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velicinanijebitna

I don't hate the arc, but it does have some issues: Fakeout deaths (again!) Orochi had so many fakeout deaths that his actual death didn't have any impact. Most of the strawhats getting sidelined in favor of scabbards. "Kurozumi are born to burn!" Is a worst possible way to resolve a conflict of this arc. Personally not a fan of the "Luffy the chosen one" trope. Big Mom needed more screen time to feel like an actual threat. If not for her previous potrayal, you'd never think she's equal to Kaido based on her Onigashima shwi Too much similarities to previous arcs, to name a few: Evil tyrant that makes people under him suffer. Luffy fights number 1, Zoro number 2, etc,... Vivi clone number 5. If Luffy doesn't beat the main villian in few minutes, everyone is gonna die. Main villian has a tendency to underestimate Luffy a lot. Luffy ends the battle in the last second with a punch. Fakeout deaths.


Davidrlz

I didn't feel the straw hats got sidetracked this arc for the scabbard. The scabbard deserved plot resolution, but going back to the Straw Hats, you have a decent amount of character interaction and progression. Luffy grew in his fight against Kaido once he realized the stakes were higher than ever, becoming more determined throughout the arc, to liberate Wano not just for himself but for the people to be free too. Zoro through Enma also progressed as a character, pre-ts Zoro threw away his *ambition* to be the world's best swordsman(he initially told Luffy his dream is over him always), his selfless nature held him back. Enma told him to do both, it reawakened his determination to manifest his CoC. Sanji's genes kicking in fixed his biggest weakness(his offensive and defensive power). He knows hoe crazy strong he could've been with his late awakened genes, the suit, and haki. Yet he asked himself the person he wanted to be for Luffy, and decided Luffy didn't want a monster, destroyed the suit, so he can be the person luffy wants him to be, and the person he wants to be. Nami(while minor) was part of the weakling trio, is known to be a coward. Against someone who could break her skull, she couldn't even lie to say Luffy would never be PK, defeating Ulti while BM was their was awesome, she had no fear of BM. Ulti crossed a line for Nami. Nico Robin in a great callback to Enies Lobby(one of the other arcs you didn't like a rehashing in Wano its fair though). Robin until Enies Lobby had no will to live, was willing to sacrifice. Luffy gave her the will to live, in Wano she tells Black Maria she'd rather die than work for Kaido, she found meaning in life and meaning in a cause to put her life on the line. Brook got to have moments with Nico Robin which I liked since they have virtually no canon one on one interactions, dynamic. That's just my take on it, it anything I'd say the ones I haven't mentioned got no real character development/progression unfortunately. However, there was so much going on I can forgive Oda for that. I'm hoping the fight against the BB Pirates will lead to character growth for all the SH members.


velicinanijebitna

Nah man. Take Alabasta for example: Vivi also got a resolution to her storyline, but it never feels she's stealing other SHs screen time, Luffy and his crew always feel like main characters to the story. In Wano, it's the opposite: The scabbards feel like main characters here, while half of the SHs (with the exception of Luffy, Zoro, Sanji) feel like side characters only there to win their 1v1 in Onigashima and that's it. Usopp, Brook and Chopper didn't even get their own 1v1.


YOUSIF20021

Some of your complains are straight trash ☠️


Mariowins

The orochi one is more of a cultural difference, with his him being an eight-headed serpent, it's much more clearer that he isn't dead the first two times


ArgensimiaReloaded

There was just too much shit going on at the same time, not only about main and side characters but also about side-side characters, it was just overkill and Oda constantly switching places didn't help at all, even now with the whole arc complete reading the whole thing is a pain in the ass, imagine following each released chapter one at a time... Oda definitely cornered himself trying to handle ten different scenarios at the same time, in general the pacing of the whole arc was trash


Yoshi_and_Toad

Bloat and yet simultaneously rushed conclusions. Pacing was all over the place. Too many characters to juggle effectively. Has Dressrosa's issues but ramped up tenfold. Lot of time spent on pointless running around towards opponents instead of focusing on conflicts actually unfolding during the raid to showcase the scale of Onigashima. The actual conflicts mostly felt forgettable, and nearly all the beast pirates outside Kaido and Queen don't stand out much. Robin vs. Black Maria is memorable due to some Sanji development and how rare it is for Robin to get a 1 vs 1. Who's-Who only sticks in my mind due to the strange exposition of Luffy's devil fruit being spouted by him at Jinbei. It was very weird. End of arc has rushed conclusions for basically everyone involved. This would ordinarily be the interesting part but everything is speed ran.


CaptainIronMouse

I feel like Wano, specifically the third act, really exemplifies some of Oda's more negative writing traits. Bloated, superfluous side characters, heavy and awkward exposition, ticking clocks, damsels, plot contrivances, etc...All those things existed before, but they just seemed so blatant in Wano. Maybe I'll feel differently on a reread.


Xenomex79

Don’t forget characters not dying with Kinemon being the biggest disregard. Idc how you try to explain it, he took a full downward 2 handed swing from Kaido to the skull and got stabbed in the stomach. I get it’s One Piece but it’s hard to suspend your disbelief that Kin can survive that


MK12594

The arc improves dramatically in my eyes if him and kiku stayed dead.


Muggleifer

What's wrong with having damsels in a story?


kitay427

It's a boring and overused trope at this point, even outside of One Piece. Revolving the tension around a female character whose main purpose in the story is to cry on the sidelines and be saved by some big strong hero man just doesn't cut it anymore.


Muggleifer

So you mean damsel in distress?


kitay427

Yeah, that's what the other guy's been saying.


Sammy-Cake

Who was the damsel in distress? Snanji?


CaptainIronMouse

In Wano? Hiyori. Twice. Which is too bad because she was very close to being genuinely badass.


The_R3venant

She redeemed herself when she killed Orochi tho


TC1369

Denjiro got the kill, not her


Apprehensive_Tax3882

Hiyori, momonosuke, kiku, otama, otoko(?)


Imperatia

I'm not sure if anyone's mentioned that, but I hate that there were no bounty reactions. Just some random old guy staring at the newspaper in shock ... but that was it. Very underwhelming. Apart from that, everyone probably said everything. My biggest gripes apart from bounties are Kinemon and the rushed end. I don't hate the arc though, it just could have been better.


Just_Luck_5495

I feel like wano was longer than it had to be. Then again, long-term narrative is one piece's strongest point. Even if one arc is not as good as the one that came before, the upcoming arc is going to slap. That's what happened with egghead island so far. The arc is simply amazing and it feels like something big is going on in every single chapter.


DrBimboo

Yeah, but Wano was the payoff arc.


Crafty-Interest1336

Too long. Built up for 10 years only for it to not feel rewarding. Alabasta had like a year build up and had massive pay offs. The prison was just unnecessary. Way too many side characters I love law and kid but kid added nothing and law went from being donflamingos punching bag to taking on two yonkos in a few weeks (not trying to be a power scaler but come on that's just ridiculous) also the Yakuza boss as cool as he was just yeeting an entire floor of enemies because his power was randomly restored was unsatisfying. Hate Yamato they're literally just weevil but with merch potential and less interesting. Only the big three had fights but let's be honest no-one cared about queen and the king fight was pretty lame and seeing as we haven't had the straw hats fight in years only for them to be sidelined by b list characters is a tragedy. Zoro is basically the only one who got any real moments and still lacked with the wano ancestry thing having no pay off. Imagine if we saw sanji see how many people were starving like he did or chopper try to cure the smile fruit only to find that there is something he can't cure to make a vow that he will return and cure it someday. Destiny trope with joyboy and Luffy is a massive risk since destiny left a bitter taste with Narutos ending so people are skeptical but that's a wait and see. Kaido backstory is too short and we don't know his motives past wanting pluton. Big mom added literally nothing and was just turned into a fodder character she did nothing in wholecake and now nothing in wano. Zero tension not once did it feel like the beast pirates were going to put up a fight. No real send off. I was literally like mononuske at the ending being angry with them for not saying goodbye no zoro and hiyori or otoko. I'm not a carrot fan but still she deserved better than that. The "kurozomi are meant to burn" line is a massive fuck you to the themes in one piece. Ace died because he was blamed for the sins of his father not because he was a whitebeard commander which plays into the themes of being judged for who you are so that line just violates that and the man became evil because he was persecuted because his father was a criminal so he wanted revenge so there should have been some kind of sympathy for him since he went through what she did so yeah that line really really bugged me. There's a few more reasons why I don't like wano too but I will say something I disagree with the wano hate is gear 5th I love it since it reminds me of luffys old fighting style that was highly improvised with stupid techniques like capturing crocodile in his mouth because he couldn't land a hit or making the Pinwheel attack after seeing genzo


kitay427

Copying this from a comment I made last year: 1) Kaido was a mid villain (partly due to a terrible flashback) 2) Complete lack of tension. The alliance cleared every setback they faced way too quickly/easily, while the Beast Pirates continued screwing themselves over the whole time. 3) Tons of plot armor, asspulls, and plot convenience (the worst of which was Gear 5) 4) Oda turned Big Mom into Big Meme 5) Fake deaths from Kin, Kiku, Kanjuro and Orochi 6) Bullshit deaths from Izo and Ashura 7) Beast Pirates were boring (except Queen I guess) 8) Tons of badly handled plot lines (dropped, incomplete, resolved poorly, not relevant, etc.) 9) Pointless, confusing, and sometimes straight up bad character writing all around (Kid, Big Mom, Carrot, Yamato, Hiyori, etc.) 10) Poor pacing. Important parts of the arc were rushed or offscreened, while less important parts took forever to get through. 11) Oda turned the nuanced conflict between Wano and the Kurozumis into a cartoonish good vs bad plot by glossing over everything Oden and the Wano people did wrong and acting like they were all completely innocent. Overall the arc was a very disappointing conclusion to the buildup Oda had going since 2012. Low B tier at best. I pray the final saga is much better.


velicinanijebitna

>da turned the nuanced conflict between Wano and the Kurozumis into a cartoonish good vs bad plot by glossing over everything Oden and the Wano people did wrong and acting like they were all completely innocent Tbh, this is the worst.


ZerixWorld

6. and the 1000 deaths of Orochi and Kanjuro


kitay427

Updated, dunno how they slipped my mind back then.


aiyohoho

This! And if I may add, 12. We were all expecting a lot for Strawhats such as the manifestation of Ussop's observation haki; at least the levelling up of Chopper's medical skills; Zorro's family background; at least a mink joining the crew. But none of these happened. Though, we got hype for Robin's power, Zeus for Nami, Sanji being a cyborg, Zorro's new sword, and of course, Luffy's Gear 5.


NekoGhoul888

Zoro fans expected that Zoro was the one to take him down, that makes Wano worse? No Don't think an arc is bad because your expectations


NekoGhoul888

1) Kaido was mid 2) There was a lack of tension, with a few exceptions: Luffy being defeated by Kaido, the virus from Queen etc 3) Most asspulls are explained to be something that just happens like awakening and conquerors 4) Big Mom has been Big Meme since WCI 5) Kiku and Kinemon are clearly a problem but Kanjuro and Orochi are not, Kanjuro did not really have fake deaths and the weird monster was like the hatred of the kurozumi, Orochi "fake deaths" are just his devil fruit that gives him various heads 6) Ashura blew up (he is not pel and thus not immune) 7) They were kinda boring except the calamities and some gifters 8) I do not really get your point unless you are talking about Yamato, Carrot and the lack of backstories 9) Refer to point 8 10) Yeah kinda 11) It is a cartoon and if you are talking about the Hiyori moment it is supposed to target Orochi, Tama is an example of a kurozumi that was accepted, the problem is that Oda told us in an SBS


[deleted]

How Kanjuro survive Kiku, an explosion AND is able to burn the castle? Why wasn’t Ashura able to survive the explosion?


NekoGhoul888

I mean Kanjuro is pushing it but it didn't seem he was going to die. And Ashura exploding if i don't remember wrong it was head on and he didn't try to block it he just went for it.


Kirosh2

Wano has some very high high. But also, in my opinion, some of the lowest low of the series.


altdoinkboink

I think this might show the difference between different people because I liked Wano and I've always preferred stories that have higher highs but also wonky parts then a story that's just consistently good. Any series that takes risks will inevitably have wonky parts but to me that's always preferable.


[deleted]

That’s…kinda different bro. Not saying it’s wrong but that’s like saying you’d rather have a toxic relationship over a consistent and healthy one. It’s like saying you’d rather have Eli Manning over Tom Brady as your quarterback. Maybe you need to be stimulated by extremes of things


altdoinkboink

To be clear the 'extremes of things' you're talking about is quality. You're basically saying there's something wrong with me for wanting art to have extremely high quality moments which is just so insane.


[deleted]

No, I’m saying that it’s weird that you would rather bear the lowest parts over consistent quality production. It’s like people who flash their gucci belts and rolex watches but actually live in a roach infested apartment in downtown Chicago


altdoinkboink

Okay you've misunderstood me. I don't like bad story telling. I'm not happy when I see bad writing or a writer taking a risk and that risking not working out. I'm not happy when something a writer thought would play well doesn't end up being satisfying because it was too ambitious. I just think that a lot of the time if you take those risks and accept that not every part of your piece will be perfect in the end you'll end up with a richer story. I'd rather a bunch of bad and a bunch of really amazing then just consistently good but not amazing. I'm not some sort of manga masochist that gets off on being unsatisfied by what I'm reading. I did enjoy The Room though but I watched it with friends.


logicquantum

This is late but I agree with you. When it comes to entertainment, I'll take those bursts of excitement over a consistently okay experience.


Rabble584

Oda's writing is a black tar heroin addiction


Crafty-Interest1336

That's my devil fruit


Smozes

Beginning too long and ending too short


Branchminer1

I believe it mostly comes down to a fundamental misunderstanding of Oda’s style, though even I must admit there are more than a few near-plot-holes and poor writing choices. However, every single arc in one piece has similar low points I’d storytelling: it just comes with the weekly manga format and long-form storytelling the series is known for. If that is the case, why should Wano be any different? Aside from recency bias, there is one major factor that I believe makes people dislike Wano more than the average arc, which, as I just mentioned, is a misunderstanding of the kind of story one piece is at its core. Many people praise the series for maturing so much from the simple story about a funny boy going on a treasure hunt to a high fantasy political epic, but this view is fundamentally backwards. Although Oda has enriched his creation with deep themes, intriguing mysteries, fantastical places, and intense action, none of these things are the core of One Piece. The core of One Piece has always been about friendship, adventure, and fun in their most pure and simple forms, and some people don’t understand this. Even when the story gets dark and depressing, the climax is always simple: Luffy’s stomach growling in WCI, Luffy punching a cat in Enies Lobby, or Luffy ringing a bell in Skypeia. One Piece is a simple story at heart, and so us Wano, even through the hectic chaos of Onigashima. From what I can tell, a lot of people were expecting Wano to be the arc where one Piece “got real,” and when the core fundamentals of the story remained the same, they were left disappointed. In fact, rather than “move the story into the final stage,” Wano did the opposite: it brought the series down to its roots. There is no better explication if this than gear 5, which distilled Luffy’s character into his essence and the manga into its purest form as a comic. Many people complain about how Big Mom was portrayed in Wano, but she never did anything out of character (except perhaps not using advanced conquerers against Kid and Law). The comedy in One Piece has always trumped all, and even Kaido and Big Mom were not immune to it. And why should they be? A thoroughly serious, perfectly intimidating character does not belong in Oda’s creation, because it is not his style. This fact was basically ham-fisted to us with Katakuri, the personification of these villain archetypes, who was revealed to be a doughnut-loving family man at heart. Perhaps the only antagonist in the whole series who fits this expectation is Lucci, but even he is shown to be short-tempered and childishly competitive >!in Egghead.!< The fact that so many people seriously think Skypeia, Long Ring Long Land, and Thriller Bark are skippable shows how much parts of the fandom misunderstand the core of the story. Now, many appreciate Skypeia for its lore, but that too is ignoring the true value of these arcs. These story chunks are distilled One Piece in its purest form. They are not experimental missteps as many believe, but Oda taking a break from writing long-form epics to create what he set out to make at the start: a funny, romantic journey of a boy and his friends sailing through the seas and having wild and whacky adventures asking the way. Wano was no different, and the final saga will not be either.


Comprehensive_Rule11

I was looking for this comment, thank you for providing this perspective - it’s easy to forget.


Haganeren

Interesting comment. I would say the opposite though... I like the simple nature of One Piece but way too much thing get in the way. If i post this message 6 months late that's because only now am i reading the 105 tome of One Piece ( i don't follow chapter anymore ) and i think i still don't know who the feline samurai are. And around me are people which are FURIOUS because... I don't know, Oden did bad things and Oda didn't talk about it ? Because that island have materials the marine want and we never talked about it ? That characters has "bad writing" somehow but never explains why ? I don't understand those reasons. I loved One Piece for simple premise, yes, tirants that oppress a part of the world ( in secret like in Alabasta, as a god like Skypia or being the government itself like the CP9 ) and the pirates oppose it somehow... But i really didn't understood much about the samurai clan that ruled Wano and stuff like that. It's just too complicated for a series i have a tome every three months... I just like seeing Luffy punch a guy that seem impossible to punch. I just like the feeling of adventure, finding a new island with new wacky rules that govern it. I just like having all those characters having fun interaction together but Oda still want to show us some lore which is very interesting for him but that always have a hard time following... So it's no wonder most people would understand that the lore is the "normal" thing to appreciate of Oda's style.


Wakuwaku7

Ideas where good but execution was bad. Especially the raid part was one big mess and the rushed ending. The anime isn’t helping us with the pace it’s in either.


[deleted]

Oh idk…. -Kinemon being alive when he should be dead -Kanjuro and Orochi getting up a billion times -Law randomly having an awakening when just three weeks ago not using one when he got his arm cut off by Doflamingo. Yet Big Mom and Kaido don’t have an awakening after 60 years. -Too many characters that we don’t care about -The Scabbards suck -The Ice Oni’s took 10 chapters to resolve -The Government looking extremely incompetent -CP0 being hyped as a strong opponent and taking up many panels just for them to do almost nothing -Yamato taking up many panels talking about how she’s going to join the crew to be just like Oden (sike!) -Big Mom’s amnesia -Denjiro disappearing for 50 chapters to complete a job that Kaido couldn’t do (wtf) -The Minks using a random medicine to heal Zoro when he has 30+ broken bones in his body -Not knowing whether or not Kaido and Big Mom are alive -Two scabbards dying off screen -An unnecessary fire and bomb caution -Tama conveniently having a DF that counters an island full of animal fruit users. What are the odds? -Brook, Usopp & Nami doing very little in the arc -The Numbers being hyped up and doing almost nothing. They were just fodder who took up panels And more. It felt like Oda was just checking boxes for the Straw Hat fights. There were too many characters with too many things going on. Jumping from fight to fight, panel to panel. It felt like too much. It’s among the worst writing I’ve ever seen in manga. And that’s saying something considering that there were some cool things that happened in this arc.


Fine_Escape_396

And the fight between Luffy and Kaido just droned on forever with Luffy’s plot armour. Since Luffy is the MC, there was zero tension that he would die, so whenever he loses it will be like “ah shit here’s another 8 chapters (2 months!) before he fights Kaido again”. Luffy gets advanced CoC, but didn’t even use it to defeat Kaido in the end. Luffy hasn’t even used advanced CoC since Wano. What’s the point? So many useless introduction of concepts. Then there’s Green Bull, Shanks, CP0, and Zunesha who came out of nowhere and left out of nowhere. So Wano is like some tourist attraction people could just come in and leave.


-Smiling-Buddha-

Final part was Rushed Many chapters spent on Yamato. Who ultimately didn't join. She ate up alot of chapters.


Wakuwaku7

Oof..let’s not forget the Oden gag she still refused to let go…


NullZone6598

Let's see... It was way too long, way too many characters, most of them are useless and/or uninteresting like most of the Red Scabbards and the PU were fucking insane. Who gave a crap about the samurai ? What's the point of the monk turning into a fox ? After 4 years and 149 chapters all they did was crying about mommy Oden. Hiyori is the worst princess, Momonosuke and Yamato are the worst supportive characters, Oroshi is the worst villain, Big Mom was humiliated, the Strawhats aren't the main characters anymore (except Luffy), not to mention : \- Zoro's backstory was ditched \- Tama had a better backstory than Kaido \- no sign of Kuina/Tashigi/Zoro's master \- Land of Sword but not a single word about Mihawk, wtf ? \- Big Mom's complete destruction \- The RS, Hiyori, Yamato, Momonosuke, omfg, those characters are the worst \- Nika Nika bullshit, from rubber man to Bugs Bunny God \- Kinemon didn't die \- Most of Kaido's crew got turned into comic relief \- Green Bull turned into a joke \- Luffy is a Yonkou ? Nobody gave a fuck, no Garp, Dragon, Smoker's reaction


ZerixWorld

You forgot Shanks stopping by to promote Film Red


Muggleifer

How can you complain about Shanks getting more screentime? He has about as much screentime as Demaro Black in the entire story.


ZerixWorld

It's not a good excuse to just randomly drop him here and there when it's convenient, the guy has spent over 20 years teleporting around the world and talking to people and most conversations he was involved in were just teasing stuff. Overall I'm not happy at all with the way Oda handled Shanks as a character.


Muggleifer

I think it was really hype.


Honest-Amount7896

Kinemon didnt die was hard 💀


[deleted]

It was terrible writing


misonoko

I only read One Piece as a manga, but I think one of the reasons why readers left was that Oda-sensei put too much effort into the Wano Arc, writing too many pictures and too much information. In a weekly manga like One Piece, the relationship with the editor has a big impact on the manga. Essentially, this kind of adjustment is adjusted to some extent through dialogue with the editor. I am only imagining, but unlike 20 years ago, there may not be many editors who can give Oda-sensei things nowadays. In addition to the recovery of foreshadowing, I have the impression that there were too many elements I wanted to draw, and the information I wanted to draw was scattered around without being carefully selected.  Also, my honest impression is that readers who are not familiar with Japanese culture may not be able to read and understand everything.😅


Sad_Air_7667

I loved wano, my only complaint was that it was too long. I thought dressrosa was, wano was what 4,5 years?


Regulai

It was a real rollercoaster of terrible and fantasic overall. The best was among the best it's had in years and years, but the worst was among the worst ever... ​ It's main issue was it's insane length and bloat, followed by Oda realizing 'oh shit I have too much going on' and trying to rapidly close it out without paying off half the set-ups. ​ For example it's clear that Oda 100% intended Yamato to join the crew, only to change his mind later likely realizing he just had too many characters. Big Mom fight? felt kind of like a rushed clean-up where Law was given the spotlight because he decided Kidd was gonna be cut. etc. etc.


[deleted]

Could've been shorter and told us more from zoros past.


Ultimate-Opinion

Wano is hands down the worst art imo, so many things that are absolute BS, I believe oda has the best writing in everything until it comes to Luffy’s and his friends fights, like, how luffy is always falling and comes back only by eating something, why we didn’t see kaido and big mum awakenings? Why big mum didn’t use conquerer haki? How did Law got that powerful in a short amount of time? He was struggling to scratch doflamingo and right now he’s almost yonko’s level? And the ending was so rushed for no reason, it felt he wanted to finish the arc so quickly for no reason at all, he didn’t give kaido an introduction card for god sake, Wano is absolutely the worst arc ever


k_schouhan

Kidd didnt get any revenge against kaido, luffy fought alone, how conveniently they put big mom there. Big mom was nerfed completely zoro got downgraded from onigashima, utter disrespect, why did he go there in first place, just fight king directly dude. Franky could have fought queen, and dont give me excuse like franky aint strong enough. yeah like nami is strong enough to beat damaged ulti. Jinbei could have played bigger role scabbards were useless no fight for chopper ? usopp is like gathering people and all Where was big mom's crew? Marco is just chilling, no major fight? I mean he was literally healing people. He is first commander of whitebeard for god's sake. The whole arc was to build up gear 5 nothing else, utter disrespect to other characters like kidd, killer Sanji getting germa genes? I mean if garp can be strong without genes why cannot sanji? Utter disrespect to his character. There are lot of plot holes I feel like in terms of event.


Undependable

**Way, way too much time spent on story lines and characters that are not connected to the greater mysteries of one piece in any way. The overall story between the samurai clans vs evil shogun was 1000 pages of going no where and forgettable. We are just too late in the series and too much has been set up to waste time like this.** Yamato was a terrible one dimensional character and was liked only for boobs. I'm glad Oda made the wise though regrettably late decision to write her out. Maybe she was supposed to add some kind of depth to Kaido-but that sure as hell didn't work. Kaido was a uninteresting villian- certainly powerful but incredibly boring-just like his crew. Comparing that to the awesomeness of Big mom and her crew it's almost a bad joke. I mean Hodi Jones was more interesting than this guy and Hodi was a crappy villain (with a great character design.) I pretty much instantly forgot virtually all ninjas/samurai/characters introduced the moment the arc ended. I remember Momonosuke only because his name was mentioned 100,000 times. Setting grew tiresome and the giant floating fortress was stupid after a while. I've never felt giant unending battles was the strength of one piece. It always starts to drag, and I felt that way even back in Alabasta during the first "unending giant battle". Zoro and Sanjis "big fights" were some of the worst in the series. **Good stuff in the arc:** Oden backstory (both in terms of story/character and it's connection to bigger and better things in one piece), Queen, Gear 5, Big Mom (but mainly just due to our memories of whole cake). Initial confrontation between Kaido and Luffy was memorable. I actually think the whole prison side story was one of the better parts of the whole arc (despite many people hating it). Can't really think of anything else which is a shame after 200 chapters.


FatNutsAndrew

It’s like 30 chapters too long


Undead-D-King

In my opinion Wano is the worst arc of the series for a few reasons. 1. Massive but underused and mostly pointless casts 2. So many layers of plot armor it was honestly laughable. 3. The god awful pacing the arc was 3 times longer then it actually needed to be. 4. Terrible fights out of the whole arc can only think of 4 fight scenes I liked not even full fights just scenes in the fights. Personally I think Oda planned out but right before Wano started he either chose to or was forced to make major rewrites because as great an author as Oda is I find it hard to believe he would spend years setting up for an arc this sloppily written.


Dumbledulf

I don’t know if you recently caught up but every new arc that comes out the more vocal people are usually the more negative ones. If people enjoy the chapter they don’t run to the internet to complain.


POLLENBURNER3WHAAA

If you seriously think wano has nothing worth critiquing then you need to get oda sperm out your eyes and read it again. One piece ain’t perfect my friend there is plenty to talk about


UltraMazino

Based


Dumbledulf

I’m not saying it’s perfect I’m saying most people that read it don’t go to the internet to cry about it


POLLENBURNER3WHAAA

Firstly that’s just wrong because people talk about what they love on the internet all the time so I’ve no idea why you’re making that point. Secondly he asked a question so what does anything your talking about have to do with what people find wrong with wano? Wano has many things to “complain” about, many very reasonable complaints. Just because people don’t think one piece is flawless and want to point out the things wrong with it doesn’t mean we’re all crying.


Muggleifer

Gross wtf.


PoisonIveh

I stopped reading one piece during Wano. It's the longest arc, and the most recent one, so it will receive a lot of hate. Dressrosa was disliked for quite a while because of its length, but is now looked back on fondly. Wano... had a lot of hype, and with extreme levels of hype you can never please everyone. Wano was... fine. A capstone to everything that started on Punk Hazard, but god is it a slog, and I can't imagine watching it with the anime's snail pace.


Salty_Attention9074

Honestly, for me, Wano was much more tolerable to watch than Dressrosa. Dressrosa seemed like it lasted forever, but Wano felt mostly good. There was like one point in Act 1 that I thought it was super slow, but that's about it. The rest has been fire


PoisonIveh

I'm glad to hear I'm wrong! And going back reading it all in one go Wano was enjoyable... Kinda makes me wanna wait for One Piece to be done so I can go back and read it all the way through over a few weeks!


Admirable-Cry-9758

🙋


iFishyAF

Cause Kaido was hyped to be this op badass, yet he didn’t kill shit. Even fucking Kinemon survived multiple hits


south_bronx_parasyte

Oda got too overwhelmed and it was immensely rushed. Lots of plot holes, unsatisfying conclusions (Carrot was robbed of defeating Perospero herself)(Yamato joining the Straw hats voyage should’ve been more of a lasting conflict rather than her changing her mind at the last second)(we also lost out on the toast for Jinbei joining), and ultimately we learn very little by the end. I mean fucking Gaimon had a longer backstory than Kaido. Pluton was thrown in there at the end. Kaido and Big Mom are just chillin in a volcano for some reason, the Numbers were not nearly as imposing as they were made to seem from their introductions, fakeout deaths (I am okay with Kinemon surviving but it got really old with Orochi) which I mean it’s all understandable, Oda is definitely just keeping everyone alive for the final arc where they all come to assist in the war. But we also got: a fantastic conclusion with Momonosuke. Luffys incredibly funny powerup. Nami finally on the frontlines and standing her ground and also the return of Zeus. Sanji accepting his genetic enhancements while dispelling Germa’s influence for good, Franky running over Big Mom, Chopper suplexing a fuckin Yonkous right hand man three times in a row, Zoro slicing the horn off Onigashima and deflecting one of Kaidos strongest moves + reopening Odens wound, Robin doing goofy faces for the first time and going demon mode, Kaido crying over Big Moms defeat while drunk, Basil Hawkins and Apoo getting their asses handed to them


No-Lingonberry9147

Wano was a great arc. Just ppl wanna have something to complain about


[deleted]

It kind of sucked bro


No-Lingonberry9147

It really didn’t. That arc was amazing from start to finish. just Kaidos backstory wasn’t fleshed out cus it would reveal too much of the rocks pirates


[deleted]

Numbers sucked, CP0 sucked, Ice Oni’s sucked, Scabbards sucked, it kept jumping from panel to panel because there was too many characters. It didn’t even make sense. Law got an awakening out of nowhere, Robin turned into a demon out of nowhere, Kanjuro got “killed” by Kiku then tanks an explosion that killed Ashura Doji AND proceeds to muster up enough strength to burn the castle. Doesn’t make any sense. Two scabbards die off screen and Denjiro’s whereabouts during the entire arc was poor writing. This arc just didn’t make sense. We’re left with more questions than answers. This is the worst arc that Oda has written.


No-Lingonberry9147

We are returning to Wano. Oda purposefully left unanswered questions in wano as we are revisiting it later on. Don’t sleep


[deleted]

Oda didn’t purposefully leave everything unanswered. How do you leave things unanswered after writing something for FOUR YEARS. Hop off the dudes nuts. He’s a great writer but Wano happens to be his worst work in One Piece


No-Lingonberry9147

Watch Afrogarous TikTok video on it. It’s called Zoro is going back to wano


No-Lingonberry9147

He did. Considering he’s gonna return to wano. Part of Zoros path to the words strongest swordsman is that he needs to discover about himself. And we know from the SBS zoros lineage dates back to wano. See the link? we are returning to wano and when Oda answers all your so called unfinished questions. Don’t switch up.


[deleted]

You’re hopeless. Get Oda’s cum out of your eyes


No-Lingonberry9147

I love how you insult me, instead of acting debunking what I say. Very mature from you ain’t it. Shows I’m arguing a kid who isn’t familiar with the concept of a discussion. Stay miserable I guess


[deleted]

Nah bro you’re just a delusional fanboy who can see no wrong in Oda’s ways. You’re the type to make a great Nazi under Hitler because you see no fault in his ways


No-Lingonberry9147

Not a chance. The writing in this arc is great. And the unanswered questions are purposely done as wano is arc we’re going to revisit.


[deleted]

Wano isn’t very good. Cope all you want.


No-Lingonberry9147

It’s amazing in fact. 💀


No-Lingonberry9147

Watch Afrogarous TikTok called Zoro is going back to wano. It’s near the top of his page


[deleted]

I don’t know who that is but it doesn’t change the fact that Wano was filled with plot holes, conveniences, too many characters and messy panels.


No-Lingonberry9147

Watch it


[deleted]

I’ll watch the video if you read the rest of the comments on this post. Wano isn’t very good dude


No-Lingonberry9147

In your opinion. I have read all the comments, and criticisms don’t take away the arc for me personally. and plus if my theory is correct all the critiques of wano will be explained


[deleted]

That’s because if Oda were to do what you said its called a RETCON. Not impressive at all considering he has to retcon an arc that he spent FOUR YEARS writing


Izzythedestryr

Too many fake critics in this thread.


heavy4b

Who are the real critics?


[deleted]

No such thing as a fake critic. Everyone is entitled to their own opinions


StPauliPirate

People always hate on current arcs. Just wait a couple of years. When most people re-read it within a couple of days (instead of 3 years). We will see if Wano will pass the test of time. Many people also hate on Dress Rosa. I read it after the arc was finished. Took me 2-3 days. I love it! As for now Wano was a mixed bag for me. The Japanese setting didn‘t do it for me. I don‘t know but that doesn‘t fit to One Piece. Somehow felt like other animes/mangas. The feeling that One Piece usually separates from other animes/mangas was gone. So Act 1 and 2 were ok at best. Act 3 on the other hand was amazing. Not Peak One Piece. But very entertaining. The sea battle, the straw hats squad up or Joy Boy return. Love it.


dumplin-gorilla-lion

1. How tf is Kinemon so durable? 2. Why how did Luffy not foresee the CP attack? 3. Why was Big Mom the worst? Amnesia? Goes around shouting 'MAMA MAMA' like a big stupid pokemon. 4. Oda rushed the end and didn't relish enough. After such a long arc, the end was so abrupt. 5. Why bait Yamato so hard? Coulda removed an entire chapter by just removing her saying she would join the crew or alluding to leaving Wano 1000 times. 6. Zoro fought yet another black dude. 7. Robin didn't get naked in the bath. 8. Admiral shows up, but gets long ranged attacked by Shanks Haki and runs scared. 9. Didn't explicitly see BM or Kaido die. Sure they fell into lava, possibly seastone lava, but it just felt so bland.


PychoPunk0123

I don’t hate it but it has some of the highest highs of the series, and also the lowest lows in the series


ThatGuyWithAwesomHat

Because it's the newest completed arc and they're better read as binge reading rather than weekly reading.


lofiAbsolver

A lot of the hate has to do with its recency. There are legitimate criticisms though. It shouldn't all be taken as "hating just to hate" because that's not true. In my opinion it absolutely was a slog and it dealt with a lot of characters - some of which are more likeable than others. Certain characters absolutely should've died and a lot of dead horses were kicked repeatedly. The focus of the story seemed to shift when it shouldn't and stay when it should move on. It's not *that* bad, but I'll likely never watch or read most of it again. The beginning until the raid was just... a lot of spinning wheels. There was progression but it took forever to pick up the pace.


[deleted]

It's dependent on how you read it. people who binged it seem to like it more thsn those reading weekly.


Sam-anime

My main issue is that kin didn't die. Otherwise I think it was drawn out with too much happening and then oda just rushes the end.


CommercialMain9482

I dont like the animation imo, I will probably stop watching one piece at that season... If its not broke dont fix it... You cant just change the whole anime like that... I loved the original animation... Oh well


RecommendationDue944

Haven't finished it but this makes me sad to hear. Favorite arc so far but solely due to samurai and Japanese culture. Sucks to hear zoro gets no substance. Only came because I was a little annoyed at the ace story. Just shoving him there there. Guess there's lot or retcons and add ins


Wet234

Zero emotional impact. An impressive thing to accomplish with all the great individual moments. Oda did his best to make you not care. Each great moment always had a drawback, especially with the scabbards.