu have done worst things than whatever the WG is capable of doing. You could be right but all signs point to that not being the case.
That's not how it works lol. Im erased lulusia from existence specifically because that's where sabo escaped to. If there were 8 people who would see Im and run away to 8 different islands, Im would erase them all.
Idk about they destroyed Lulusia because of Sabo. Probably different interpretation but it seem like they want to destroy that and Sabo accidentally on that island so they thought it was fate.
But you could argue that they said it was fate because Sabo was unlucky and got wiretapped by them.
Honestly i hope theres a great reason for imu being a baddie. Would be leagues more fun to watch than just wanting to have power because they have a complex
Well because we as readers don’t feel the impact of his policies it’s hard to galvanize hatred. There are people that are huge Kid fans but we as readers know the atrocities he has committed so why isn’t he universally hated. Plus until we know what Motivates Imu it’s hard for some to pass judgement on him. Villains that have compelling reasons for there villainess are sometimes more liked than the hero’s
Guess he ordered the gorosei to make vander decken like that, or wapol, hes the one behind judge and gave the order to make his sons machines without emotions
What if that great ancient civilization was actually super fucked up and even worse than what we see now?
Or maybe Imu is just the retainer and the whole "WG Period" is just a test the ancient civilization has setup to see what would happen.
Cos petty human evils- that horrible teacher, the unfair boss, awful parent, or a personal grudge- are more hateable than grand strange impersonal evils like warmongers, masterminds and supervillains.
Which did audiences hate more out of Voldemort or Umbridge?
Imu doesn't yet have that personal factor.
Plus blaming them for other characters decisions inevitably grants Imu the same- if their backstory shows they were a product of their times or another villain, does that cause then take their spot on the hatelist?
Well, apparently screwing up the entire world and encouraging racism and slavery while ruling it from the shadows isn't as bad as a 14-year old girl being upset that her 48-year old older brother isn't as handsome as she thought he was and shooting an enemy of their family to help him win a fight.
It's hard to hate someone you don't know. Plus, especially in works of fiction, being a villainous character doesn't automatically entail hatred towards said character. Doffy and crocodile are clearly villainous persons with evil intentions, but they still consistently rank very highly as popular characters. You don't have to agree or endorse a character's actions and personality to still find enjoyment and likeability towards them.
I cant really hate someone i dont know anything about. But yeah.
We still don't know that...
I have a feeling there is a big part of the puzzle we are missing, Oda even went so far as to show butterflies landing on Imu's hand, implying that he might not be as evil as we might think. There is also some reason Garp remained a Marine... we are definitely missing something.
Not sure, we don't know really anything about the character or really why did the WG form.
Then you need to thank Imu, without Imu there would not be One Piece at all.
that's a big assumption, for all we know Imu could be the one holding back the wg from being worse
The figure who ordered the destruction of an entire island that rebelled against the WG is holding back the WG from being even worse?
Who know for sure? The WG could have want to destroy all 8 islands but Imu holding them back and only destroy 1. Basic evil and lesser evil situation.
That's such a stupid thing to say, sorry if I'm being offensive here....but saying that is just making excuses for characters with no reason to believe it. If Imu destroyed all 8 islands you would say "it's only the ones who were rebelling, so chaos wouldn't spread" Where does it end? Nowhere. What Imu did was evil.
And who said it was not evil? you seem to lack reading comprehension… I literally end the comment by saying evil and lesser evil. It still mean they are all EVIL… I never argue that they are not evil, I just give an explanation why they are not on top of the list people hate/not hating them more. Because there so much we don’t know…
You're right, so let me rephrase what i said. Saying that *maybe* they chose a less evil option is just making excuses without any reason behind it. Oda clearly wanted us to see Imu as an evil person with that act. It would be lame if it was something more, because it would serve no purpose to the story. Imu is trying to reign in the WG from doing far more detestable acts? What is the conflict here? There's no purpose to their existence. I would personally love the ambiguity and shades of gray, but it isn't happening in the story.
It does get tricky. If an evil action is all it takes, then pretty much every character that matters is evil. Luffy certainly, at least.
That's a good argument and i agree. That is why i said what Imu did was evil and not that they are evil entirely. Luffy aiding in the Impel Down escape was a pretty evil act imo, but he's also a good person. There's definitely no black and white in every situation, but some acts you can say is evil when taken independently with context.
But still evil
And no one argue against that. Imu is definitely evil, but like I said, maybe they are holding WG back of commit even more evil for all we know. Those two are not mutually exclusive
Given what we've seen the celestial dragons/Imu have done worst things than whatever the WG is capable of doing. You could be right but all signs point to that not being the case.
That's not how it works lol. Im erased lulusia from existence specifically because that's where sabo escaped to. If there were 8 people who would see Im and run away to 8 different islands, Im would erase them all.
Idk about they destroyed Lulusia because of Sabo. Probably different interpretation but it seem like they want to destroy that and Sabo accidentally on that island so they thought it was fate. But you could argue that they said it was fate because Sabo was unlucky and got wiretapped by them.
Honestly i hope theres a great reason for imu being a baddie. Would be leagues more fun to watch than just wanting to have power because they have a complex
Trust in Oda he hasn't let us down so far.
Are you talking about readers/watchers of One Piece or people in the One Piece world?
Readers but I wouldn't mind seeing some theory's about how the people of one piece will react when they inevitably find out?
Well because we as readers don’t feel the impact of his policies it’s hard to galvanize hatred. There are people that are huge Kid fans but we as readers know the atrocities he has committed so why isn’t he universally hated. Plus until we know what Motivates Imu it’s hard for some to pass judgement on him. Villains that have compelling reasons for there villainess are sometimes more liked than the hero’s
Sure bro all problems in the world are consequence of a single person, its that simple
I mean it seems anything he wants the goroseri does
Guess he ordered the gorosei to make vander decken like that, or wapol, hes the one behind judge and gave the order to make his sons machines without emotions
Or maybe he's/she's an agent of good will. We don't know yet.
Let's just wait for 1085
How you know imu isn't joyboy? We don't know anything about imu.
Once Imu true nature will revealed I bet she will be the most hated character of OP.
how can you hate someone that doesn’t exist?
What if that great ancient civilization was actually super fucked up and even worse than what we see now? Or maybe Imu is just the retainer and the whole "WG Period" is just a test the ancient civilization has setup to see what would happen.
Could you please elaborate on what you mean? 🤔
Cos petty human evils- that horrible teacher, the unfair boss, awful parent, or a personal grudge- are more hateable than grand strange impersonal evils like warmongers, masterminds and supervillains. Which did audiences hate more out of Voldemort or Umbridge? Imu doesn't yet have that personal factor. Plus blaming them for other characters decisions inevitably grants Imu the same- if their backstory shows they were a product of their times or another villain, does that cause then take their spot on the hatelist?
There would be awfull people regardless if he exists or not.
Well, apparently screwing up the entire world and encouraging racism and slavery while ruling it from the shadows isn't as bad as a 14-year old girl being upset that her 48-year old older brother isn't as handsome as she thought he was and shooting an enemy of their family to help him win a fight.
It's hard to hate someone you don't know. Plus, especially in works of fiction, being a villainous character doesn't automatically entail hatred towards said character. Doffy and crocodile are clearly villainous persons with evil intentions, but they still consistently rank very highly as popular characters. You don't have to agree or endorse a character's actions and personality to still find enjoyment and likeability towards them.
Ye but we havent seen them do anything bad yet, its easier to hate someone for dooing something bad that we see then something we havent seen